西方专家们对俄罗斯的核武新学说做出了反应（一）
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Most agree the changes are intended to serve as a warning to Western countries supplying long-range missiles to Ukraine
大多数人认为，这些变化是为了警告向乌克兰提供远程导弹的西方国家
Most agree the changes are intended to serve as a warning to Western countries supplying long-range missiles to Ukraine
大多数人认为，这些变化是为了警告向乌克兰提供远程导弹的西方国家
Russia’s new nuclear doctrine will likely force the US and other Western nations to reconsider their military support for Ukraine, defense and political experts have said after Vladimir Putin officially signed the new rules on Tuesday.
The new doctrine states that Moscow will have the right to consider the nuclear option if Russia or Belarus come under attack by conventional arms and if such aggression creates a “critical threat” to their sovereignty or territorial integrity.
国防和政治专家在弗拉基米尔·普京周二正式签署新规则后表示，俄罗斯的新核政策可能会迫使美国和其他西方国家重新考虑对乌克兰的军事支持。
新原则规定，如果俄罗斯或白俄罗斯遭受常规武器攻击，且这种攻击对其主权或领土完整造成“严重威胁”，莫斯科将有权考虑采取核选择。
The new doctrine states that Moscow will have the right to consider the nuclear option if Russia or Belarus come under attack by conventional arms and if such aggression creates a “critical threat” to their sovereignty or territorial integrity.
国防和政治专家在弗拉基米尔·普京周二正式签署新规则后表示，俄罗斯的新核政策可能会迫使美国和其他西方国家重新考虑对乌克兰的军事支持。
新原则规定，如果俄罗斯或白俄罗斯遭受常规武器攻击，且这种攻击对其主权或领土完整造成“严重威胁”，莫斯科将有权考虑采取核选择。
Additionally, any act of aggression by a non-nuclear state with the participation of a nuclear state against Russia will now be regarded as a joint attack and could also trigger the new doctrine.
Following the publication of the revised rules, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov explained that the new doctrine effectively gives Russia the right to consider a nuclear response to the use of Western-supplied non-nuclear missiles by Kiev against Russian territories.
此外，任何无核国家在有核国家参与的情况下对俄罗斯采取的侵略行为都将被视为联合攻击，并可能触发新的原则。
修订规则公布后，克里姆林宫发言人德米特里·佩斯科夫解释说，新规则实际上赋予俄罗斯对基辅使用西方提供的非核导弹袭击俄罗斯领土考虑采取核报复的权利。
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Following the publication of the revised rules, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov explained that the new doctrine effectively gives Russia the right to consider a nuclear response to the use of Western-supplied non-nuclear missiles by Kiev against Russian territories.
此外，任何无核国家在有核国家参与的情况下对俄罗斯采取的侵略行为都将被视为联合攻击，并可能触发新的原则。
修订规则公布后，克里姆林宫发言人德米特里·佩斯科夫解释说，新规则实际上赋予俄罗斯对基辅使用西方提供的非核导弹袭击俄罗斯领土考虑采取核报复的权利。
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According to author and war correspondent Thomas Roeper, outgoing President Joe Biden is making it difficult for President-elect Donald Trump to find a peaceful solution to the Ukraine conflict. “This decision... [allowing Ukraine to shoot] at Russia with long-distance rockets, and the possible answer of Russia, will make it more complicated for Trump to get out of this conflict,” he told RT on Tuesday.
While Russian President Vladimir Putin has tried to be cautious throughout the Ukraine conflict to avoid escalation, the current US administration seems to be doing the opposite, according to political strategist and commentator Anthony Webber.
据作家兼战地记者托马斯·罗珀称，即将离任的总统乔·拜登让当选总统唐纳德·特朗普难以找到乌克兰冲突的和平解决方案。
他周二对 RT 表示：“这一决定……（允许乌克兰向俄罗斯发射远程火箭），以及俄罗斯可能采取的回应，将使特朗普摆脱这场冲突变得更加复杂。”
政治策略师兼评论员安东尼·韦伯表示，尽管俄罗斯总统弗拉基米尔·普京在整个乌克兰冲突期间都试图保持谨慎，以避免局势升级，但现任美国政府似乎却在做相反的事情。
While Russian President Vladimir Putin has tried to be cautious throughout the Ukraine conflict to avoid escalation, the current US administration seems to be doing the opposite, according to political strategist and commentator Anthony Webber.
据作家兼战地记者托马斯·罗珀称，即将离任的总统乔·拜登让当选总统唐纳德·特朗普难以找到乌克兰冲突的和平解决方案。
他周二对 RT 表示：“这一决定……（允许乌克兰向俄罗斯发射远程火箭），以及俄罗斯可能采取的回应，将使特朗普摆脱这场冲突变得更加复杂。”
政治策略师兼评论员安东尼·韦伯表示，尽管俄罗斯总统弗拉基米尔·普京在整个乌克兰冲突期间都试图保持谨慎，以避免局势升级，但现任美国政府似乎却在做相反的事情。
“Who knows who’s actually in charge in Washington, but it’s certainly a very reckless decision [to allow Ukraine to use American long-range missiles to strike Russian territory], and encourages some reckless politicians in Europe to follow suit,” he told RT.
Former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev, who is now the deputy chairman of the National Security Council, said the new rules have the potential to trigger a third world war if Kiev decides to use NATO weapons to attack Russia.
他告诉 RT：“谁知道华盛顿实际上谁在掌权，但这无疑是一个非常鲁莽的决定（允许乌克兰使用美国远程导弹袭击俄罗斯领土），并鼓励欧洲一些鲁莽的政客效仿。”
俄罗斯前总统、现任国家安全委员会副主席德米特里·梅德韦杰夫表示，如果基辅决定使用北约武器攻击俄罗斯，新规定有可能引发第三次世界大战。
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Former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev, who is now the deputy chairman of the National Security Council, said the new rules have the potential to trigger a third world war if Kiev decides to use NATO weapons to attack Russia.
