美国议员提出法案，若通过在美国下载 DeepSeek 将被定为犯罪，最高可判处 20 年监禁。
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US residents would soon need to pirate deepseek if they want to use it
美国居民要是想用 DeepSeek，很快就得去盗版了。
美国居民要是想用 DeepSeek，很快就得去盗版了。
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einzigwahrer333
likes: 1881
They love open source, but only if its from them
他们是喜欢开源，但得是他们自己搞出来的才行。
likes: 1881
They love open source, but only if its from them
他们是喜欢开源，但得是他们自己搞出来的才行。
Geoff_Uckersilf
likes: 241
And if they can make a buck off it.
还得是能让他们捞着钱才行。
likes: 241
And if they can make a buck off it.
还得是能让他们捞着钱才行。
NotIkura
likes: 50
Would this mean that it'll be illegal to host it on servers that are on US land as well? Since hosting is technically importing and exporting it as well.
We'll have to turn to PRC hosting platform to host it now?
这是不是说，以后在美国境内的服务器上托管这个东西也犯法了？ 毕竟托管也算是技术上的进出口嘛。 难道我们现在就得去找中国的服务器来托管了？
likes: 50
Would this mean that it'll be illegal to host it on servers that are on US land as well? Since hosting is technically importing and exporting it as well.
We'll have to turn to PRC hosting platform to host it now?
这是不是说，以后在美国境内的服务器上托管这个东西也犯法了？ 毕竟托管也算是技术上的进出口嘛。 难道我们现在就得去找中国的服务器来托管了？
poopBuccaneer
likes: 27
You can host in Canada. We'd be happy to take more American money. Honestly if I were a corporation anywhere, I'd be debating getting my infrastructure outside of the United States.
可以在加拿大托管啊。 我们可高兴多赚点美国佬的钱了。 说真的，我要是哪家公司，肯定得考虑把基础设施搬到美国境外去。
likes: 27
You can host in Canada. We'd be happy to take more American money. Honestly if I were a corporation anywhere, I'd be debating getting my infrastructure outside of the United States.
可以在加拿大托管啊。 我们可高兴多赚点美国佬的钱了。 说真的，我要是哪家公司，肯定得考虑把基础设施搬到美国境外去。
NotIkura
likes: 5
Yeah, but sadly most infrastructure are in the US, and most internet company are located in US.
Even if GitHub or Amazon host it on another country other than US, they are still subjected to US law. And if a company located outside US decided to not follow US law on this ban, they can embargo the company, forbidding them to use all US related technology.
So even if open source, sadly it is still subjected to US law regardless.
是啊，但可惜的是，大部分基础设施都在美国，大部分互联网公司也在美国。 就算 GitHub 或者亚马逊把东西放在美国以外的国家，还是得受美国法律管。 而且，要是有美国境外的公司不听美国这禁令，美国就能制裁他们，不让他们用任何跟美国技术沾边的东西。 所以说，就算开源也没用，最后还是得听美国的。
likes: 5
Yeah, but sadly most infrastructure are in the US, and most internet company are located in US.
Even if GitHub or Amazon host it on another country other than US, they are still subjected to US law. And if a company located outside US decided to not follow US law on this ban, they can embargo the company, forbidding them to use all US related technology.
So even if open source, sadly it is still subjected to US law regardless.
是啊，但可惜的是，大部分基础设施都在美国，大部分互联网公司也在美国。 就算 GitHub 或者亚马逊把东西放在美国以外的国家，还是得受美国法律管。 而且，要是有美国境外的公司不听美国这禁令，美国就能制裁他们，不让他们用任何跟美国技术沾边的东西。 所以说，就算开源也没用，最后还是得听美国的。
Fujinn981
likes: 11
These days that's becoming less and less true. While it still is, the US's position as a global superpower is waning thanks in part due to recent events, and thanks in part to various other powers catching up and in some ways even surpassing the complacent and decadent US.
现在这话越来越站不住脚了。 虽然现在还是这样，但美国这全球霸主的地位是越来越不行了，一部分是因为最近发生的那些事儿，一部分也是因为其他国家都追上来了，有些方面甚至超过了美国这个自满又腐朽的家伙。
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These days that's becoming less and less true. While it still is, the US's position as a global superpower is waning thanks in part due to recent events, and thanks in part to various other powers catching up and in some ways even surpassing the complacent and decadent US.
现在这话越来越站不住脚了。 虽然现在还是这样，但美国这全球霸主的地位是越来越不行了，一部分是因为最近发生的那些事儿，一部分也是因为其他国家都追上来了，有些方面甚至超过了美国这个自满又腐朽的家伙。
NotIkura
likes: 2
But US still hold the most patent law and most if not all technology company is US based.
If US embargo them from using US patent and US tech, most company would be out of juice. Not to mention US embargo usually applies to the whole world except maybe China, India and Russia
但美国现在还是专利法最多，而且大部分科技公司，就算不是全部，也都在美国。 要是美国不让他们用美国专利和技术，大部分公司都得歇菜。 更别说美国的制裁一般都是全球性的，可能就中国、印度、俄罗斯能躲开。
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But US still hold the most patent law and most if not all technology company is US based.
If US embargo them from using US patent and US tech, most company would be out of juice. Not to mention US embargo usually applies to the whole world except maybe China, India and Russia
但美国现在还是专利法最多，而且大部分科技公司，就算不是全部，也都在美国。 要是美国不让他们用美国专利和技术，大部分公司都得歇菜。 更别说美国的制裁一般都是全球性的，可能就中国、印度、俄罗斯能躲开。
Fujinn981
likes: 3
As said, they hold all of that for now. Right now they're giving up a lot of their soft power which is their key to keeping all of that in place. They've already alienated my home country, Canada. They're in the process of alienating the EU, have alienated Mexico and so on and have proven they're absolutely unreliable. The days of the US being the world police are over if this continues.
就像我说的，他们现在是占着这些东西。 但他们现在正在丢掉很多软实力，这软实力才是他们能维持住这些东西的关键。 他们已经跟我老家加拿大闹掰了。 还在跟欧盟闹，墨西哥也得罪了，反正就是证明了他们完全靠不住。 要是这样下去，美国当世界警察的日子就到头了。
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As said, they hold all of that for now. Right now they're giving up a lot of their soft power which is their key to keeping all of that in place. They've already alienated my home country, Canada. They're in the process of alienating the EU, have alienated Mexico and so on and have proven they're absolutely unreliable. The days of the US being the world police are over if this continues.
