巴西最致命的贩毒团伙内部(一)
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巴西最致命的贩毒团伙内部

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H. Muse
A friend came to South Africa for the 2010 world cup and upon returning home, he spent a day at an airport because gangs were shooting at each other from across a major highway which had to be closed until the gangs stopped shooting.

我有一个朋友来南非观看2010年世界杯,回国后,他在机场呆了一天,因为黑帮在一条主要高速公路的两边互相射击,该公路不得不关闭,直到帮派停止射击为止。

Lucasart328
it happens everday

这种事情每天都在发生
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ValorZ
I am exercising my right to defend my castle with a passion thanks to these animals flooding our border and politics... Going soft on crime is a joke, blast em away...

多亏了这些动物涌入我们的边境和政治,我正在行使我的权利,用满腔的热情保卫我的城堡……对犯罪手软就是个笑话,把他们炸飞…

SayWhat IThink
@ValorZ ok tough guy

@ValorZ好吧,硬汉

Keke
Sounds like America ?

听起来像美国?

sk1tzo
Sounds like Sweden.

听起来像瑞典。

thefrankiepalmeri
Just curious, if you don't mind answering, what is the likelihood of a civilian being in the cross hairs of this kind of violence?

只是出于好奇问问,如果你不介意回答的话,平民成为这种暴力袭击目标的可能性有多大?

Michael Mccarthy
Uncontrollable corruption

无法控制的腐败

porque brasil mas desarrollado que mexico 9 videos
@K M brazil is majority european but usa beats brazil because its more populated but usa has more african americans than brazil 7 percent of the population of brazil is only afro descent in usa its 15 percent like it says in wikipiedia if you look up african americans

@K M巴西大部分是欧洲裔,但美国打败了巴西,因为它人口更多,但美国的非裔美国人比巴西多。巴西7%的人口是非洲裔后裔,根据维基百科上说的,如果你查看非裔美国人的比例的话,在美国这个数字是15%

Thiago Julio
@thefrankiepalmeri
Firstly, sorry for some mistakes, my english is not very good. Second, I'm not a resident of Rio de Janeiro, but I'm Brazilian and I study a little on the subject. I will try to explain what I know as obxtively as possible. Rio is dominated by 3 factions, this would be equivalent to the Mexican cartels and we also have militias, which are nothing more than security agents who use coercion and blackmail to extort and dominate communities. The 3 factions and the militia live in constant conflict for territories , it can be during the day or night and usually in these conflicts there are many civilian casualties. Rio's police have a strong tendency towards corruption, often collaborating with factions or allying with militias. Not long ago, in an operation in a community (favela), there was a big confrontation with about 28 dead. Another very common thing is that drug dealers pay battalions to suffocate drug trafficking in rivals' area, they pay what we call (arrego), name for bribes. In a very rough summary, this is what happens in this city, it is a very complex and highly profitable system for many high-ranking people and it is obviously not interesting that it ends. Meanwhile, the population ends up suffering. Look for the Factual RJ channel here on YouTube, there you will see some police operations in Rio.
@thefrankiepalmeri

首先,很抱歉有一些错误,我的英语不是很好。其次,我不是里约热内卢的居民,但我是巴西人,我对这个问题做过一些研究。我会尽量客观地解释我所知道的。里约热内卢由3个派系控制,相当于墨西哥的贩毒集团,我们还有民兵,他们不过是安全特工,使用胁迫和勒索来敲诈和控制社区。这三个派系和民兵为争夺领土不断发生冲突,可能在白天或晚上,通常在这些冲突中会有许多平民伤亡。里约热内卢的警察有强烈的腐败倾向,经常与派系合作或与民兵结盟。不久前,在一个社区(贫民窟)的一次行动中,发生了一场大规模的对抗,造成约28人死亡。另一件非常常见的事情是,毒贩付钱给军队,在竞争对手的地区遏制毒品交易,他们支付我们称为arrego的贿赂。简单总结一下,这就是这座城市的现状,这是一个非常复杂的、对许多高层人士来说利润很高的系统,它的结束显然是不有趣的。与此同时,民众最终遭受了痛苦。在YouTube上搜索fact RJ频道,你会在那里看到里约热内卢的一些警察的行动。
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Tiny Cheese
The government is failing to create jobs for people to support their families and it is a problem, we are tired of the government

