网友讨论：乌克兰会像朝鲜和韩国一样分裂为东乌克兰和西乌克兰吗？
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Will Ukraine split into East and West Ukraine like North and South Korea?
乌克兰会像朝鲜和韩国一样分裂为东乌克兰和西乌克兰吗？
Will Ukraine split into East and West Ukraine like North and South Korea?
乌克兰会像朝鲜和韩国一样分裂为东乌克兰和西乌克兰吗？
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Roman Podolyan, 1977-born Soviet Ukrainian from Kiev, have friends in Russia
I think it can, but Eastern parts won’t join Russia.
Ukraine already split up with Crimea joined Russia.
LPR and DPR, separatist enclaves, cooperate with Russia
我认为有可能，但东乌克兰不会加入俄罗斯。
当克里米亚加入俄罗斯的时候，乌克兰已然分裂。
卢甘斯克和顿涅茨克，两块分离主义飞地，也与俄罗斯有合作。
Even in cities closer to Central Ukraine pro-Western candidate and “ATO veteran” lost elections.
If the trend continues, West may finally get tired of it. Especially if non-Western parties gain considerable influence.
即使在靠近乌克兰中部的城市，亲西方的候选人和“ATO 退伍军人”也输掉了选举。
如果这种趋势继续下去，西方可能最终会感到厌倦。特别是如果非西方政党获得了相当大的影响。
On the other hand, Russia doesn’t seem to want to get more territories / citizens except for Crimea.
Myself I don’t think that Ukraine was, is or going to be united. At some point it may split. Eastern parts may not join Russia, but their relationships with Russia will be much better than now
另一方面，除了克里米亚之外，俄罗斯似乎并不想获得更多的领土/公民。
我自己认为乌克兰过去、现在或将来都不会统一。在某些时候它可能还会分裂。东部地区可能不会加入俄罗斯，但他们与俄罗斯的关系会比现在好得多。
Vasily Smith, lived in Russia
The only thing I would add is that Putin really succeeded in creating new united Ukraine out of very different parts of the country.
Of course he did not want to but credit goes to him.
In general everything guy does is very tactical (not strategic) and nearsighted.
Effects of his actions will be felt by generations of Russians.
Like making really bad enemies out of friends and Slavic brothers and starving Russian economy of any hope of investment.
我唯一要补充的是，普京真的成功地让这个国家的不同地区团结成了一个新的统一的乌克兰。
他当然不想这样，但功劳归于他。
一般来说，这个人所做的一切都是非常战术性的（不是战略性的）和短视的。
几代俄罗斯人都会感受到他行为的影响。
就像把朋友和斯拉夫兄弟变成真正的敌人，并让俄罗斯经济失去任何投资的希望一样。
Igor Markov, Can tell D.Kiselev from E.Kiselev
Not nearly.
For one, the areas in Eastern Ukraine under pro-Russin control are much smaller than the remaining Ukraine. They used to have denser population, but over a million people have fled that region. The remaining population is less than one tenth of Ukraine's population. In comparison, the two Koreas started as roughly equal in many ways and speaking the same language. As for languages, it is not quite accurate to assume that Eastern Ukraine is entirely Russian speaking. There used to be Ukrainian speaking villages right by the Russian border (I am afraid they have been pounded into oblivion), and many still remain elsewhere in Eastern Ukraine. The city of Mariupol (second largest) has many Ukrainian speakers, whereas even Russian speakers there tend to be pro-Ukraine.
完全不会。
一方面，亲俄势力控制下的乌克兰东部地区比其余的乌克兰地区小得多。他们曾经拥有更密集的人口，但已经有超过一百万人逃离了那个地区。剩下的人口不到乌克兰总人口的十分之一。相比之下，南北朝鲜一开始在很多方面都大致相同，而且说的是同一种语言。至于语言，假设乌克兰东部完全讲俄语是不太准确的。俄罗斯边境附近曾经有说乌克兰语的村庄（我担心他们已经被遗忘了），许多这样的村庄仍然分布于乌克兰东部的其他区域。马里乌波尔市（第二大城市）有许多讲乌克兰语的人，而即使是讲俄语的人也倾向于亲乌克兰。
Russia's official position is that Eastern Ukraine must be part of Ukraine.Russia wants to bias Ukraine a little away from the EU, and giving Eastern Ukraine a voice within Ukraine would be one way to achieve that.
A possible scenario would be Transnistria - a pro-Russian enclave within Moldova. However, it sets a poor example, as its population dropped by half in 20 years, and its economy is a zombie. Transnistria is propped by a Russian army brigade stationed there. But the place is cut from Russia, and Ukraine refused to let supply trains through. So, sooner or later Transnistria will collapse. In contrast, Russia could prevent Eastern Ukraine from getting back to normal for a very long time.
俄罗斯的官方立场是乌克兰东部必须是乌克兰的一部分。这件事情是由很多原因导致的。俄罗斯想让乌克兰稍微远离欧盟，让乌克兰东部在乌克兰内部发出声音是实现这一目标的一种方式。
一种可能的情况是，类似于德涅斯特河沿岸地区——摩尔多瓦境内的一个亲俄飞地。然而，它树立了一个糟糕的榜样，它的人口在 20 年内减少了一半，其经济也发展的一塌糊涂。德涅斯特河沿岸地区由驻扎在那里的俄罗斯陆军旅提供保护。但是这个地方被俄罗斯从乌克兰切割了出去，乌克兰拒绝让补给列车通过这里。所以，德涅斯特河沿岸迟早会崩溃。相比之下，俄罗斯可以在很长一段时间内阻止乌克兰东部恢复正常。
I think it can, but Eastern parts won’t join Russia.