就像我说的，他们现在是占着这些东西。 但他们现在正在丢掉很多软实力，这软实力才是他们能维持住这些东西的关键。 他们已经跟我老家加拿大闹掰了。 还在跟欧盟闹，墨西哥也得罪了，反正就是证明了他们完全靠不住。 要是这样下去，美国当世界警察的日子就到头了。
NotIkura
likes: 3
That's true, but sadly the alternative aren't anything better, even if we had one.
Canada don't have the soft power to become the next superpower, UK have their own problem, EU is too divided, India isn't prepared yet, and China is a dictatorship.
Perhaps decentralize is the way forward
这话没错，但可惜的是，就算有别的选择，也好不到哪儿去。 加拿大没那软实力当下一个霸主，英国自己一堆破事儿，欧盟又太散，印度还没准备好，中国又是DC。 可能去中心化才是出路。
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That's true, but sadly the alternative aren't anything better, even if we had one.
Canada don't have the soft power to become the next superpower, UK have their own problem, EU is too divided, India isn't prepared yet, and China is a dictatorship.
Perhaps decentralize is the way forward
这话没错，但可惜的是，就算有别的选择，也好不到哪儿去。 加拿大没那软实力当下一个霸主，英国自己一堆破事儿，欧盟又太散，印度还没准备好，中国又是DC。 可能去中心化才是出路。
Fujinn981
likes: 1
I think it will be decentralized for a while. Right now Canada is opening up more trade with the US and is likely to with China as well, and the UK too if our government plays its cards right, leading to a new trade bloc the US has little control over, which will push us closer to that direction. Personally I'm more excited than anything at the prospect as the US and its laws have stifled innovation, and served to only prop up monstrous monopolies.
我觉得去中心化会持续一段时间。 现在加拿大在跟美国扩大贸易，估计也会跟中国扩大，英国要是政府牌打得好也能加入，这样就能搞出一个美国管不着的新贸易集团，会把我们往那个方向推。 我个人还挺激动的，因为美国和他们的法律压制创新，只会扶持那些大垄断怪物。
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I think it will be decentralized for a while. Right now Canada is opening up more trade with the US and is likely to with China as well, and the UK too if our government plays its cards right, leading to a new trade bloc the US has little control over, which will push us closer to that direction. Personally I'm more excited than anything at the prospect as the US and its laws have stifled innovation, and served to only prop up monstrous monopolies.
我觉得去中心化会持续一段时间。 现在加拿大在跟美国扩大贸易，估计也会跟中国扩大，英国要是政府牌打得好也能加入，这样就能搞出一个美国管不着的新贸易集团，会把我们往那个方向推。 我个人还挺激动的，因为美国和他们的法律压制创新，只会扶持那些大垄断怪物。
Tompazi
likes: 7
How is hosting importing/exporting? And as for importing the software you can go the same route as PGP did when exporting cryptography was illegal.
托管怎么就变成进出口了？ 而且要说进口软件，你们可以学学当年 PGP 的招儿，那时候出口加密技术是违法的。
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How is hosting importing/exporting? And as for importing the software you can go the same route as PGP did when exporting cryptography was illegal.
托管怎么就变成进出口了？ 而且要说进口软件，你们可以学学当年 PGP 的招儿，那时候出口加密技术是违法的。
gobitecorn
likes: 10
> export
Bruh. Maybe you haven't seen the US government over the last 50 years or so.... But they pretty much don't give a fuck and will do anything to do whatever the fuck they want. Even if that means violating what is the spirit of law or fuck it thr actual laws!
That being said the whole TikTok ban thing is essentially a good recent showing of them contorting US-based businesses that host it with astronomical fines if they don't bend the knee. I can imagine something similar they can come up with in The New Land Of the Free. I mean the whole fact that they categorized encryption as munitions back in the days was actually their proto-display of their dire need to force its will and control..
“出口”
哥们儿，你可能是不了解美国政府这五十年来的尿性吧... 他们根本不在乎，想干什么就干什么。 就算违反法律精神，甚至直接违反法律，他们也照干不误！ 就说最近那个 TikTok 禁令，他们不就硬逼着美国公司，说你要是敢托管 TikTok 就罚你一大笔钱，看你跪不跪。 我估计在“自由的新大陆”上，他们也能搞出类似的幺蛾子。 你想想，他们当年把加密技术归类为军火，不就是赤裸裸地想强行控制一切吗？
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> export
Bruh. Maybe you haven't seen the US government over the last 50 years or so.... But they pretty much don't give a fuck and will do anything to do whatever the fuck they want. Even if that means violating what is the spirit of law or fuck it thr actual laws!
That being said the whole TikTok ban thing is essentially a good recent showing of them contorting US-based businesses that host it with astronomical fines if they don't bend the knee. I can imagine something similar they can come up with in The New Land Of the Free. I mean the whole fact that they categorized encryption as munitions back in the days was actually their proto-display of their dire need to force its will and control..
“出口”
哥们儿，你可能是不了解美国政府这五十年来的尿性吧... 他们根本不在乎，想干什么就干什么。 就算违反法律精神，甚至直接违反法律，他们也照干不误！ 就说最近那个 TikTok 禁令，他们不就硬逼着美国公司，说你要是敢托管 TikTok 就罚你一大笔钱，看你跪不跪。 我估计在“自由的新大陆”上，他们也能搞出类似的幺蛾子。 你想想，他们当年把加密技术归类为军火，不就是赤裸裸地想强行控制一切吗？
NotIkura
likes: 5
In order to host, you will have to download the weight from the developer (read, China) onto the server, hence by the bill's definition, is considered "importing China made AI".
At the same time, when you are hosting, you are allowing people to download the weight from your server, hence "exporting the AI made by China" by the definition of the bill.
要托管的话，你得先把模型权重从开发者那里（也就是中国）下载到服务器上，按这个法案的说法，这就叫“进口中国制造的 AI”。 同时，你托管了，就等于允许别人从你的服务器上下载权重，按这个法案的定义，又成了“出口中国制造的 AI”了。
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In order to host, you will have to download the weight from the developer (read, China) onto the server, hence by the bill's definition, is considered "importing China made AI".
At the same time, when you are hosting, you are allowing people to download the weight from your server, hence "exporting the AI made by China" by the definition of the bill.
要托管的话，你得先把模型权重从开发者那里（也就是中国）下载到服务器上，按这个法案的说法，这就叫“进口中国制造的 AI”。 同时，你托管了，就等于允许别人从你的服务器上下载权重，按这个法案的定义，又成了“出口中国制造的 AI”了。
-_-N0N4M3-_-
likes: 250
and they don't even have a good one.
