网友讨论：为什么（国外）现在当工人这么难？
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CNBC Marathon examines some of the challenges facing the labor market such as job hunting, remote work, and quiet cutting.
A staffing firm Insight Global found that recently unemployed full-time workers applied to an average of 30 jobs, only to receive an average of four callbacks or responses. So why does it feel so hard to get a job right now and is the U.S. labor market as strong as it seems?
CNBC Marathon 探讨了当前劳动市场面临的一些挑战，如求职、远程工作和“悄悄裁员”。
一家人力资源公司 Insight Global 发现，最近失业的全职工人平均申请了30个职位，但只有平均4个回电或回应。那么，为什么现在找工作这么难？美国的劳动市场真的像看起来那样强劲吗？
CNBC Marathon examines some of the challenges facing the labor market such as job hunting, remote work, and quiet cutting.
A staffing firm Insight Global found that recently unemployed full-time workers applied to an average of 30 jobs, only to receive an average of four callbacks or responses. So why does it feel so hard to get a job right now and is the U.S. labor market as strong as it seems?
CNBC Marathon 探讨了当前劳动市场面临的一些挑战，如求职、远程工作和“悄悄裁员”。
一家人力资源公司 Insight Global 发现，最近失业的全职工人平均申请了30个职位，但只有平均4个回电或回应。那么，为什么现在找工作这么难？美国的劳动市场真的像看起来那样强劲吗？
Finding fully remote work is getting challenging. During the pandemic, remote work became the darling of the corporate world, and companies going fully remote became the new normal. As the world began to open up, though, corporate America shifted its stance on remote work. Some companies have even threatened to fire workers who don't return to the office for a certain number of days.
找到完全远程工作的机会变得越来越困难。在疫情期间，远程工作成为了企业界的宠儿，许多公司全面转向远程工作，成为了新的常态。然而，随着世界逐渐恢复开放，美国企业对远程工作的态度发生了变化。一些公司甚至威胁，如果员工不按规定的天数回到办公室，就会被解雇。
找到完全远程工作的机会变得越来越困难。在疫情期间，远程工作成为了企业界的宠儿，许多公司全面转向远程工作，成为了新的常态。然而，随着世界逐渐恢复开放，美国企业对远程工作的态度发生了变化。一些公司甚至威胁，如果员工不按规定的天数回到办公室，就会被解雇。
In the 2023 American workplace, a new labor market trend took over where quiet quitting left off, quiet cutting. "Quiet cutting is what some people consider a subcategory of quiet firing," said Nadia De Ala, a leadership and negotiation coach. This could be a sign that employers are taking back control over employees after the great resignation.
在2023年的美国职场，出现了一种新的劳动市场趋势——“悄悄裁员”，它紧随“悄悄辞职”之后。领导力和谈判教练娜迪亚·德·阿拉（Nadia De Ala）表示：“悄悄裁员是一些人认为的悄悄解雇的一个子类别。” 这可能表明，在“大辞职”之后，雇主正在重新夺回对员工的控制权。
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在2023年的美国职场，出现了一种新的劳动市场趋势——“悄悄裁员”，它紧随“悄悄辞职”之后。领导力和谈判教练娜迪亚·德·阿拉（Nadia De Ala）表示：“悄悄裁员是一些人认为的悄悄解雇的一个子类别。” 这可能表明，在“大辞职”之后，雇主正在重新夺回对员工的控制权。
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@GioAyala12
“Compared to your parents job market is a great job market” my mom bought branded new Toyota Corolla and a home in 1998 on a secretaries salary. Yeah I’m sure it’s the same. Totally.
“相比你父母那个年代，现在的就业市场是个很棒的就业市场。”我妈在1998年靠秘书的工资买了一辆全新的丰田卡罗拉和一套房子。是的，我敢肯定现在和那个时候是一样的。完全一样。
“Compared to your parents job market is a great job market” my mom bought branded new Toyota Corolla and a home in 1998 on a secretaries salary. Yeah I’m sure it’s the same. Totally.
“相比你父母那个年代，现在的就业市场是个很棒的就业市场。”我妈在1998年靠秘书的工资买了一辆全新的丰田卡罗拉和一套房子。是的，我敢肯定现在和那个时候是一样的。完全一样。
@AndrewG2.0
I went through 8 interviews with Yeti coolers for a design engineer job only to get told they chose someone internally to fill the role. Absolutely ridiculous the amount of time I wasted.
我参加了8轮Yeti Coolers的面试，申请了一个设计工程师职位，最后却被告知他们选了一个内部员工填补这个职位。简直荒谬，我浪费了这么多时间。
I went through 8 interviews with Yeti coolers for a design engineer job only to get told they chose someone internally to fill the role. Absolutely ridiculous the amount of time I wasted.
我参加了8轮Yeti Coolers的面试，申请了一个设计工程师职位，最后却被告知他们选了一个内部员工填补这个职位。简直荒谬，我浪费了这么多时间。
@lizr.9038
4 months unemployed, over 300 applications. 50 interviews 4 final rounds. FINALLY started a new job today (fully remote sr marketing) please don’t lose hope. It was a traumatic process and I felt so defeated but don’t give up
失业了4个月，申请了300多份工作，参加了50场面试，4次进入最后面试轮。终于，今天开始了一份新工作（完全远程的高级市场职位）。请不要失去希望。这个过程对我来说非常痛苦，我曾感到很沮丧，但请不要放弃。
4 months unemployed, over 300 applications. 50 interviews 4 final rounds. FINALLY started a new job today (fully remote sr marketing) please don’t lose hope. It was a traumatic process and I felt so defeated but don’t give up
失业了4个月，申请了300多份工作，参加了50场面试，4次进入最后面试轮。终于，今天开始了一份新工作（完全远程的高级市场职位）。请不要失去希望。这个过程对我来说非常痛苦，我曾感到很沮丧，但请不要放弃。
@empiricalscout4537
I was unemployed for 11 months. If anyone out there is unemployed, there is hope, don't give up!