政府无法为人们创造就业机会来养家糊口,这是一个问题,我们厌倦了政府

Mr D
Since you seem to be brasil can you speak on how the different factions are organised?
I tried to find out how BOPE is organised but it`s hard to find informations and it seems to be different from NATO.
I also wonder how much time for the different things in their training course is allocated and how often do they really need the parachuting and diving training on operations.
Thank you for your time.

既然你看起来似乎是巴西人,你能谈谈不同派别是如何组织起来的吗?
我试图弄清楚巴西BOPE特种警察行动部队是如何组织的,但很难找到信息,而且它似乎与北约不同。
我也想知道他们的培训课程中不同的事项各分配了多少时间,他们在作战中真正需要的跳伞和潜水训练是多久进行一次?
谢谢你的宝贵时间。

AK cristo
@Mr D BOPE is the special police "Swat team" to carry out operations in the slum areas aka "favelas". They are a military police, very organized and armed to the teeth. because of the type of terrain in the favelas, giant one many time they have 2 3 4 favelas so close that they become 1 big one, those they call "complexo" in very small and narrow streets with house on top of each other mainly on hills, so the swat team "BOPE" have to launch operations starting below, so they
trained hand-to-hand combat and tactical operations with the Israeli police. There was a very famous Brazilian movie "Tropa de Elite, in the USA is "Elite Squad" ( 2007) its a very good one and tell the BOPE's History and the movie is about an true event that was when the Pope visited Rio de Janeiro and the Pope wanted to Go to those poor areas, which are a logistic nightmare but BOPE's Teams have to make it happen.. so if you want to have some knowledge about BOPE watch this movie bcoz that part is very accurate.

@ D BOPE是在贫民窟(又名“favelas”)执行行动的特别警察“特殊武器与战术部队”小组。他们是宪兵,组织严密,全副武装。由于贫民窟的地形类型,很多时候2、3、4个贫民窟,距离非常近,然后它们变成了一个大的贫民窟,他们称之为“complexo”,在非常狭窄的街道上,房子错落分布在彼此的顶上,主要是在山上,所以特警队“BOPE”必须从下面开始行动,所以他们与以色列警察一起训练白刃战和战术行动。有一部非常著名的巴西电影“Tropa de Elite”,在美国的名字是“Elite Squad”(2007),这是一部非常好的电影,讲述了一段教皇的历史,电影是关于一个真实的事件,当教皇访问里约热内卢,教皇想去那些贫困地区,这是一个后勤噩梦,但教皇的团队必须实现它。所以如果你想对BOPE有一些了解,可以看这部电影,因为那部分拍得非常准确。

Rick Apocalypse
I'm from Rio and everything he said is true. I remember one day in 2008 when the governor launched a massive operation for the police to retake all of the favelas in the city from the gangs. I didn't go to school that day and my mother didn't go to work because the city was basically at war. We stayed home watching the operation on TV.

我是里约热内卢的,他说的都是真的。我记得在2008年的一天,州长发动了一场大规模的行动,让警察从帮派手中夺回城市中所有的贫民窟。那天我没去上学,我妈妈也没去上班,因为整个城市基本上都在打仗。我们呆在家里在电视上看这次行动。

Jotaro
How is life in fa

费瓦拉的生活怎么样

Lucas Skovgaard
My dad is from Brasil and grew up in the favelas of S?o Paulo, and used to sell drugs like weed, shrooms and coke back in the 70-80s. He has lots of great stories, but has since put this lifestyle behind him.
He since met my Danish mother and moved here to Denmark/Dinamarca to raise me, which I respect him for, but I wish I was more in touch with my Brazilian family.