“但得是他们自己搞出来的才行”
而且他们自己根本就没啥好用的。
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and they don't even have a good one.
“但得是他们自己搞出来的才行”
而且他们自己根本就没啥好用的。
rawrcutie
likes: 48
> They love open source
Do they?
“他们喜欢开源”
真的吗？
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> They love open source
Do they?
“他们喜欢开源”
真的吗？
SmokyBlueWindows
likes: 26
They love it when they can exploit it , then patent a version of it and use funding to destroy it and all competition around it.
他们喜欢的是能利用开源，然后自己搞个版本申请专利，再用钱砸死开源项目和所有竞争对手。
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They love it when they can exploit it , then patent a version of it and use funding to destroy it and all competition around it.
他们喜欢的是能利用开源，然后自己搞个版本申请专利，再用钱砸死开源项目和所有竞争对手。
Short_Change
likes: 17
They love open source so they can sell it. If some other country is preventing you from selling it for money, then jail them using it for free.
他们喜欢开源，是为了能拿去卖钱。 要是哪个国家不让你卖，还免费用你的开源，那就抓起来关监狱。
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They love open source so they can sell it. If some other country is preventing you from selling it for money, then jail them using it for free.
他们喜欢开源，是为了能拿去卖钱。 要是哪个国家不让你卖，还免费用你的开源，那就抓起来关监狱。
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jasonsuny
likes: 2905
truly the land of the free
真他妈是自由之地啊
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truly the land of the free
真他妈是自由之地啊
niberungvalesti
likes: 1182
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“收费”之地
likes: 1182
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“收费”之地
Hueyris
likes: 251
That is the most profound thing I have read all year. You sir, are a genius
这是我今年读到的最深刻的话了。 哥们，你真是个天才。
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That is the most profound thing I have read all year. You sir, are a genius
这是我今年读到的最深刻的话了。 哥们，你真是个天才。
ILoveRice444
likes: 138
Is this what they called American Dream?
这是他们所说的美国梦吗？
likes: 138
Is this what they called American Dream?
这是他们所说的美国梦吗？
Necessary_Tip_5295
likes: 260
**The reason they call it the American Dream is because you have to be asleep to believe it**. More so now
“他们叫它美国梦，是因为你得睡着了才信这玩意儿。” 现在更是这样。
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**The reason they call it the American Dream is because you have to be asleep to believe it**. More so now
“他们叫它美国梦，是因为你得睡着了才信这玩意儿。” 现在更是这样。
kamratjoel
likes: 101
At one point, around the late 90’s early 2000’s, something absurd like 25% of all prisoners in earth were in American prisons. Don’t recall the exact year and number, but I did an essay on racial profiling and prison statistics in the US.
我记得九十年代末，两千年初那会儿，地球上好像有百分之二十五的囚犯都在美国监狱里，离谱得要死。 具体哪年和数字我记不清了，但我当时写过一篇关于美国种族歧视和监狱统计的文章。
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At one point, around the late 90’s early 2000’s, something absurd like 25% of all prisoners in earth were in American prisons. Don’t recall the exact year and number, but I did an essay on racial profiling and prison statistics in the US.
我记得九十年代末，两千年初那会儿，地球上好像有百分之二十五的囚犯都在美国监狱里，离谱得要死。 具体哪年和数字我记不清了，但我当时写过一篇关于美国种族歧视和监狱统计的文章。
stupid_pun
likes: 100
It's still over 20% today.
现在也还是超过百分之二十呢。
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likes: 100
It's still over 20% today.
现在也还是超过百分之二十呢。
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kamratjoel
likes: 78
It’s really weird how any American can look at that and claim that they are living in the “land of the free”.
真搞不懂，美国人怎么好意思看着这数据，还说自己活在“自由之地”的。
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It’s really weird how any American can look at that and claim that they are living in the “land of the free”.
真搞不懂，美国人怎么好意思看着这数据，还说自己活在“自由之地”的。
RawrTheDinosawrr
likes: 68
most americans don't know that statistic and would probably tell you it's bs if you tried to tell them
大部分美国人都不知道这统计数据，你要是跟他们说，他们估计还觉得你在瞎扯淡。
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most americans don't know that statistic and would probably tell you it's bs if you tried to tell them
大部分美国人都不知道这统计数据，你要是跟他们说，他们估计还觉得你在瞎扯淡。
yaktoma2007
likes: 3
They call themselves the land of the free, but in reality, I have never heard more bullshit than that.
You are free to have a big corporation get their votes to run you over because lobbying made them count more than yours
You are free to have those votes ban your freedoms and revoke your human rights because some rich CEO thinks it's better if you don't exist.
You are free to sign a contract that leaves you with nothing in the end.
You are free to vote for only two presidents who will both ruin the country even more when they are done sipping soda in a bath of one of their 32 bathrooms in the white house.
You are free to be forced in military service once said president decides to declare a war.
他们自称自由之地，但说实话，我从没听过比这更扯的。
你可以“自由地”看着大公司用钱买通选票，碾压你的意志，因为游说集团让他们比你更有话语权。
你可以“自由地”看着这些选票剥夺你的自由，撤销你的人权，就因为某些有钱的 CEO 觉得你最好别存在。
你可以“自由地”签一份合同，最后什么都没剩下。
你可以“自由地”在俩总统里选一个，反正他们俩都会把国家搞得更糟，等他们在白宫三十几个浴室里的其中一个浴缸里喝完汽水再说。
你可以“自由地”被强制服兵役，只要这位总统哪天想不开要宣战。
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They call themselves the land of the free, but in reality, I have never heard more bullshit than that.
You are free to have a big corporation get their votes to run you over because lobbying made them count more than yours
You are free to have those votes ban your freedoms and revoke your human rights because some rich CEO thinks it's better if you don't exist.
You are free to sign a contract that leaves you with nothing in the end.
You are free to vote for only two presidents who will both ruin the country even more when they are done sipping soda in a bath of one of their 32 bathrooms in the white house.
You are free to be forced in military service once said president decides to declare a war.