我失业了11个月。如果有谁现在也在失业，别放弃，还有希望！
I was unemployed for 11 months. If anyone out there is unemployed, there is hope, don't give up!
我失业了11个月。如果有谁现在也在失业，别放弃，还有希望！
@Idontwantahandle3
My boss started working from home, and I was handling IT administration while everyone else were tradies. Eventually, I was the only one in the office. I asked my boss if I could work from home, but he felt uncomfortable, needing to see me in the office to know I was working. I told him that if I didn't go to the office for a week or two, he wouldn't know unless he came in. After thinking about it, he laughed and said, 'Okay, work from home.' Now, I save 3.5 hours a day - time I can use to cook a nice dinner, watch a movie, hit the gym, or spend time with friends and family. It's been life changing, it hasn't just made life a little better, it’s more than doubled it. Instead of going straight from work to bed, I actually get to live a little every afternoon.
我的老板开始在家工作，而我负责IT管理，其他人都是做技术活。最后，我成了办公室里唯一的一个。我问老板是否可以在家工作，但他觉得不舒服，觉得需要看到我在办公室才能知道我是否在工作。我告诉他，如果我一两周不去办公室，他也不会知道，除非他亲自来。想了想后，他笑了笑说：“好吧，可以在家工作。”现在，我每天节省了3.5小时——这些时间我可以用来做一顿美味的晚餐，看电影，去健身房，或者和朋友家人共度时光。这改变了我的生活，不仅仅是让生活变得更好，而是让我的生活翻倍。现在我不再是从工作直接去睡觉，而是每个下午都能稍微享受一下生活。
My boss started working from home, and I was handling IT administration while everyone else were tradies. Eventually, I was the only one in the office. I asked my boss if I could work from home, but he felt uncomfortable, needing to see me in the office to know I was working. I told him that if I didn't go to the office for a week or two, he wouldn't know unless he came in. After thinking about it, he laughed and said, 'Okay, work from home.' Now, I save 3.5 hours a day - time I can use to cook a nice dinner, watch a movie, hit the gym, or spend time with friends and family. It's been life changing, it hasn't just made life a little better, it’s more than doubled it. Instead of going straight from work to bed, I actually get to live a little every afternoon.
我的老板开始在家工作，而我负责IT管理，其他人都是做技术活。最后，我成了办公室里唯一的一个。我问老板是否可以在家工作，但他觉得不舒服，觉得需要看到我在办公室才能知道我是否在工作。我告诉他，如果我一两周不去办公室，他也不会知道，除非他亲自来。想了想后，他笑了笑说：“好吧，可以在家工作。”现在，我每天节省了3.5小时——这些时间我可以用来做一顿美味的晚餐，看电影，去健身房，或者和朋友家人共度时光。这改变了我的生活，不仅仅是让生活变得更好，而是让我的生活翻倍。现在我不再是从工作直接去睡觉，而是每个下午都能稍微享受一下生活。
@khack45456
Living costs went up 20%, pay didn't. People are working the same hours for less money. It's not difficult
生活成本上涨了20%，工资没有上涨。人们在做一样的工作，却赚不到更多的钱。这一点不难理解。
Living costs went up 20%, pay didn't. People are working the same hours for less money. It's not difficult
生活成本上涨了20%，工资没有上涨。人们在做一样的工作，却赚不到更多的钱。这一点不难理解。
@RealSerie26
I literally LOL'd when they said that Zoom is requiring people to return to the office. It's like a vegetarian restaurant requiring its employees to eat meat. You cannot make this stuff up.
当他们说Zoom要求员工回办公室时，我简直笑出声了。就像一家素食餐厅要求员工吃肉一样。这种事情你都不敢想。
I literally LOL'd when they said that Zoom is requiring people to return to the office. It's like a vegetarian restaurant requiring its employees to eat meat. You cannot make this stuff up.
当他们说Zoom要求员工回办公室时，我简直笑出声了。就像一家素食餐厅要求员工吃肉一样。这种事情你都不敢想。
@JosueExplores
I moved to Texas and couldn’t find a job. I started working for myself mowing lawns and that turned into landscaping. I’m gonna stay with what I’m doing because I’m making ends meet and I’m on my own schedule. Working for yourself is my only answer for the current job market.
我搬到了德克萨斯州，但找不到工作。我开始自己做草坪修剪，后来转做园艺。我决定继续做这份工作，因为它让我能够勉强维持生计，并且可以自己安排时间。在目前的就业市场上，自己做老板是我的唯一选择。
I moved to Texas and couldn’t find a job. I started working for myself mowing lawns and that turned into landscaping. I’m gonna stay with what I’m doing because I’m making ends meet and I’m on my own schedule. Working for yourself is my only answer for the current job market.
我搬到了德克萨斯州，但找不到工作。我开始自己做草坪修剪，后来转做园艺。我决定继续做这份工作，因为它让我能够勉强维持生计，并且可以自己安排时间。在目前的就业市场上，自己做老板是我的唯一选择。
@pensacola321
So many Americans seem to be gleeful at the thought of their fellow workers struggling. Meanwhile senior executives are getting richer than ever.
I don't get the American mindset.
很多美国人似乎在看到同事挣扎时很高兴。与此同时，高层管理人员却比以往任何时候都更富有。我真不理解美国人的心态。
So many Americans seem to be gleeful at the thought of their fellow workers struggling. Meanwhile senior executives are getting richer than ever.
I don't get the American mindset.
很多美国人似乎在看到同事挣扎时很高兴。与此同时，高层管理人员却比以往任何时候都更富有。我真不理解美国人的心态。
@X1GenKaneShiroX
It may be extremely hard to believe, but the US federal minimum wage remained unchanged for over 15 years and 4 months, the very latest and newest change was way back in 2009. Based on what was seen in history from 1938 to today, the minimum wage changes once every 3-4 years, so how we have gotten to 15+ years since is insane. There are no guarantees on whether 2 million dollars per year could make you live comfortably considering house prices are like 150 million to 500 million dollars and many cars run from 3 million to potentially 100 million dollars.
