一架俄罗斯SU57战机发射导弹，击落了一架俄罗斯S70隐形无人机，这是怎么回事
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@arduinoguru7233
S-70 had family you know.
你知道的，S-70是有“家人”的。
@arduinoguru7233
S-70 had family you know.
你知道的，S-70是有“家人”的。
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@M4DHUSKY
The S-70 refuses to provide wi-fi password to SU-57
S-70拒绝向SU-57提供Wi-Fi密码
The S-70 refuses to provide wi-fi password to SU-57
S-70拒绝向SU-57提供Wi-Fi密码
@kasmidjan
Thats accurate tho
确实如此
Thats accurate tho
确实如此
@noviceThelizard
the S-70 took too long to grab the beer for the SU-57
S-70拿啤酒给SU-57花了太长时间
the S-70 took too long to grab the beer for the SU-57
S-70拿啤酒给SU-57花了太长时间
@BeyondAldebaran
S-70 wanted the “Boeing employee” experience
S-70想要体验“波音员工”的待遇
S-70 wanted the “Boeing employee” experience
S-70想要体验“波音员工”的待遇
@ballerblocks
That sums up the Russo Ukrainian conflict....just kidding
这概括了俄乌冲突……开个玩笑
That sums up the Russo Ukrainian conflict....just kidding
这概括了俄乌冲突……开个玩笑
@thecyberdork776
'The Bluetooth device is ready to pair'
“蓝牙设备已准备好配对”
'The Bluetooth device is ready to pair'
“蓝牙设备已准备好配对”
@jakedee4117
Funny but possibly accurate.
有趣，但可能还真是如此。
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Funny but possibly accurate.
有趣，但可能还真是如此。
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@kell7195
It quiet likely is something as stupid as that
很有可能就是这么愚蠢的事情
It quiet likely is something as stupid as that
很有可能就是这么愚蠢的事情
@kell7195
Paired to the Patriot system instead
反而配对到了爱国者系统上
Paired to the Patriot system instead
反而配对到了爱国者系统上
@nsv8613
Correction: this was not an UMPK but an UMPB glide bomb. It is a more refined glide bomb that can be launched both from the air or from the ground by a Smerch, similar to how GBU-93 can be either dropped from a plane or launched by a HIMARS as GLSDB. UMPK, for those who aren't familiar, is a more rag-tag glide kit made to upgrade Russia's stocks of old FAB series of aircraft bombs into glide bombs.
更正：这不是UMPK，而是UMPB滑翔炸弹。这是一种更精细的滑翔炸弹，可以从空中或通过龙卷风发射，类似于GBU-93可以从飞机上投放或通过海玛斯以空射方式发射。对于不熟悉的人来说，UMPK是用来将俄罗斯的旧FAB系列航空炸弹改装为滑翔炸弹的简易套件。
Correction: this was not an UMPK but an UMPB glide bomb. It is a more refined glide bomb that can be launched both from the air or from the ground by a Smerch, similar to how GBU-93 can be either dropped from a plane or launched by a HIMARS as GLSDB. UMPK, for those who aren't familiar, is a more rag-tag glide kit made to upgrade Russia's stocks of old FAB series of aircraft bombs into glide bombs.
更正：这不是UMPK，而是UMPB滑翔炸弹。这是一种更精细的滑翔炸弹，可以从空中或通过龙卷风发射，类似于GBU-93可以从飞机上投放或通过海玛斯以空射方式发射。对于不熟悉的人来说，UMPK是用来将俄罗斯的旧FAB系列航空炸弹改装为滑翔炸弹的简易套件。
@Millennium7HistoryTech
Yes, my mistake
是的，我的错误
Yes, my mistake
是的，我的错误
@Archer89201
S-70 is a new weapon system undergoing combat tests, it failing and being shot down by the Su-57 from being found intact is actually a decent outcome for the Russians. I'd say it is much better outcome than having your brand new stealth drone captured by Iran fully intact like the RQ-170 for US
S-70是一种正在进行战斗测试的新武器系统，被Su-57击落而没有完全损毁对于俄罗斯来说已经是一个不错的结果。我认为这比美国全新的隐形无人机RQ-170被伊朗完整捕获要好得多。
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S-70 is a new weapon system undergoing combat tests, it failing and being shot down by the Su-57 from being found intact is actually a decent outcome for the Russians. I'd say it is much better outcome than having your brand new stealth drone captured by Iran fully intact like the RQ-170 for US
S-70是一种正在进行战斗测试的新武器系统，被Su-57击落而没有完全损毁对于俄罗斯来说已经是一个不错的结果。我认为这比美国全新的隐形无人机RQ-170被伊朗完整捕获要好得多。
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@RustedCroaker
This unfortunate event for Russia disapproved some myths around the Su-57 and the S-70.
1. They both aren't mockups, in active production and being used in the combat zone;
2. They both are stealth enough to be unchallenged right over the frontline even at high altitude.
对于俄罗斯来说，这次不幸的事件打破了一些关于Su-57和S-70的谣言。
1. 它们都不是模型，正在积极生产并在战区使用；
2. 它们的隐形性能足够好，即使在高空飞越前线也不受挑战。
This unfortunate event for Russia disapproved some myths around the Su-57 and the S-70.
1. They both aren't mockups, in active production and being used in the combat zone;
2. They both are stealth enough to be unchallenged right over the frontline even at high altitude.
对于俄罗斯来说，这次不幸的事件打破了一些关于Su-57和S-70的谣言。
1. 它们都不是模型，正在积极生产并在战区使用；
2. 它们的隐形性能足够好，即使在高空飞越前线也不受挑战。
@voidtempering8700
The S-70 isn't in active production though. There are thought to be two models that have been built so far.
不过，S-70还没有进入批量生产阶段。目前估计只有两个型号。
The S-70 isn't in active production though. There are thought to be two models that have been built so far.
不过，S-70还没有进入批量生产阶段。目前估计只有两个型号。
@nickbrough8335
There are less than 10 production design Su-57 built and in service. There is no particular reason to think Israel is currently doing anything but track Russian aircraft based in Syria. They are not combatants in Lebanon.
Su-57的生产型数量不到10架，并已投入使用。目前没有特别的理由认为以色列除了跟踪驻扎在叙利亚的俄罗斯飞机外，还会在黎巴嫩参与战斗。
There are less than 10 production design Su-57 built and in service. There is no particular reason to think Israel is currently doing anything but track Russian aircraft based in Syria. They are not combatants in Lebanon.
Su-57的生产型数量不到10架，并已投入使用。目前没有特别的理由认为以色列除了跟踪驻扎在叙利亚的俄罗斯飞机外，还会在黎巴嫩参与战斗。
@scottstewart5784
When did Russia perfect their advanced stealth rivet tech? Cause there are a lot of rivets on the S-70. Those, and the naked nozzle - not so much stealth.
俄罗斯什么时候完善了他们的高级隐形铆钉技术？因为S-70上有很多铆钉。而且还有裸露的喷嘴——这可不怎么隐形。
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When did Russia perfect their advanced stealth rivet tech? Cause there are a lot of rivets on the S-70. Those, and the naked nozzle - not so much stealth.
俄罗斯什么时候完善了他们的高级隐形铆钉技术？因为S-70上有很多铆钉。而且还有裸露的喷嘴——这可不怎么隐形。
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@DIREWOLFx75
"There are thought to be two models that have been built so far."
This is definitely incorrect. There's reports that the day this one was lost, Russia was flying THREE of them. There's also multiple sources stating that at least 4 serial production S70s have been produced, along with at least 2 or 3 prototypes.
“目前估计只有两个型号。” 这肯定是不正确的。有报道称，在这架飞机失踪的当天，俄罗斯正在飞行三架。此外，还有多个消息来源称至少有4架量产型S-70和至少2到3个原型机已经生产出来。
"There are thought to be two models that have been built so far."
This is definitely incorrect. There's reports that the day this one was lost, Russia was flying THREE of them. There's also multiple sources stating that at least 4 serial production S70s have been produced, along with at least 2 or 3 prototypes.
“目前估计只有两个型号。” 这肯定是不正确的。有报道称，在这架飞机失踪的当天，俄罗斯正在飞行三架。此外，还有多个消息来源称至少有4架量产型S-70和至少2到3个原型机已经生产出来。
@joaomiguelmoreira6363
small details such as rivets don't really matter at range as long as the surface features are smaller than the radar wavelength they won't have any effect on stealth. Also there are multiple pictures of the second airfrx with a flat nozzle and fewer fuselage protrusions.
像铆钉这样的细节在远距离情况下并不重要，只要表面特征小于雷达波长，它们对隐形没有影响。此外，有多张第二架飞机的照片显示其配备了平坦的喷嘴和较少的机身突起。
small details such as rivets don't really matter at range as long as the surface features are smaller than the radar wavelength they won't have any effect on stealth. Also there are multiple pictures of the second airfrx with a flat nozzle and fewer fuselage protrusions.
像铆钉这样的细节在远距离情况下并不重要，只要表面特征小于雷达波长，它们对隐形没有影响。此外，有多张第二架飞机的照片显示其配备了平坦的喷嘴和较少的机身突起。
@ГеоргийМурзич
"There are less than 10 production design Su-57 built and in service."
There were 21 of them last year....
“生产型的Su-57不到10架并已服役。” 去年有21架……
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"There are less than 10 production design Su-57 built and in service."
There were 21 of them last year....
“生产型的Su-57不到10架并已服役。” 去年有21架……
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@nickbrough8335
i think you're including the 9 (or more) pre-production models, Which are unlikely to reflect the capabilities or be fully equipment of the final production design.
我认为你算上了9架（或更多）预生产型号，它们不太可能反映最终生产型的全部能力或配置。
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i think you're including the 9 (or more) pre-production models, Which are unlikely to reflect the capabilities or be fully equipment of the final production design.
我认为你算上了9架（或更多）预生产型号，它们不太可能反映最终生产型的全部能力或配置。
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@ГеоргийМурзич
No I'm not. If we count those it'll be 31
没有，我没有算。如果算上那些，总数是31架。
No I'm not. If we count those it'll be 31
没有，我没有算。如果算上那些，总数是31架。
@voidtempering8700
The S-70 has only been in serial production for a few months, and since they haven't published any information for a new batch of S-70s like they did for the Su-57s, it is unlikely they have more than the two prototypes.