我父亲来自巴西,在圣保罗的贫民窟长大。在70-80年代,他曾贩卖大麻、酶斯卡灵和可卡因等毒品。他有很多精彩的故事,但他已经把这种生活方式抛在了身后。
后来他遇到了我的丹麦母亲,并搬到丹麦/迪纳马卡来抚养我,这一点我很尊重他,但我希望我能更多地接触我在巴西的家人。

Zayri Lookman
How come you gotta danish last name instead of your father's?

你怎么会有丹麦姓氏而不是你父亲的姓氏?

henry borja
Yeah why do you have a Danish last name, wierdo

是啊,你为什么有丹麦姓,wierdo
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Steve Robertson
There's a story and a couple ya never see. I mean, when is media gonna finally depict a brown guy with a white woman?! Come on, folks! Your parents were pioneers and must feel proud when they watch current Western Media. The world has learned! All white women, get after that brown guy. Right? Better world now and in the future.

一段从未见听过的故事和一对从未见过情侣。我是说,媒体什么时候才会报道一个棕色人种和一个白人女人在一起!加油,伙计!你的父母是先驱者,当他们看到现在的西方媒体时一定会感到骄傲。世界已经学会了!所有白人女人,去追求那个棕色人种。对吧?更好的世界的现在和未来。

Lucas Skovgaard
@Zayri Lookman I have a Brazilian/Italian middle name

@Zayri Lookman我有一个巴西/意大利的中间名

Javed Barakat
I had a Brazilian neighbor.
Guy told me he got away from the military after his first assignment.
I was baffled and asked "why?"
Then he explained...
First assignment as a rookie was to enter a prison after B.O.P.E, the rookies were placed in teams and were given a body part to pick up.
So team 1 would be picking up Arms
Team 2 would be picking up Legs
Team 3 would be picking up Heads
Team 4 would be picking up Torsos
He gave some grimy visualization of what happens in Brazil its crazy.

我有一个巴西邻居。
那家伙告诉我他第一次执行任务后就离开了军队。
我很困惑,问:“为什么?”
然后他解释说……
新手的第一个任务是在B.O.P.E特警队之后进入监狱,新手被分成一个个小组,并被分配捡拾一个人的身体的各个部位。
所以第一队会去捡武器
第二队去捡腿
第三组去捡头
第四队去捡躯干
他对巴西发生的事情进行了一些肮脏的可视化描述,非常疯狂。

Rick Apocalypse
Reminds me of the film Elite Squad when the captain from BOPE tells the rookies "Today you are gonna learn how to pick up bodies. C'mon, what are you waiting for?"

这让我想起了电影《精英小队》中,BOPE的队长对新手们说:“今天你们要学习如何捡尸体。来吧,你还在等什么?”

Lu Geiger
I think your brazilian neighbor was either telling you a lie or he worked on the Carandiru massacre, in that case it wasn`t the BOPE. In any case this scenery seems very improbable cause we would`ve heard of something this absurd. And also, the army and the police (which the BOPE is a part of) rarely work together.

我觉得你的巴西邻居不是在骗你就是他参与了卡兰迪鲁大屠杀,那样的话就不是BOPE部队了。在任何情况下,这种场景似乎都是不可能的,因为不然的话我们应该听说过这样荒谬的事情。而且,军队和警察(BOPE是其中的一部分)很少合作。

Javed Barakat
@Lu Geiger just look at the above comment. It's even played out in movies because that's what happens!
BOPE and army don't work together ?
Darling it seems you know very little about how the military works. All those guys work together, each have different roles. BOPE goes in to calm the unrest by any means necessary and the army recruits pick up bodies and body parts.
& Brazl is very huge, chances are you don't hear about every operation.

@Lu Geiger看看上面的评论。它甚至在电影中出现过,因为这就是发生过的事情!
BOPE不和军队合作?
亲爱的看来你对军队的运作知之甚少。所有这些人都在一起工作,每个人都有不同的角色。BOPE会采取任何必要的手段来平息骚乱,新兵则会捡拾尸体和尸体的身体零件。
巴西非常大,你可能不知道每一次行动。

ガンギマリSheep
@Lu Geiger It’s definitely not absurd, Central and South American gang is extremely brutal where beheading and dismemberment is very common.