他们自称自由之地，但说实话，我从没听过比这更扯的。
你可以“自由地”看着大公司用钱买通选票，碾压你的意志，因为游说集团让他们比你更有话语权。
你可以“自由地”看着这些选票剥夺你的自由，撤销你的人权，就因为某些有钱的 CEO 觉得你最好别存在。
你可以“自由地”签一份合同，最后什么都没剩下。
你可以“自由地”在俩总统里选一个，反正他们俩都会把国家搞得更糟，等他们在白宫三十几个浴室里的其中一个浴缸里喝完汽水再说。
你可以“自由地”被强制服兵役，只要这位总统哪天想不开要宣战。
Admiralthrawnbar
likes: -61
Tell me you don't understand how politics works without telling me you don't understand how politics works. These kinds of performative bills get submitted all the time and never passed.
你用你的行动告诉我你不懂政治的运作。 这种作秀一样的法案多了去了，从来没通过过。
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Tell me you don't understand how politics works without telling me you don't understand how politics works. These kinds of performative bills get submitted all the time and never passed.
你用你的行动告诉我你不懂政治的运作。 这种作秀一样的法案多了去了，从来没通过过。
DreadDiana
likes: 29
Previously, yes, but with the current state of American politics, the systems which were meant to prevent bills like this passing aren't exactly working as intended right now.
以前是这样没错，但现在美国政治这情况，本来是用来阻止这种法案通过的那些机制，现在不太好使了。
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Previously, yes, but with the current state of American politics, the systems which were meant to prevent bills like this passing aren't exactly working as intended right now.
以前是这样没错，但现在美国政治这情况，本来是用来阻止这种法案通过的那些机制，现在不太好使了。
greenknight
likes: 41
Oh, you thinking about the before times. This isn't the before times. There almost zerorule of law protecting regular people right now.
哦，你还活在过去呢。 现在不一样了。 现在几乎没啥法律能保护老百姓了。
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Oh, you thinking about the before times. This isn't the before times. There almost zerorule of law protecting regular people right now.
哦，你还活在过去呢。 现在不一样了。 现在几乎没啥法律能保护老百姓了。
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eriksrx
likes: 15
The rule of law will work as intended for regular people. But it won’t be protecting them. Not anymore.
法律还是会“按预期”运作的，对老百姓来说。 只不过，它不会保护老百姓了。 现在不会了。
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The rule of law will work as intended for regular people. But it won’t be protecting them. Not anymore.
法律还是会“按预期”运作的，对老百姓来说。 只不过，它不会保护老百姓了。 现在不会了。
tariffless
likes: 6
Well, can you explain how politics works? I mean, do you actually understand what specifically happens in between a bill like this being introduced and a bill like this being passed, and why in this particular case that process isn't going to happen?
Or are you just working on a superficial level of understanding, where you are aware that there are lots of bills that don't get passed, so you assume this is one of them? Are you counting on the fact that because so many bills that aren't "must pass" bills don't pass, then it doesn't matter what the specific bill is because as long as you guess that the bill won't pass, you have a decent chance of guessing right?
Do you have an explanation for why the bill banning tiktok passed but this one won't?
那你能解释解释政治是怎么运作的吗？ 我的意思是，你真明白这种法案从提出到通过，中间具体会发生什么吗？ 还有，你真知道为什么这次这个法案就通不过吗？
还是说你只是停留在表面理解，知道有很多法案没通过，就觉得这个也是其中之一？ 你是觉得反正那么多“不是非过不可”的法案都通不过，所以具体是什么法案都无所谓，只要猜它通不过，就大概率猜对？
你能解释一下，为什么禁 TikTok 的法案通过了，这个就通不过吗？
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Well, can you explain how politics works? I mean, do you actually understand what specifically happens in between a bill like this being introduced and a bill like this being passed, and why in this particular case that process isn't going to happen?
Or are you just working on a superficial level of understanding, where you are aware that there are lots of bills that don't get passed, so you assume this is one of them? Are you counting on the fact that because so many bills that aren't "must pass" bills don't pass, then it doesn't matter what the specific bill is because as long as you guess that the bill won't pass, you have a decent chance of guessing right?
Do you have an explanation for why the bill banning tiktok passed but this one won't?
那你能解释解释政治是怎么运作的吗？ 我的意思是，你真明白这种法案从提出到通过，中间具体会发生什么吗？ 还有，你真知道为什么这次这个法案就通不过吗？
还是说你只是停留在表面理解，知道有很多法案没通过，就觉得这个也是其中之一？ 你是觉得反正那么多“不是非过不可”的法案都通不过，所以具体是什么法案都无所谓，只要猜它通不过，就大概率猜对？
你能解释一下，为什么禁 TikTok 的法案通过了，这个就通不过吗？
Kaionacho
likes: 4
Never say never in US politics
在美国政治里，永远别说“不可能”。
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Never say never in US politics
在美国政治里，永远别说“不可能”。
The_real_bandito
likes: 1190
US is so afraid about China beating them at their own game
美国太怕中国在他们擅长的领域超过他们了。
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US is so afraid about China beating them at their own game
美国太怕中国在他们擅长的领域超过他们了。
TraditionalEnergy956
likes: 377
China already did? The budget for deepseek was like a 5 million iirc, what was the cost of chat gpt?
中国不是已经超了吗？ DeepSeek 的预算我记得才五百万美元，ChatGPT 花了多少钱？
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China already did? The budget for deepseek was like a 5 million iirc, what was the cost of chat gpt?
中国不是已经超了吗？ DeepSeek 的预算我记得才五百万美元，ChatGPT 花了多少钱？
fiftyfourseventeen
likes: 13
5 million to go from their v3 model to r1, although they already had 50,000 GPUs from their parent hedge fund company
五百万美元是从他们的 v3 模型升级到 r1，而且他们母公司是对冲基金，本来就有五万个 GPU。
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5 million to go from their v3 model to r1, although they already had 50,000 GPUs from their parent hedge fund company
五百万美元是从他们的 v3 模型升级到 r1，而且他们母公司是对冲基金，本来就有五万个 GPU。
nh3zero
likes: 154
I doubt you fully understand the numbers here. For DeepSeek to have only spent $5.6 million, there would've absolutely had to be some heavy investment by another entity, which in this case is OpenAI. I believe The Primeagen has a good take on this matter, you can check out his videos.
This one: [https://youtu.be/2D9ON1ZQhnA?si=fDrn9gF-kdfzQQwY](https://youtu.be/2D9ON1ZQhnA?si=fDrn9gF-kdfzQQwY)
And this one (not so relevant to this discussion): [https://youtu.be/UB8tWlFQ00k?si=VwDBPL4mXEljKEN2](https://youtu.be/UB8tWlFQ00k?si=VwDBPL4mXEljKEN2)
我怀疑你没完全搞懂这数字。 DeepSeek 要是只花了 560 万美元，那肯定是有其他大金主投了不少钱，这个金主就是 OpenAI。 我觉得 The Primeagen 对这事儿分析得挺好，你可以看看他的视频。
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I doubt you fully understand the numbers here. For DeepSeek to have only spent $5.6 million, there would've absolutely had to be some heavy investment by another entity, which in this case is OpenAI. I believe The Primeagen has a good take on this matter, you can check out his videos.