S-70仅进入量产几个月，且他们没有像对待Su-57那样发布任何新一批S-70的信息，所以不太可能有超过两个原型机。
The S-70 has only been in serial production for a few months, and since they haven't published any information for a new batch of S-70s like they did for the Su-57s, it is unlikely they have more than the two prototypes.
S-70仅进入量产几个月，且他们没有像对待Su-57那样发布任何新一批S-70的信息，所以不太可能有超过两个原型机。
@RealityCheck6969
If you would have the capability to track a Russian stealth plane you would not want to tell others. Let Russia think they have an advantage.
如果你有能力跟踪一架俄罗斯的隐形飞机，你不会想告诉别人。让俄罗斯以为他们有优势吧。
If you would have the capability to track a Russian stealth plane you would not want to tell others. Let Russia think they have an advantage.
如果你有能力跟踪一架俄罗斯的隐形飞机，你不会想告诉别人。让俄罗斯以为他们有优势吧。
@fatechance4013
Russia have 4 S-70 prototypes and they're not in serial production just yet but based on information they're in final stage before entering serial production.
俄罗斯有4架S-70原型机，尚未进入量产阶段，但根据信息显示，它们处于进入量产前的最后阶段。
Russia have 4 S-70 prototypes and they're not in serial production just yet but based on information they're in final stage before entering serial production.
俄罗斯有4架S-70原型机，尚未进入量产阶段，但根据信息显示，它们处于进入量产前的最后阶段。
@voidtempering8700
I haven't found anything about 2 more S-70 prototypes. I thought they entered serial production in July? They said that they would begin serial production in the latter half of 2024.
我没有找到关于另外2架S-70原型机的消息。我以为它们在7月进入量产？他们说会在2024年下半年开始量产。
I haven't found anything about 2 more S-70 prototypes. I thought they entered serial production in July? They said that they would begin serial production in the latter half of 2024.
我没有找到关于另外2架S-70原型机的消息。我以为它们在7月进入量产？他们说会在2024年下半年开始量产。
@Rek1emMScar
nozzle don't matter unless you want to waste a missile on a plane that is already going Cold. F-22 fly around Full of rivet tech.. And even cracked fuselage.. What the point on always copium on some bs?
喷嘴并不重要，除非你想把导弹浪费在已经脱离目标的飞机上。F-22满是铆钉技术，甚至还有裂缝的机身。总是抓住这些无意义的东西不放有什么意义？
nozzle don't matter unless you want to waste a missile on a plane that is already going Cold. F-22 fly around Full of rivet tech.. And even cracked fuselage.. What the point on always copium on some bs?
喷嘴并不重要，除非你想把导弹浪费在已经脱离目标的飞机上。F-22满是铆钉技术，甚至还有裂缝的机身。总是抓住这些无意义的东西不放有什么意义？
@damonburroughs5283
I hate that childish copium statement that sounds like some teenage stoner.
First, if they could be tracked no one is likely to say.
Second, they were just over the frontline, most Ukrainian air defenses have been moved back from there for obvious reasons.
Third, you can see the interceptor that may not be the SU57 as it's all guesswork, turned and ran pretty quickly.
Fourth, it was obviously video'd, a video we most likely would not have seen if not for this incident.
Fifth, you see no other contrails so it wasn't operated in a group.
And finally, we know there are no Russian jets flying in Ukrainian airspace with impunity otherwise they would not be using glide bombs from beyond the front lines and missiles, they would have used strategic bomb strikes by now if they could.
我讨厌那种幼稚的说法，听起来像是某个青少年迷幻药者的言论。
首先，如果他们能够被追踪到，没有人可能会透露出来。
其次，他们当时就在前线上方，大部分乌克兰的防空系统因明显原因已经撤离。
第三，你可以看到拦截机，这可能不是SU57，因为这些都是猜测，而且它很快就掉头离开了。
第四，很显然是被拍到的视频，如果不是因为这次事件，我们很可能不会看到这个视频。
第五，你没有看到其他的尾迹，所以它并没有组队飞行。
最后，我们知道没有俄罗斯飞机可以在乌克兰领空为所欲为，否则他们就不会在前线之外使用滑翔炸弹和导弹了，如果可能的话，他们早就使用战略轰炸了。
I hate that childish copium statement that sounds like some teenage stoner.
First, if they could be tracked no one is likely to say.
Second, they were just over the frontline, most Ukrainian air defenses have been moved back from there for obvious reasons.
Third, you can see the interceptor that may not be the SU57 as it's all guesswork, turned and ran pretty quickly.
Fourth, it was obviously video'd, a video we most likely would not have seen if not for this incident.
Fifth, you see no other contrails so it wasn't operated in a group.
And finally, we know there are no Russian jets flying in Ukrainian airspace with impunity otherwise they would not be using glide bombs from beyond the front lines and missiles, they would have used strategic bomb strikes by now if they could.
我讨厌那种幼稚的说法，听起来像是某个青少年迷幻药者的言论。
首先，如果他们能够被追踪到，没有人可能会透露出来。
其次，他们当时就在前线上方，大部分乌克兰的防空系统因明显原因已经撤离。
第三，你可以看到拦截机，这可能不是SU57，因为这些都是猜测，而且它很快就掉头离开了。
第四，很显然是被拍到的视频，如果不是因为这次事件，我们很可能不会看到这个视频。
第五，你没有看到其他的尾迹，所以它并没有组队飞行。
最后，我们知道没有俄罗斯飞机可以在乌克兰领空为所欲为，否则他们就不会在前线之外使用滑翔炸弹和导弹了，如果可能的话，他们早就使用战略轰炸了。
@urosjovanovic3142
Hiw did you manage to make that conclusion number 2???
你是怎么得出第二个结论的？？？
Hiw did you manage to make that conclusion number 2???
你是怎么得出第二个结论的？？？
@Rek1emMScar
the whole front is infested with Western AA. Since last year Ukraine has moved a lot of its AA system from city to the front. That’s why this year Russia lost a lot of Su-34. And you have videos like the last month of a Su-34 evading a lot of Patriot missiles.
And if that wasn't enough proof just yesterday a whole Patriot battery was destroyed near the incident by Iskandar missile.
整个前线布满了西方的防空系统。自去年以来，乌克兰已经将很多防空系统从城市移到了前线。这就是为什么今年俄罗斯损失了很多Su-34。你还能看到上个月一架Su-34躲避大量爱国者导弹的视频。如果这还不足以证明，昨天就在事故附近，一整个爱国者发射阵地被伊斯坎德尔导弹摧毁。
the whole front is infested with Western AA. Since last year Ukraine has moved a lot of its AA system from city to the front. That’s why this year Russia lost a lot of Su-34. And you have videos like the last month of a Su-34 evading a lot of Patriot missiles.
And if that wasn't enough proof just yesterday a whole Patriot battery was destroyed near the incident by Iskandar missile.
整个前线布满了西方的防空系统。自去年以来，乌克兰已经将很多防空系统从城市移到了前线。这就是为什么今年俄罗斯损失了很多Su-34。你还能看到上个月一架Su-34躲避大量爱国者导弹的视频。如果这还不足以证明，昨天就在事故附近，一整个爱国者发射阵地被伊斯坎德尔导弹摧毁。
@Micks63
To my knowledge there are 20 serial SU-57 built + or - some
据我所知，大约有20架量产型SU-57，可能会多或少几架
To my knowledge there are 20 serial SU-57 built + or - some
据我所知，大约有20架量产型SU-57，可能会多或少几架
@nickbrough8335
From what I recall airfrxs 1 to 9 were preproduction, 10 (first production) crashed leaving airfrx 11 onwards as (early) production models. I think 7 to 9 (plus 11) were the three deployed to Syria first time round a couple of years ago now.
据我回忆，机体1到9是预生产型，10号（第一架生产型）坠毁，11号及以后的机体属于早期生产型号。我认为7到9号（加上11号）是几年前首次部署到叙利亚的三架飞机。
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From what I recall airfrxs 1 to 9 were preproduction, 10 (first production) crashed leaving airfrx 11 onwards as (early) production models. I think 7 to 9 (plus 11) were the three deployed to Syria first time round a couple of years ago now.
据我回忆，机体1到9是预生产型，10号（第一架生产型）坠毁，11号及以后的机体属于早期生产型号。我认为7到9号（加上11号）是几年前首次部署到叙利亚的三架飞机。
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@bertiesworld
In reality there is no such thing as a stealth aircraft. You just need the right technology / gear to detect it.
实际上，没有什么真正的隐形飞机。你只需要合适的技术/设备就能检测到它。
In reality there is no such thing as a stealth aircraft. You just need the right technology / gear to detect it.
实际上，没有什么真正的隐形飞机。你只需要合适的技术/设备就能检测到它。
@mike4769
Another myth pushed by Russia and China that "stealth is useless because we can detect stealth" was also busted. Russia and China continue to pursue stealth while trying to play down its advantages.
另一个由俄罗斯和中国推动的“隐形无用论，因为我们能探测到隐形”也被揭穿了。俄罗斯和中国继续追求隐形技术，同时试图淡化其优势。
Another myth pushed by Russia and China that "stealth is useless because we can detect stealth" was also busted. Russia and China continue to pursue stealth while trying to play down its advantages.
另一个由俄罗斯和中国推动的“隐形无用论，因为我们能探测到隐形”也被揭穿了。俄罗斯和中国继续追求隐形技术，同时试图淡化其优势。
@Shadowboost
that is incorrect. They matter more when they are smaller than the wavelength.
那是不对的。当它们比波长小的时候，影响更大。
that is incorrect. They matter more when they are smaller than the wavelength.
那是不对的。当它们比波长小的时候，影响更大。
@Shadowboost
lol no. At least their fasteners are flush
哈哈，不是的。至少它们的紧固件是齐平的。
lol no. At least their fasteners are flush
哈哈，不是的。至少它们的紧固件是齐平的。
@veniceisnice
It just showed their drones are bugged and aren't stealthy
这只是表明他们的无人机有问题，并且不具备隐形能力
It just showed their drones are bugged and aren't stealthy
这只是表明他们的无人机有问题，并且不具备隐形能力
@scottstewart5784
True, and who would be able to test their own detection systems against state of the art stealth for the last 40+ years?
确实如此，那么过去40多年里，谁能够用最先进的隐形技术来测试他们自己的检测系统呢？
True, and who would be able to test their own detection systems against state of the art stealth for the last 40+ years?