@Lu Geiger这绝对不荒谬,中美洲和南美洲的帮派非常残忍,在那里斩首和肢解是很常见的。

Dizzy Makavelli
@Javed Barakat Body parts?
What you're talking about?
He said the true, the army only enter when things gets ugly the elite squad is part of the police, they enter the slums.
Nobody enter to pick body parts...

@Javed Barakat身体部位?
你在说什么?
他说的是事实,军队只在事态恶化时才进入,精英小队是警察的一部分,他们进入贫民窟。
没人进去捡拾尸体部位…

D G
I am brazilian and I've been living in the metropolitan area of Rio for more than 20 years. In my opinion this interview was very accurate in many subjects, despite I disagree at some points. I met at least more than 10 people who were murdered, including a teenager girl, a person related to my family, my brother's best friend (they were classmates and friends since their childhood), the son (together with his friend and in front of his own house) of a wonderfull evangelical woman who helped my family a lot in the past (may she rest in peace) and even two neighbors who were killed around 2:30am inside their home, and we all woke up with the shots - many, many shots. A few days ago, an ex neighbor who I knew relatively well was also murdered. And I still remember a few others.

我是巴西人,我已经在里约热内卢的大都市地区生活了20多年。在我看来,这次采访在很多方面是非常准确的,尽管我在某些方面不同意。我遇到了至少超过10人被杀害,其中包括一个十几岁的女孩,一个与我的家人有关系的人,我哥哥最好的朋友(从小他们就是同学和朋友),一位在过去帮助了我的家人很多忙的很棒的福音派女性(愿她安享晚年)的儿子(和他的朋友一起,在他自己的房子前面),甚至两个邻居丧生在大概凌晨2:30在自己的家里,听到枪声我们都醒了过来——很多很多次枪声。几天前,一个我比较熟悉的前邻居也被谋杀了。我还记得一些其他的案例。
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Ok, the point is: none of them was rich, but most of them were not needy in terms of money - as an example, an ex classmate of mine, from a private school and in better situation than me, was arrested years ago for drug trafficking, and the newspapper even mentioned that he was a middle class guy. Back to the subject... most of them were mestizos like me (but darker), and a few others were either black or white. And most of them had also some things in common: they were on drugs, flirting with 'thug's lifestyle', attending to funk parties in the favelas and living completely imersed in guetto's culture. And you know what? This crap cultural environment is very present among teenagers, at least in this part of Rio de Janeiro state. Teenager boys and young men acting like thugs (clothes, language, manneirisms and so on) is something you can see often here. They are part of a cultural subversion process which tends to idolize crime, drugs, free sex and money. And yes, mainstream media has been feeding this process too, and as soon as you open your mouth to point it out, some people will say "you're racist and prejudicial against this artist/song/culture because he/she/it comes from the favelas".

好吧,关键是:他们都不富有,但他们大多数都不缺钱——举个例子,我以前的一个同学,从私立学校毕业,情况比我好,几年前因为贩毒被捕,报纸甚至提到他是中产阶级。言归正传……他们大多数是和我一样的混血儿(但肤色更黑),还有一些不是黑人就是白人。他们中的大多数人也有一些共同点:他们吸毒,追求“暴徒的生活方式”,参加贫民窟的放克派对,完全沉浸在贫民窟的文化中。你知道吗?这种垃圾文化环境在青少年中非常普遍,至少在里约热内卢州的这个地区是这样。十几岁的男孩和年轻男子表现得像暴徒(衣服、语言、举止等等)是你经常能在这里看到的。他们是文化颠覆过程的一部分,这一过程倾向于将犯罪、毒品、免费的性和金钱偶像化。是的,主流媒体也在助长这一过程,一旦你开口指出这一点,一些人会说“你是种族主义者,对这个艺术家/歌曲/文化有偏见,因为他/她/它来自贫民窟”。

Obviously, poverty takes a role in crime and violence, but, in my opinion, cultural environment, at least in the context of the crime in Rio de Janeiro, plays the main role.