他告诉 RT：“谁知道华盛顿实际上谁在掌权，但这无疑是一个非常鲁莽的决定（允许乌克兰使用美国远程导弹袭击俄罗斯领土），并鼓励欧洲一些鲁莽的政客效仿。”
俄罗斯前总统、现任国家安全委员会副主席德米特里·梅德韦杰夫表示，如果基辅决定使用北约武器攻击俄罗斯，新规定有可能引发第三次世界大战。
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“In this case, the right arises to launch a retaliatory strike with weapons of mass destruction against Kiev and the main NATO facilities, wherever they are. And this is already WWIII,” he wrote on his Telegram channel, warning that Ukraine and its allies should be prepared for such retaliatory measures.
Andrey Klimov, who serves as the deputy chairman of parliamentary international affairs committee, said the provisions of the revised doctrine would likely be “carefully studied in the near future in unfriendly states,” and expressed hope that they will draw the appropriate conclusions and realize that “one should not play with fire.”
“在这种情况下，我们就有权利对基辅和北约主要设施（无论它们位于何处）发动大规模杀伤性武器的报复性打击。这已经是第三次世界大战了，”他在自己的电报频道上写道，并警告乌克兰及其盟友应该为此类报复措施做好准备。
俄罗斯议会国际事务委员会副主席安德烈·克里莫夫表示，修订后的《条约》的规定很可能“在不久的将来得到不友好国家的仔细研究”，并表示希望他们得出适当的结论，并意识到“不应该玩火”。
Andrey Klimov, who serves as the deputy chairman of parliamentary international affairs committee, said the provisions of the revised doctrine would likely be “carefully studied in the near future in unfriendly states,” and expressed hope that they will draw the appropriate conclusions and realize that “one should not play with fire.”
“在这种情况下，我们就有权利对基辅和北约主要设施（无论它们位于何处）发动大规模杀伤性武器的报复性打击。这已经是第三次世界大战了，”他在自己的电报频道上写道，并警告乌克兰及其盟友应该为此类报复措施做好准备。
俄罗斯议会国际事务委员会副主席安德烈·克里莫夫表示，修订后的《条约》的规定很可能“在不久的将来得到不友好国家的仔细研究”，并表示希望他们得出适当的结论，并意识到“不应该玩火”。
The deputy head of the State Duma Defense Committee, Yuri Shvytkin, has also claimed that France and the UK should now realize that any attack on Russia using their weapons would immediately draw a retaliation from Moscow.
“I think that an unambiguous, clear signal has been given to Western countries about the inadmissibility of supplying these types of weapons to the Ukrainian Armed Forces militants,” Shvytkin said.
国家杜马国防委员会副主席尤里·什维特金也声称，法国和英国现在应该意识到，任何使用其武器袭击俄罗斯的行为都会立即遭到莫斯科的报复。
什维特金说：“我认为，我们向西方国家发出了明确、清晰的信号，不允许向乌克兰武装部队武装分子提供此类武器。”
“I think that an unambiguous, clear signal has been given to Western countries about the inadmissibility of supplying these types of weapons to the Ukrainian Armed Forces militants,” Shvytkin said.
国家杜马国防委员会副主席尤里·什维特金也声称，法国和英国现在应该意识到，任何使用其武器袭击俄罗斯的行为都会立即遭到莫斯科的报复。
什维特金说：“我认为，我们向西方国家发出了明确、清晰的信号，不允许向乌克兰武装部队武装分子提供此类武器。”
Meanwhile, the head of the Federation Council Committee on Defense and Security, Vladimir Bulavin, told TASS that Moscow continues to see nuclear weapons exclusively as an instrument of deterrence and considers their use only as a last resort.
He explained that the new rules were aimed at “ensuring strategic stability and predictability,” and do not imply “an automatic change in the nature of the actions being taken.”
与此同时，俄罗斯联邦委员会国防和安全委员会主席弗拉基米尔·布拉文告诉塔斯社，莫斯科仍然将核武器视为一种唯一的威慑手段，并认为使用核武器只是最后的手段。
他解释说，新规则旨在“确保战略稳定和可预见性”，并不意味着“正在采取的行动性质会自动改变”。
He explained that the new rules were aimed at “ensuring strategic stability and predictability,” and do not imply “an automatic change in the nature of the actions being taken.”
与此同时，俄罗斯联邦委员会国防和安全委员会主席弗拉基米尔·布拉文告诉塔斯社，莫斯科仍然将核武器视为一种唯一的威慑手段，并认为使用核武器只是最后的手段。
他解释说，新规则旨在“确保战略稳定和可预见性”，并不意味着“正在采取的行动性质会自动改变”。
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TBTB
For deterrence to be credible, Russia must enforce the red lines it has already established. Biden has challenged Putin. If Russia does not respond, it will encourage the cabal to escalate further. Time to drop the hammer on the war criminals!
为了使威慑可信，俄罗斯必须执行已经确定的红线。拜登已经向普京发起挑战。如果俄罗斯不回应，它将鼓励阴谋集团进一步升级。是时候对战犯施以重击了！
For deterrence to be credible, Russia must enforce the red lines it has already established. Biden has challenged Putin. If Russia does not respond, it will encourage the cabal to escalate further. Time to drop the hammer on the war criminals!
为了使威慑可信，俄罗斯必须执行已经确定的红线。拜登已经向普京发起挑战。如果俄罗斯不回应，它将鼓励阴谋集团进一步升级。是时候对战犯施以重击了！
Marcel Bruinsma
TBTB, You are right. The USA keeps escalating and the Russians keep warning. The Americans know it's just words so they go on escalating in small steps as they did over the whole period of the SMO.
你说得对。美国不断升级，俄罗斯不断发出警告。美国人知道这只是说说而已，所以他们继续小步升级，就像他们在整个“特别军事行动”期间所做的那样。
TBTB, You are right. The USA keeps escalating and the Russians keep warning. The Americans know it's just words so they go on escalating in small steps as they did over the whole period of the SMO.
