我们是地球上人口最多的国家,但在体育运动方面却举步维艰,我们该如何改善这种局面?
2024-08-11 兰陵笑笑生 7629
正文翻译
We are the largest population on planet earth yet we are struggling in athletic sport, how do we revive this situation?

我们是地球上人口最多的国家,但在体育运动方面却举步维艰,我们该如何重振这种局面?




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RagingCalmness
Ah yes the question that gets asked every 4 years. This is about my 4th or 5th anniversary of hearing this.

啊,又来了,每四年总会有人问这个问题。这是我听到这句话的第四或者五周年纪念日。

Bhoora-bhaalu
mai saare sports ko support karta hu (4 saal mai ek baar)

我支持所有运动的发展(4年一次)

ConstructionNew3640
Am I the only one who thinks Olympics is highly overrated. IOC is most corrupt and worst company in the world.

只有我一个人认为奥运会被高估了吗。国际奥委会是世界上最腐败、最糟糕的公司。
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Background_Pension95
Hopefully by 2036 we will not and Ahmedabad Olympics will have india in the top 3 medal tally

希望到 2036 年我们不会出现这样的情况,艾哈迈达巴德奥运会将使印度跻身奖牌榜前三名

oblivious_human
Make public spaces available for sports. Running, biking, soccer, do not need a lot of additional infrastructure. We can't even go for a proper jog in our cities.

让公共空间可供体育运动使用。跑步、骑自行车、踢足球,不需要很多额外的基础设施。我们甚至不能在城市里好好地慢跑。

No_Acanthisitta_7352
RIP footpaths.

安息吧人行道。

TheMailmanic
There is no pipeline and support for athletic development
Has to start at a very young age

我们没有运动发展的渠道和支持
必须从娃娃抓起

LagrangeMultiplier99
Playing the devil's advocate (which means I agree with your point), Ukraine is ravaged by a war and won 3 golds (11 total) while getting invaded, how does the (supposed) lack of support for athletic development still let them get medals?

唱个反调(这意味着我同意你的观点),乌克兰饱受战争蹂躏,在被入侵的情况下赢得了 3 枚金牌(总共 11 枚),缺乏(所谓的)对体育发展的支持,为什么他们能获得奖牌呢?

alitayy
The athletes were already developed before the war started

运动员在战争开始前就已经培养起来了

siddizie420
You think they trained their athletes in the past year and a half? Also you think all of Ukraine is at war? Ukraine is absolutely massive and large parts of it are unaffected by the war.

你以为运动员都是在过去的一年半里训练的吗?或者你以为整个乌克兰都处于战争状态吗?乌克兰领土挺大的,大部分地区都没有受到战争的影响。

Initial-Captain5099
This! Most of my colleagues at work are Ukrainian and they are huge in comparison to me. Most are 6 feet tall and consume a lot more meat per meal per day than I can in a day. Our population is huge but our nutritional development is far far behind any developed nation.

加一!我工作的大部分同事都是乌克兰人,与我相比,他们个头都很大。他们大多身高 6 英尺,每天每餐吃的肉比我一天吃的肉多得多。我国人口众多,但营养发展却远远落后于任何发达国家。

Not-a-Prick
That’s not very true. We can see sports encouragement and support at a young age.
This is a genetic problem resulting from caste marriages and poor diet. Even Indians who are citizens of other countries are absent in their respective countries sports.

事实并非如此。我们从小就能看到体育方面的鼓励和支持。
这是种姓婚姻和不良饮食习惯造成的遗传问题。即使是身为其他国家公民的印度人,也没有参加各自国家的体育运动。

random666612
not letting maths teacher take sports period should be the first step

第一步,不要让数学老师上体育课

xtermist
I think it has to do more with boomer parents not having an open mind about sports at basic level let alone thinking about pursuing it as a career. The mindset of sports can not make you a living due to lack of funding, resources, mentorship, professional training plus MONEY was not enough already then comes JEE & NEET aspirations not taking into consideration about the interest of teenager from a middle class family into sports (basic badminton, swimming, skating, running, volleyball etc). Which then results into most of the people between 25-35 not being physically fit to even run, jump, climb, stretch.

我认为,这与潮一代的父母对基础体育运动缺乏开放的心态有很大关系,更不用说考虑将其作为职业了。跟别说由于缺乏资金、资源、指导、专业培训和金钱,体育不能让你谋生这种心态了,然后是对 JEE 和 NEET 的渴望,而没有考虑到来自中产阶级家庭的青少年对体育(基本的羽毛球、游泳、滑冰、跑步、排球等)的兴趣。这就导致大多数 25-35 岁的人身体状况不佳,甚至无法跑步、跳跃、攀爬和伸展。

JungleBoi1
I think it depends if the family you're born in is looking to survive or thrive. What you're talking about is a very deep rooted issue. Javelin can't pay the bills, unless you reach that level. I guess we get so caught up in trying to simply survive that the concept of living ceases to exist.