这可能很难相信，但美国联邦最低工资已经超过15年没有变化，最近的一次调整是在2009年。根据历史记录，从1938年到现在，最低工资通常每3到4年就会调整一次，所以我们已经有超过15年没有调整，这真是太不可思议了。即使年薪200万美元，也未必能舒适地生活，因为房价高达1.5亿到5亿美元，许多车的价格从300万到可能100百万美元不等。
It may be extremely hard to believe, but the US federal minimum wage remained unchanged for over 15 years and 4 months, the very latest and newest change was way back in 2009. Based on what was seen in history from 1938 to today, the minimum wage changes once every 3-4 years, so how we have gotten to 15+ years since is insane. There are no guarantees on whether 2 million dollars per year could make you live comfortably considering house prices are like 150 million to 500 million dollars and many cars run from 3 million to potentially 100 million dollars.
这可能很难相信，但美国联邦最低工资已经超过15年没有变化，最近的一次调整是在2009年。根据历史记录，从1938年到现在，最低工资通常每3到4年就会调整一次，所以我们已经有超过15年没有调整，这真是太不可思议了。即使年薪200万美元，也未必能舒适地生活，因为房价高达1.5亿到5亿美元，许多车的价格从300万到可能100百万美元不等。
@egx161
The economy is great for who? Where? How hard do you have to work now for $20? CEO pay is skyrocketing, worker pay is stagnant. Above $20, expectations rise and maintaining employment gets more difficult. Companies just don’t want to pay no matter what. Even high skilled people don’t have any longevity. The best jobs are given to friends and family. Racism is a big problem when it comes to some locations. Sure, there are plenty of low wage jobs. Today employers expect a lot more for $20/hr.
经济对谁好？在哪儿好？现在要为20美元赚多少钱有多难？CEO的薪酬飙升，工人的工资却停滞不前。超过20美元的工资，要求越来越高，维持工作变得更加困难。公司就是不愿意支付，不管怎样。即使是高技能的人也没有什么职业稳定性。最好的工作通常是给亲朋好友的。在某些地方，种族歧视问题非常严重。没错，有很多低薪工作，但现在雇主对20美元每小时的要求变得越来越高。
The economy is great for who? Where? How hard do you have to work now for $20? CEO pay is skyrocketing, worker pay is stagnant. Above $20, expectations rise and maintaining employment gets more difficult. Companies just don’t want to pay no matter what. Even high skilled people don’t have any longevity. The best jobs are given to friends and family. Racism is a big problem when it comes to some locations. Sure, there are plenty of low wage jobs. Today employers expect a lot more for $20/hr.
经济对谁好？在哪儿好？现在要为20美元赚多少钱有多难？CEO的薪酬飙升，工人的工资却停滞不前。超过20美元的工资，要求越来越高，维持工作变得更加困难。公司就是不愿意支付，不管怎样。即使是高技能的人也没有什么职业稳定性。最好的工作通常是给亲朋好友的。在某些地方，种族歧视问题非常严重。没错，有很多低薪工作，但现在雇主对20美元每小时的要求变得越来越高。
@TL-rh1lf
Having to do more than 2 interviews for one job should be illegal... one side is getting paid to conduct the interview while the other side is usually just wasting their time
一个工作做超过两轮面试应该是违法的……一方在面试中赚取薪水，另一方通常只是在浪费时间。
Having to do more than 2 interviews for one job should be illegal... one side is getting paid to conduct the interview while the other side is usually just wasting their time
一个工作做超过两轮面试应该是违法的……一方在面试中赚取薪水，另一方通常只是在浪费时间。
@youngaries8
An average of 30 jobs and 4 callbacks? Try 300+ jobs and 4 callbacks. And I have 15+ years of work experience, a degree from a top 5 university, and a list of references. It has been 10x harder for young people just starting their careers.
平均申请30个工作，得到4次回电？我申请了300多个工作，只有4次回电。而且我有超过15年的工作经验，来自前五名大学的学位，还有一堆推荐信。对于刚刚开始职业生涯的年轻人来说，难度提升了10倍。
An average of 30 jobs and 4 callbacks? Try 300+ jobs and 4 callbacks. And I have 15+ years of work experience, a degree from a top 5 university, and a list of references. It has been 10x harder for young people just starting their careers.
平均申请30个工作，得到4次回电？我申请了300多个工作，只有4次回电。而且我有超过15年的工作经验，来自前五名大学的学位，还有一堆推荐信。对于刚刚开始职业生涯的年轻人来说，难度提升了10倍。
@ballons789
I applied to 25 tech openings outside of my current employer, had 10 interviews 3 rejections and 7 ghosted me. I then applied to 1 internal job at my current employer and got the job on my first interview. The job was posted publicly on lixedin, which said it had over 100 applicants. 3 other people were internally hired along with me for the team.
Recently, 4 more people were hired and they were all internal candidates with 6 to 10 years of tenure. The positions were also advertised publicly.
我申请了25个外部技术岗位，面试了10次，3次被拒绝，7次被“放鸽子”。然后，我在现任公司申请了一个内部职位，第一次面试就拿到工作。这个职位在lixedIn上公开发布，说有100多个申请者。与我一起被录取的还有3个内部员工。最近又招了4个人，都是有6到10年工龄的内部候选人。这些职位也公开招聘了。
I applied to 25 tech openings outside of my current employer, had 10 interviews 3 rejections and 7 ghosted me. I then applied to 1 internal job at my current employer and got the job on my first interview. The job was posted publicly on lixedin, which said it had over 100 applicants. 3 other people were internally hired along with me for the team.
Recently, 4 more people were hired and they were all internal candidates with 6 to 10 years of tenure. The positions were also advertised publicly.