This one: [https://youtu.be/2D9ON1ZQhnA?si=fDrn9gF-kdfzQQwY](https://youtu.be/2D9ON1ZQhnA?si=fDrn9gF-kdfzQQwY)
And this one (not so relevant to this discussion): [https://youtu.be/UB8tWlFQ00k?si=VwDBPL4mXEljKEN2](https://youtu.be/UB8tWlFQ00k?si=VwDBPL4mXEljKEN2)
我怀疑你没完全搞懂这数字。 DeepSeek 要是只花了 560 万美元，那肯定是有其他大金主投了不少钱，这个金主就是 OpenAI。 我觉得 The Primeagen 对这事儿分析得挺好，你可以看看他的视频。
Chaoswind2
likes: 147
Deepseek logic model is an improvement on the software they did to accommodate for their lesser resources, the US AI sucks because they figured out brute force hardware works to the US benefit because no country besides them can afford such a method.
Like many things in the USA, the inefficient use of resources IS the point, that is why you have no public transportation (to sell more cars), why you have cost overruns with every project and why your military hasn't passed a single audit everything is more expensive because it has to be expensive... All the inefficiencies reminds me of the USSR.
DeepSeek 的逻辑模型，是他们在资源不足的情况下，为了适应环境搞出来的改进。 美国的人工智能不行，是因为他们发现靠堆硬件硬算，对美国有利，因为除了美国，没哪个国家能负担得起这种搞法。
就像美国很多事情一样，低效利用资源才是重点。 这就是为啥你们没公共交通（为了多卖车），为啥每个项目都超预算，为啥你们军队从来没通过过一次审计。 所有东西都更贵，因为就得贵才行... 这种种低效，让我想起了苏联。
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Deepseek logic model is an improvement on the software they did to accommodate for their lesser resources, the US AI sucks because they figured out brute force hardware works to the US benefit because no country besides them can afford such a method.
Like many things in the USA, the inefficient use of resources IS the point, that is why you have no public transportation (to sell more cars), why you have cost overruns with every project and why your military hasn't passed a single audit everything is more expensive because it has to be expensive... All the inefficiencies reminds me of the USSR.
DeepSeek 的逻辑模型，是他们在资源不足的情况下，为了适应环境搞出来的改进。 美国的人工智能不行，是因为他们发现靠堆硬件硬算，对美国有利，因为除了美国，没哪个国家能负担得起这种搞法。
就像美国很多事情一样，低效利用资源才是重点。 这就是为啥你们没公共交通（为了多卖车），为啥每个项目都超预算，为啥你们军队从来没通过过一次审计。 所有东西都更贵，因为就得贵才行... 这种种低效，让我想起了苏联。
Houdinii1984
likes: -8
You're kinda talking about the government, and the government isn't producing models. In this case, the main cost driver is training and labor, and labor in the US is expensive. Granted they used people all over the world to scrape, but much of this material is available for DeepSeek to use. On top of that, they used ChatGPT to train Deepseek itself. So the training materials and labor were far cheaper.
That's also if you honestly trust the figures. Compute isn't cheap anywhere, even China, and the numbers they are quoting are so ungodly low, it's making a lot of people look into it and realize it's probably nowhere near that low. Either way, it's far FAR cheaper when someone else built the foundation you're working on.
Also, they didn't include the hardware in the price: [https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/31/deepseeks-hardware-spend-could-be-as-high-as-500-million-report.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/31/deepseeks-hardware-spend-could-be-as-high-as-500-million-report.html)
Not to say it wasn't cheap, but it wasn't only 5 million either.
你说的有点跑题了，政府又不搞模型。 现在主要花钱的地方是训练模型和人工，美国的劳动力是很贵的。 当然，他们是用了世界各地的人来抓取数据，但 DeepSeek 也能用很多公开的数据。 而且，他们还用 ChatGPT 来训练 DeepSeek 。 所以训练材料和人工都便宜得多。
当然，前提是你真信那些数字。 算力在哪儿都不便宜，就算在中国也一样，他们报的数字低的离谱，很多人都在研究这事儿，发现实际成本可能根本没那么低。 但不管怎么说，要是有人帮你打好了基础，你再往上盖，肯定便宜得多。
而且，他们还没把硬件算进去：[链接]
不是说不便宜，但肯定不止五百万美元。
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You're kinda talking about the government, and the government isn't producing models. In this case, the main cost driver is training and labor, and labor in the US is expensive. Granted they used people all over the world to scrape, but much of this material is available for DeepSeek to use. On top of that, they used ChatGPT to train Deepseek itself. So the training materials and labor were far cheaper.
That's also if you honestly trust the figures. Compute isn't cheap anywhere, even China, and the numbers they are quoting are so ungodly low, it's making a lot of people look into it and realize it's probably nowhere near that low. Either way, it's far FAR cheaper when someone else built the foundation you're working on.
Also, they didn't include the hardware in the price: [https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/31/deepseeks-hardware-spend-could-be-as-high-as-500-million-report.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/31/deepseeks-hardware-spend-could-be-as-high-as-500-million-report.html)
Not to say it wasn't cheap, but it wasn't only 5 million either.
你说的有点跑题了，政府又不搞模型。 现在主要花钱的地方是训练模型和人工，美国的劳动力是很贵的。 当然，他们是用了世界各地的人来抓取数据，但 DeepSeek 也能用很多公开的数据。 而且，他们还用 ChatGPT 来训练 DeepSeek 。 所以训练材料和人工都便宜得多。
当然，前提是你真信那些数字。 算力在哪儿都不便宜，就算在中国也一样，他们报的数字低的离谱，很多人都在研究这事儿，发现实际成本可能根本没那么低。 但不管怎么说，要是有人帮你打好了基础，你再往上盖，肯定便宜得多。
而且，他们还没把硬件算进去：[链接]
不是说不便宜，但肯定不止五百万美元。
Chaoswind2
likes: 14
The waste is in the system, your farmers destroy crops and dump milk rather than sell it bellow market prices, your markets and restaurants dump food by the truck loads rather than donating it or making a system to bio recycle it. The entire edifice of the United States of America is a tribute to waste and inefficient use of resources...