确实如此，那么过去40多年里，谁能够用最先进的隐形技术来测试他们自己的检测系统呢？
@lqr824
Su-57 engines aren't even available yet. There are zero production Su-57s so far. My understanding is the govt instructed the govt-owned manufacturer to not bother even making any more airfrxs as the engines aren't available and I guess won't be soon.
Su-57的发动机还没准备好。目前还没有生产型的Su-57。据我所知，政府指示国有制造商不要再制造任何机体，因为发动机还没到位，我猜想短期内也不会有。
Su-57 engines aren't even available yet. There are zero production Su-57s so far. My understanding is the govt instructed the govt-owned manufacturer to not bother even making any more airfrxs as the engines aren't available and I guess won't be soon.
Su-57的发动机还没准备好。目前还没有生产型的Su-57。据我所知，政府指示国有制造商不要再制造任何机体，因为发动机还没到位，我猜想短期内也不会有。
@lqr824
Su-57 engines aren't even available yet. There are zero ACTUAL production Su-57s so far. My understanding is the govt instructed the manufacturer not to even bother making any more for that reason. I'm also curious how we could determine that the electronics and comms and software in them is finished yet? The Russian govt announced that stuff was finished and working and we believe that? Or has there been some independent confirmation?
Su-57的发动机还没有准备好。目前还没有任何真正的生产型Su-57。我的理解是，政府指示制造商出于这个原因不要再制造更多。我也好奇我们如何确定它们的电子设备、通讯和软件已经完成了？俄罗斯政府宣布这些已经完成并能正常工作，我们就相信了吗？还是有独立的确认？
Su-57 engines aren't even available yet. There are zero ACTUAL production Su-57s so far. My understanding is the govt instructed the manufacturer not to even bother making any more for that reason. I'm also curious how we could determine that the electronics and comms and software in them is finished yet? The Russian govt announced that stuff was finished and working and we believe that? Or has there been some independent confirmation?
Su-57的发动机还没有准备好。目前还没有任何真正的生产型Su-57。我的理解是，政府指示制造商出于这个原因不要再制造更多。我也好奇我们如何确定它们的电子设备、通讯和软件已经完成了？俄罗斯政府宣布这些已经完成并能正常工作，我们就相信了吗？还是有独立的确认？
@nickbrough8335
OK.
好的。
OK.
好的。
@ailinofaolin8897
The 4th prototype is the agreed on production variant it's fully weapons capable, has aerodynamic refinements and a flat nozzle exhaust, the one downed over Ukraine was the first prototype that was tested in Syria.
第4架原型机是商定的生产版本，具备完整的武器能力，进行了空气动力学改进并配有平坦的喷嘴排气装置，在乌克兰被击落的那架是第一个在叙利亚测试的原型机。
The 4th prototype is the agreed on production variant it's fully weapons capable, has aerodynamic refinements and a flat nozzle exhaust, the one downed over Ukraine was the first prototype that was tested in Syria.
第4架原型机是商定的生产版本，具备完整的武器能力，进行了空气动力学改进并配有平坦的喷嘴排气装置，在乌克兰被击落的那架是第一个在叙利亚测试的原型机。
@ailinofaolin8897
The Russian S400s in Syria have been signature mapping Israeli F35s for years, now Iran has S400s and likely that database as well.
驻叙利亚的俄罗斯S400多年来一直在进行以色列F35的信号特征捕捉，现在伊朗也拥有S400，很可能也有这个数据库。
The Russian S400s in Syria have been signature mapping Israeli F35s for years, now Iran has S400s and likely that database as well.
驻叙利亚的俄罗斯S400多年来一直在进行以色列F35的信号特征捕捉，现在伊朗也拥有S400，很可能也有这个数据库。
@rajaydon1893
those are the production models they typically have double digit markings or none at all except for the red star
那些是生产型，通常有两位数的标记，或者除了红星之外没有任何标记
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those are the production models they typically have double digit markings or none at all except for the red star
那些是生产型，通常有两位数的标记，或者除了红星之外没有任何标记
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@lqr824
How do you know? Russia said so and you believe that? Or do we have some independent confirmation, even such as them flying a successful mission?
你怎么知道的？俄罗斯这么说你就相信了吗？还是我们有一些独立的确认，甚至是他们执行了一次成功的任务？
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How do you know? Russia said so and you believe that? Or do we have some independent confirmation, even such as them flying a successful mission?
你怎么知道的？俄罗斯这么说你就相信了吗？还是我们有一些独立的确认，甚至是他们执行了一次成功的任务？
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@olisk-jy9rz
Because it's not meant to be full stealth? Try to keep up with the basic facts, at least.
因为它本来就不是为了完全隐形？至少试着跟上基本事实。
Because it's not meant to be full stealth? Try to keep up with the basic facts, at least.
因为它本来就不是为了完全隐形？至少试着跟上基本事实。
@RealityCheck6969
They're NOT stealth planes. I know you're obsessed with stealth since it's literally the last straw you can grasp at, but the soviet unx literally invented and perfected stealth technologies, and immediately abandoned them because they realized even back then it was a road that lead nowhere against advanced radar technology.
And indeed stealth limitation was proven when a '60s radar was able to successfully lock a '70s anti air missile on what at the time was the non plus ultra of stealth technology, the F17, over Serbia's skies in the 90s and destroy it.
And that was radar tech 2 decades older than the plane. No plane is stealth today, not against modern radars.
它们不是隐形飞机。我知道你痴迷于隐形技术，因为这几乎是你能抓住的最后一根稻草，但苏联实际上发明并完善了隐形技术，然后立即放弃了，因为他们当时就意识到这在对抗先进雷达技术时是走不通的。确实，隐形的局限性得到了验证，当时一部60年代的雷达能够成功锁定一枚70年代的防空导弹，并在90年代的塞尔维亚上空击落了当时顶级的隐形技术飞机F117。而且那时的雷达技术比飞机要早20年。今天没有飞机能在现代雷达面前隐形。
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They're NOT stealth planes. I know you're obsessed with stealth since it's literally the last straw you can grasp at, but the soviet unx literally invented and perfected stealth technologies, and immediately abandoned them because they realized even back then it was a road that lead nowhere against advanced radar technology.
And indeed stealth limitation was proven when a '60s radar was able to successfully lock a '70s anti air missile on what at the time was the non plus ultra of stealth technology, the F17, over Serbia's skies in the 90s and destroy it.
And that was radar tech 2 decades older than the plane. No plane is stealth today, not against modern radars.
它们不是隐形飞机。我知道你痴迷于隐形技术，因为这几乎是你能抓住的最后一根稻草，但苏联实际上发明并完善了隐形技术，然后立即放弃了，因为他们当时就意识到这在对抗先进雷达技术时是走不通的。确实，隐形的局限性得到了验证，当时一部60年代的雷达能够成功锁定一枚70年代的防空导弹，并在90年代的塞尔维亚上空击落了当时顶级的隐形技术飞机F117。而且那时的雷达技术比飞机要早20年。今天没有飞机能在现代雷达面前隐形。
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@nickbrough8335
i believe they fly low within the valleys when they don't have the radar return booster on.
我认为他们在没有打开雷达回波放大器时会在山谷中低空飞行。
i believe they fly low within the valleys when they don't have the radar return booster on.
我认为他们在没有打开雷达回波放大器时会在山谷中低空飞行。
@true_xander
Maybe this is indeed a pre-production series of combat approval tests?
也许这确实是一系列预生产机型的战斗审核测试？
Maybe this is indeed a pre-production series of combat approval tests?
也许这确实是一系列预生产机型的战斗审核测试？
@556m4
I love the fantasy that Soviet fanboys come up with to try and make up the gap in their mind. Taking the fact that an early paper on the concept of stealth was published by a Soviet scientist somehow proves that Soviets perfected stealth technologies is a complete fabrication and if you didn’t already know that then I’ll be the one to tell you.
我喜欢那些苏联粉丝编出来的幻想，试图弥补他们心中的差距。把一篇关于隐形概念的早期论文发表在苏联科学家的名下当成苏联完善了隐形技术的证明，这完全是杜撰出来的，如果你还不知道的话，我来告诉你吧。
I love the fantasy that Soviet fanboys come up with to try and make up the gap in their mind. Taking the fact that an early paper on the concept of stealth was published by a Soviet scientist somehow proves that Soviets perfected stealth technologies is a complete fabrication and if you didn’t already know that then I’ll be the one to tell you.
我喜欢那些苏联粉丝编出来的幻想，试图弥补他们心中的差距。把一篇关于隐形概念的早期论文发表在苏联科学家的名下当成苏联完善了隐形技术的证明，这完全是杜撰出来的，如果你还不知道的话，我来告诉你吧。
@tomte47
Entered Europe and got overwhelmed by GDPR notifications..
进入欧洲后就被导锁定警告通知淹没了。
Entered Europe and got overwhelmed by GDPR notifications..
进入欧洲后就被导锁定警告通知淹没了。
@koskok2965
Ukraine is no more Europe than European Russia, but still... LMao.
乌克兰和欧洲俄罗斯没什么不同，但还是……笑死我了。
Ukraine is no more Europe than European Russia, but still... LMao.
乌克兰和欧洲俄罗斯没什么不同，但还是……笑死我了。
@jawadkazmi5327
Good place to get a fair assessment. Quality level-headed information as always
这是个获得公正评估的好地方。信息始终保持高质量和冷静。
Good place to get a fair assessment. Quality level-headed information as always
这是个获得公正评估的好地方。信息始终保持高质量和冷静。
@Dazzxp
I think it's pretty simple really, ground control lost control of the drone and the SU57 wasn't able to hook up to it. and to make sure it does not end up in the wrong hands intact they chose to destroy it leaving little left to salvage and study. It would make sense if the buffer is full that no further commands could be queued/controlled and would not be able to return to point of destination to land either. So most likely a software bug, must be using Windows 11
Look at the F35 that is riddled with bugs in the software grounding the planes a number of times for months at a time. Software is becoming more and more complex and tightening security against exploits that could be used but in turn making it harder to bypass if you encounter a bug.