我申请了25个外部技术岗位，面试了10次，3次被拒绝，7次被“放鸽子”。然后，我在现任公司申请了一个内部职位，第一次面试就拿到工作。这个职位在lixedIn上公开发布，说有100多个申请者。与我一起被录取的还有3个内部员工。最近又招了4个人，都是有6到10年工龄的内部候选人。这些职位也公开招聘了。
@davidsamuelson2089
The way the govt measures the unemployment rate is wildly outdated & captures little data that matters (those who are forced out, median incomes, living wages, benefits, etc).
政府衡量失业率的方式非常过时，捕捉到的数据很少，很多重要的数据都没有反映出来（比如被迫离职的人、中位数收入、生活工资、福利等）。
The way the govt measures the unemployment rate is wildly outdated & captures little data that matters (those who are forced out, median incomes, living wages, benefits, etc).
政府衡量失业率的方式非常过时，捕捉到的数据很少，很多重要的数据都没有反映出来（比如被迫离职的人、中位数收入、生活工资、福利等）。
@gabegonzales8618
These “experts” continue to not understand the true poor middle class. A $60k salary is unable to buy a house let alone support a family. They analyze these things through the lens of people who make 100-200k a year.
这些“专家”继续不了解真正的贫困中产阶级。60K美元的年薪根本买不起房子，更别说养家糊口了。他们分析这些问题时，总是站在年收入10万到20万美元的人群的角度来看。
These “experts” continue to not understand the true poor middle class. A $60k salary is unable to buy a house let alone support a family. They analyze these things through the lens of people who make 100-200k a year.
这些“专家”继续不了解真正的贫困中产阶级。60K美元的年薪根本买不起房子，更别说养家糊口了。他们分析这些问题时，总是站在年收入10万到20万美元的人群的角度来看。
@jermainemyrn19
There is a reason 0 media companies walk directly into a corporation and ask workers directly what they think about being workers. Not in the interest of the capitalist private sector goons. Workers are like furniture to corporations or logs for a fireplace.
没有媒体公司会直接走进公司，问工人们他们对做工的看法。资本主义私营部门的利益不允许这么做。对这些公司来说，工人就像家具一样，或者像烧火的木材。
There is a reason 0 media companies walk directly into a corporation and ask workers directly what they think about being workers. Not in the interest of the capitalist private sector goons. Workers are like furniture to corporations or logs for a fireplace.
没有媒体公司会直接走进公司，问工人们他们对做工的看法。资本主义私营部门的利益不允许这么做。对这些公司来说，工人就像家具一样，或者像烧火的木材。
@jpcarsmedia
We need to allow remote work again. I've been remote since 2016, before the pandemic. It's good and bad. I work more. But I also spend less on commuting and going out to eat. Let people spend more time with their families and work on personal goals. I am not just a generator of shareholder wealth.
我们需要重新允许远程工作。我从2016年开始就远程工作了，在疫情之前就已经开始了。远程工作有好有坏。我工作时间更长了，但也省下了通勤费和外出就餐的钱。让人们有更多时间陪伴家人，专注于个人目标。我不仅仅是股东财富的创造者。
We need to allow remote work again. I've been remote since 2016, before the pandemic. It's good and bad. I work more. But I also spend less on commuting and going out to eat. Let people spend more time with their families and work on personal goals. I am not just a generator of shareholder wealth.
我们需要重新允许远程工作。我从2016年开始就远程工作了，在疫情之前就已经开始了。远程工作有好有坏。我工作时间更长了，但也省下了通勤费和外出就餐的钱。让人们有更多时间陪伴家人，专注于个人目标。我不仅仅是股东财富的创造者。
@Morel92
Im 30-40% more productive as a remote worker than in the office. Less stress from no commute, less wear on my car/ the environment, less anxiety, not as many distractions, more time to prep healthy lunches, more flexibility. If someone is not meeting production, let them go. Why punish the people that perform and work well from home? Sounds like a poor management issue to me…
作为远程工作者，我的工作效率比在办公室提高了30-40%。没有通勤的压力，减少了汽车磨损/对环境的影响，减少了焦虑，也没有那么多干扰，有更多时间准备健康的午餐，灵活性更大。如果某些人没有达到生产目标，那就解雇他们。为什么要惩罚那些表现良好并且能在家工作的员工呢？这听起来像是管理不善的问题。
Im 30-40% more productive as a remote worker than in the office. Less stress from no commute, less wear on my car/ the environment, less anxiety, not as many distractions, more time to prep healthy lunches, more flexibility. If someone is not meeting production, let them go. Why punish the people that perform and work well from home? Sounds like a poor management issue to me…
作为远程工作者，我的工作效率比在办公室提高了30-40%。没有通勤的压力，减少了汽车磨损/对环境的影响，减少了焦虑，也没有那么多干扰，有更多时间准备健康的午餐，灵活性更大。如果某些人没有达到生产目标，那就解雇他们。为什么要惩罚那些表现良好并且能在家工作的员工呢？这听起来像是管理不善的问题。
@buckyes6749
Once you get above 55 -start your own thing. No one will even interview you once you are a bit older. Gig work doesn’t pay well.
一旦超过55岁，就开始做自己的事业吧。稍微年长一点的人根本不会被面试。临时工的工作也没有什么报酬。
Once you get above 55 -start your own thing. No one will even interview you once you are a bit older. Gig work doesn’t pay well.
一旦超过55岁，就开始做自己的事业吧。稍微年长一点的人根本不会被面试。临时工的工作也没有什么报酬。
@thundrtkr8910
I think it’s time for the peasants to revolt. I’m tired of watching young people crumple under the weight of “working harder” to accomplish their dreams. How is it fair to work a 12 hour day, and a say 6 day week, and still live paycheque to paycheque once bills are taken out? It’s depressing to grind for 10 years and still find yourself hardly any further ahead.