我认为这取决于你出生的家庭是为了生存还是为了发展。你所说的是一个根深蒂固的问题。标枪无法支付家庭账单,除非你达到那个水平。我想,我们太注重于生存,以至于生活的概念不复存在。

Emergency-Rain-2308
More about schools not supporting sports from ground level. Almost every school in western countries have high end sports facilities and clubs. They start teaching them at young age. For eg schools have wrestling tournaments at yound age.

更多的是学校没有从根本上支持体育运动。在西方国家,几乎每所学校都有高端的体育设施和俱乐部。他们从小就开始教授体育运动。例如,学校在学生很小的时候就举办摔跤比赛。

Antique-Trouble2761
Brother , we just don't have the money to afford sports.
Our sports will have a bull run if and only if India as a whole has a bull run.
We have far worse to deal in education than sports, we are unemployable.

兄弟,我们单纯就是没钱搞体育。
只有当整个印度蓬勃发展时,我们的体育事业才会蓬勃发展。
我们的教育比体育糟糕得多,我们失业问题很严重。

NerdWithoutGlasses_
Agreed we just don't have a culture of promoting sports
I don't blame our parents, look at neeraj chopra the guy had to become like world No.1 for Indians to take notice. Until then what do you do ?
You can be an average engineer or whatever & support you family, you can't be an average/above average player & support your family
Everyone only tunes into olympics. Let alone national championships, when was the last time anyone watched boxing, or wrestling or track world championships? How're these people supposed to make money if a nation is entirely uninterested ? Not everything can be about govt should support xyz
Every stupid thing goes viral on social media like what uorfi javed wore or what ranbir kapoor said to his wife, i have never seen a single post saying tune in to watch xyz playing world championships. News like this is just buried away in some corner in the newspaper at best.
At least private schools are now focusing a lot on "facilities". But sports also needs guidance, idk but all my PT teachers were pot bellied men who refused to move let alone do anything else.
A lot of families are not comfortable with sending girls away for competitions/trainings (this what happened to my mum who used to play at district level but then wasn't allowed to travel). While yes it is a dated concept, but when you have people like brij Bhushan i cannot dismiss a parents concern.

同意,我们就是没有推广体育的文化
1. 我不怪我们的父母,看看尼拉杰-乔普拉,他必须成为世界第一,印度人才会注意到他。在那之前你能做什么?
2. 你可以作为一名普通的工程师或其他什么人并养家糊口,但你不能作为一名普通或高于普通水平的运动员并养家糊口。
3. 每个人都只关注奥运会。不说全国锦标赛,上次有人看拳击、摔跤或田径世锦赛是什么时候?如果全国人民都不感兴趣,这些人怎么赚钱?并非所有事情都是政府应该支持 xyz
4. 每件蠢事都会在社交媒体上疯传,比如乌尔菲-贾维德穿了什么,兰比尔-卡普尔对他妻子说了什么,但我从未见过一篇帖子说要收看 xyz 的世锦赛比赛。这样的新闻充其量只会被埋没在报纸的某个角落里。
5. 至少私立学校现在非常注重“设施”。但体育也需要指导,我的体育老师都是大腹便便的家伙,他们拒绝移动,更别说做其他事情了。
6. 很多家庭都不愿意送女孩去外地参加比赛/训练(我妈妈就遇到过这种情况,她曾经参加过地区级的比赛,但后来就不被允许去外地了)。是的,这是一个过时的概念,但当你拥有像 brij Bhushan (性骚扰女运动员)这样的人时,我就不能不考虑父母的担忧了。

prashant90k
Every point you made is spot on.
And it's very interesting to know that in the US and Europe most of the athletes have regular jobs and raise the funds for their own training, when games are over they return to their regular 9 to 5. We think about sports as full time careers and if you fail to achieve a certain level that means poverty.