我认为这很简单，地面控制失去了对无人机的控制，而SU57也无法与其对接。为了确保它不会完好无损地落入敌手，他们选择摧毁它，只留下一些残骸可供打捞和研究。如果缓冲区已满，无法执行进一步的命令，并且也无法返回目的地降落，这就说得通了。
所以很可能是软件漏洞，肯定是在用Windows 11。看看F35，它的软件漏洞使飞机数月内多次停飞。软件变得越来越复杂，并加强了对可能被利用的漏洞的安全防护，但这反而使得在遇到漏洞时更难以绕过。
I think it's pretty simple really, ground control lost control of the drone and the SU57 wasn't able to hook up to it. and to make sure it does not end up in the wrong hands intact they chose to destroy it leaving little left to salvage and study. It would make sense if the buffer is full that no further commands could be queued/controlled and would not be able to return to point of destination to land either. So most likely a software bug, must be using Windows 11
Look at the F35 that is riddled with bugs in the software grounding the planes a number of times for months at a time. Software is becoming more and more complex and tightening security against exploits that could be used but in turn making it harder to bypass if you encounter a bug.
我认为这很简单，地面控制失去了对无人机的控制，而SU57也无法与其对接。为了确保它不会完好无损地落入敌手，他们选择摧毁它，只留下一些残骸可供打捞和研究。如果缓冲区已满，无法执行进一步的命令，并且也无法返回目的地降落，这就说得通了。
所以很可能是软件漏洞，肯定是在用Windows 11。看看F35，它的软件漏洞使飞机数月内多次停飞。软件变得越来越复杂，并加强了对可能被利用的漏洞的安全防护，但这反而使得在遇到漏洞时更难以绕过。
@madisondines7441
Oh there was plenty left to salvage/study. Ukrainians had a huge laugh at Russian stealth coatings.
哦，还有很多可以打捞和研究的东西。乌克兰人对俄罗斯的隐形涂层大笑不已。
Oh there was plenty left to salvage/study. Ukrainians had a huge laugh at Russian stealth coatings.
哦，还有很多可以打捞和研究的东西。乌克兰人对俄罗斯的隐形涂层大笑不已。
@ailinofaolin8897
Every Windows OS since 8 has been utter pish even worse than Vista.
从Windows 8开始的每个Windows操作系统都糟透了，甚至比Vista还差。
Every Windows OS since 8 has been utter pish even worse than Vista.
从Windows 8开始的每个Windows操作系统都糟透了，甚至比Vista还差。
@koskok2965
Bro, 10 was leagues better than 8. It's 11 that's actively trying to claim the title of Microsoft's biggest P(OS).
兄弟，10比8好得多。11正在积极争夺微软最大“渣作”的称号。
Bro, 10 was leagues better than 8. It's 11 that's actively trying to claim the title of Microsoft's biggest P(OS).
兄弟，10比8好得多。11正在积极争夺微软最大“渣作”的称号。
@Dazzxp
Yet it was just a few km from Chasiv Yar which has heavy air defence and from the video they are clearly at high altitude too... Much like cope cages, you know everyone mocked them, and you see them all over Ukrainian vehicles and tanks, heck even Israel has them on their Merkava 4 tanks that also have APS installed...
但它距离有重防空的Chasiv Yar只有几公里，而且从视频中看，它们显然也在高空……就像防护笼一样，你知道大家都嘲笑它们，你可以在乌克兰的车辆和坦克上看到它们，甚至以色列的梅卡瓦4型坦克上也有防护笼，而且还安装了APS系统……
Yet it was just a few km from Chasiv Yar which has heavy air defence and from the video they are clearly at high altitude too... Much like cope cages, you know everyone mocked them, and you see them all over Ukrainian vehicles and tanks, heck even Israel has them on their Merkava 4 tanks that also have APS installed...
但它距离有重防空的Chasiv Yar只有几公里，而且从视频中看，它们显然也在高空……就像防护笼一样，你知道大家都嘲笑它们，你可以在乌克兰的车辆和坦克上看到它们，甚至以色列的梅卡瓦4型坦克上也有防护笼，而且还安装了APS系统……
@ailinofaolin8897
I jumped to Linux after Windows 7 as a tech I still have to know how to use Windows OS of course, they're all basically malware masquerading as an OS at this point.
在Windows 7之后我转向了Linux，作为技术人员，我当然还是需要了解如何使用Windows操作系统，但它们现在基本上都是伪装成操作系统的恶意软件。
I jumped to Linux after Windows 7 as a tech I still have to know how to use Windows OS of course, they're all basically malware masquerading as an OS at this point.
在Windows 7之后我转向了Linux，作为技术人员，我当然还是需要了解如何使用Windows操作系统，但它们现在基本上都是伪装成操作系统的恶意软件。
@ailinofaolin8897
It was XP that gave us UPNP you should look up that particular exploit.
是XP带给了我们UPNP，你应该查一下那个特定的漏洞。
It was XP that gave us UPNP you should look up that particular exploit.
是XP带给了我们UPNP，你应该查一下那个特定的漏洞。
@HOTSHTMAN53
The S-70 told the Su-57 that it’s “not stealth”, and for that it got shot down
S-70告诉Su-57它“不隐形”，于是它被击落了
The S-70 told the Su-57 that it’s “not stealth”, and for that it got shot down
S-70告诉Su-57它“不隐形”，于是它被击落了
@srijanme
Most stupid comment of the year
年度最蠢评论
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Most stupid comment of the year
年度最蠢评论
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@ailinofaolin8897
A lot of people commenting how Russia only has two S70 drones, the one that was downed over Ukraine is the first prototype that was tested in Syria, the 4th prototype is the production variant, the fact this and a SU57 were over the frontlines undetected is very telling.
很多人评论说俄罗斯只有两架S70无人机，在乌克兰被击落的是第一个在叙利亚测试的原型机，第4个原型机是生产版本，这架和一架SU57在前线未被发现的事实很能说明问题。
A lot of people commenting how Russia only has two S70 drones, the one that was downed over Ukraine is the first prototype that was tested in Syria, the 4th prototype is the production variant, the fact this and a SU57 were over the frontlines undetected is very telling.
很多人评论说俄罗斯只有两架S70无人机，在乌克兰被击落的是第一个在叙利亚测试的原型机，第4个原型机是生产版本，这架和一架SU57在前线未被发现的事实很能说明问题。
@eastcorkcheeses6448
The russians also expended a valuable iskander ballistic missile to bomb the crash site , so make of that what you want
俄罗斯人还使用了一枚宝贵的伊斯坎德尔弹道导弹轰炸了坠毁地点，你可以自行判断。
The russians also expended a valuable iskander ballistic missile to bomb the crash site , so make of that what you want
俄罗斯人还使用了一枚宝贵的伊斯坎德尔弹道导弹轰炸了坠毁地点，你可以自行判断。
@hippoace
definitely didnt want anyone picking it up.
绝对不希望有人捡起它。
definitely didnt want anyone picking it up.
绝对不希望有人捡起它。
@paprikar
i cant find any actual source for this one, can you share some?
the only i can see are proofless / says its unconfirmed
我找不到任何实际的来源，你能分享一些吗？我所看到的都是没有证据的/说这是未经证实的。
i cant find any actual source for this one, can you share some?
the only i can see are proofless / says its unconfirmed
我找不到任何实际的来源，你能分享一些吗？我所看到的都是没有证据的/说这是未经证实的。
@Rek1emMScar
i have read of it and someone post a pic of the impact but i don't feel like its real.
我有读到相关内容，有人发布了打击后的照片，但我感觉这不是真的。
i have read of it and someone post a pic of the impact but i don't feel like its real.
我有读到相关内容，有人发布了打击后的照片，但我感觉这不是真的。
@MilitaryTechNerd006
Iskander has too big a warhead to do that little damage, even if it was off. Even if it did miss, there would be a massive crater somewhere in the vacinity of the crash site.
伊斯坎德尔的弹头太大，无法造成那么小的破坏，即使未命中。如果真的偏离目标，坠毁地点附近也会有一个巨大的陨石坑。
Iskander has too big a warhead to do that little damage, even if it was off. Even if it did miss, there would be a massive crater somewhere in the vacinity of the crash site.
伊斯坎德尔的弹头太大，无法造成那么小的破坏，即使未命中。如果真的偏离目标，坠毁地点附近也会有一个巨大的陨石坑。
@interpl6089
Not really. The Iskander doesn't really leave craters all that big. If it hit near the crash it wouldn't be all that visbile as the ground was burned.
不完全是。伊斯坎德尔实际上不会留下那么大的弹坑。如果它击中坠毁地点附近，可能不会太明显，因为地面已经被烧毁了。
Not really. The Iskander doesn't really leave craters all that big. If it hit near the crash it wouldn't be all that visbile as the ground was burned.
不完全是。伊斯坎德尔实际上不会留下那么大的弹坑。如果它击中坠毁地点附近，可能不会太明显，因为地面已经被烧毁了。
@gradientascent4218
Probably it was at least partially recovered and sent to NATO.
可能至少部分被回收并送往北约。
Probably it was at least partially recovered and sent to NATO.
可能至少部分被回收并送往北约。
@CremeDeLaMeme.
there are different warheads for iskander it can even carry a nuclear charge
伊斯坎德尔有不同的弹头，它甚至可以携带核弹头。
there are different warheads for iskander it can even carry a nuclear charge
伊斯坎德尔有不同的弹头，它甚至可以携带核弹头。
@true_xander
500 kilos of explosives leaves pretty large hole, but there we see partially intact light building right on the spot. Doesn't add up.
500公斤的炸药会留下相当大的洞，但我们在现场看到的是部分完好的轻型建筑。这不合逻辑。
500 kilos of explosives leaves pretty large hole, but there we see partially intact light building right on the spot. Doesn't add up.
500公斤的炸药会留下相当大的洞，但我们在现场看到的是部分完好的轻型建筑。这不合逻辑。
@leight420
maybe they used a cluster warhead
也许他们使用了集束弹头。
maybe they used a cluster warhead
也许他们使用了集束弹头。
@romanberkutov2592
Отличный ролик по очень сжатой информации. Мы не можем знать, что произошло, ведь даже ВКС скорее всего еще разбирается
非常棒的视频，信息非常简洁。我们无法知道发生了什么，毕竟即使是俄罗斯空军可能还在调查中。
Отличный ролик по очень сжатой информации. Мы не можем знать, что произошло, ведь даже ВКС скорее всего еще разбирается
非常棒的视频，信息非常简洁。我们无法知道发生了什么，毕竟即使是俄罗斯空军可能还在调查中。
@floppa1-166
actually not the UMPK, but the remnants of the UMPB D-30SN, a longer range glide bomb using FAB-250 as the warhead iirc, can also be launched by Tornado-S MLRS and it’s been seen being used by the 34 in the war from time to time. Great video as always.