Who would want to work so hard for so many hours to accomplish so little? To be so tired at the end of the day, and then to see that to order a pizza costs almost half a day of work is just something I never thought I would see.
我觉得是时候让平民起来反抗了。看着年轻人被“更努力工作”压得喘不过气来，我真的很累。每天工作12小时，一周6天，付了账单之后，仍然是捉襟见肘，怎么能公平？辛苦工作了10年，结果几乎一点进展都没有。
谁愿意这么辛苦工作这么长时间，却换不到任何回报？一天工作结束后累得不行，结果点个披萨竟然要花掉几乎半天的工资，这简直是我从没想过会看到的事情。
I think it’s time for the peasants to revolt. I’m tired of watching young people crumple under the weight of “working harder” to accomplish their dreams. How is it fair to work a 12 hour day, and a say 6 day week, and still live paycheque to paycheque once bills are taken out? It’s depressing to grind for 10 years and still find yourself hardly any further ahead.
Who would want to work so hard for so many hours to accomplish so little? To be so tired at the end of the day, and then to see that to order a pizza costs almost half a day of work is just something I never thought I would see.
我觉得是时候让平民起来反抗了。看着年轻人被“更努力工作”压得喘不过气来，我真的很累。每天工作12小时，一周6天，付了账单之后，仍然是捉襟见肘，怎么能公平？辛苦工作了10年，结果几乎一点进展都没有。
谁愿意这么辛苦工作这么长时间，却换不到任何回报？一天工作结束后累得不行，结果点个披萨竟然要花掉几乎半天的工资，这简直是我从没想过会看到的事情。
@ProvocateuAstrology2
UE for 2 years. Professional. The job market is as bad as it was in 2008. The job numbers are a lie. Thousands of resumes for a CPA with years of experience, Master degree. Ghost jobs. Ghost interviews. No feedback. Recruiters are sending out emails that look personal but are part of huge mailing. Recruiters schedule an interview then don't show up. It's a nightmare!
两年失业，专业人士。就业市场跟2008年差不多。招聘数字是假的。一个有多年经验的注册会计师，硕士学位的简历，投了无数次，都是“幽灵工作”，幽灵面试，没有反馈。招聘人员发出的邮件看起来是私人定制的，实际上是大量群发的邮件。招聘人员安排了面试，却不出现。这简直是噩梦！
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UE for 2 years. Professional. The job market is as bad as it was in 2008. The job numbers are a lie. Thousands of resumes for a CPA with years of experience, Master degree. Ghost jobs. Ghost interviews. No feedback. Recruiters are sending out emails that look personal but are part of huge mailing. Recruiters schedule an interview then don't show up. It's a nightmare!
两年失业，专业人士。就业市场跟2008年差不多。招聘数字是假的。一个有多年经验的注册会计师，硕士学位的简历，投了无数次，都是“幽灵工作”，幽灵面试，没有反馈。招聘人员发出的邮件看起来是私人定制的，实际上是大量群发的邮件。招聘人员安排了面试，却不出现。这简直是噩梦！
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@gbb82
My last three years before retirement in 2022 were stressful. My company had so many statistics to measure performance it was dizzying. Every day we were urged to do this better or be excellent at our jobs. If you wanted to post for a position, you had to submit a resume, cover letter, go through multiple rounds of interviews. I don’t know how younger people cope with this craziness these days.
我在2022年退休前的最后三年非常有压力。我的公司每天都要用大量统计数据来衡量工作表现，令人头晕目眩。每天都被要求做到更好，或在工作中表现出色。如果你想申请一个职位，你必须提交简历、求职信，经过多轮面试。我真的不明白如今的年轻人是怎么忍受这种疯狂的。
My last three years before retirement in 2022 were stressful. My company had so many statistics to measure performance it was dizzying. Every day we were urged to do this better or be excellent at our jobs. If you wanted to post for a position, you had to submit a resume, cover letter, go through multiple rounds of interviews. I don’t know how younger people cope with this craziness these days.
我在2022年退休前的最后三年非常有压力。我的公司每天都要用大量统计数据来衡量工作表现，令人头晕目眩。每天都被要求做到更好，或在工作中表现出色。如果你想申请一个职位，你必须提交简历、求职信，经过多轮面试。我真的不明白如今的年轻人是怎么忍受这种疯狂的。
@taylorwaterman7316
It's hard to get a job cuz they want you to have 5-10 years of experience for an ENTRY LEVEL job. Sometimes they expect you to work for free ('internship') IF you even get that.
99% of getting a job is LUCK, connections, right place right time, sleeping your way to the top, racism, etc...VERY little to do with talent and hard work.
IN FACT you are DOWNRIGHT PUNISHED for working hard. They keep you were you are and they DON'T PROMOTE YOU!!!!
现在找工作真的很难，因为他们要求你在申请入门级工作时有5到10年的经验。有时候，他们甚至期望你免费工作（“实习”），如果你能得到实习机会的话。
找工作99%的因素是运气、关系、时机，或者是通过不正当手段爬上去，种族歧视等等…真正与才能和努力工作无关。
事实上，你为了努力工作而付出的代价是被惩罚。他们把你困在原地，不会晋升你！
It's hard to get a job cuz they want you to have 5-10 years of experience for an ENTRY LEVEL job. Sometimes they expect you to work for free ('internship') IF you even get that.
99% of getting a job is LUCK, connections, right place right time, sleeping your way to the top, racism, etc...VERY little to do with talent and hard work.
IN FACT you are DOWNRIGHT PUNISHED for working hard. They keep you were you are and they DON'T PROMOTE YOU!!!!
现在找工作真的很难，因为他们要求你在申请入门级工作时有5到10年的经验。有时候，他们甚至期望你免费工作（“实习”），如果你能得到实习机会的话。
找工作99%的因素是运气、关系、时机，或者是通过不正当手段爬上去，种族歧视等等…真正与才能和努力工作无关。
事实上，你为了努力工作而付出的代价是被惩罚。他们把你困在原地，不会晋升你！
@PorterPickUp
A man who owns a car company surprisingly wants to force all Americans back into the office.
