来真的?川皇欲吞并加拿大,事情愈演愈真,舆论场已出现认真讨论,西方世界人心惶惶
2025-01-09 兰陵笑笑生 11016
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Braid: It's no joke — Trump really wants the U.S. to take over Canada

布雷德:这不是玩笑--特朗普真的想让美国吞并加拿大




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usernameavailable123
What the fuck is going on?

到底发生了什么?

theclansman22
This is the Trump MO. First claim you are going to do something completely insane. Watch the media and pundit class work itself into a tizzy about how insane it is. Then we you do something only slightly insane he looks like a "moderate".
Do people really not remember his first term?

这就是特朗普的手法。首先声称要做一些完全疯狂的事情。看媒体和评论员们如何为此感到不安。然后当你做一些稍微疯狂的事情时,他看起来就像个“温和派”。
人们真的不记得他的第一任期了吗?

hexhex
He looked at putin and loved what he saw. Waging wars, inventing enemies, traitors, focusing on some ephemeral and populist ideas, building an image of a ‘strongman’ - all this to keep the public distracted while amassing wealth, getting rid of competition and doing some shady shit.
It seems far fetched, perhaps, but IMO, US is ripe to become a russia-style oligarchic autocracy.

他看着普京,喜欢他所看到的。发动战争,制造敌人,叛徒,专注于一些短暂的民粹主义思想,塑造一个“强人”的形象——这一切都是为了让公众分心,同时积累财富,消除竞争,做一些阴暗的事情。
这似乎有些牵强,但在我看来,美国成为俄罗斯式寡头专制国家的时机已经成熟。

No_Obligation_3568
So trump is threatening nato, Canada, Panama and mexico with invasions.
Yeah, this is totally fucking normal.

所以特朗普正在威胁北约、加拿大、巴拿马和墨西哥进行入侵。
是的,这太他妈的正常了。

wendigo303
And Denmark

还有丹麦

socialistrob
The crazy thing to me about Denmark is that they are basically the perfect European ally from an American perspective. They spend about 2.4% of GDP on defense which is a bit more than the UK and a bit less than Finland. They overwhelmingly buy American weapons and they are not vocal critics of American foreign policy either. They are the second biggest provider of aid to Ukraine as a percentage of GDP and have even given Ukraine F-16s (for reference the US ranks 16th and has not provided fighter jets). Denmark allows the US to have military bases on Danish territory including Greenland as well and shares intelligence with the US.
From an American perspective Denmark is the picture perfect ally. When Americans say "well why doesn't Europe do more for Ukraine" or "Europe needs to invest in their own defense" or "Europeans should stop being smug towards the American military" what they are really saying is "Europe should more closely resemble Denmark" and yet Denmark's "reward" is to be threatened with invasion. What incentive is there to work with the US when Trump is seemingly friendlier with Putin than he is with the US's closest and best allies?

在我看来,威胁丹麦的疯狂之处在于,从美国的角度来看,他们基本上是完美的欧洲盟友。 他们的国防开支约占国内生产总值的 2.4%,比英国多一点,比芬兰少一点。 他们绝大多数武器购买自美国,对美国的外交政策也不持异议。 按 GDP 百分比计算,丹麦是乌克兰第二大援助国,甚至还向乌克兰提供了 F-16 战斗机(作为参考,美国排名第 16 位,但没有提供战斗机)。 丹麦允许美国在包括格陵兰岛在内的丹麦领土上建立军事基地,并与美国共享情报。
从美国的角度来看,丹麦是完美的盟友。当美国人说 "欧洲为什么不为乌克兰做得更多 "或 "欧洲需要为自己的国防投资 "或 "欧洲人应该停止对美国军队的自恃 "时,他们真正想说的是 "欧洲应该更像丹麦",然而丹麦得到的 "回报 "却是受到入侵的威胁。当特朗普与普京的关系似乎比与美国最亲密和最好的盟友的关系还要友好时,还有什么动力与美国合作呢?