浪费是体制性的，你们的农民宁可毁掉庄稼，倒掉牛奶，也不肯低价卖。 你们的市场和餐馆，一卡车一卡车地倒食物，也不捐出去，或者搞个系统生物回收。 整个美利坚合众国，就是浪费和低效利用资源的丰碑...
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The waste is in the system, your farmers destroy crops and dump milk rather than sell it bellow market prices, your markets and restaurants dump food by the truck loads rather than donating it or making a system to bio recycle it. The entire edifice of the United States of America is a tribute to waste and inefficient use of resources...
浪费是体制性的，你们的农民宁可毁掉庄稼，倒掉牛奶，也不肯低价卖。 你们的市场和餐馆，一卡车一卡车地倒食物，也不捐出去，或者搞个系统生物回收。 整个美利坚合众国，就是浪费和低效利用资源的丰碑...
Houdinii1984
likes: -4
That's got nothing to do with China being able to do something impossibly cheap. You're just jabbing at the west at this point. The west being wasteful doesn't make things impossibly cheap in China. It still requires a ton of video cards, and those video cards are priced in US dollars. As long as China uses US video cards, then China's participating in the wastefulness and has to deal with the same exact expenses.
这跟中国能把东西做得特别便宜没关系。 你现在只是想怼西方。 西方浪费，又不会让中国的东西变得特别便宜。 还是得用一大堆显卡，显卡还是美元定价的。 只要中国用美国的显卡，那中国也一样参与了浪费，也得承担一样的成本。
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That's got nothing to do with China being able to do something impossibly cheap. You're just jabbing at the west at this point. The west being wasteful doesn't make things impossibly cheap in China. It still requires a ton of video cards, and those video cards are priced in US dollars. As long as China uses US video cards, then China's participating in the wastefulness and has to deal with the same exact expenses.
这跟中国能把东西做得特别便宜没关系。 你现在只是想怼西方。 西方浪费，又不会让中国的东西变得特别便宜。 还是得用一大堆显卡，显卡还是美元定价的。 只要中国用美国的显卡，那中国也一样参与了浪费，也得承担一样的成本。
Chaoswind2
likes: 4
You mean Taiwanese cards, and they had very limited access to those cards that is why they had to make do with far less.
You are working off a napkin calculation that the Chinese MUST have had access to half a billion dollars of equipment to make this AI, but the point you are missing is that their software improvements were done as a side project that used the equipment they already had for other task.
Open AI, META and Google are scamming investors demanding resources they don't really need because brute force is easier for them, this is why our web browsers and programs need several gigs of memory these days, doing more with less is no longer a goal to strive for in most countries these days.
你说的是台湾（地区）的卡吧，而且他们能搞到的卡也很有限，所以才不得不尽量少用资源。
你以为中国人肯定得花五亿美元的设备才能搞出这 AI，这是你一厢情愿的算法。 但你没看到的是，他们的软件改进是顺带搞出来的，用的还是他们本来就有的设备，那些设备本来是用来干别的的。
OpenAI、Meta 和谷歌，都在忽悠投资人，要他们投根本不需要的资源，因为对他们来说，硬堆资源最省事儿。 这就是为什么现在的浏览器和程序都动不动要好几个 G 内存。 现在大部分国家都不追求少花钱多办事儿了。
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You mean Taiwanese cards, and they had very limited access to those cards that is why they had to make do with far less.
You are working off a napkin calculation that the Chinese MUST have had access to half a billion dollars of equipment to make this AI, but the point you are missing is that their software improvements were done as a side project that used the equipment they already had for other task.
Open AI, META and Google are scamming investors demanding resources they don't really need because brute force is easier for them, this is why our web browsers and programs need several gigs of memory these days, doing more with less is no longer a goal to strive for in most countries these days.
你说的是台湾（地区）的卡吧，而且他们能搞到的卡也很有限，所以才不得不尽量少用资源。
你以为中国人肯定得花五亿美元的设备才能搞出这 AI，这是你一厢情愿的算法。 但你没看到的是，他们的软件改进是顺带搞出来的，用的还是他们本来就有的设备，那些设备本来是用来干别的的。
OpenAI、Meta 和谷歌，都在忽悠投资人，要他们投根本不需要的资源，因为对他们来说，硬堆资源最省事儿。 这就是为什么现在的浏览器和程序都动不动要好几个 G 内存。 现在大部分国家都不追求少花钱多办事儿了。
SupremeLynx
likes: 182
OpenAI obviously did not violate any TOS or Copyright law when training on literally on the whole internet and literary material there is. In big games like this none of them play by the rules. The rules come after for the startups to not be able to catch up.
Look at Meta, Google, Amazon etc. All of them violated everything you could imagine. After they secured their power, rules were created so that anyone except those with massive wealth and infrastructure could compete at the space.
OpenAI 训练模型的时候，抓取了整个互联网和所有文学作品，显然没违反任何服务条款或者版权法。 在这种大玩家的游戏里，谁都不会按规矩来。 规矩都是后来给创业公司定的，免得他们追上来。
看看 Meta、谷歌、亚马逊这些公司，哪个没干过你能想到的各种违规事儿？ 等他们坐稳了位置，就开始立规矩，让除了那些有钱有势的公司，谁都别想跟他们竞争。
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OpenAI obviously did not violate any TOS or Copyright law when training on literally on the whole internet and literary material there is. In big games like this none of them play by the rules. The rules come after for the startups to not be able to catch up.
Look at Meta, Google, Amazon etc. All of them violated everything you could imagine. After they secured their power, rules were created so that anyone except those with massive wealth and infrastructure could compete at the space.
OpenAI 训练模型的时候，抓取了整个互联网和所有文学作品，显然没违反任何服务条款或者版权法。 在这种大玩家的游戏里，谁都不会按规矩来。 规矩都是后来给创业公司定的，免得他们追上来。
看看 Meta、谷歌、亚马逊这些公司，哪个没干过你能想到的各种违规事儿？ 等他们坐稳了位置，就开始立规矩，让除了那些有钱有势的公司，谁都别想跟他们竞争。
Positive_Lettuce_641
likes: 17
Not only are they there to protect against competition, I suspect they provide a way for the influential members of government to keep these tech CEOs under their thumb, "Oh you broke all these rules while running your company, do what we say or we'll start legal proceedings against you."