你说得对。美国不断升级，俄罗斯不断发出警告。美国人知道这只是说说而已，所以他们继续小步升级，就像他们在整个“特别军事行动”期间所做的那样。
MisterX
I think the Houthis needs the Russian S-400 anti aircraft system, North Korea also.
我认为胡塞武装需要俄罗斯的 S-400 防空系统，朝鲜也需要。
I think the Houthis needs the Russian S-400 anti aircraft system, North Korea also.
我认为胡塞武装需要俄罗斯的 S-400 防空系统，朝鲜也需要。
equityforall
To clarify my earlier comment, Russian submarines should be surfaced in international waters along the U.S. eastern seaboard.
为了澄清我之前的评论，俄罗斯潜艇应该出现在美国东海岸的国际水域上。
To clarify my earlier comment, Russian submarines should be surfaced in international waters along the U.S. eastern seaboard.
为了澄清我之前的评论，俄罗斯潜艇应该出现在美国东海岸的国际水域上。
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MisterX
Russia should sell the SU-35 and SU-57 to North Korea, among other nice things.
俄罗斯应该向朝鲜出售苏-35和苏-57以及其他好东西。
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MisterX
Russia should sell the SU-35 and SU-57 to North Korea, among other nice things.
俄罗斯应该向朝鲜出售苏-35和苏-57以及其他好东西。
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Fritz Wunderlich
MisterX, Since these weapons (SU-35/57) didn’t help much in Ukraine it wouldn't help North Korea.
由于这些武器（SU-35/57）在乌克兰没有没起到多大作用，因此对朝鲜也没有帮助。
MisterX, Since these weapons (SU-35/57) didn’t help much in Ukraine it wouldn't help North Korea.
由于这些武器（SU-35/57）在乌克兰没有没起到多大作用，因此对朝鲜也没有帮助。
Limeybastard
MisterX, Yep. Long overdue to sell weapons to its friends. Even the Hourthis should get some good weapons
是的。早就该向其朋友出售武器了。即使是胡塞武装也应该得到一些好武器
MisterX, Yep. Long overdue to sell weapons to its friends. Even the Hourthis should get some good weapons
是的。早就该向其朋友出售武器了。即使是胡塞武装也应该得到一些好武器
Visbhume
Fritz Wunderlich, Did it hurt when you were dropped on your head as a small child?
你小时候脑袋摔到地上时疼吗？
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Fritz Wunderlich, Did it hurt when you were dropped on your head as a small child?
你小时候脑袋摔到地上时疼吗？
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opinions
Russia must defend their land ; This has nothing to be "someone gives you the right". Russia is not Israel that is placed on stolen land by the "law-folloving" us controlled UN.
俄罗斯必须保卫自己的土地；这绝不是“别人给你权利”。俄罗斯不是以色列，以色列被“遵纪守法”的美国控制的联合国安置在偷来的土地上。
opinions
Russia must defend their land ; This has nothing to be "someone gives you the right". Russia is not Israel that is placed on stolen land by the "law-folloving" us controlled UN.
俄罗斯必须保卫自己的土地；这绝不是“别人给你权利”。俄罗斯不是以色列，以色列被“遵纪守法”的美国控制的联合国安置在偷来的土地上。
Andrew65
Russia doesn't have to start with nuclear, there is so much choice! Imagine what will happen to the West if all trans-Atlantic cable network blows-up one day! NS pipeline will look like a kid's toy in comparison!
俄罗斯不必从核武器开始，还有这么多选择！想象一下，如果有一天整个跨大西洋电缆网络都爆炸了，西方会发生什么！相比之下，北溪管道看起来就像孩子的玩具！
Russia doesn't have to start with nuclear, there is so much choice! Imagine what will happen to the West if all trans-Atlantic cable network blows-up one day! NS pipeline will look like a kid's toy in comparison!
俄罗斯不必从核武器开始，还有这么多选择！想象一下，如果有一天整个跨大西洋电缆网络都爆炸了，西方会发生什么！相比之下，北溪管道看起来就像孩子的玩具！
Rodstones.
Andrew65, The Russians have goodwill for peace, but when pushed to the wall they have the capacity to wreck irreparable damages to the west and there ain't anything the can do about. NATO is just bullshit when compared with Russia and its allies as well, article 6 can be envoke. What would complicate the western dielemma is that some countries in Europe will not a party to the impending war they are brewing deliberately. Infact am not even certain that America with its dielemma and quagmire economically will not be too active, thus once again throwing the European continent under the bus.
俄罗斯人对和平怀有善意，但当他们被逼入绝境时，他们有能力对西方造成无法弥补的损害，而他们对此无能为力。与俄罗斯及其盟友相比，北约简直就是一派胡言，可以援引第六条。让西方困境更加复杂的是，欧洲一些国家不会参与他们蓄意挑起的战争。事实上，我甚至不确定经济上陷入困境和泥潭的美国会不会过于积极，从而再次把欧洲大陆置于危险之中。
Andrew65, The Russians have goodwill for peace, but when pushed to the wall they have the capacity to wreck irreparable damages to the west and there ain't anything the can do about. NATO is just bullshit when compared with Russia and its allies as well, article 6 can be envoke. What would complicate the western dielemma is that some countries in Europe will not a party to the impending war they are brewing deliberately. Infact am not even certain that America with its dielemma and quagmire economically will not be too active, thus once again throwing the European continent under the bus.
俄罗斯人对和平怀有善意，但当他们被逼入绝境时，他们有能力对西方造成无法弥补的损害，而他们对此无能为力。与俄罗斯及其盟友相比，北约简直就是一派胡言，可以援引第六条。让西方困境更加复杂的是，欧洲一些国家不会参与他们蓄意挑起的战争。事实上，我甚至不确定经济上陷入困境和泥潭的美国会不会过于积极，从而再次把欧洲大陆置于危险之中。
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Peace101
This provocation has only ONE purpose: Provoke Putin into retaliating against the U.S. in some way. That way U.S. NeoCons can demand that Trump respond to the retaliation with more retaliation in order to keep their war on Russia alive.
