消息人士表示，五角大楼即将正式批准美国空军的下一代战斗机合同
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A U.S. Pacific Air Force F-22 Raptor performs an aerial display during a media preview of the Singapore Airshow in Singapore
一架美国太平洋空军的F-22猛禽在新加坡航展的传媒预演中进行空中表演
Pentagon set to award US Air Force's next-generation fighter jet contract, sources say
消息人士表示，五角大楼即将正式批准美国空军的下一代战斗机合同
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消息人士表示，五角大楼即将正式批准美国空军的下一代战斗机合同
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Boeing and Lockheed are competing for the contract worth more than $20 billion
波音公司和洛克希德·马丁公司正在竞争这份价值超过200亿美元的合同
波音公司和洛克希德·马丁公司正在竞争这份价值超过200亿美元的合同
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Published March 20, 2025 9:31pm EDT
The Pentagon is set to announce its decision on a next-generation fighter jet contract initially worth more than $20 billion as soon as Friday, despite earlier concerns about budget constraints and shifting priorities, sources briefed on the plan said.
了解该计划的消息人士表示，最快周五，五角大楼将宣布其关于下一代战斗机合同的决定，合同初始价值超过 200 亿美元，尽管之前担忧其预算限制和优先事项调整。
Published March 20, 2025 9:31pm EDT
The Pentagon is set to announce its decision on a next-generation fighter jet contract initially worth more than $20 billion as soon as Friday, despite earlier concerns about budget constraints and shifting priorities, sources briefed on the plan said.
了解该计划的消息人士表示，最快周五，五角大楼将宣布其关于下一代战斗机合同的决定，合同初始价值超过 200 亿美元，尽管之前担忧其预算限制和优先事项调整。
The Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) program will replace Lockheed Martin's F-22 Raptor with a fighter built to battle alongside drones.
下一代空中优势（NGAD）计划将用一款协同无人机的战斗机来取代洛克希德·马丁公司的F-22猛禽。
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下一代空中优势（NGAD）计划将用一款协同无人机的战斗机来取代洛克希德·马丁公司的F-22猛禽。
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Lockheed and Boeing are competing head-to-head for the winner-take-all engineering and manufacturing development phase contract worth more than $20 billion.
洛克希德和波音正在为价值200多亿美元的赢者通吃的工程和制造开发阶段合同展开正面竞争
洛克希德和波音正在为价值200多亿美元的赢者通吃的工程和制造开发阶段合同展开正面竞争
An Air Force spokesperson and Boeing and Lockheed representatives did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
空军发言人以及波音和洛克希德的代表未立即回应置评请求
空军发言人以及波音和洛克希德的代表未立即回应置评请求
The winner of the high-stakes contest will receive hundreds of billions of dollars in orders over the contract's lifetime, underpinning their businesses for decades.
这场高风险竞赛的胜者将在合同的整个履行周期内获得价值数百亿美元的订单，为他们的业务获得数十年的支持。
这场高风险竞赛的胜者将在合同的整个履行周期内获得价值数百亿美元的订单，为他们的业务获得数十年的支持。
A U.S. Pacific Air Force F-22 Raptor performs an aerial display during a media preview of the Singapore Airshow in Singapore一架美国太平洋空军的F-22猛禽在新加坡航展的传媒预演中进行空中表演
NGAD was conceived as a "family of systems" centered around a sixth-generation fighter jet that aims to provide the United States with advanced air dominance capabilities to counter near-peer adversaries like China and Russia.
NGAD被设想为一个以第六代战斗机为中心的“系统家族”，旨在为美国提供先进的空中优势能力，以对抗中国和俄罗斯等准对等竞争者对手。
NGAD被设想为一个以第六代战斗机为中心的“系统家族”，旨在为美国提供先进的空中优势能力，以对抗中国和俄罗斯等准对等竞争者对手。
Under President Donald Trump's administration, which took office in January, the program has moved forward after a period of uncertainty that cast doubt on the future of the next-generation fighter jet.
在一月份上任的唐纳德·特朗普总统的领导下，在经历了一段对未来新一代战斗机前景产生怀疑的不确定期后，该计划继续推进。
在一月份上任的唐纳德·特朗普总统的领导下，在经历了一段对未来新一代战斗机前景产生怀疑的不确定期后，该计划继续推进。
Last year, the program faced potential delays or scaling back due to budget pressures and cost overruns in other Air Force programs. There were also discussions about reconsidering fundamental design elements or shifting resources to unmanned drone programs.
去年，该计划因预算压力和其他的空军计划成本超支而面临延误或规模缩减的可能。还讨论了重新考虑基本设计或将资源转移到无人机计划。
去年，该计划因预算压力和其他的空军计划成本超支而面临延误或规模缩减的可能。还讨论了重新考虑基本设计或将资源转移到无人机计划。
The anticipated announcement signals designs that were finalized last year will be chosen for NGAD.