一个拥有汽车公司的男人，竟然想强迫所有美国人回办公室上班。
A man who owns a car company surprisingly wants to force all Americans back into the office.
一个拥有汽车公司的男人，竟然想强迫所有美国人回办公室上班。
@DotNetWizard
The sheer stupidity of those people that don’t understand that I am 50% less productive in the office because of the yapping people and the commute than I am when I am in my own quiet environment is beyond me.
那些不明白我在办公室工作效率低50%的人真是太愚蠢了，因为办公室里有人的喋喋不休和通勤，而在我自己安静的环境中工作时效率更高，我真是无法理解。
The sheer stupidity of those people that don’t understand that I am 50% less productive in the office because of the yapping people and the commute than I am when I am in my own quiet environment is beyond me.
那些不明白我在办公室工作效率低50%的人真是太愚蠢了，因为办公室里有人的喋喋不休和通勤，而在我自己安静的环境中工作时效率更高，我真是无法理解。
@benpielstick
The games industry has been experiencing historic levels of layoffs, project cancellations, and studio closures.
游戏行业正在经历历史性的裁员、项目取消和工作室关停。
The games industry has been experiencing historic levels of layoffs, project cancellations, and studio closures.
游戏行业正在经历历史性的裁员、项目取消和工作室关停。
@ScottAmbrose-rc2xq
This remote work conversation is about 12 percent of the workforce. Most people never worked in an office and don't have jobs that can be done remotely. By listening to this you would think every American works at an office job.
这场关于远程工作的讨论只是涉及了12%的劳动力。大多数人从未在办公室工作过，也没有能远程完成的工作。听了这些讨论，你会以为所有美国人都做办公室工作。
This remote work conversation is about 12 percent of the workforce. Most people never worked in an office and don't have jobs that can be done remotely. By listening to this you would think every American works at an office job.
这场关于远程工作的讨论只是涉及了12%的劳动力。大多数人从未在办公室工作过，也没有能远程完成的工作。听了这些讨论，你会以为所有美国人都做办公室工作。
@ScarletJohansson-rg6jr
Jobs will pay your bills, business will make you rich but investment makes and keep you wealthy! I pray everyone here becomes successful
工作能支付你的账单，生意让你富有，但投资让你富有并保持财富！我祈祷这里的每个人都能成功。
Jobs will pay your bills, business will make you rich but investment makes and keep you wealthy! I pray everyone here becomes successful
工作能支付你的账单，生意让你富有，但投资让你富有并保持财富！我祈祷这里的每个人都能成功。
@Bullet0644
I gave up looking for employment after so many rejections. Now I rob people and steal eggs from grocery stores.
在经历了这么多次被拒之后，我放弃了找工作。现在我抢劫别人，还从超市偷鸡蛋。
I gave up looking for employment after so many rejections. Now I rob people and steal eggs from grocery stores.
在经历了这么多次被拒之后，我放弃了找工作。现在我抢劫别人，还从超市偷鸡蛋。
@SonnyBear5
I’m tired of my job but I don’t want to quit and go on an endless job search. Pay doesn’t match cost of living and they only notice if you messed up, but doesn’t bat an eye when you go above and beyond.
我对我的工作感到厌倦，但我不想辞职然后去无休止的找工作。薪水跟生活成本不匹配，他们只有在你犯错时才会注意到，但你超额完成工作时却完全不在乎。、
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I’m tired of my job but I don’t want to quit and go on an endless job search. Pay doesn’t match cost of living and they only notice if you messed up, but doesn’t bat an eye when you go above and beyond.
我对我的工作感到厌倦，但我不想辞职然后去无休止的找工作。薪水跟生活成本不匹配，他们只有在你犯错时才会注意到，但你超额完成工作时却完全不在乎。、
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@erickvillegas8327
9:03 Compared to my parents' experience, it's a great job market? Ha, my parents could walk into a business talk to an employee, get directed to the hiring manager, and probably get a job right then and there if they had a good conversation.
9:03 相较于我父母的经历，现在的就业市场算是不错吗？哈哈，我父母当时可以直接走进一家公司，和员工聊聊天，然后被引导去见招聘经理，可能就能在那时拿到工作。
9:03 Compared to my parents' experience, it's a great job market? Ha, my parents could walk into a business talk to an employee, get directed to the hiring manager, and probably get a job right then and there if they had a good conversation.
9:03 相较于我父母的经历，现在的就业市场算是不错吗？哈哈，我父母当时可以直接走进一家公司，和员工聊聊天，然后被引导去见招聘经理，可能就能在那时拿到工作。
@teddycooke8145
9:01 what?!? Compared to our parents we have it terrible. These are the people that just walked in and shook hands and worked their way up to senior position
9:01 什么？！跟我们的父母比，我们简直惨得多。那时候的人直接走进公司，握个手就能一路升职，做到高层职位。
9:01 what?!? Compared to our parents we have it terrible. These are the people that just walked in and shook hands and worked their way up to senior position
9:01 什么？！跟我们的父母比，我们简直惨得多。那时候的人直接走进公司，握个手就能一路升职，做到高层职位。
@judonomi
30 job applications and 4 callbacks!!! What industry are they talking about!?!? SWE jobs are more like 600 applications to 4 call backs.
申请了30份工作，收到了4个回电！他们说的那个行业到底是哪里啊！软件工程师的职位简直是600份申请才能收到4个回电。
30 job applications and 4 callbacks!!! What industry are they talking about!?!? SWE jobs are more like 600 applications to 4 call backs.