这次挑衅只有一个目的：激怒普京，迫使他以某种方式对美国进行报复。这样，美国新保守主义者就可以要求特朗普以更多的报复来回应报复，以保持他们对俄罗斯的战争。
Peace101
This provocation has only ONE purpose: Provoke Putin into retaliating against the U.S. in some way. That way U.S. NeoCons can demand that Trump respond to the retaliation with more retaliation in order to keep their war on Russia alive.
这次挑衅只有一个目的：激怒普京，迫使他以某种方式对美国进行报复。这样，美国新保守主义者就可以要求特朗普以更多的报复来回应报复，以保持他们对俄罗斯的战争。
SintGeorgeTheDragonSlayer
Peace101, A scenario: Biden administration plan is to provoke RF into militarily responding against a NATO country in responding to Kiev-an regime missile attacks directed on RF territory; Biden regime is likely doing yet again this 'about change' on missiles, in yet again another reckless, outrageous and highly dangerous act against all life on earth, in order to put the U.S. on an official 'war footing' before Trump administration takes office - thus, Biden admin can have a reason to cancel [?] the changeover of power from Biden to Trump?
一种情形是：拜登政府的计划是激怒俄罗斯对北约国家采取军事行动，以回应基辅政权针对俄罗斯领土的导弹袭击；拜登政权很可能再次在导弹上做出这种“改变”，再次对地球上的所有生命采取鲁莽、无耻和高度危险的行为，以便在特朗普政府上任前让美国进入正式的“战争状态”——这样，拜登政府就有理由取消从拜登到特朗普的权力交接？
Peace101, A scenario: Biden administration plan is to provoke RF into militarily responding against a NATO country in responding to Kiev-an regime missile attacks directed on RF territory; Biden regime is likely doing yet again this 'about change' on missiles, in yet again another reckless, outrageous and highly dangerous act against all life on earth, in order to put the U.S. on an official 'war footing' before Trump administration takes office - thus, Biden admin can have a reason to cancel [?] the changeover of power from Biden to Trump?
一种情形是：拜登政府的计划是激怒俄罗斯对北约国家采取军事行动，以回应基辅政权针对俄罗斯领土的导弹袭击；拜登政权很可能再次在导弹上做出这种“改变”，再次对地球上的所有生命采取鲁莽、无耻和高度危险的行为，以便在特朗普政府上任前让美国进入正式的“战争状态”——这样，拜登政府就有理由取消从拜登到特朗普的权力交接？
TheRealJackieOwl
Peace101, So what? It’s obvious the neoliberals do not believe tgat Russia will retaliate. Use a 25 megaton bomb on NYC eith a pre announcement that it is a measured response to four years of American & NATO aggression. Any further acts will generate an all out response, turning the US and its allies into a radioactive deserts
那又怎么样？显然，新自由主义者不相信俄罗斯会报复。在纽约投放一枚 25 兆吨炸弹，并提前宣布这是对美国和北约四年侵略的有分寸的回应。任何进一步的行动都会引起全面回应，将美国及其盟友变成放射性沙漠
Peace101, So what? It’s obvious the neoliberals do not believe tgat Russia will retaliate. Use a 25 megaton bomb on NYC eith a pre announcement that it is a measured response to four years of American & NATO aggression. Any further acts will generate an all out response, turning the US and its allies into a radioactive deserts
那又怎么样？显然，新自由主义者不相信俄罗斯会报复。在纽约投放一枚 25 兆吨炸弹，并提前宣布这是对美国和北约四年侵略的有分寸的回应。任何进一步的行动都会引起全面回应，将美国及其盟友变成放射性沙漠
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Packard Day
No one can ever say that they were not warned.
没有人可以说他们没有受到警告。
Packard Day
No one can ever say that they were not warned.
没有人可以说他们没有受到警告。
Marcel Bruinsma
Americans and their NATO chihuahua's don't care about your doctrines. They only understand raw power. You need to show them you mean it and don't only talk.
美国人和他们的北约吉娃娃不在乎你的学说。他们只懂得赤裸裸的力量。你需要向他们表明你是认真的，而不是只会说说而已。
Americans and their NATO chihuahua's don't care about your doctrines. They only understand raw power. You need to show them you mean it and don't only talk.
美国人和他们的北约吉娃娃不在乎你的学说。他们只懂得赤裸裸的力量。你需要向他们表明你是认真的，而不是只会说说而已。
Morbid Angel
But Zelensky regime already fired 6 ATACMS... what is the response?
但泽连斯基政权已经发射了6枚弹道导弹……反应如何？
But Zelensky regime already fired 6 ATACMS... what is the response?
但泽连斯基政权已经发射了6枚弹道导弹……反应如何？
Clint2023
Morbid Angel, It didn't take long to call the bluff. There will be some vague threat about future actions at a time and place of their own choosing. It's become a tragic comedy.
虚张声势没有多久。在他们自己选择的时间和地点，会有一些关于未来行动的模糊威胁。这已经成为一出悲喜剧。
Morbid Angel, It didn't take long to call the bluff. There will be some vague threat about future actions at a time and place of their own choosing. It's become a tragic comedy.
虚张声势没有多久。在他们自己选择的时间和地点，会有一些关于未来行动的模糊威胁。这已经成为一出悲喜剧。
Once
Russia has been playing around in Ukraine for too long. Now it's time to get to work and destroy it and seize as much land as possible to ensure Russia's security.
俄罗斯在乌克兰玩得太久了。现在是时候开始行动，摧毁它并夺取尽可能多的土地，以确保俄罗斯的安全。
Russia has been playing around in Ukraine for too long. Now it's time to get to work and destroy it and seize as much land as possible to ensure Russia's security.
俄罗斯在乌克兰玩得太久了。现在是时候开始行动，摧毁它并夺取尽可能多的土地，以确保俄罗斯的安全。
TheTruthHurtsButItsWorthIt
Once, Ukraine is on a clock. 2 months Trump takes over and the entire money laundering scheme collapses.
乌克兰的时间紧迫。特朗普上台两个月后，整个洗钱计划就会崩溃。
Once, Ukraine is on a clock. 2 months Trump takes over and the entire money laundering scheme collapses.