我觉得他们不光是为了防竞争，还想借此控制那些科技公司的 CEO。 “哦，你公司运营的时候违反了这么多规矩，听我们的，不然我们就告你。”
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Not only are they there to protect against competition, I suspect they provide a way for the influential members of government to keep these tech CEOs under their thumb, "Oh you broke all these rules while running your company, do what we say or we'll start legal proceedings against you."
我觉得他们不光是为了防竞争，还想借此控制那些科技公司的 CEO。 “哦，你公司运营的时候违反了这么多规矩，听我们的，不然我们就告你。”
ATAGChozo
likes: 75
Capitalists: "Ah, the free market, where the best compete and the strongest come out on top"
Capitalists when the competition is a Chinese company that trounces their models is way cheaper: "Waaaaaaaaaa no fair!!!"
资本家：“啊，自由市场，优胜劣汰，强者生存。”
当竞争对手是中国公司，模型比他们好，价格还便宜的时候，资本家：“哇哇哇哇哇，不公平！！！”
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Capitalists: "Ah, the free market, where the best compete and the strongest come out on top"
Capitalists when the competition is a Chinese company that trounces their models is way cheaper: "Waaaaaaaaaa no fair!!!"
资本家：“啊，自由市场，优胜劣汰，强者生存。”
当竞争对手是中国公司，模型比他们好，价格还便宜的时候，资本家：“哇哇哇哇哇，不公平！！！”
-_-N0N4M3-_-
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Can't compete? Just ban it—The US way of 'freedom.
竞争不过？ 那就禁了它——这就是美国的“自由”。
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Can't compete? Just ban it—The US way of 'freedom.
竞争不过？ 那就禁了它——这就是美国的“自由”。
TiredOfBeingTired28
likes: 48
'Also "don't want to compete."
也可以说“不想竞争”。
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'Also "don't want to compete."
也可以说“不想竞争”。
ShreeyanxRaina
likes: 649
"The closer the collapse of an empire, the crazier its laws are."
“帝国越是临近崩溃，法律就越是荒唐。”
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"The closer the collapse of an empire, the crazier its laws are."
“帝国越是临近崩溃，法律就越是荒唐。”
niberungvalesti
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The broligarchy doesn't want pesky competition or to create anything other than the dystopia they've envisioned.
这帮 “兄弟会寡头” 就是不想有烦人的竞争，也不想创造任何东西，只想搞他们YY出来的那种反乌托邦。
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The broligarchy doesn't want pesky competition or to create anything other than the dystopia they've envisioned.
这帮 “兄弟会寡头” 就是不想有烦人的竞争，也不想创造任何东西，只想搞他们YY出来的那种反乌托邦。
das_zwerg
likes: 180
Remember when an adversarial nation developing competing technology triggered nation wide calls to action go do it first/better? Thinking space race, making the first atom bomb, nuclear arms race (unfortunately), stuff like that? Now companies and the government sit down in a corner and pout like a new kid just came to class with cooler blocks. DeepSeek is a perfect vehicle to revitalize the tech sector and put it into overdrive. American companies have been resting on their laurels as if they're the permanent champions forever. If anyone makes something better, they cry that the tech was stolen instead of making any attempt to compete.
So fucking asinine. Think of the job creation that competitive growth manifests. CEOs should be rattled and gearing up for a real competition. Instead they cry into the pockets of lawmakers to effectively try to make market based competition illegal.
Why does every decade I survive need to get dumber?
还记得以前吗？ 要是有哪个敌对国家搞出了什么有竞争力的技术，全国上下都会呼吁赶紧行动，要抢在他们前面，做得更好！ 想想太空竞赛，造原子弹，核军备竞赛（虽然不幸），都是这样吧？ 现在呢？ 公司和政府就缩在角落里，像个新来的小孩，看到别人拿了更酷的积木，就在那儿噘嘴。 DeepSeek 明明是个绝好的机会，能让科技行业重焕生机，加速发展。 美国公司就躺在功劳簿上睡大觉，好像自己永远是冠军似的。 要是有谁做得更好，他们就哭着喊着说技术被偷了，根本不想着去竞争。
真是他妈的蠢到家了。 想想有竞争的增长能创造多少就业机会啊。 CEO 们应该慌了神，赶紧准备真刀真枪地干一场。 结果呢？ 他们就知道哭着喊着找议员塞钱，想让市场竞争变成非法。
怎么感觉我活着的每十年，世界都要变得更傻逼一点？
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Remember when an adversarial nation developing competing technology triggered nation wide calls to action go do it first/better? Thinking space race, making the first atom bomb, nuclear arms race (unfortunately), stuff like that? Now companies and the government sit down in a corner and pout like a new kid just came to class with cooler blocks. DeepSeek is a perfect vehicle to revitalize the tech sector and put it into overdrive. American companies have been resting on their laurels as if they're the permanent champions forever. If anyone makes something better, they cry that the tech was stolen instead of making any attempt to compete.
So fucking asinine. Think of the job creation that competitive growth manifests. CEOs should be rattled and gearing up for a real competition. Instead they cry into the pockets of lawmakers to effectively try to make market based competition illegal.
Why does every decade I survive need to get dumber?
还记得以前吗？ 要是有哪个敌对国家搞出了什么有竞争力的技术，全国上下都会呼吁赶紧行动，要抢在他们前面，做得更好！ 想想太空竞赛，造原子弹，核军备竞赛（虽然不幸），都是这样吧？ 现在呢？ 公司和政府就缩在角落里，像个新来的小孩，看到别人拿了更酷的积木，就在那儿噘嘴。 DeepSeek 明明是个绝好的机会，能让科技行业重焕生机，加速发展。 美国公司就躺在功劳簿上睡大觉，好像自己永远是冠军似的。 要是有谁做得更好，他们就哭着喊着说技术被偷了，根本不想着去竞争。
真是他妈的蠢到家了。 想想有竞争的增长能创造多少就业机会啊。 CEO 们应该慌了神，赶紧准备真刀真枪地干一场。 结果呢？ 他们就知道哭着喊着找议员塞钱，想让市场竞争变成非法。
怎么感觉我活着的每十年，世界都要变得更傻逼一点？
Kimantha_Allerdings
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I love OpenAI complaining about someone stealing their training data. It's like, "okay, and where did you get that data from?"
我真是太爱看 OpenAI 抱怨别人偷他们训练数据了。比如说：“好吧，那你的数据又是从哪儿来的？”
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I love OpenAI complaining about someone stealing their training data. It's like, "okay, and where did you get that data from?"