申请了30份工作，收到了4个回电！他们说的那个行业到底是哪里啊！软件工程师的职位简直是600份申请才能收到4个回电。
@MachusPichusAmigo
Growing up just sucks in the 2020s. First they robbed us of 2 years of college, which are supposed to be the best years of your life. Then you graduate and find yourself in a position of low bargaining and no replies. I graduated from a top school last year and could only get a low paying job after 200 applications through a friend (referal)
在2020年代长大真是太糟糕了。首先，他们夺走了我们两年的大学生活，本该是人生中最美好的时光。然后毕业了，却发现自己处于谈判地位低下的境地，还得不到任何回应。我去年从一所顶尖学校毕业，结果通过朋友（推荐）投了200份简历，才找到一份低薪工作。
Growing up just sucks in the 2020s. First they robbed us of 2 years of college, which are supposed to be the best years of your life. Then you graduate and find yourself in a position of low bargaining and no replies. I graduated from a top school last year and could only get a low paying job after 200 applications through a friend (referal)
在2020年代长大真是太糟糕了。首先，他们夺走了我们两年的大学生活，本该是人生中最美好的时光。然后毕业了，却发现自己处于谈判地位低下的境地，还得不到任何回应。我去年从一所顶尖学校毕业，结果通过朋友（推荐）投了200份简历，才找到一份低薪工作。
@todd2324
It's hard because too many people are trying to get the same jobs. I left the corporate/lixedIn world to get a job in education. I only applied to a few schools. When I applied for a corporate, remote job, I put in well over 100 applications and landed 4 interviews before I got an offer. And the pay was horrible with little time off. Now, I make more money, have better benefits, and have more time off in the school system.
这很难，因为太多人都在争抢相同的工作。我离开了公司/lixedIn的世界，去找了一份教育行业的工作。我只申请了几所学校。当我申请公司远程工作时，我提交了超过100份简历，才得到4次面试机会，最后才拿到一个offer。而且薪水很低，休假时间也少。现在，在教育系统工作，我赚得更多，福利更好，还有更多的休息时间。
It's hard because too many people are trying to get the same jobs. I left the corporate/lixedIn world to get a job in education. I only applied to a few schools. When I applied for a corporate, remote job, I put in well over 100 applications and landed 4 interviews before I got an offer. And the pay was horrible with little time off. Now, I make more money, have better benefits, and have more time off in the school system.
这很难，因为太多人都在争抢相同的工作。我离开了公司/lixedIn的世界，去找了一份教育行业的工作。我只申请了几所学校。当我申请公司远程工作时，我提交了超过100份简历，才得到4次面试机会，最后才拿到一个offer。而且薪水很低，休假时间也少。现在，在教育系统工作，我赚得更多，福利更好，还有更多的休息时间。
@BoldFollower
I work from home permanently in one of my two jobs. They have a caveat that I MUST remain at the desk they gave me and it must be within 1 hour of the office if clocked in-- I am happy to be fully remote, but I don't really understand why I need to remain close to the office. If I could move I could save so much money.
我在两份工作中其中一份是永久远程工作。唯一的要求是，我必须保持在公司给我的工作桌旁，且必须在打卡时距离办公室1小时内。我很高兴能全程远程工作，但我不太明白为什么需要离办公室这么近。如果我能搬家，应该能省下很多钱。
I work from home permanently in one of my two jobs. They have a caveat that I MUST remain at the desk they gave me and it must be within 1 hour of the office if clocked in-- I am happy to be fully remote, but I don't really understand why I need to remain close to the office. If I could move I could save so much money.
我在两份工作中其中一份是永久远程工作。唯一的要求是，我必须保持在公司给我的工作桌旁，且必须在打卡时距离办公室1小时内。我很高兴能全程远程工作，但我不太明白为什么需要离办公室这么近。如果我能搬家，应该能省下很多钱。
@kennethbowen775
I went nearly 2 years without being able to get a job. Thousands of applications and dozens of interviews. Then I got a full-time job. Worked for 6 months, and given a WARN notice. Now I work part-time, but hey, I'm still employed.
我差不多两年都找不到工作。投了成千上万的简历，参加了几十场面试。然后我找到了一个全职工作，工作了六个月，结果收到了WARN通知。现在我做兼职工作，但嘿，我还是有工作。
I went nearly 2 years without being able to get a job. Thousands of applications and dozens of interviews. Then I got a full-time job. Worked for 6 months, and given a WARN notice. Now I work part-time, but hey, I'm still employed.
我差不多两年都找不到工作。投了成千上万的简历，参加了几十场面试。然后我找到了一个全职工作，工作了六个月，结果收到了WARN通知。现在我做兼职工作，但嘿，我还是有工作。
@Bitcoin_Gold
Funny how I did a test see if I can get a seasonal temp job? Guess what not single call back. I even put down willing work on weekends. Still no call back for past month already. This is why I see so many people not working.
有趣的是，我做了个测试，看能否找到一个季节性临时工作？结果呢，根本没有一个回音。我甚至注明了愿意周末工作。一个月过去了，依然没有回音。这就是我看到那么多人没有工作的原因。
Funny how I did a test see if I can get a seasonal temp job? Guess what not single call back. I even put down willing work on weekends. Still no call back for past month already. This is why I see so many people not working.
有趣的是，我做了个测试，看能否找到一个季节性临时工作？结果呢，根本没有一个回音。我甚至注明了愿意周末工作。一个月过去了，依然没有回音。这就是我看到那么多人没有工作的原因。
@tringuyen7519
Gone are the days of a single career at a single company for 30 years & retirement. Workers have to change companies, jobs, & careers to remain relevant! Resume building!
单一职业在同一家公司工作30年然后退休的时代已经过去了！为了保持竞争力，员工必须更换公司、工作甚至职业！简历要不断更新！
Gone are the days of a single career at a single company for 30 years & retirement. Workers have to change companies, jobs, & careers to remain relevant! Resume building!