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tvaughan
Both Canada and Greenland/Denmark are in NATO. Both control considerable access to the Arctic. Canada has oil. Russia cannot pass through the Panama Canal. Weird but I can’t quite put my finger on who would benefit from a weaker NATO, uncontested control over the Artic, control over a considerable amount of oil, and passage through the Panama Canal.

加拿大和格陵兰/丹麦都加入了北约。两国都控制着通往北极地区的大量通道。加拿大拥有石油。俄罗斯无法通过巴拿马运河。好奇怪啊,我怎么也想不出谁会从弱化的北约、对北极地区毫无争议的控制权、对大量石油的控制权以及巴拿马运河的通行权中获益呢。

SorcererRogier
United States of America
Last week, the idea of annexing Canada would have sounded like madness to most Trump supporters. Now, you have people in conservative subreddits openly and seriously supporting the idea. I thought they voted for him because he was an isolationist, but now his supporters are going full imperialist Monroe Doctrine mode.

上周,对大多数特朗普的支持者来说,吞并加拿大的想法听起来就像疯了一样。现在,在保守派的版块中却有人公开、认真地支持这一想法。我以为他们投他的票是因为他是个孤立主义者,但现在他的支持者却完全进入了帝国主义门罗主义模式。

FlanneryOG
There is zero consistency in their logic. They are part of a cult.

他们的逻辑毫无一致性可言。他们是邪教的一部分。

JaccoW
Former Dutch republic of The Netherlands
All I can see is the openings of the OG Fallout games where you hear the voiceover talk about how the US annexed Canada while two dudes in power armour shoot a tied up prisoner in the back of his head.
Then again, the US president in those games is a genocidal fascist as well.

我仿佛看到了《辐射》游戏的开场,你会听到画外音讲述美国是如何吞并加拿大的,同时有两个穿着动力装甲的家伙朝一个被绑着的囚犯的后脑勺开枪。
话说回来,这些游戏中的美国总统也是个种族灭绝的法西斯主义者。

lolwut778
It only took a month from the first time he "teased" the idea, to American right wingers opening supporting annexing Canada on social media. Europe needs to know that Trump and his cronies are testing the waters with these comments. Once it gains traction, they stop pretending they're joking. Trump is now brazen enough to imply the use of military to take what he wants.
Remember, Germany was a democracy before 1933 too. It only took a few years after that for territorial expansion under the Third Reich. I fear the US may have reached its Weimar Republic moment.

从他第一次“调侃”这个想法,到美国右翼分子在社交媒体上公开支持吞并加拿大,只用了一个月的时间。欧洲需要知道,特朗普和他的亲信正在用这些言论试水。一旦获得重视,他们就不会再假装自己是在开玩笑。特朗普现在已经厚颜无耻到暗示要动用军队来夺取他想要的东西。
请记住,德国在 1933 年之前也是一个民主国家。在那之后,第三帝国只用了几年时间就实现了领土扩张。我担心美国可能已经到了魏玛共和国的时刻。

Background_Demand589
Yeah its actually horrifying how many parallels you can draw between Germany at the time and the US today. The two biggest ones being their economic struggle and the need for a scapegoat. Jews/Mexicans

是啊,当时的德国和今天的美国之间有很多相似之处,这其实很可怕。其中最大的两点是他们的经济斗争和对替罪羊的需求。犹太人/墨西哥人

FanaticalLucy
Prediction: 2081 will see the release of the first game in a franchise that goes on to become quite popular, titled "wolf castle" (title may vary). The franchise is set in an alternative universe where the Republicans won the war. Each game in the series sees the protagonist mowing down hundreds to thousands of republicans, and often has Trump as the end-boss. This premise, while it would have seemed extreme only 60 years prior, is seen as socially acceptable by the time the game releases, due to the atrocities commited by the Republicans in WWIII, and anyone associating with Republican ideology is dehumanised and seen as a monster because of it.