乌克兰的时间紧迫。特朗普上台两个月后，整个洗钱计划就会崩溃。
Capetown_Rock
I hate to say it they just did Sir Medvedev now time for you guys to respond.
我不想这么说，他们刚才确实这么做了，梅德韦杰夫爵士，现在是你们做出回应的时候了。
I hate to say it they just did Sir Medvedev now time for you guys to respond.
我不想这么说，他们刚才确实这么做了，梅德韦杰夫爵士，现在是你们做出回应的时候了。
Hanonymouse
"will likely force the US and other Western nations to reconsider their military support for Ukraine" Hahaha, dream on. They are convinced now that Russia is weak and they think they can get away with anything now. These are not reasonable people who can be negotiated with. They see themselves as superior. The only thing that will change that is throwing them on the ground. Then they might wake up and realize that they can't always win.
“可能会迫使美国和其他西方国家重新考虑对乌克兰的军事支持”哈哈哈，做梦吧。他们现在确信俄罗斯很弱，他们认为现在他们可以逃脱任何惩罚。这些人不是可以谈判的通情达理的人。他们自视高人一等。唯一能改变这种状况的就是把他们打倒在地。然后他们可能会醒悟过来，意识到他们并不总是能赢。
"will likely force the US and other Western nations to reconsider their military support for Ukraine" Hahaha, dream on. They are convinced now that Russia is weak and they think they can get away with anything now. These are not reasonable people who can be negotiated with. They see themselves as superior. The only thing that will change that is throwing them on the ground. Then they might wake up and realize that they can't always win.
“可能会迫使美国和其他西方国家重新考虑对乌克兰的军事支持”哈哈哈，做梦吧。他们现在确信俄罗斯很弱，他们认为现在他们可以逃脱任何惩罚。这些人不是可以谈判的通情达理的人。他们自视高人一等。唯一能改变这种状况的就是把他们打倒在地。然后他们可能会醒悟过来，意识到他们并不总是能赢。
Me1
Ukraine is happy to be the experiment
乌克兰乐意成为实验对象
Ukraine is happy to be the experiment
乌克兰乐意成为实验对象
MisterX
War rule nr. 1 : "never tell your enemy about your plans"
战争规则一：“永远不要告诉你的敌人你的计划”
War rule nr. 1 : "never tell your enemy about your plans"
战争规则一：“永远不要告诉你的敌人你的计划”
Peace101
MisterX, In this case, the enemy is not Russia. It is Trump. And they are doing all they can to insure he does not end their war on Russia.
在这种情况下，敌人不是俄罗斯，而是特朗普。他们正在竭尽全力确保特朗普不会结束对俄罗斯的战争。
MisterX, In this case, the enemy is not Russia. It is Trump. And they are doing all they can to insure he does not end their war on Russia.
在这种情况下，敌人不是俄罗斯，而是特朗普。他们正在竭尽全力确保特朗普不会结束对俄罗斯的战争。
Quentin Holt
The deterrence of Mutually Assured Destruction refers to ICBMs, not battlefield/tactical nuclear weapons.
If this conflict goes nuclear it'll probably go to battlefield nuclear weapons first.
Russia has been expecting this - long range missile attacks against Russia operated by American military forces - for a while so i'd guess we'll have to see what Russia's response will be.
At the moment the USA is the only NATO nation firing missiles at Russia.
Its a dramatic escalation but not unexpected.
If other NATO nations take a step back by not allowing their armed forces to operate missiles against Russia it'd be a move in the right direction.
These are acts of war and Russia would be entitled to defend itself by stopping those armed forces but if that includes long range strikes against NATO forces in England, France and Germany Article 5 would be invoked, effectively forcing NATO into a war with Russia that most people in Europe dont want.
They've already had two world wars in a hundred years.
This one could be more serious than the last two put together.
相互确保摧毁的威慑指的是洲际弹道导弹，而不是战场/战术核武器。
如果这场冲突演变成核战争，很可能首先会演变成战场核武器。
俄罗斯已经预料到这种情况了——美国军队对俄罗斯发动远程导弹袭击——所以我想我们得看看俄罗斯会作何反应。
目前，美国是唯一向俄罗斯发射导弹的北约国家。
这是一次戏剧性的升级，但并不出人意料。
如果其他北约国家退一步，不允许其武装部队对俄罗斯发射导弹，这将是朝着正确方向迈出的一步。
这些都是战争行为，俄罗斯有权通过阻止这些武装力量来保卫自己，但如果这包括对英国、法国和德国的北约部队进行远程打击，则将援引第五条，实际上迫使北约与俄罗斯陷入一场大多数欧洲人不希望看到的战争。
一百年来，他们已经经历过两次世界大战。
这次可能比前两次加起来还要严重。
The deterrence of Mutually Assured Destruction refers to ICBMs, not battlefield/tactical nuclear weapons.
If this conflict goes nuclear it'll probably go to battlefield nuclear weapons first.
Russia has been expecting this - long range missile attacks against Russia operated by American military forces - for a while so i'd guess we'll have to see what Russia's response will be.
At the moment the USA is the only NATO nation firing missiles at Russia.
Its a dramatic escalation but not unexpected.
If other NATO nations take a step back by not allowing their armed forces to operate missiles against Russia it'd be a move in the right direction.
These are acts of war and Russia would be entitled to defend itself by stopping those armed forces but if that includes long range strikes against NATO forces in England, France and Germany Article 5 would be invoked, effectively forcing NATO into a war with Russia that most people in Europe dont want.
They've already had two world wars in a hundred years.
This one could be more serious than the last two put together.