单一职业在同一家公司工作30年然后退休的时代已经过去了！为了保持竞争力，员工必须更换公司、工作甚至职业！简历要不断更新！
@xdcksgmd37
No one can afford to pay their workers, and no workers can afford homes. Wage prices cannot rise and home prices need to fall
没有人能支付员工工资，而员工也负担不起住房。工资无法上涨，房价必须下降。
No one can afford to pay their workers, and no workers can afford homes. Wage prices cannot rise and home prices need to fall
没有人能支付员工工资，而员工也负担不起住房。工资无法上涨，房价必须下降。
@carlosfontanez9804
Average 44 days to decide to hire an employee. Imagine being unemployed and waiting 44 days after applying to a job to be told if you are rejected or not.
平均需要44天才能决定是否聘用一个员工。试想一下，失业者投了简历，等待了44天才知道自己是否被拒绝。
Average 44 days to decide to hire an employee. Imagine being unemployed and waiting 44 days after applying to a job to be told if you are rejected or not.
平均需要44天才能决定是否聘用一个员工。试想一下，失业者投了简历，等待了44天才知道自己是否被拒绝。
@Adultsummers
It’s hard to be a worker because even when you get the job you’re still broke meanwhile your boss is taking 3 week vacations to Bali.
做员工真的很难，即使你找到了工作，你仍然很穷，而你的老板却能去巴厘岛度假三周。
It’s hard to be a worker because even when you get the job you’re still broke meanwhile your boss is taking 3 week vacations to Bali.
做员工真的很难，即使你找到了工作，你仍然很穷，而你的老板却能去巴厘岛度假三周。
@Emsie78
I hit $113k today. Thank you for all the knowledge and nuggets you had thrown my way over the last months. Started last month 2024. Financial education is indeed required for more than 70% of the society in the country as very few are literate on the subject.
今天收入达到了11.3万美元。感谢过去几个月你们分享的所有知识和经验。我是从2024年1月开始的。财务教育的确对超过70%的人来说至关重要，因为很少有人在这方面有足够的知识。
I hit $113k today. Thank you for all the knowledge and nuggets you had thrown my way over the last months. Started last month 2024. Financial education is indeed required for more than 70% of the society in the country as very few are literate on the subject.
今天收入达到了11.3万美元。感谢过去几个月你们分享的所有知识和经验。我是从2024年1月开始的。财务教育的确对超过70%的人来说至关重要，因为很少有人在这方面有足够的知识。
@ruled_by_pluto
As a worker I really don't want remote work. It's bad for my mental health to be at home all day. Even though getting up and going to work can be a pain in the ass, it's really good for me to get out of the house and interact with people every day. So it doesn't just benefit commercial realtors for us to go into the office
作为一个员工，我真的不想远程工作。整天待在家里对我的心理健康不好。尽管起床去工作有时很麻烦，但每天出门与人互动对我来说真的很好。所以我们去办公室工作不仅仅是对商业地产经纪人有利。
As a worker I really don't want remote work. It's bad for my mental health to be at home all day. Even though getting up and going to work can be a pain in the ass, it's really good for me to get out of the house and interact with people every day. So it doesn't just benefit commercial realtors for us to go into the office
作为一个员工，我真的不想远程工作。整天待在家里对我的心理健康不好。尽管起床去工作有时很麻烦，但每天出门与人互动对我来说真的很好。所以我们去办公室工作不仅仅是对商业地产经纪人有利。
@SailingKitabu
The big problem is nobody does anything useful, all these marketing and account managers literally could not exist and it changes nothing
大问题是没有人做任何有用的事情，所有这些营销和客户经理实际上是可以不存在的，这样也不会改变任何事情。
The big problem is nobody does anything useful, all these marketing and account managers literally could not exist and it changes nothing
大问题是没有人做任何有用的事情，所有这些营销和客户经理实际上是可以不存在的，这样也不会改变任何事情。
@colinjordan8335
One crucial aspect of this story that was left out is the fact that companies drastically inflate their hiring prospects to appear like the company is doing well. They post jobs that they never intended on filling, so they look like a successful company. The number of jobs actually available is much lower
这个故事中有一个关键方面被忽略了，那就是公司会大幅夸大他们的招聘前景，以显示公司运作良好。他们发布的职位根本没有打算去填补，只是为了让公司看起来很成功。实际可用的职位远远少于展示出来的。
One crucial aspect of this story that was left out is the fact that companies drastically inflate their hiring prospects to appear like the company is doing well. They post jobs that they never intended on filling, so they look like a successful company. The number of jobs actually available is much lower
这个故事中有一个关键方面被忽略了，那就是公司会大幅夸大他们的招聘前景，以显示公司运作良好。他们发布的职位根本没有打算去填补，只是为了让公司看起来很成功。实际可用的职位远远少于展示出来的。
@alainbelisle643
The job market is also rife with "institutional job postings", meaning that the employer has a rule (to comply with labor laws and anti-discrimination guidelines) to interview a set minimum of candidates, say 10. And advertise the open position on the web. Poor souls that are a perfect match and hope to get the job are wasting their time, it's an internal promotion, therefore a mirage job.
就业市场上也充斥着“制度性职位发布”，意味着雇主有一个规定（为了遵守劳动法和反歧视指南），必须面试一定数量的候选人，比如说10个，并在网上发布这个职位。这些完美匹配的可怜灵魂希望能得到这个工作，实际上他们浪费时间了，这只是一个内部晋升的职位，是一个虚幻的职位。
The job market is also rife with "institutional job postings", meaning that the employer has a rule (to comply with labor laws and anti-discrimination guidelines) to interview a set minimum of candidates, say 10. And advertise the open position on the web. Poor souls that are a perfect match and hope to get the job are wasting their time, it's an internal promotion, therefore a mirage job.
就业市场上也充斥着“制度性职位发布”，意味着雇主有一个规定（为了遵守劳动法和反歧视指南），必须面试一定数量的候选人，比如说10个，并在网上发布这个职位。这些完美匹配的可怜灵魂希望能得到这个工作，实际上他们浪费时间了，这只是一个内部晋升的职位，是一个虚幻的职位。
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