预测:2081 年,一款名为 “狼堡”(标题可能会有所不同)的系列游戏将推出第一款游戏,该游戏后来颇受欢迎。该系列游戏的背景设定在一个共和党赢得战争的另一个宇宙。该系列的每款游戏都能看到主角击倒成百上千的共和党人,而且通常以特朗普为最终boss。这一前提在 60 年前似乎还很极端,但在游戏发布时,由于共和党在第三次世界大战中犯下的暴行,这已被社会所接受,任何与共和党意识形态有关联的人都因此被非人化,被视为怪物。

Astemius
At this point we might as well just have 3 big countries instead of 200+ : US, China, Russia.
How naïve was I when I was younger thinking there would never be another big war between multiple developed countries. But apparently there are too many shitheads currently governing (being politics or rich assholes) and too many stupid people to deepthroat everything they say.

在这一点上,我们还不如只有三个大国,而不是 200 多个国家:美国、中国、俄罗斯。
我年轻时曾天真地以为,多个发达国家之间永远不会再发生大规模战争。但很显然,目前执政的屎壳郎(政治家或有钱的混蛋)太多了,愚蠢的人也太多了,以至于他们说的每一句话都会被人深信不疑。

K1ngk1ller71
US, China , Russia, and Europia.
I read somewhere (no real evidence) that if Europe got together it would form the second biggest military in the world. Not including nukes though, Russia and US are off the charts with those.

美国、中国、俄罗斯和欧洲。
我在某处读到(没有真凭实据),如果欧洲联合起来,将形成世界第二大军事力量。但这不包括核武器,俄罗斯和美国的核武器数量已经远远超过了其他国家。

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Exodys03
It's a sad state of affairs when citizens have to wonder whether or not they should be taking what their President says seriously or literally. It is pretty impressive, however, how many countries Trump has managed to alienate before ever taking office.

当公民不得不怀疑自己是否应该认真对待总统所说的话时,这真是一种悲哀。不过,特朗普在上任之前就已经疏远了这么多国家,这确实令人印象深刻。

CLKguy1991
So hear me out - maybe we should expel USA from NATO. Yes, we will lose a lot of power on paper, but at least we then have a true picture of our collective defence and start acting on it.
US is fucking done and gone. And they should no longer have any say in who can and can't have nukes in new NATO

听我说完--也许我们应该把美国逐出北约。是的,我们会失去很多纸面上的实力,但至少我们可以真正了解我们的集体防御,并开始采取行动。
美国已经他妈的完了,没了。他们也不应该再对新北约中谁可以拥有和不可以拥有核武器有任何发言权。

8192K
Europe and Canada need to become super close now.
Greenland, and probably Norway and the UK, too, need to think of (re)joining the EU asap.
Only together against this asshole!

欧洲和加拿大现在需要变得超级亲密。
格陵兰岛,可能还有挪威和英国,需要考虑尽快(重新)加入欧盟。
只有团结起来,才能对抗这个混蛋!

aHMMu20
It’s really fascinating how the Overton Window can shift swiftly! Just a few months ago, a statement like this would sound like a madness, but now it’s just logical — for some people at least!
Yes the US needs to be less dependent on China when it comes to resources and Greenland is a rich land with many of them. And yes “security” is used as a smoke screen to justify the move. But seeing how the whole conversation progressed is just interesting, and kinda crazy!
Yet if the US did that move, Greenland would be one of the few countries which got invaded for its resources in a peaceful and non-destructive manner. Saying that as the US is well known to factory reset the lands rich with resources they need.

奥弗顿之窗能迅速转变,真是令人赞叹!就在几个月前,这样的言论听起来还像是疯言疯语,但现在至少对某些人来说是合乎逻辑的!
是的,在资源方面,美国需要减少对中国的依赖,而格陵兰岛是一块富饶的土地,拥有许多资源。是的,“安全”是为这一举动辩护的烟幕弹。但是,看到整个对话的进展过程实在有趣,而且有点疯狂!
然而,如果美国真的采取这样的行动,格林兰将是为其资源而以和平和非破坏性的方式被侵占的少数国家之一。毕竟,美国以“初始化”那些富含他们所需资源的土地而闻名。
(“奥弗顿之窗”并非指实际的窗户,而是一个政治学概念,描述在特定时期内公众普遍接受的政策范围。这个概念由美国公共政策智库约瑟夫·P·奥弗顿中心提出。)

SpankThuMonkey
Imagine what the history books will write about this…
What a catastrophically stupid and embarrassing time to be an american.