相互确保摧毁的威慑指的是洲际弹道导弹，而不是战场/战术核武器。
如果这场冲突演变成核战争，很可能首先会演变成战场核武器。
俄罗斯已经预料到这种情况了——美国军队对俄罗斯发动远程导弹袭击——所以我想我们得看看俄罗斯会作何反应。
目前，美国是唯一向俄罗斯发射导弹的北约国家。
这是一次戏剧性的升级，但并不出人意料。
如果其他北约国家退一步，不允许其武装部队对俄罗斯发射导弹，这将是朝着正确方向迈出的一步。
这些都是战争行为，俄罗斯有权通过阻止这些武装力量来保卫自己，但如果这包括对英国、法国和德国的北约部队进行远程打击，则将援引第五条，实际上迫使北约与俄罗斯陷入一场大多数欧洲人不希望看到的战争。
一百年来，他们已经经历过两次世界大战。
这次可能比前两次加起来还要严重。
Shivermetimbers
Quentin Holt, The US started this war let them finish it
美国挑起了这场战争，让他们结束吧
Quentin Holt, The US started this war let them finish it
美国挑起了这场战争，让他们结束吧
Rabelais
This sadly should have been done 16 years ago !!!!! when NATO held a reunx in Kiev announcing its plan to install there a puppet regime ... Contrary to the myth, NATO announced its intention of NATO expansion in spring 2008 in Kiev.. The policy should have been changed just as the event took place. Maidan zionist neocon nazi coup was planned well ahead and it took 16 years and all this time for them to finally wake up.. In a certain way it is sad it tool all this time for Russia to understand this and react instead of going ahead of the blows.... There was in the past way too passivity in Russia when it came to foreign policy and it is still partly corrected...... You do not dialogue with people that want to destroy you. That is what NATO intends to do to Russians and Russia.
可悲的是，16年前就应该这样做了！！！当北约在基辅举行会议宣布计划在那里建立傀儡政权时...与传言相反，北约于 2008 年春季在基辅宣布了其北约扩张的意图。核武器政策应该在事件发生时就改变。
独立广场犹太复国主义新保守主义纳粹政变早就计划好了，他们花了16年的时间才幡然醒悟。从某种程度上说，令人悲哀的是，俄罗斯花了这么长时间才认识到这一点并做出反应，而不是先发制人……
俄罗斯过去在外交政策方面过于被动，现在正在部分纠正......你不会与想要摧毁你的人对话。这就是北约打算对俄罗斯人和俄罗斯做的事情。
This sadly should have been done 16 years ago !!!!! when NATO held a reunx in Kiev announcing its plan to install there a puppet regime ... Contrary to the myth, NATO announced its intention of NATO expansion in spring 2008 in Kiev.. The policy should have been changed just as the event took place. Maidan zionist neocon nazi coup was planned well ahead and it took 16 years and all this time for them to finally wake up.. In a certain way it is sad it tool all this time for Russia to understand this and react instead of going ahead of the blows.... There was in the past way too passivity in Russia when it came to foreign policy and it is still partly corrected...... You do not dialogue with people that want to destroy you. That is what NATO intends to do to Russians and Russia.
可悲的是，16年前就应该这样做了！！！当北约在基辅举行会议宣布计划在那里建立傀儡政权时...与传言相反，北约于 2008 年春季在基辅宣布了其北约扩张的意图。核武器政策应该在事件发生时就改变。
独立广场犹太复国主义新保守主义纳粹政变早就计划好了，他们花了16年的时间才幡然醒悟。从某种程度上说，令人悲哀的是，俄罗斯花了这么长时间才认识到这一点并做出反应，而不是先发制人……
俄罗斯过去在外交政策方面过于被动，现在正在部分纠正......你不会与想要摧毁你的人对话。这就是北约打算对俄罗斯人和俄罗斯做的事情。
lovethyneighbour
Rabelais, Russian leadership was the perfect and successful target which could be won by the relentless propaganda, glitz-blitz of the west for so many decades, starting from the days of the nascent period of Soviet power. Successful visible fruits were the likes of traitor gorbachev, yeltsin et al. The other echelon took so much time to realise after the haze of the charm of western values started to dissipate. Now i hope full realisation has dawned on the leadership and the people, barring the agents, fifth columns, and a portion of elites. Still then hesitation and half-hearted measures strengthened the enemies. Perhaps there's no more scope to look back. Act and do it decisively.
俄罗斯领导层是完美而成功的目标，从苏联政权初期开始，西方数十年来的不懈宣传和炫耀都成功征服了俄罗斯领导层。成功的明显成果是叛徒戈尔巴乔夫、叶利钦等人。在西方价值观魅力的迷雾开始消散之后，另一梯队花了很长时间才意识到这一点。现在我希望领导层和人民（除了特工、第五纵队和一部分精英）已经完全意识到了这一点。然而，犹豫不决和三心二意的措施却增强了敌人的力量。也许已经没有回头的余地了。行动起来，果断行动。
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Rabelais, Russian leadership was the perfect and successful target which could be won by the relentless propaganda, glitz-blitz of the west for so many decades, starting from the days of the nascent period of Soviet power. Successful visible fruits were the likes of traitor gorbachev, yeltsin et al. The other echelon took so much time to realise after the haze of the charm of western values started to dissipate. Now i hope full realisation has dawned on the leadership and the people, barring the agents, fifth columns, and a portion of elites. Still then hesitation and half-hearted measures strengthened the enemies. Perhaps there's no more scope to look back. Act and do it decisively.
俄罗斯领导层是完美而成功的目标，从苏联政权初期开始，西方数十年来的不懈宣传和炫耀都成功征服了俄罗斯领导层。成功的明显成果是叛徒戈尔巴乔夫、叶利钦等人。在西方价值观魅力的迷雾开始消散之后，另一梯队花了很长时间才意识到这一点。现在我希望领导层和人民（除了特工、第五纵队和一部分精英）已经完全意识到了这一点。然而，犹豫不决和三心二意的措施却增强了敌人的力量。也许已经没有回头的余地了。行动起来，果断行动。
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Mongo
Russia is run by humans. Not criminally insane lizard people. If you keep poking the bear bad things will happen
俄罗斯是由人类统治的。而不是穷凶极恶的蜥蜴人。如果你继续惹熊，坏事就会发生
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Russia is run by humans. Not criminally insane lizard people. If you keep poking the bear bad things will happen
俄罗斯是由人类统治的。而不是穷凶极恶的蜥蜴人。如果你继续惹熊，坏事就会发生
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vojn95674
Americans understand it and don't care.