实际上不是UMPK，而是UMPB D-30SN的残骸，这是一种使用FAB-250作为弹头的远程滑翔炸弹，据我所知，也可以由“龙卷风-S”多管火箭系统发射，并且在战争中偶尔被34部队使用。视频一如既往地精彩。
actually not the UMPK, but the remnants of the UMPB D-30SN, a longer range glide bomb using FAB-250 as the warhead iirc, can also be launched by Tornado-S MLRS and it’s been seen being used by the 34 in the war from time to time. Great video as always.
实际上不是UMPK，而是UMPB D-30SN的残骸，这是一种使用FAB-250作为弹头的远程滑翔炸弹，据我所知，也可以由“龙卷风-S”多管火箭系统发射，并且在战争中偶尔被34部队使用。视频一如既往地精彩。
@floppa1-166
also wanted to add on something interesting, S-70 has been seen flying with some kind of flanker last year (maybe Su-30?). I’d post a lix here, but the comment would be nuked. It’s on the YouTube channel ‘лампа знаний’
还想补充一些有趣的事情，去年看到S-70与某种伴随机一起飞行（可能是Su-30？）。我想在这里发布链接，但评论会被删除。它在YouTube频道‘лампа знаний’上。
also wanted to add on something interesting, S-70 has been seen flying with some kind of flanker last year (maybe Su-30?). I’d post a lix here, but the comment would be nuked. It’s on the YouTube channel ‘лампа знаний’
还想补充一些有趣的事情，去年看到S-70与某种伴随机一起飞行（可能是Su-30？）。我想在这里发布链接，但评论会被删除。它在YouTube频道‘лампа знаний’上。
@johnnylind-n7j
They lost control of it , and had to shoot it down .
他们失去了对它的控制，不得不将其击落。
They lost control of it , and had to shoot it down .
他们失去了对它的控制，不得不将其击落。
@racing_mntage1584
Fr
说的对。
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Fr
说的对。
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@JinKee
Just like the movie STEALTH (2005) with Jamie Foxx
就像杰米·福克斯主演的电影《隐形战鹰》（2005年）一样。
Just like the movie STEALTH (2005) with Jamie Foxx
就像杰米·福克斯主演的电影《隐形战鹰》（2005年）一样。
@someday2910
The crash locations suggest that the Su-57 and Su-70 were operating in Ukraine.But nobody talks about it.This is proof that the Sukhoi 57 is a true stealth aircraft.
坠毁地点表明Su-57和Su-70正在乌克兰作战。但没有人谈论此事。这证明了苏霍伊57是一款真正的隐形飞机。
The crash locations suggest that the Su-57 and Su-70 were operating in Ukraine.But nobody talks about it.This is proof that the Sukhoi 57 is a true stealth aircraft.
坠毁地点表明Su-57和Su-70正在乌克兰作战。但没有人谈论此事。这证明了苏霍伊57是一款真正的隐形飞机。
@rusticbox9908
It's quite amazing that the and SU57 seems to not care about Ukranian AA.
令人惊讶的是，苏57似乎不在乎乌克兰的防空系统。
It's quite amazing that the and SU57 seems to not care about Ukranian AA.
令人惊讶的是，苏57似乎不在乎乌克兰的防空系统。
@alispeed5095
Dont question the narrative please. The su 57 has no stealth!
请不要质疑这个说法。苏57没有隐形能力！
Dont question the narrative please. The su 57 has no stealth!
请不要质疑这个说法。苏57没有隐形能力！
@brokentortilla
definitely more than previous non-stealth aircraft of Russia, but surely not as much as the f22
绝对比俄罗斯以前的非隐形飞机强多了，但肯定不如F22。
definitely more than previous non-stealth aircraft of Russia, but surely not as much as the f22
绝对比俄罗斯以前的非隐形飞机强多了，但肯定不如F22。
@alispeed5095
nah its not stealthy at all
不，它一点也不隐形。
nah its not stealthy at all
不，它一点也不隐形。
@Nicalobocinator
thats just being ignorant lol
那只是无知而已，哈哈。
thats just being ignorant lol
那只是无知而已，哈哈。
@alispeed5095
please dont challenge the narrative...
请不要挑战这个说法……
please dont challenge the narrative...
请不要挑战这个说法……
@voidtempering8700
There is no narrative that the Su-57 isn't stealthy. No one who is serious about aircraft would believe that.
没有说苏57不隐形的说法。任何认真对待飞机的人都不会相信。
There is no narrative that the Su-57 isn't stealthy. No one who is serious about aircraft would believe that.
没有说苏57不隐形的说法。任何认真对待飞机的人都不会相信。
@pablo3995
So you are trying to say that a plane that entered ukranian airspace wich has dozens of anti aircraft sistems wasn't shot down and was able to fly several kilometers into ukranian territory isn't stealthy?
所以你的意思是，一架进入乌克兰领空的飞机，那里有数十个防空系统，却没有被击落，能够飞入乌克兰领土数公里，这架飞机并不隐形？
So you are trying to say that a plane that entered ukranian airspace wich has dozens of anti aircraft sistems wasn't shot down and was able to fly several kilometers into ukranian territory isn't stealthy?
所以你的意思是，一架进入乌克兰领空的飞机，那里有数十个防空系统，却没有被击落，能够飞入乌克兰领土数公里，这架飞机并不隐形？
@alispeed5095
If only. Though your doubt shows me that something is starting to change in the western mindset. A year back, you would likely have agreed with me.
要是如此。虽然你的怀疑让我觉得西方的思维方式正在开始改变。一年前，你可能会同意我的观点。
If only. Though your doubt shows me that something is starting to change in the western mindset. A year back, you would likely have agreed with me.
要是如此。虽然你的怀疑让我觉得西方的思维方式正在开始改变。一年前，你可能会同意我的观点。
@voidtempering8700
No I wouldn't. The only people who claim the Su-57 isn't stealthy are trolls who clearly don't know what the term stealthy means.
不会的。唯一声称苏57不隐形的人是那些明显不了解“隐形”是什么意思的喷子。
No I wouldn't. The only people who claim the Su-57 isn't stealthy are trolls who clearly don't know what the term stealthy means.
不会的。唯一声称苏57不隐形的人是那些明显不了解“隐形”是什么意思的喷子。
@Eko_Kats
Yet you did not managed to understand that you were trolled...
但你没能理解自己被恶搞了……
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Yet you did not managed to understand that you were trolled...
但你没能理解自己被恶搞了……
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@alispeed5095
Some people are just genuinely ignorant. Today in this very comment section, a saw a guy that thought that a stealth'd plane will not be visible to the eye ;)
有些人真的很无知。就在今天，在这个评论区，我看到一个人认为隐形飞机肉眼不可见;)
Some people are just genuinely ignorant. Today in this very comment section, a saw a guy that thought that a stealth'd plane will not be visible to the eye ;)
有些人真的很无知。就在今天，在这个评论区，我看到一个人认为隐形飞机肉眼不可见;)
@tumpeji
i saw that in American mowie zziiiip and the plane desapired
我在美国电影《飞天大盗》中看到过那样，飞机就消失了
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i saw that in American mowie zziiiip and the plane desapired
我在美国电影《飞天大盗》中看到过那样，飞机就消失了
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@user-fe7bo5mm1o
that must have been a joke along the lines of "su 57 is so stealthy that we can't even see it"
那一定是类似“苏57隐形到我们都看不见它”的笑话
that must have been a joke along the lines of "su 57 is so stealthy that we can't even see it"
那一定是类似“苏57隐形到我们都看不见它”的笑话
@mahyadnaadlaw3112
Because there was none.
因为根本没有。
Because there was none.
因为根本没有。
@brightshanghala7409
it proved it is
这证明了它确实如此。
it proved it is
这证明了它确实如此。
@brightshanghala7409
atleast su57 used only one misille to shoot down a moving drone, f22 needed more than Missile to take down a still balloon
至少苏57只用了一个导弹击落了一架移动的无人机，F22却需要多个导弹才能击落一个静止的气球
atleast su57 used only one misille to shoot down a moving drone, f22 needed more than Missile to take down a still balloon
至少苏57只用了一个导弹击落了一架移动的无人机，F22却需要多个导弹才能击落一个静止的气球
@brightshanghala7409
true
确实如此。
true
确实如此。
@brightshanghala7409
how can you not see it.? Big as how it is, stealth does not mean you can't see it, it means hard to detect it with anti aircraft
你怎么能看不见呢？无论它多大，隐形并不意味着你看不见它，而是指难以被防空系统探测到。
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how can you not see it.? Big as how it is, stealth does not mean you can't see it, it means hard to detect it with anti aircraft
你怎么能看不见呢？无论它多大，隐形并不意味着你看不见它，而是指难以被防空系统探测到。
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@user-fe7bo5mm1o
that's why I specifically said "joke"
这就是为什么我特别说“笑话”。
that's why I specifically said "joke"
这就是为什么我特别说“笑话”。
@MilitaryTechNerd006
Because its low observable... it likepy has an RCS similar to that of the F117 and likely a little better
因为它具有低可观测性……它的雷达散射截面（RCS）类似于F117，可能还稍好一些。
Because its low observable... it likepy has an RCS similar to that of the F117 and likely a little better
因为它具有低可观测性……它的雷达散射截面（RCS）类似于F117，可能还稍好一些。
@MaxHohenstaufen
As far as I know, according with this channel, among others, the s57 is stealthy but in another scale of the western aircraft. I don't remember numbers but it's like, at the same distance, to the same radar, a s57 looks like a bird while a f35 looks like a fly.
据我所知，根据这个频道和其他渠道，S57是隐形的，但在西方飞机的另一个尺度上。我不记得具体数字，但就像在相同距离、相同雷达下，S57看起来像一只鸟，而F35看起来像一只苍蝇。
As far as I know, according with this channel, among others, the s57 is stealthy but in another scale of the western aircraft. I don't remember numbers but it's like, at the same distance, to the same radar, a s57 looks like a bird while a f35 looks like a fly.
据我所知，根据这个频道和其他渠道，S57是隐形的，但在西方飞机的另一个尺度上。我不记得具体数字，但就像在相同距离、相同雷达下，S57看起来像一只鸟，而F35看起来像一只苍蝇。
@NeuroScientician
It uses engines from SU27 same as the S70, those have massive reflection, its a huge round blob of steel not covered by anything.