想象一下,历史书上会怎么写这件事...
作为一个美国人,这是一个多么灾难性的愚蠢和尴尬的时代。

aussierulesisgrouse
Every person who voted for this is culpable. This isn’t the actions of a lone insane person, it’s the collective will of a voting class that was empowered by a failed democratic system and a political sphere that prioritises personality over policy.
It doesn’t matter if the voters were uninformed, undereducated, whatever, it is a failure that’s on the hands of everyone too stupid or too unempathetic to put the needs of the country above their petty biases.

每个给他投票的人都有责任。这不是一个人的疯狂行为,而是一个投票阶级的集体意志,这个投票阶级被失败的民主制度和重个性轻政策的政治领域赋予了权力。
选民是否不知情、受教育程度是否过低并不重要,重要的是每个人都太愚蠢或太缺乏同情心,不能将国家的需要置于自己的小偏见之上,这才是失败之处。

Tonguesten
every person who didn't vote in the election is also culpable. by not voting they are pretty much saying "i am okay with a harris presidency, but i am also okay with a trump presidency". their rationale for not voting doesn't matter. the truth of the matter is that they are okay with a second trump presidency.

每一个没有在选举中投票的人也应承担责任。通过不投票,他们实际上是在说“我对哈里斯的总统任期没问题,但我也对特朗普的总统任期没问题”。他们不投票的理由并不重要,事实是他们对特朗普第二次当选总统没有意见。

slickyeat
You should see the Fox News comment section.
These people have gone completely insane.

你应该看看福克斯新闻的评论区。
这些人已经完全疯了。

BiologyJ
Putin told Trump to ditch NATO and Europe. This is what him and Musk are doing. Trump is threatening Canada and Denmark, Musk is threatening Germany and England. Surprise surprise. These morons voted for Russian assets.

普京让特朗普抛弃北约和欧洲。这就是他和马斯克正在做的事。特朗普威胁加拿大和丹麦,马斯克威胁德国和英国。真是“出人意料”啊。这些蠢货把票投给了俄罗斯傀儡。

irispol
Yet this will completely dominate the media conversation for as long as he chooses to go on about it.
It's like he found a cheat code to make it so we can't not talk about him.

然而,只要他选择继续谈论这件事,这件事就会完全占据媒体话题的主导地位。
他就像找到了一个让我们无法不谈论他的作弊码。

EnigmaMoose
Russia and China eating popcorn right now as *** and Putin say they expect relations to get better and Trump sounding war drums against EU countries and Canada.
HMM… it’s almost like Trump was indeed bedfellows with the enemy.

俄罗斯和中国正在吃爆米花,***和普京说他们期待两国关系变得更好,而特朗普却对欧盟国家和加拿大敲响了战鼓。
嗯......这几乎就像特朗普确实与敌人同床共枕一样。

anemic_royaltea
I don't consider myself patriotic and generally see little-to-no positive value in such things, but this motherfucker is activating the maple in my blood... i'll be in the wilderness among the partisans at this rate.

我并不认为自己是爱国者,通常也不认为这种事情有什么积极意义,但这个混蛋正在激活我血液中的枫叶......照这样下去,我将成为荒野中的一名游击队员。

alwaysfatigued8787
Canada's not for sale, Trump. Go home, ya hoser.

加拿大不是可以拿来交易的,特朗普。回家去吧,你这个废物。

TouchTheKeysLightly
For fucks sake. Canada has done so much for the United States, shed blood for the United States, and this is the thanks they get.

看在上帝的份上。加拿大为美国做了那么多,为美国流血牺牲,而这就是他们得到的感谢。

Grand-Leg-1130
It’s easy to dismiss this as his usual bluster but I would like to remind people the upcoming cabinet are full of crazy fucks/loyalists and the military is populated by demographics who like trump and everything he represents.