美国人明白这一点，但并不在乎。
Americans understand it and don't care.
美国人明白这一点，但并不在乎。
End game
Lot of red lines crossed and doctrine invoked now time for action
很多红线已经被跨越，原则被援引，现在是时候采取行动了
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Lot of red lines crossed and doctrine invoked now time for action
很多红线已经被跨越，原则被援引，现在是时候采取行动了
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UNCENSORED
The jewish deep state desperately trying to start a nuclear conflict in europe before Trump takes office...Hope if it happens Russia retaliates in the true origins too which is New York & Washington !
在特朗普上任之前，犹太深层政府拼命想在欧洲挑起核冲突......如果发生这种情况，希望俄罗斯也会在真正的起源地即纽约和华盛顿进行报复！
The jewish deep state desperately trying to start a nuclear conflict in europe before Trump takes office...Hope if it happens Russia retaliates in the true origins too which is New York & Washington !
在特朗普上任之前，犹太深层政府拼命想在欧洲挑起核冲突......如果发生这种情况，希望俄罗斯也会在真正的起源地即纽约和华盛顿进行报复！
MisterX
I think the Houthis need some anti ship missiles...
我认为胡塞武装需要一些反舰导弹……
I think the Houthis need some anti ship missiles...
我认为胡塞武装需要一些反舰导弹……
Sonia
Houti, Iran and NK can expect a big shipment of Khinzal...
胡塞、伊朗和朝鲜有望迎来大批“匕首”导弹……
Houti, Iran and NK can expect a big shipment of Khinzal...
胡塞、伊朗和朝鲜有望迎来大批“匕首”导弹……
MisterX
Russia should develop the good old "Tsar Bomb" again, but make it 60 megaton this time.
俄罗斯应该再次研制老牌的“沙皇炸弹”，但这次要将其威力增强到60兆吨。
Russia should develop the good old "Tsar Bomb" again, but make it 60 megaton this time.
俄罗斯应该再次研制老牌的“沙皇炸弹”，但这次要将其威力增强到60兆吨。
Wakeup-Speakup
MisterX, It would certainly get their attention...
这肯定会引起他们的注意...
MisterX, It would certainly get their attention...
这肯定会引起他们的注意...
Peace101
Yes, this was done to make it harder for Trump to bring peace to the region (especially if Russia kills a single American in response).
No, Biden does not want to make this aggressive U.S. move against Russia public. Why? Because he knows it is wrong. But, he and American NeoCons are in this up to their hips and a Trump Peace Deal would be their worst nightmare. So, they are doing all they can to insure that it does not happen.
是的，这样做是为了让特朗普更难为该地区带来和平（特别是如果俄罗斯作为回应杀死一名美国人的话）。
不，拜登不想公开美国对俄罗斯的这一激进举动。为什么？因为他知道这是错误的。但是，他和美国新保守主义者都深陷其中，特朗普和平协议将是他们最可怕的噩梦。所以，他们正在尽一切努力确保这种情况不会发生。
Yes, this was done to make it harder for Trump to bring peace to the region (especially if Russia kills a single American in response).
No, Biden does not want to make this aggressive U.S. move against Russia public. Why? Because he knows it is wrong. But, he and American NeoCons are in this up to their hips and a Trump Peace Deal would be their worst nightmare. So, they are doing all they can to insure that it does not happen.
是的，这样做是为了让特朗普更难为该地区带来和平（特别是如果俄罗斯作为回应杀死一名美国人的话）。
不，拜登不想公开美国对俄罗斯的这一激进举动。为什么？因为他知道这是错误的。但是，他和美国新保守主义者都深陷其中，特朗普和平协议将是他们最可怕的噩梦。所以，他们正在尽一切努力确保这种情况不会发生。
equityforall
To give emphasis to the revised Russian Nuclear Doctrine, Russia should surface several submarines along the eastern seaboard of the United States to show that it means what it says. No longer will world wars be fought somewhere, “over there”.
为了强调俄罗斯修改后的核政策，俄罗斯应该在美国东海岸部署数艘潜艇，以表明俄罗斯言出必行。世界大战将不在别处引爆，而是“就在美国”。
To give emphasis to the revised Russian Nuclear Doctrine, Russia should surface several submarines along the eastern seaboard of the United States to show that it means what it says. No longer will world wars be fought somewhere, “over there”.
为了强调俄罗斯修改后的核政策，俄罗斯应该在美国东海岸部署数艘潜艇，以表明俄罗斯言出必行。世界大战将不在别处引爆，而是“就在美国”。
Peace101
How should Russia respond to being bombed by Ukraine with US equipment and assistance?
1) Retaliate strongly against Zelensky (maybe carpet bomb his home town or something).
2) Do not risk any American lives in any form of retaliation -- that is what they want! Instead, take out some American infrastructure and let the world and American press know why. Say, for instance, snip a few undersea cables (which may already have happened!).
俄罗斯应该如何应对乌克兰用美国的装备和援助轰炸它？
1）对泽连斯基进行猛烈报复（也许对他的家乡进行地毯式轰炸之类的）。
2) 不要以任何形式的报复来威胁任何美国人的生命——这正是他们想要的！相反，摧毁一些美国基础设施，让世界和美国媒体知道原因。比如说，剪断几条海底电缆（这可能已经发生了！）。
How should Russia respond to being bombed by Ukraine with US equipment and assistance?
1) Retaliate strongly against Zelensky (maybe carpet bomb his home town or something).
2) Do not risk any American lives in any form of retaliation -- that is what they want! Instead, take out some American infrastructure and let the world and American press know why. Say, for instance, snip a few undersea cables (which may already have happened!).