S70它使用的是与苏27相同的引擎，这些引擎反射强烈，是一个巨大的圆形钢块，没有任何遮盖。
It uses engines from SU27 same as the S70, those have massive reflection, its a huge round blob of steel not covered by anything.
S70它使用的是与苏27相同的引擎，这些引擎反射强烈，是一个巨大的圆形钢块，没有任何遮盖。
@voidtempering8700
It doesn't use the same engines, it uses a derivative of those engines. That also doesn't mean it isn't stealthy.
它不使用相同的引擎，而是这些引擎的衍生产品。这也不意味着它不隐形。
It doesn't use the same engines, it uses a derivative of those engines. That also doesn't mean it isn't stealthy.
它不使用相同的引擎，而是这些引擎的衍生产品。这也不意味着它不隐形。
@NeuroScientician
It does mean that it is not stealthy. It's still and engine from 45 years ago
这确实意味着它不隐形。那仍然是45年前的引擎。
It does mean that it is not stealthy. It's still and engine from 45 years ago
这确实意味着它不隐形。那仍然是45年前的引擎。
@voidtempering8700
Its engines were made in the 2000s, don't make things up. And additionally, that is not what being stealthy means. It is VLO from the front, and it, like the F-35 doesn't have all aspects stealth.
它的引擎是2000年代制造的，不要编造。此外，这并不是隐形的定义。它是从正面低可观测（VLO），并且像F-35一样并不具备所有方面的隐形。
Its engines were made in the 2000s, don't make things up. And additionally, that is not what being stealthy means. It is VLO from the front, and it, like the F-35 doesn't have all aspects stealth.
它的引擎是2000年代制造的，不要编造。此外，这并不是隐形的定义。它是从正面低可观测（VLO），并且像F-35一样并不具备所有方面的隐形。
@NeuroScientician
Those two are not comparable. The ancient engine is in the open that means that pretty much from every angle it reflects back to radar and the engine is from 1980.
This is really not a matter of opinion, the nozzle does not even have any form of cooling or heat shielding.
It's typical russia BS shaped to look like something american but it is really not anything comparable.
这两者无法比较。古老的引擎是开放的，这意味着从几乎每个角度都反射回雷达，而且引擎来自1980年。这真的不是意见问题，喷嘴甚至没有任何形式的冷却或防热屏蔽。它是典型的俄罗斯设计，形状像美国的某种东西，但实际上无法比较。
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Those two are not comparable. The ancient engine is in the open that means that pretty much from every angle it reflects back to radar and the engine is from 1980.
This is really not a matter of opinion, the nozzle does not even have any form of cooling or heat shielding.
It's typical russia BS shaped to look like something american but it is really not anything comparable.
这两者无法比较。古老的引擎是开放的，这意味着从几乎每个角度都反射回雷达，而且引擎来自1980年。这真的不是意见问题，喷嘴甚至没有任何形式的冷却或防热屏蔽。它是典型的俄罗斯设计，形状像美国的某种东西，但实际上无法比较。
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@voidtempering8700
It is shaped like an engine. At this point you're just yapping. Not to mention the fact that the Su-57 can super cruise, so it doesn't need to activate the after under like the F-35.
它的形状像一个引擎。到这一步你只是唠叨。更不用说苏57可以超巡航，所以它不需要像F-35那样激活后燃器。
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It is shaped like an engine. At this point you're just yapping. Not to mention the fact that the Su-57 can super cruise, so it doesn't need to activate the after under like the F-35.
它的形状像一个引擎。到这一步你只是唠叨。更不用说苏57可以超巡航，所以它不需要像F-35那样激活后燃器。
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@NeuroScientician
You may want to google why modern engines dont look like old soviet ones. You cannot large metal pipe sticking out of your place on all sides and pretend that it wont generate return on Radar or IR seekers.
F35 does super cruise. It's a single engine jet. It needs to speed up on afterburner but then in glides in the envelope without it.
你可能想谷歌一下为什么现代引擎不像老式苏联引擎。你不能在各个方向都有大型金属管突出，然后假装它不会在雷达或红外寻标器上产生回波。F35确实可以超巡航。它是单引擎喷气式飞机。需要在加力器上加速，但随后在不使用加力器的情况下滑行。
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You may want to google why modern engines dont look like old soviet ones. You cannot large metal pipe sticking out of your place on all sides and pretend that it wont generate return on Radar or IR seekers.
F35 does super cruise. It's a single engine jet. It needs to speed up on afterburner but then in glides in the envelope without it.
你可能想谷歌一下为什么现代引擎不像老式苏联引擎。你不能在各个方向都有大型金属管突出，然后假装它不会在雷达或红外寻标器上产生回波。F35确实可以超巡航。它是单引擎喷气式飞机。需要在加力器上加速，但随后在不使用加力器的情况下滑行。
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@ailinofaolin8897
Yes but these are birds and flies travelling at Mach that's why the B-2 is subsonic to improve it's overall stealth capabilities.
是的，但这些是以音速飞行的鸟和苍蝇，这就是为什么B-2是亚音速的，以提高其整体隐形能力。
Yes but these are birds and flies travelling at Mach that's why the B-2 is subsonic to improve it's overall stealth capabilities.
是的，但这些是以音速飞行的鸟和苍蝇，这就是为什么B-2是亚音速的，以提高其整体隐形能力。
@voidtempering8700
That isn't exactly how they show up on radar. Radars automatically filter out some signals, as such there is an average target tracking range that they can fire at a stealth aircraft from.
它们在雷达上的显示并不是那样。雷达会自动过滤一些信号，因此有一个可以从中对隐形飞机进行射击的平均目标跟踪范围。
That isn't exactly how they show up on radar. Radars automatically filter out some signals, as such there is an average target tracking range that they can fire at a stealth aircraft from.
它们在雷达上的显示并不是那样。雷达会自动过滤一些信号，因此有一个可以从中对隐形飞机进行射击的平均目标跟踪范围。
@goodlife6277
No, It was sarcasm...
不，那是讽刺……
No, It was sarcasm...
不，那是讽刺……
@KSmithwick1989
Granted F-35 is primarily a single engine strike aircraft, as opposed to F-22. It was derived from the Joint Strike Fighter program.
What's surprising is how low is the Su-57's claimed supercruise speed at Mach 1.4. While the F-22 from over 20 years ago achieved Mach 1.8. Not to mention Su-57 lacks significant numbers, due to budgetary and powerplant issues.
诚然，F-35主要是单引擎战机，与F-22不同。它源自联合攻击战斗机项目。令人惊讶的是，苏57宣称的超巡速度只有马赫1.4，而20多年前的F-22达到了马赫1.8。更不用说苏57由于预算和动力系统问题，数量上也不多。
Granted F-35 is primarily a single engine strike aircraft, as opposed to F-22. It was derived from the Joint Strike Fighter program.
What's surprising is how low is the Su-57's claimed supercruise speed at Mach 1.4. While the F-22 from over 20 years ago achieved Mach 1.8. Not to mention Su-57 lacks significant numbers, due to budgetary and powerplant issues.
诚然，F-35主要是单引擎战机，与F-22不同。它源自联合攻击战斗机项目。令人惊讶的是，苏57宣称的超巡速度只有马赫1.4，而20多年前的F-22达到了马赫1.8。更不用说苏57由于预算和动力系统问题，数量上也不多。
@Vladimir08090
ad essere onesti, molti esperti ritengono che il SU-57 sia l'aereo di quinta generazione più collaudato e testato in una situazione di combattimento reale rispetto agli altri attualmente esistenti.E sì, non è la prima volta che viene utilizzato in Ucraina e in Siria. E di conseguenza, dopo ogni missione di combattimento in Ucraina, viene ulteriormente migliorato e alla fine il SU-57 diventerà senza dubbio il miglior aereo di quinta generazione al mondo e il più capace di combattere.
说实话，许多专家认为，SU-57是目前存在的第五代飞机中在真实战斗环境中测试和验证最多的。是的，这不是它第一次在乌克兰和叙利亚使用。因此，在乌克兰的每一次战斗任务之后，SU-57都会进一步改进，最终无疑会成为世界上最好的第五代战斗机，也是最具战斗能力的。
ad essere onesti, molti esperti ritengono che il SU-57 sia l'aereo di quinta generazione più collaudato e testato in una situazione di combattimento reale rispetto agli altri attualmente esistenti.E sì, non è la prima volta che viene utilizzato in Ucraina e in Siria. E di conseguenza, dopo ogni missione di combattimento in Ucraina, viene ulteriormente migliorato e alla fine il SU-57 diventerà senza dubbio il miglior aereo di quinta generazione al mondo e il più capace di combattere.
说实话，许多专家认为，SU-57是目前存在的第五代飞机中在真实战斗环境中测试和验证最多的。是的，这不是它第一次在乌克兰和叙利亚使用。因此，在乌克兰的每一次战斗任务之后，SU-57都会进一步改进，最终无疑会成为世界上最好的第五代战斗机，也是最具战斗能力的。
@rusticbox9908
Forget it mate. These trolls clearly don't know what low RCS mean. If they think it shows up on radar like a 747 than so be it.
别管了，伙计。这些喷子显然不知道低雷达散射截面（RCS）是什么意思。如果他们认为它在雷达上像747那样显示，那就这样吧。
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Forget it mate. These trolls clearly don't know what low RCS mean. If they think it shows up on radar like a 747 than so be it.
别管了，伙计。这些喷子显然不知道低雷达散射截面（RCS）是什么意思。如果他们认为它在雷达上像747那样显示，那就这样吧。
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@voidtempering8700
Being as visible as a normal jet from the back doesn't change the fact that it still has 1/10th or lower RCS of modern 4.5 gen aircraft.
You are proving once again you don't understand what stealthy means.
从后方看起来和普通喷气机一样明显，并不改变它仍然拥有现代4.5代飞机1/10甚至更低的雷达散射截面（RCS）的事实。
你再次证明了你不理解“隐形”是什么意思。
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Being as visible as a normal jet from the back doesn't change the fact that it still has 1/10th or lower RCS of modern 4.5 gen aircraft.
You are proving once again you don't understand what stealthy means.
从后方看起来和普通喷气机一样明显，并不改变它仍然拥有现代4.5代飞机1/10甚至更低的雷达散射截面（RCS）的事实。
你再次证明了你不理解“隐形”是什么意思。
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@RazvanMihaeanu
Me, in the first seconds... interesting shades you got there, Igor.