很明显,贫穷在犯罪和暴力中扮演了一些角色,但是,在我看来,文化环境,至少在里约热内卢犯罪的背景下,扮演了主要的角色。

CatchBooker72 !
The cultural environment/social structure plays a part in it everywhere. Rough neighbourhoods in California, projects in New York/Chicago, council houses in Manchester, UK. Individuals from teenage “gangs” in London are stabbing each other to death in London every other day over “street cred”. But it happens in areas that are deprived and underfunded and no “civilised” people live there, so who gives a f**k? As long as it’s not happening where “I” live, no one cares. And you will never eradicate poverty so this cycle will just keeping spinning round and round forever.

文化环境/社会结构在任何地方都起着作用。加利福尼亚的暴力社区,纽约/芝加哥的项目,英国曼彻斯特的廉租房。在伦敦,每隔一天,都有来自青少年“帮派”的成员为了“街头信誉”而互相捅死。但它发生在贫困、资金不足、没有“文明人”居住的地区,所以谁在乎呢?只要不是发生在"我"住的地方,就没人在乎。你永远无法根除贫困,所以这个循环将会一直循环下去。

Abulebube123
@Mr D About how BOPE is organized. There’s basically 0 open sources on them because they are very heavily discouraged from talking about it, however, as I understand they very heavily use 4 man fireteams in a series of combinations. The only major organization that I know is that there’s some clear subdivisions, how those are structured I don’t know, but here it goes. There’s the Tactical Intervention Unit, which is divided in a sniper unit, a intervention unit and a hostage negotiator unit. The other major sub unit is the Demolition, Engineering and Transport Unit which is reponsible for clearing obstacles into the favelas, that’s about all I know. About the drug cartels, the organization isn’t really different from the average Mexican cartel.That’s about it really.

@Mr D关于BOPE是如何组织的。他们基本上没有开放的信息,因为他们非常不鼓励谈论它,然而,据我所知,他们在一系列的组合中非常频繁地使用4人团队。我所知道的唯一一个主要组织架构是有一些明确的细分部门,我不知道它们是如何结构的,但它是这样工作的。这是战术干预小组,分为狙击小组,干预小组和人质谈判小组。另一个主要的下属单位是拆迁、工程和运输单位,负责清除进入贫民窟的障碍,我只知道这么多。关于贩毒集团,这个组织和普通的墨西哥贩毒集团并没有什么不同。差不多就是这样了。

Mr D
@Abulebube123
Thank you for the answer.
Interestingly i found a few documents on the training of bope and similar units and autotranslate helped greatly.
By now i learned that in 2015 or so they doubled from 400 so they are probbly about 800 people strong by now (for the football worldcup and the olympic games).
I have also learned that they have 4 "combat companies" that are primarly used as QRF & to attack the Favelas.
To my understanding they work 24 hour shifts and then have 72 hours off.
@Abulebube123

谢谢你的回答。
有趣的是,我发现了一些关于bope和类似单位的培训文件,自动翻译帮了大忙。
到目前为止,我了解到在2015年左右,他们的人数从400人翻了一番,所以他们现在可能有800人(为了应对足球世界杯和奥运会)。
我还了解到他们有4个“战斗连”,主要用作快速反应部队和攻击贫民窟。
据我所知,他们24小时轮班,72小时休息。

I still try to find out how this companies and platoons are organised and work since, from what i get from videos their medics,who probably have their own vehicles seem not to move with the platoons.
Command & control is also a thing.
I also wonder where they put their vehicles when they go into a favela. Not to forget that unarmored vehicles are stupidy easy to attack.

我仍然试图找出这些连和排是如何组织和工作的,因为从我从视频中获得的信息来看,他们的医护人员可能有自己的车辆,似乎不随排移动。
命令与控制也是一个问题。
我还想知道当他们进入贫民窟时,他们把车放在哪里。别忘了,没有装甲的车辆很容易被攻击。

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