我真是太爱看 OpenAI 抱怨别人偷他们训练数据了。比如说：“好吧，那你的数据又是从哪儿来的？”
BeefistPrime
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Still, they took a lot of public data and did a ton of work to make it into something useful to AI. If you steal the data they made, after they put in all the work, that's not doing the same thing as scraping public data, that's intellectual property theft / theft of the work they did.
I'm not saying OpenAI is in the free and clear for their training data in the first place, but these are two significantly different actions.
但说实话，他们确实用了大量的公开数据，也花了很多功夫，才把这些数据变成对 AI 有用的东西。 你要是偷了他们做出来的数据，那跟抓取公开数据不一样，那是偷知识产权，偷他们劳动成果。
我不是说 OpenAI 一开始搞训练数据就完全没问题，但这两件事儿性质完全不一样。
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Still, they took a lot of public data and did a ton of work to make it into something useful to AI. If you steal the data they made, after they put in all the work, that's not doing the same thing as scraping public data, that's intellectual property theft / theft of the work they did.
I'm not saying OpenAI is in the free and clear for their training data in the first place, but these are two significantly different actions.
但说实话，他们确实用了大量的公开数据，也花了很多功夫，才把这些数据变成对 AI 有用的东西。 你要是偷了他们做出来的数据，那跟抓取公开数据不一样，那是偷知识产权，偷他们劳动成果。
我不是说 OpenAI 一开始搞训练数据就完全没问题，但这两件事儿性质完全不一样。
原创翻译：龙腾网 https://www.ltaaa.cn 转载请注明出处
alphonseharry
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OpenAI literally stealing copyright works even using torrent to download books and train their models. It ia not just public data. It is not different
OpenAI 明明就是明抢版权作品，甚至用 BT 下载盗版书来训练模型。 根本不是什么“公开数据”。 性质完全一样。
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OpenAI literally stealing copyright works even using torrent to download books and train their models. It ia not just public data. It is not different
OpenAI 明明就是明抢版权作品，甚至用 BT 下载盗版书来训练模型。 根本不是什么“公开数据”。 性质完全一样。
dandrevee
likes: 22
I think back to the 00s and thinking it couldnt get worse than Cheney, W, the Clinton scandal, hanging chads, or NCLB.
Then, despite a few repreives, it did get worse.
我回想起 2000 年前后，当时觉得切尼、小布什、克林顿丑闻、“悬而未决的选票”、还有“不让一个孩子落后”法案，已经够糟糕了。
结果呢，虽然中间稍微好过一点，但还是越来越糟。
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I think back to the 00s and thinking it couldnt get worse than Cheney, W, the Clinton scandal, hanging chads, or NCLB.
Then, despite a few repreives, it did get worse.
我回想起 2000 年前后，当时觉得切尼、小布什、克林顿丑闻、“悬而未决的选票”、还有“不让一个孩子落后”法案，已经够糟糕了。
结果呢，虽然中间稍微好过一点，但还是越来越糟。
Usukidoll
likes: 47
Just like the Huawei ban, Chinese Electric Cars ban, TikTok ban, and now TP-lix routers are facing a ban too.
You get a ban! And you get a ban! EVERYONE GETS A BAN!
就像华为禁令、中国电动车禁令、TikTok 禁令一样，现在 TP-lix 路由器也要被禁了。
你被禁了！你被禁了！ 大家都有份，人人有禁令！
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Just like the Huawei ban, Chinese Electric Cars ban, TikTok ban, and now TP-lix routers are facing a ban too.
You get a ban! And you get a ban! EVERYONE GETS A BAN!
就像华为禁令、中国电动车禁令、TikTok 禁令一样，现在 TP-lix 路由器也要被禁了。
你被禁了！你被禁了！ 大家都有份，人人有禁令！
youngsadsatan
likes: 76
"The greatest country in the world." "The land of free speech." "The American dream." "The land of opportunities." LMaoOO
“世界上最伟大的国家”，“言论自由之地”，“美国梦”，“机会之地”。 笑死我了。
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"The greatest country in the world." "The land of free speech." "The American dream." "The land of opportunities." LMaoOO
“世界上最伟大的国家”，“言论自由之地”，“美国梦”，“机会之地”。 笑死我了。
GrumpyScapegoat
likes: 34
Prisoner 1: “Whatcha in for?”
Prisoner 2: “I asked a chatbot to draft a birthday invitation.”
Prisoner 1: “You sick fuck!”
囚犯 1：“你犯啥事儿进来的？”
囚犯 2：“我让聊天机器人帮我写了个生日邀请函。”
囚犯 1：“你这变态！”
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Prisoner 1: “Whatcha in for?”
Prisoner 2: “I asked a chatbot to draft a birthday invitation.”
Prisoner 1: “You sick fuck!”
囚犯 1：“你犯啥事儿进来的？”
囚犯 2：“我让聊天机器人帮我写了个生日邀请函。”
囚犯 1：“你这变态！”
gwinerreniwg
likes: 13
I had no interest in DeepSeek until they told me I can’t have it…
我对 DeepSeek 本来没什么兴趣，直到他们告诉我我不能用...
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I had no interest in DeepSeek until they told me I can’t have it…
我对 DeepSeek 本来没什么兴趣，直到他们告诉我我不能用...
RidetheSchlange
likes: 47
Everyone worldwide should just mirror/seed the APK and make it too easy to find. For americans, easy is still too much effort. Make it too easy.
Crazy how within ten days the world is now looking at America as the existential threat to everything and China as the one that could save us.
全世界都应该镜像/做种 APK，让它变得极容易找到。 对美国人来说，就算很容易的事情对他们来说也还是太麻烦。 要让它变得“极其”容易 才行。
真是魔幻，短短十天，世界就觉得美国是对一切的生存威胁，而中国反倒成了能拯救我们的希望。
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Everyone worldwide should just mirror/seed the APK and make it too easy to find. For americans, easy is still too much effort. Make it too easy.
Crazy how within ten days the world is now looking at America as the existential threat to everything and China as the one that could save us.
全世界都应该镜像/做种 APK，让它变得极容易找到。 对美国人来说，就算很容易的事情对他们来说也还是太麻烦。 要让它变得“极其”容易 才行。
真是魔幻，短短十天，世界就觉得美国是对一切的生存威胁，而中国反倒成了能拯救我们的希望。
AtlasNL
likes: 26
It’s been that way for a while now. The US has never been a force of good.
这样子已经有一段时间了。美国从来都不是善良的力量。
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It’s been that way for a while now. The US has never been a force of good.
这样子已经有一段时间了。美国从来都不是善良的力量。
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