你说的每一点都很有道理。
有趣的是,在美国和欧洲,大多数运动员都有固定的工作,并为自己的训练筹集资金,比赛结束后,他们又回到朝九晚五的正常生活。我们认为体育是全职职业,如果你达不到一定水平,那就意味着贫穷。

NerdWithoutGlasses_
Yeah & winning doesn't get them crores like here. It's a very modest winning amount
But then again, atleast in Europe you work 30-35hrs weeks. Can't do that with the aspirational 70hr work week here in India lol

是的,获胜并不能像在这里那样给他们带来千万卢比。奖金数额非常小
但话又说回来,至少在欧洲你每周工作 30-35 小时。在印度,每周工作 70 小时是不可能让你去做到这一点的,哈哈

Ok-Pop-4687
Boomer is not a generation that fits india ! That’s a western terminology used around. Now as far as sports goes this current generation is no different. “Millennials” play cricket or football in these new synthetic courts to relive old days but still have same thought as parents, studies are still first. And that’s india in overall. We love education push as that guarantees scope for future income, sports do not ! And that’s the primary reason why we still don’t have a lot of kids in these streams even now. and we will continue to struggle and raise finger at cricket. I feel the biggest shift can only happen when schools try to mandate sports for all in a certain way which paves way for future scope. The comment above that not letting maths teacher take PT period is the best thing, we need to have that changed to see some change in long run

“婴儿潮一代”这种说法不适合印度!这是西方人的说法。就关于体育运动的看法而言,这一代人也不例外。“千禧一代”在新的人造球场上打板球或踢足球,重温旧日时光,但他们的想法仍与父辈相同,学习仍是第一位的。这就是印度的整体情况。我们热爱教育,因为它能保证未来的收入空间,而体育则不然!这就是为什么我们现在仍然没有很多孩子从事这些运动的主要原因。我们将继续沉沦,并对板球运动指手画脚。我认为,只有当学校尝试以某种方式强制要求所有人参加体育运动,并为未来的规划铺平道路时,才会发生最大的转变。上文提到,不让数学老师上体育课是最好的办法,我们需要改变这种做法,以便从长远来看看到一些变化。

Baron105
You think it makes sense for Indians parents to push their kids into sports in a developing country where there are so many things to deal with as it is? We as a nation cannot afford to look at sports as viable careers at this point in time not even taking into account the massive corruption, abuse, exploration going on in the sporting organisations.

你认为印度父母在一个有这么多事情需要处理的发展中国家去推动他们的孩子参加体育运动是有意义的吗?作为一个国家,我们目前无法将体育视为可行的职业,更别说考虑到体育组织中正在发生的大规模腐败、滥用职权和权力寻租了。

Chance_Midnight
The non-existent sports culture is to blame, authorities overlook the need for diverse sports facilities beyond cricket pitches. Clubs for other sports are scarce, as urban bodies fail to invest in and build infrastructure for children's play and socialization. Similarly, schools will expand their buildings to accommodate more students, yet they seldom invest in gymnasiums, playgrounds, courts, and sports events.

不存在的体育文化是罪魁祸首,当局忽视了板球场之外对多样化体育设施的需求。由于城市机构未能投资和建设儿童玩耍和社交的基础设施,其他体育运动的俱乐部很少。同样,学校会扩建校舍以容纳更多学生,但很少投资体育馆、操场、球场和体育赛事。

Yourwanker
That's a smart mindset to have. I'm in the US and 99.99% of people who play one of the 4 major sports here will never play at a professional level. There are parents in the US who are just as obsessed with their child becoming a professional sports player as Indian parents are obsessed with their child getting a good education and job. Those sports kids have a lot of issues when they grow up and a lot of them don't have an education to fall back on.

“有一种运动无法让你谋生的心态”
这是一种明智的心态。我在美国,99.99% 在美国从事四大运动之一的人永远不会成为职业运动员。在美国,有些家长一心想让自己的孩子成为职业运动员,就像印度家长一心想让自己的孩子接受良好的教育和工作一样。这些体育特长生长大后会遇到很多问题,他们中的很多人都没有接受过教育。

dei_poda_patti
Despite this, most Indians are still scientifically illiterate.

尽管如此,大多数印度人仍然是科学文盲。

Old_Acanthaceae5198
Your parents were right. Unless you were crushing every single opponent by multiple seconds you weren't going to make it past secondary school. People really have no idea of the send delta between student athletes and professionals. I won nearly every single wrestling match I had in school. Was 76-4. Won NJ states in my weight twice. Went to a D1 school. Bumped in my first quarter, was never going to be competitive.
Unless your coming from a well off family who can afford to have a non contributing financial family member sports are a stupid endeavor to go after.
And that last line, is why China and US win. Heavily subsidezed and a strong out growing middle class with money to spend.

你的父母是对的。除非你能以巨大优势碾压每一个对手,否则你是不可能过中学这一关的。大家真的不知道学生运动员和职业运动员之间的差距。我在学校几乎赢了每一场摔跤比赛。76 胜 4 负。两次赢得新泽西州的重量级比赛。上的是 D1 级别的学校。我在第一季度就被淘汰了,所以我永远不会有上国际舞台的机会。
除非你来自一个富裕的家庭,有能力负担一个没有经济贡献的家庭成员,否则体育就是一个愚蠢的追求。
这也是中国和美国胜出的原因。中美两国都有大量补贴,而且中产阶级日益壮大,有钱可花。

vgupta1192
Unless we develop sporting culture and have government initiatives so that parents gets motivated to send their kids into sports from starting, there is nothing you can do even if you cross 1000 crore population

除非我们发展体育文化,政府采取主动行动,让家长从一开始就有动力送孩子参加体育运动,否则,即使人口超过 1000 亿,你也无能为力。

shawnskyriver
The same thing happen in China every day.