俄罗斯应该如何应对乌克兰用美国的装备和援助轰炸它？
1）对泽连斯基进行猛烈报复（也许对他的家乡进行地毯式轰炸之类的）。
2) 不要以任何形式的报复来威胁任何美国人的生命——这正是他们想要的！相反，摧毁一些美国基础设施，让世界和美国媒体知道原因。比如说，剪断几条海底电缆（这可能已经发生了！）。
Brett Moore
The scary fact of all this is: Russia has backed down from too many "red lines" in the past and now we are at this point, Russia will have to respond with their new 'doctrine' or never be taken seriously again. Putin cannot afford this, not for the nation, certainly not for his own reputation. Whilst it is true, he has tried to avoid escalating conflicts and saving lives, the reality is quite different - the war escalated anyway and lives have been lost.
So what to do ? Wait until January when the US inauguration takes place ? Be mislead by the silly dances of US politics and talks of "impeachment" whilst Russia is peppered with rockets ? Are the incoming US administrations any different to what existed before ? Not really. So what to do ?
所有这一切的可怕事实是：俄罗斯过去已经在太多的“红线”上退缩，现在我们到了这个地步，俄罗斯必须用他们的新“学说”作出回应，否则将永远不会再被认真对待。普京承受不起这样的后果，无论是为了国家，还是为了他自己的名誉。虽然他确实试图避免冲突升级，挽救生命，但现实却大不相同——战争还是升级了，生命也因此消亡。
那么该怎么办？等到明年 1 月美国就职典礼？被美国政治的愚蠢舞蹈和“弹劾”言论所误导，而俄罗斯却被导弹持续攻击？新一届美国政府与之前有什么不同吗？其实没有。那么该怎么办？
The scary fact of all this is: Russia has backed down from too many "red lines" in the past and now we are at this point, Russia will have to respond with their new 'doctrine' or never be taken seriously again. Putin cannot afford this, not for the nation, certainly not for his own reputation. Whilst it is true, he has tried to avoid escalating conflicts and saving lives, the reality is quite different - the war escalated anyway and lives have been lost.
So what to do ? Wait until January when the US inauguration takes place ? Be mislead by the silly dances of US politics and talks of "impeachment" whilst Russia is peppered with rockets ? Are the incoming US administrations any different to what existed before ? Not really. So what to do ?
所有这一切的可怕事实是：俄罗斯过去已经在太多的“红线”上退缩，现在我们到了这个地步，俄罗斯必须用他们的新“学说”作出回应，否则将永远不会再被认真对待。普京承受不起这样的后果，无论是为了国家，还是为了他自己的名誉。虽然他确实试图避免冲突升级，挽救生命，但现实却大不相同——战争还是升级了，生命也因此消亡。
那么该怎么办？等到明年 1 月美国就职典礼？被美国政治的愚蠢舞蹈和“弹劾”言论所误导，而俄罗斯却被导弹持续攻击？新一届美国政府与之前有什么不同吗？其实没有。那么该怎么办？
I doubt Russia will launch a nuclear strike, but they will use a long range weapon of some sort and strike deep into a Nato nation - not something close, but something to show how vulnerable the "west" (NATO) is to Russia should Russia decide to strike. As to the target ? I suspect that it will depend on the weapon used, thus it might be the USA, UK or Germany.
Will that escalate into war ? Not if the missile used "could" have been nuclear. Not if the missile is untrackable and thus does not automatically trigger a WW3 response. Not if Russia gives pre warning like Israel has done on many occasions.
Whatever happens.. we are in very dangerous waters right now.
我怀疑俄罗斯是否会发动核打击，但他们会使用某种远程武器，深入打击北约国家——不是近距离打击，而是表明如果俄罗斯决定打击，“西方”（北约）在俄罗斯面前有多么脆弱。至于目标？我怀疑这取决于所使用的武器，因此可能是美国、英国或德国。
这会升级为战争吗？如果使用的导弹“可能”是核导弹，就不会。如果导弹无法追踪，就不会自动触发第三次世界大战。如果俄罗斯像以色列多次所做的那样发出预警，就不会。
无论发生什么……我们现在都处于非常危险的境地。
Will that escalate into war ? Not if the missile used "could" have been nuclear. Not if the missile is untrackable and thus does not automatically trigger a WW3 response. Not if Russia gives pre warning like Israel has done on many occasions.
Whatever happens.. we are in very dangerous waters right now.
我怀疑俄罗斯是否会发动核打击，但他们会使用某种远程武器，深入打击北约国家——不是近距离打击，而是表明如果俄罗斯决定打击，“西方”（北约）在俄罗斯面前有多么脆弱。至于目标？我怀疑这取决于所使用的武器，因此可能是美国、英国或德国。
这会升级为战争吗？如果使用的导弹“可能”是核导弹，就不会。如果导弹无法追踪，就不会自动触发第三次世界大战。如果俄罗斯像以色列多次所做的那样发出预警，就不会。
无论发生什么……我们现在都处于非常危险的境地。
Opinion123
Biden belong to a retirement horse, the president under the Oval Office desk, and pentagon planners are looking for an excuse to ruin the USA and file for bankruptcy to start fresh with with a few milions less citizens.
拜登是一匹退休的马，总统在椭圆形办公室的办公桌下，五角大楼的规划者正在寻找借口毁灭美国，申请破产，在失去几百万公民的情况下重新开始。
Biden belong to a retirement horse, the president under the Oval Office desk, and pentagon planners are looking for an excuse to ruin the USA and file for bankruptcy to start fresh with with a few milions less citizens.
拜登是一匹退休的马，总统在椭圆形办公室的办公桌下，五角大楼的规划者正在寻找借口毁灭美国，申请破产，在失去几百万公民的情况下重新开始。
freddienerk
This means little if not backed up with action.
如果没有行动支持，这一切都毫无意义。
This means little if not backed up with action.
如果没有行动支持，这一切都毫无意义。
Rabelais
freddienerk, NUKES are FINAL... Then again inaction of the other kind are indeed a fact....
核武器是终极武器...然而是另一种不作为也确实是事实....
freddienerk, NUKES are FINAL... Then again inaction of the other kind are indeed a fact....
核武器是终极武器...然而是另一种不作为也确实是事实....
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