我，在最初的几秒……伊戈尔，你的阴影很有趣。
Me, in the first seconds... interesting shades you got there, Igor.
我，在最初的几秒……伊戈尔，你的阴影很有趣。
@akizeta
M7 being stalked by his fans. Let the man do his shopping!
M7被他的粉丝盯上了。让这个人去购物吧！
M7 being stalked by his fans. Let the man do his shopping!
M7被他的粉丝盯上了。让这个人去购物吧！
@lordsqueak
One thing about these kinds of drones, is that they are supposed to be expendable.
In other words, this incident is exactly what you expect to happen. Drone gets shot down over hostile territory, the enemy gets to analyze what it's made of.
So it would be in the interest of the operator to not include super secret stuff, but to make sure it doesn't contain something the enemy doesn't already know.
Because if it does have something that you don't want the enemy to know about, you wouldn't be able to operate it in the way it is meant to be operated.
关于这类无人机，有一点，它们应该是一次性的。
换句话说，这次事件正是你预期会发生的。无人机在敌对领土上被击落，敌人可以分析它的组成。
因此，操作员的关键在于不包含超级机密的东西，而是确保它不包含敌人还不知道的东西。
因为如果它确实有你不希望敌人知道的东西，你就无法按照预定方式操作它。
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One thing about these kinds of drones, is that they are supposed to be expendable.
In other words, this incident is exactly what you expect to happen. Drone gets shot down over hostile territory, the enemy gets to analyze what it's made of.
So it would be in the interest of the operator to not include super secret stuff, but to make sure it doesn't contain something the enemy doesn't already know.
Because if it does have something that you don't want the enemy to know about, you wouldn't be able to operate it in the way it is meant to be operated.
关于这类无人机，有一点，它们应该是一次性的。
换句话说，这次事件正是你预期会发生的。无人机在敌对领土上被击落，敌人可以分析它的组成。
因此，操作员的关键在于不包含超级机密的东西，而是确保它不包含敌人还不知道的东西。
因为如果它确实有你不希望敌人知道的东西，你就无法按照预定方式操作它。
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@corvanphoenix
The S-70 is designed to be a full capability UCAS, not a low capability, low cost, attritable system. So you know you will lose them, like anything you put in harms way, but it's supposed to come home every time like its piloted wingman.
S-70被设计为全能力的无人作战航空系统（UCAS），而不是低能力、低成本、易损的系统。所以你知道你会失去它们，就像你放入危险中的任何东西一样，但它应该每次都能像有驾驶员的控制机一样返回。
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The S-70 is designed to be a full capability UCAS, not a low capability, low cost, attritable system. So you know you will lose them, like anything you put in harms way, but it's supposed to come home every time like its piloted wingman.
S-70被设计为全能力的无人作战航空系统（UCAS），而不是低能力、低成本、易损的系统。所以你知道你会失去它们，就像你放入危险中的任何东西一样，但它应该每次都能像有驾驶员的控制机一样返回。
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@interpl6089
It was quite an early S-70 judging by the nozzle and wing type.
根据喷嘴和机翼类型来看，那是一架相当早期的S-70。
It was quite an early S-70 judging by the nozzle and wing type.
根据喷嘴和机翼类型来看，那是一架相当早期的S-70。
@KSmithwick1989
Its not really expendable considering S-70 is still in its prototype phase.
考虑到S-70仍处于原型阶段，它实际上并不是一次性的。
Its not really expendable considering S-70 is still in its prototype phase.
考虑到S-70仍处于原型阶段，它实际上并不是一次性的。
@showdown66
Surely the S70 is programmed to return to base on loss of comms. Maybe highjacking (by NAT0, not Ukr) isn’t so far fetched.
肯定是S70在失去通信时被编程为返回基地。也许劫持（由北约，而不是乌克兰）并非完全不可能。
Surely the S70 is programmed to return to base on loss of comms. Maybe highjacking (by NAT0, not Ukr) isn’t so far fetched.
肯定是S70在失去通信时被编程为返回基地。也许劫持（由北约，而不是乌克兰）并非完全不可能。
@thesayxx
My guy you're off the rocker if you believe Ukr has the capabilities to do it. Lets just remember NATO is flying AWACS planes along the western Ukrainian border 24/7, and they have multiple satellites covering the frontlines.
伙计，如果你相信乌克兰有能力做到这一点，那你就错了。让我们记住，北约每天24小时都在乌克兰西部边境飞行预警机，他们有多颗卫星覆盖前线。
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My guy you're off the rocker if you believe Ukr has the capabilities to do it. Lets just remember NATO is flying AWACS planes along the western Ukrainian border 24/7, and they have multiple satellites covering the frontlines.
伙计，如果你相信乌克兰有能力做到这一点，那你就错了。让我们记住，北约每天24小时都在乌克兰西部边境飞行预警机，他们有多颗卫星覆盖前线。
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@igorkim3558
software glitch could still prevent it from executing go-home algorithm
软件故障仍可能阻止其执行返航算法。
software glitch could still prevent it from executing go-home algorithm
软件故障仍可能阻止其执行返航算法。
@ChipMIK
Not your guy, but its way to far for any NATO plane to jam such a thing. Power density ;-) And I truly believe your underestimating what the Ukraimians are capable of vs. Chinese/bit of Russian tech.
不是你的朋友，但对于任何北约飞机来说，干扰这样的东西太遥远了。功率密度;-）我真的相信你低估了乌克兰人在对抗中国/部分俄罗斯技术方面的能力。
Not your guy, but its way to far for any NATO plane to jam such a thing. Power density ;-) And I truly believe your underestimating what the Ukraimians are capable of vs. Chinese/bit of Russian tech.
不是你的朋友，但对于任何北约飞机来说，干扰这样的东西太遥远了。功率密度;-）我真的相信你低估了乌克兰人在对抗中国/部分俄罗斯技术方面的能力。
@MilitaryTechNerd006
yes, but jamming a "state of the art" russian drone meant to heavily augment the VKS & act as a force multiplier would be far beyond an act of escelation, and to russia could be a declaration of war.
是的，但干扰一架“最先进”的俄罗斯无人机，意味着大幅增强战略航空兵并作为力量倍增器，这将远远超出升级行为，对俄罗斯来说可能是一种宣战。
yes, but jamming a "state of the art" russian drone meant to heavily augment the VKS & act as a force multiplier would be far beyond an act of escelation, and to russia could be a declaration of war.
是的，但干扰一架“最先进”的俄罗斯无人机，意味着大幅增强战略航空兵并作为力量倍增器，这将远远超出升级行为，对俄罗斯来说可能是一种宣战。
@ChipMIK
You would never get any usable power for jamming transmittet that far. Simple as that.
你永远无法获得足够的功率来远距离干扰。就这么简单。
You would never get any usable power for jamming transmittet that far. Simple as that.
你永远无法获得足够的功率来远距离干扰。就这么简单。
@KSmithwick1989
It's possible if Russia is using satellite relys. Especially considering the West has numeric and technological dominance over Russian space borne assets.
Russia simply doesn't have the budget or domestic industry to compete.
如果俄罗斯使用卫星中继，这是有可能的。特别是考虑到西方在数量和技术上对俄罗斯的太空资产占据压制地位。
俄罗斯根本没有预算或国内产业来竞争。
It's possible if Russia is using satellite relys. Especially considering the West has numeric and technological dominance over Russian space borne assets.
Russia simply doesn't have the budget or domestic industry to compete.
如果俄罗斯使用卫星中继，这是有可能的。特别是考虑到西方在数量和技术上对俄罗斯的太空资产占据压制地位。
俄罗斯根本没有预算或国内产业来竞争。
@AlexandroneF
Due to a minor programming error the S-70 decided to exterminate all human life, so the Su-57 pilot had to step in before the machine uprising got out of hand.
由于一个小的编程错误，S-70决定消灭所有人类生命，所以苏57的飞行员不得不介入，以防机器叛乱失控。
Due to a minor programming error the S-70 decided to exterminate all human life, so the Su-57 pilot had to step in before the machine uprising got out of hand.
由于一个小的编程错误，S-70决定消灭所有人类生命，所以苏57的飞行员不得不介入，以防机器叛乱失控。
@StevenF-w9l
Thanks you for your thoughts and analysis on this incident. it's good to get unbiased and open source appraisal of these types of things
感谢你对这一事件的思考和分析。能够获得对这类事情的公正和开源的评价很好。
Thanks you for your thoughts and analysis on this incident. it's good to get unbiased and open source appraisal of these types of things
感谢你对这一事件的思考和分析。能够获得对这类事情的公正和开源的评价很好。
@jebise1126
not on first try. we dont know but we can assume that americans were flying over iran A LOT before iran was able to get one of those drones. besides russians dont actually enter airspace. they launch attacks from their own territory
不是第一次尝试。我们不知道，但我们可以假设在伊朗能够获得这些无人机之前，美国人在伊朗上空飞行了很多次。除此之外，俄罗斯人实际上并不进入领空。他们从自己的领土发起攻击。
not on first try. we dont know but we can assume that americans were flying over iran A LOT before iran was able to get one of those drones. besides russians dont actually enter airspace. they launch attacks from their own territory
不是第一次尝试。我们不知道，但我们可以假设在伊朗能够获得这些无人机之前，美国人在伊朗上空飞行了很多次。除此之外，俄罗斯人实际上并不进入领空。他们从自己的领土发起攻击。
@PavelMikhalkov
The sound of a jet could give a clear understanding if it was 57 or not.
喷气机的声音可以清楚地判断它是否是57。
The sound of a jet could give a clear understanding if it was 57 or not.
喷气机的声音可以清楚地判断它是否是57。
@nnm711
Thank you. That the drone had technical issues and had to be shot down didn't occur to me after the usual western media stance "lololol russians stupid, they targeted their own aircraft again lol".
Additionally, if the drone has been used before and only now has been recognized, when it was shot down and not even by Ukrainian forces no less, is very concerning.
谢谢你。无人机出现技术问题并被击落这一点在我看来并没有在西方媒体通常的立场“哈哈哈，俄罗斯人太愚蠢了，他们又一次瞄准了自己的飞机，哈哈”之后被提及。此外，如果无人机之前已经使用过，只有现在才被识别出来，而且被击落时甚至不是由乌克兰部队击落的，这非常令人担忧。
Thank you. That the drone had technical issues and had to be shot down didn't occur to me after the usual western media stance "lololol russians stupid, they targeted their own aircraft again lol".