“数学老师上体育课”
同样的事情每天都在中国发生。

Chance_Midnight
Huge step, schools charge hefty fees. Parents should demand or transfer their kids to schools with basic facilities like pool areas, badminton courts, table tennis, running fields, soccer ground gymnasiums, etc.

巨大的一步,学校收取高额费用。家长应要求或将孩子转入有游泳池、羽毛球场、乒乓球、跑道、足球场、体育馆等基本设施的学校。

1984-Present
Maybe have a contest for shitting everywhere

或许可以举办一场到处拉屎的比赛

Fit-Dependent-2030
Why this exact thing is so universal throughout india i mean it’s always the math teacher that hogs up the sports period

为什么这件事在印度如此普遍,我的意思是总是数学老师占据了体育课时间

ShooBum-T
Step 1 would be letting sports people lead the state's sport association, handle budget, etc. And not politicians be in those positions. They'll probably become corrupt as well, who knows.

第一步是让体育界人士领导邦体育协会,处理预算等事务。而不是让政客担任这些职务。他们可能也会变得腐败,谁知道呢。

Ginevod2023
That has been the case time and again, top sportspeople being corrupt or incompetent in administrative roles. Like Sourav Ganguly.

顶级运动员腐败或不能胜任行政职务的情况屡见不鲜。比如苏拉夫-甘古利。

case-o-nova
We should start finding the right talent from the school level itself. We don't have enough infrastructure in schools to let the kids play any game they want. The sports day should be a big event and the school to invest in finding good talent in different areas of the sport. After finding the right talent we should nurture them enough to make them olympic ready.

我们应该从学校开始寻找合适的人才。我们的学校没有足够的基础设施让孩子们玩任何他们想玩的游戏。运动会应该是一个大型活动,学校应投资寻找不同运动领域的优秀人才。在找到合适的人才后,我们应该对他们进行足够的培养,使他们为奥运会做好准备。

Impressive_Ad_3137
Give scholarships like they do at Stanford. A few of these gold medalists are Harvard graduates. Oxford always had a strong rowing team. The US basketball team has a strong presence across varsities.

像斯坦福大学一样提供奖学金。其中一些金牌获得者是哈佛大学毕业生。牛津一直有一支强大的赛艇队。美国篮球队在各个大学都有很强的影响力。

jxrha
The US college admissions gives equal weightage to academics and extracurriculars, including sports.
This allows students to pursue sports openly, unlike our education system which is focused solely on academics, making sports feel like a waste.
Students great in sports get scholarships, easy admissions, and top colleges have top trainers.

美国大学招生对学业和包括体育在内的课外活动给予同等重视。
这使得学生可以公开地追求体育运动,而不像我们的教育体系只注重学术,让人觉得体育是一种浪费。
体育优秀的学生可以获得奖学金,容易被录取,一流大学也有一流的教练。

hazareywalamunda
We're a poor nation and sports doesn't guarantee long term employment with regular salary.

我们是一个贫穷的国家,体育不能保证长期就业和固定工资。

inwarded_04
Our leaders are busy 69-ing the public (hence the ranking is fitting). Most of the sports funds go to building lavish facilities with preferred contractors instead of training, and enabling quotas
The talk about Indian families focus on education is a load of bullcrap. Look at China, their culture is just as competitive intellectually on education, and yet they are 50x better than India in sports

我们的领导人正忙于对公众进行“69”(因此这个排名很合适)。大部分体育资金都用于建造豪华设施,并优先使用承包商,而不是用于培训和配额。
关于印度家庭注重教育的说法是一派胡言。看看中国,他们的文化在重视教育方面同样具有竞争力,但在体育方面却比印度强 50 倍。

3amBliss
Nutrition plays a big role

营养起着很大的作用

volderin
India allocated more money to Gujarat and UP for Sports than Haryana n Manipur where we get the most medals from.
This favoritism by the govt for Double Engine states is annoying as fuck. At least it shouldn't be in areas which hinder India from rising at a global scale.

印度拨给古吉拉特邦和北方邦的体育经费比哈里亚纳邦和曼尼普尔邦还多,而我们的奖牌主要来自这两个邦。
政府对“双引擎”邦的偏袒令人恼火。至少在那些阻碍印度在全球范围内崛起的领域,不应该有这种偏袒。

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