Ukraine already split up with Crimea joined Russia.
LPR and DPR, separatist enclaves, cooperate with Russia
我认为有可能，但东乌克兰不会加入俄罗斯。
当克里米亚加入俄罗斯的时候，乌克兰已然分裂。
卢甘斯克和顿涅茨克，两块分离主义飞地，也与俄罗斯有合作。
Even in cities closer to Central Ukraine pro-Western candidate and “ATO veteran” lost elections.
If the trend continues, West may finally get tired of it. Especially if non-Western parties gain considerable influence.
即使在靠近乌克兰中部的城市，亲西方的候选人和“ATO 退伍军人”也输掉了选举。
如果这种趋势继续下去，西方可能最终会感到厌倦。特别是如果非西方政党获得了相当大的影响。
On the other hand, Russia doesn’t seem to want to get more territories / citizens except for Crimea.
Myself I don’t think that Ukraine was, is or going to be united. At some point it may split. Eastern parts may not join Russia, but their relationships with Russia will be much better than now
另一方面，除了克里米亚之外，俄罗斯似乎并不想获得更多的领土/公民。
我自己认为乌克兰过去、现在或将来都不会统一。在某些时候它可能还会分裂。东部地区可能不会加入俄罗斯，但他们与俄罗斯的关系会比现在好得多。
Vasily Smith, lived in Russia
The only thing I would add is that Putin really succeeded in creating new united Ukraine out of very different parts of the country.
Of course he did not want to but credit goes to him.
In general everything guy does is very tactical (not strategic) and nearsighted.
Effects of his actions will be felt by generations of Russians.
Like making really bad enemies out of friends and Slavic brothers and starving Russian economy of any hope of investment.
我唯一要补充的是，普京真的成功地让这个国家的不同地区团结成了一个新的统一的乌克兰。
他当然不想这样，但功劳归于他。
一般来说，这个人所做的一切都是非常战术性的（不是战略性的）和短视的。
几代俄罗斯人都会感受到他行为的影响。
就像把朋友和斯拉夫兄弟变成真正的敌人，并让俄罗斯经济失去任何投资的希望一样。
Igor Markov, Can tell D.Kiselev from E.Kiselev
Not nearly.
For one, the areas in Eastern Ukraine under pro-Russin control are much smaller than the remaining Ukraine. They used to have denser population, but over a million people have fled that region. The remaining population is less than one tenth of Ukraine's population. In comparison, the two Koreas started as roughly equal in many ways and speaking the same language. As for languages, it is not quite accurate to assume that Eastern Ukraine is entirely Russian speaking. There used to be Ukrainian speaking villages right by the Russian border (I am afraid they have been pounded into oblivion), and many still remain elsewhere in Eastern Ukraine. The city of Mariupol (second largest) has many Ukrainian speakers, whereas even Russian speakers there tend to be pro-Ukraine.
完全不会。
一方面，亲俄势力控制下的乌克兰东部地区比其余的乌克兰地区小得多。他们曾经拥有更密集的人口，但已经有超过一百万人逃离了那个地区。剩下的人口不到乌克兰总人口的十分之一。相比之下，南北朝鲜一开始在很多方面都大致相同，而且说的是同一种语言。至于语言，假设乌克兰东部完全讲俄语是不太准确的。俄罗斯边境附近曾经有说乌克兰语的村庄（我担心他们已经被遗忘了），许多这样的村庄仍然分布于乌克兰东部的其他区域。马里乌波尔市（第二大城市）有许多讲乌克兰语的人，而即使是讲俄语的人也倾向于亲乌克兰。
Russia's official position is that Eastern Ukraine must be part of Ukraine.Russia wants to bias Ukraine a little away from the EU, and giving Eastern Ukraine a voice within Ukraine would be one way to achieve that.
A possible scenario would be Transnistria - a pro-Russian enclave within Moldova. However, it sets a poor example, as its population dropped by half in 20 years, and its economy is a zombie. Transnistria is propped by a Russian army brigade stationed there. But the place is cut from Russia, and Ukraine refused to let supply trains through. So, sooner or later Transnistria will collapse. In contrast, Russia could prevent Eastern Ukraine from getting back to normal for a very long time.
俄罗斯的官方立场是乌克兰东部必须是乌克兰的一部分。这件事情是由很多原因导致的。俄罗斯想让乌克兰稍微远离欧盟，让乌克兰东部在乌克兰内部发出声音是实现这一目标的一种方式。
一种可能的情况是，类似于德涅斯特河沿岸地区——摩尔多瓦境内的一个亲俄飞地。然而，它树立了一个糟糕的榜样，它的人口在 20 年内减少了一半，其经济也发展的一塌糊涂。德涅斯特河沿岸地区由驻扎在那里的俄罗斯陆军旅提供保护。但是这个地方被俄罗斯从乌克兰切割了出去，乌克兰拒绝让补给列车通过这里。所以，德涅斯特河沿岸迟早会崩溃。相比之下，俄罗斯可以在很长一段时间内阻止乌克兰东部恢复正常。