很容易将这视为他一贯的夸夸其谈,但我想提醒大家,即将上任的内阁里充满了疯狂的家伙和对他忠诚的人,而军队中也有很多喜欢特朗普及其所代表的一切的人。

Fresh-Hedgehog1895
Trump can go fuck himself. Actually, America can go fuck itself too.

特朗普可以去死了。事实上,美国也可以去死了。

thefinalcutdown
Yeah I’m at the point where if the American people are willing to stand by and let this happen, they can all go to hell.
And to any Americans saying “oh I’m so sorry, this is so embarrassing,” fuck your apologies. We don’t need them. We need action. We need our centuries of friendship to actually fucking mean something.

是啊,如果美国人民愿意袖手旁观,任由这种事情发生,他们都可以去死了。
对于那些说 “哦,我很抱歉,这太尴尬了 ”的美国人,去你妈的道歉。我们不需要道歉。我们需要行动。我们需要我们几个世纪的友谊真正的体现。

GrumpyOik
Trump wants to annex Canada, Musk is calling for dissolution of the UK parliament.
Seriously - massive interference in the affairs of Canada and the UK, two of America's stongest allies. Who is pulling the strings here?

特朗普想吞并加拿大,马斯克呼吁解散英国议会。
说真的,美国最坚定的两个盟友加拿大和英国的事务受到了大规模干涉。到底是谁在幕后操纵?

CtrlShiftMake
Once is a joke, twice is a stale joke, but this is at least three times that I know about (probably more). It’s not a joke, it’s a statement of intent or at the very least a slap in the face to every Canadian.
I thought I couldn’t hate Trump more but turns out I was wrong.

一次是个笑话,两次是个老掉牙的笑话,但就我所知,这至少是第三次了(可能更多)。这不是玩笑,这是一种意图声明,或者至少是给每个加拿大人的一记耳光。
我以为我不会更讨厌特朗普了,但事实证明我错了。

darthmarmite
So Trump want to merge Canada to the US…. Musk wants to invade and “liberate” the UK from its tyrannical government…
This is the problem with business leads turning politicians and wanting to run a country like a business… they aren’t fucking businesses! They are nations and cultures of people with their own elected leadership that you are not a part of. Just because you don’t like what they’re doing, doesn’t mean you can or should run it instead.
British and Canadian people are citizens, not employees that you can just buy to work for you instead.

特朗普想把加拿大并入美国....马斯克想入侵英国并将其从暴政中 “解放 ”出来...
这就是商业领袖变身政客,想要像经营企业一样经营国家的问题所在......他们不是他妈的企业!它们是由人民组成的国家和文化,有自己选出的领导层,而你并不是其中的一员。你不喜欢他们的所作所为,并不意味着你可以或应该代替他们管理国家。
英国人和加拿大人是公民,而不是你可以买来为你工作的雇员。

Sufficient-Prize-682
Over my literal dead body.

除非从我尸体上跨过去
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NOT_A_JABRONI
I love my American brothers and sisters but if he tried this shit, I would take the Lee-Enfield that my grandfather helped liberate Europe with and defend my country until I got strafed by an A-10 Warthog.

我爱我的美国兄弟姐妹,但如果他想这么做,我会拿着我祖父帮助解放欧洲的那把李-恩菲尔德手枪,保卫我的国家,直到被 A-10 疣猪扫射为止。

lolwut778
I've said multiple times before that it was not a joke, but some of you keep insisting "don't feed the troll". He's repeating these lines because he wants to test the waters. Now he's not even pretending to be joking anymore. It's time to face the truth that the US has become a security threat to Canada, and an existential one at that.
Edit: Now you can see American right wingers actively supporting annexation of Canada on Twitter. It's only been less than a month since he's first teased about making us the 51st state.

我之前已经说过很多次,这不是一个玩笑,但你们中的一些人一直坚持 “不要搭理巨魔”。他重复这些台词是因为他想试探一下。现在他甚至不再假装开玩笑了。是时候面对现实了,美国已经成为加拿大的安全威胁,而且是生存威胁。
编辑:现在你可以看到美国右翼分子在推特上积极支持吞并加拿大。从他第一次调侃要把我们变成第51个州到现在,还不到一个月的时间。

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