Additionally, if the drone has been used before and only now has been recognized, when it was shot down and not even by Ukrainian forces no less, is very concerning.
谢谢你。无人机出现技术问题并被击落这一点在我看来并没有在西方媒体通常的立场“哈哈哈，俄罗斯人太愚蠢了，他们又一次瞄准了自己的飞机，哈哈”之后被提及。此外，如果无人机之前已经使用过，只有现在才被识别出来，而且被击落时甚至不是由乌克兰部队击落的，这非常令人担忧。
@DonVetto-vx9dd
S 70 have been used in Ukraine for quite some time now. And probably Su 57 as well.
S-70已经在乌克兰使用了一段时间了。可能还有Su-57。
S 70 have been used in Ukraine for quite some time now. And probably Su 57 as well.
S-70已经在乌克兰使用了一段时间了。可能还有Su-57。
@raph151515
I heard it was a friendly fire shot, is it possible that the drone was hacked and they needed to shoot it down?
我听说这是友军误击，是否有可能无人机被黑客攻击，他们需要将其击落？
I heard it was a friendly fire shot, is it possible that the drone was hacked and they needed to shoot it down?
我听说这是友军误击，是否有可能无人机被黑客攻击，他们需要将其击落？
@thehumus8688
you dont need to be hacked for a Drone to lost control
in 2017, 2 US Predator lost control and crashed for random malfunction in span of 2 week
无人机失控并不需要被黑客攻击。
2017年，2架美国捕食者无人机在两周内因随机故障失控并坠毁。
you dont need to be hacked for a Drone to lost control
in 2017, 2 US Predator lost control and crashed for random malfunction in span of 2 week
无人机失控并不需要被黑客攻击。
2017年，2架美国捕食者无人机在两周内因随机故障失控并坠毁。
@thisisafact9181
Hacking into a this kind of machine is almost impossible with currant military grade encryption technologies , but loss of signals due to Jamming is realistic possibility. most likely some communication device failed on the drone and lost control as M7 explained here.
用当前的军用级加密技术几乎不可能入侵这种机器，但由于干扰导致信号丢失是现实的可能性。很可能是无人机上的某个通信设备故障，导致失去控制，正如M7在这里解释的那样。
Hacking into a this kind of machine is almost impossible with currant military grade encryption technologies , but loss of signals due to Jamming is realistic possibility. most likely some communication device failed on the drone and lost control as M7 explained here.
用当前的军用级加密技术几乎不可能入侵这种机器，但由于干扰导致信号丢失是现实的可能性。很可能是无人机上的某个通信设备故障，导致失去控制，正如M7在这里解释的那样。
@vladislavsuone7350
Well tg publics instantly said drone was shot down cuz they lose controle on it(some milfuction)
公众立刻说无人机被击落，因为他们失去了对它的控制（某种故障）。
Well tg publics instantly said drone was shot down cuz they lose controle on it(some milfuction)
公众立刻说无人机被击落，因为他们失去了对它的控制（某种故障）。
@SNixD
My vote also goes to some form of software or hardware failure being the most likely culprit. If that is the case there is probably some issue with their redundancy. Could be a lack of it or a poor implementation.
我也认为某种形式的软件或硬件故障是最可能的罪魁祸首。如果是这样，可能是它们的冗余系统出了问题。可能是缺乏冗余或实施不良。
My vote also goes to some form of software or hardware failure being the most likely culprit. If that is the case there is probably some issue with their redundancy. Could be a lack of it or a poor implementation.
我也认为某种形式的软件或硬件故障是最可能的罪魁祸首。如果是这样，可能是它们的冗余系统出了问题。可能是缺乏冗余或实施不良。
@raph151515
I didn't necessary mean someone else than Russian military took control of the drone, jamming could be a possibility. If you jamm and glonass spoof or other technical wizardry, you could make it fly over Ukraine to pick it up for study. This kind of drone is the future of warfare, getting one specimen early means a lot.
我不一定意味着除了俄罗斯军方之外的其他人控制了无人机，干扰可能是一种可能性。如果你干扰并进行GLONASS欺骗或其他技术魔法，你可以让它飞越乌克兰以便进行研究。这种无人机是战争的未来，提前获取一个样本意义重大。
I didn't necessary mean someone else than Russian military took control of the drone, jamming could be a possibility. If you jamm and glonass spoof or other technical wizardry, you could make it fly over Ukraine to pick it up for study. This kind of drone is the future of warfare, getting one specimen early means a lot.
我不一定意味着除了俄罗斯军方之外的其他人控制了无人机，干扰可能是一种可能性。如果你干扰并进行GLONASS欺骗或其他技术魔法，你可以让它飞越乌克兰以便进行研究。这种无人机是战争的未来，提前获取一个样本意义重大。
@amateuramateur250
The drone was not hacked, its signal receiver broke and it stopped executing commands and was flying towards Ukraine, so the Russians decided to destroy it. There is a video of an escort plane launching a missile at an S-70
无人机没有被黑客攻击，它的信号接收器坏了，停止执行命令并飞向乌克兰，所以俄罗斯人决定摧毁它。有一段伴飞机向S-70发射导弹的视频。
The drone was not hacked, its signal receiver broke and it stopped executing commands and was flying towards Ukraine, so the Russians decided to destroy it. There is a video of an escort plane launching a missile at an S-70
无人机没有被黑客攻击，它的信号接收器坏了，停止执行命令并飞向乌克兰，所以俄罗斯人决定摧毁它。有一段伴飞机向S-70发射导弹的视频。
@kingqw3rty-_-982
I dont think it being "stealth" matters as their was a non stealth russiam plane directly behind it.
我认为它是否“隐形”并不重要，因为在它正后方有一架非隐形的俄罗斯飞机。
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I dont think it being "stealth" matters as their was a non stealth russiam plane directly behind it.
我认为它是否“隐形”并不重要，因为在它正后方有一架非隐形的俄罗斯飞机。
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@СерхиоБускетс-ф7я
Unlikely. Because Russia and Ukraine uses a lot of drones and signal jamming equipment. And now drones are very resistant to jamming. The second reason is that if the C70 is controlled from a fighter, then a very strong signal is needed for this
不太可能。因为俄罗斯和乌克兰使用了很多无人机和信号干扰设备。而现在无人机对干扰非常抗拒。第二个原因是，如果C70是由战斗机控制的，那么这需要非常强的信号。
Unlikely. Because Russia and Ukraine uses a lot of drones and signal jamming equipment. And now drones are very resistant to jamming. The second reason is that if the C70 is controlled from a fighter, then a very strong signal is needed for this
不太可能。因为俄罗斯和乌克兰使用了很多无人机和信号干扰设备。而现在无人机对干扰非常抗拒。第二个原因是，如果C70是由战斗机控制的，那么这需要非常强的信号。
@interpl6089
Hacked? No. Out of control? Maybe.
被黑客攻击？不。失控？可能。
Hacked? No. Out of control? Maybe.
被黑客攻击？不。失控？可能。
@oliverroggenbuck7824
I really wonder where the wreck of that S-70 is now. Langley, Virginia ? Skunkworks ? Area 51 ?
我真的很想知道那架S-70的残骸现在在哪里。弗吉尼亚的兰利？斯卡克伍克斯？51区？
I really wonder where the wreck of that S-70 is now. Langley, Virginia ? Skunkworks ? Area 51 ?
我真的很想知道那架S-70的残骸现在在哪里。弗吉尼亚的兰利？斯卡克伍克斯？51区？
@IvanToman
At garbage collecting plant.
在垃圾收集厂。
At garbage collecting plant.
在垃圾收集厂。
@brokentortilla
Considering the fact that it's a prototype which is still far from being a serial production I doubt there's anything worth studying
考虑到它还是一个远未量产的原型，我怀疑有没有什么值得研究的东西。
Considering the fact that it's a prototype which is still far from being a serial production I doubt there's anything worth studying
考虑到它还是一个远未量产的原型，我怀疑有没有什么值得研究的东西。
@cocosusprime
Don't underestimate how thorough the inteligence agencies are.
Every bit of info can be a hint to someting.
Feed it into a powerful AI and who knows what estimations you can gather.
不要低估情报机构的彻底性。
每一条信息都可能是某种线索。
将其输入强大的AI，谁知道你能收集到什么样的估计。
Don't underestimate how thorough the inteligence agencies are.
Every bit of info can be a hint to someting.
Feed it into a powerful AI and who knows what estimations you can gather.
不要低估情报机构的彻底性。
每一条信息都可能是某种线索。
将其输入强大的AI，谁知道你能收集到什么样的估计。
@MilitaryTechNerd006
it MIGHT be a prototype. Although, it is very unlikely, mainly because it raises the questions: who the hell would bring a PROTOTYPE with a LIVE MUNITION into ENEMY TERRITORY???
它可能是一个原型。虽然这非常不可能，主要是因为这会引发问题：到底谁会带着带有实弹的原型进入敌方领土？？？
it MIGHT be a prototype. Although, it is very unlikely, mainly because it raises the questions: who the hell would bring a PROTOTYPE with a LIVE MUNITION into ENEMY TERRITORY???
它可能是一个原型。虽然这非常不可能，主要是因为这会引发问题：到底谁会带着带有实弹的原型进入敌方领土？？？
@interpl6089
It was a prototype. The intact wing was clearly super early S-70. And bringing a prototype into live warzone brings many useful things...mainly data.
那是一个原型。完整的机翼明显是早期的S-70。将原型带入实战战区带来了许多有用的东西……主要是数据。
It was a prototype. The intact wing was clearly super early S-70. And bringing a prototype into live warzone brings many useful things...mainly data.
那是一个原型。完整的机翼明显是早期的S-70。将原型带入实战战区带来了许多有用的东西……主要是数据。
@brokentortilla
cuz it's the best way to accelerate the development
因为这是加速开发的最佳方式。
cuz it's the best way to accelerate the development
因为这是加速开发的最佳方式。
@NightSyndrome
My guess is the drone malfunctioned and was shot down to make sure it didn't fall into enemy hands.
我的猜测是无人机发生了故障，并被击落以确保它不会落入敌人手中。
My guess is the drone malfunctioned and was shot down to make sure it didn't fall into enemy hands.
我的猜测是无人机发生了故障，并被击落以确保它不会落入敌人手中。
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