这个备受期待的公告，标志着这个去年敲定的设计被选作NGAD。
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这个备受期待的公告，标志着这个去年敲定的设计被选作NGAD。
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Boeing has suffered headwinds for both its commercial and defense businesses. A win would be a shot in the arm for its St. Louis, Missouri, fighter jet production businesses, while a loss would add to Boeing's woes.
波音公司的商用和国防业务都遇到了困难。一场胜利将给其在密苏里州圣路易斯的战斗机生产业务带来一剂强心针，而失败将会加剧波音的困境。
波音公司的商用和国防业务都遇到了困难。一场胜利将给其在密苏里州圣路易斯的战斗机生产业务带来一剂强心针，而失败将会加剧波音的困境。
Lockheed was recently eliminated from the competition to build the Navy's next-generation carrier-based stealth fighter. If it loses the NGAD contract, it will likely double down on its F-35 fighter jet program and international sales of its F-16 jets.
洛克希德·马丁公司最近在海军的下一代舰载隐形战斗机的竞标被淘汰。如果其失去了NGAD的合同，可能会加注其F-35战斗机项目和在国际上的F-16战斗机销售。
洛克希德·马丁公司最近在海军的下一代舰载隐形战斗机的竞标被淘汰。如果其失去了NGAD的合同，可能会加注其F-35战斗机项目和在国际上的F-16战斗机销售。
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spazoid
Just check Paul Pelosi's stock trades. That will tell you who's getting the contract.
只要查查保罗·佩洛西的股票交易，就能知道谁获得了合同。
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Just check Paul Pelosi's stock trades. That will tell you who's getting the contract.
只要查查保罗·佩洛西的股票交易，就能知道谁获得了合同。
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DJRoukan33
Elon would have them built on time and under budget.
埃隆会按时按预算完成它们的建设。
Elon would have them built on time and under budget.
埃隆会按时按预算完成它们的建设。
And if he was involved in the design, they could down an enemy aircraft just by looking at them.
而且如果埃隆参与了设计，他们只需看一眼就能击落敌机。
而且如果埃隆参与了设计，他们只需看一眼就能击落敌机。
jayvee859
Derangement syndrome has no political boundaries
精神错乱综合征没有政治界限
Derangement syndrome has no political boundaries
精神错乱综合征没有政治界限
brandonconner
should check the GOP while your at it
应该顺便查一下共和党
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should check the GOP while your at it
应该顺便查一下共和党
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HT78
Great. A new fighter for Israel that isn't used to defend Americans.
太好了。一款给以色列的新战机，而不是保卫美国人。
Great. A new fighter for Israel that isn't used to defend Americans.
太好了。一款给以色列的新战机，而不是保卫美国人。
dvalleyjim
People like you would want to give them to HAMAS and the Houthis.
像你们这样的人会想把它们交给哈马斯和胡塞武装的。
People like you would want to give them to HAMAS and the Houthis.
像你们这样的人会想把它们交给哈马斯和胡塞武装的。
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People like me want to use our military to protect Americans including on our border and throwing out the illegals that are here. People like me want to get out of the Middle East mess and let the people there fight it out themselves. Let Israel figure out a way to survive without America.
像我这样的人想用我们的军队来保护美国人，包括我们的边境和驱逐那些非法入境的人。像我这样的人想摆脱中东乱局，让那里的人自己解决问题。让以色列自己找出在没有美国的情况下生存的方法吧。
像我这样的人想用我们的军队来保护美国人，包括我们的边境和驱逐那些非法入境的人。像我这样的人想摆脱中东乱局，让那里的人自己解决问题。让以色列自己找出在没有美国的情况下生存的方法吧。
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Yessss, your right. I support Israel's right to exist! Why, because it's lawful. Remember Nazi Germany? Remember when the U.N. gave Israel a homeland? Remember when the Arabs tried to push Israel into the sea but got humiliated in 6 days? and after that they took GAZA to gain more defensible land to protect from the Arabs that wanted to Hilter them? And this will be a total stretch for you but remember Israel in the Christian bible?
是的，你说得对。我支持以色列存在的权利！为什么？因为它合法。还记得纳粹德国吗？还记得联合国给以色列一个家园的时候吗？还记得阿拉伯人试图把以色列推入大海，却在六天内被羞辱了吗？在那之后他们占领加沙以获得更多防御土地，来保护自己免受那些想要希特勒他们的阿拉伯人的威胁吗？而且这对你来说可能有些超出理解范围，但还记得《圣经》中的以色列吗？
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是的，你说得对。我支持以色列存在的权利！为什么？因为它合法。还记得纳粹德国吗？还记得联合国给以色列一个家园的时候吗？还记得阿拉伯人试图把以色列推入大海，却在六天内被羞辱了吗？在那之后他们占领加沙以获得更多防御土地，来保护自己免受那些想要希特勒他们的阿拉伯人的威胁吗？而且这对你来说可能有些超出理解范围，但还记得《圣经》中的以色列吗？
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Israel has no right to exist and if they do, then let them exist without our money and lives. I remember when Euro jews invaded British Palestine and drove millions of people out of their homes. I remember Israel bombed the USS Liberty killing 50 US sailors trying to draw us into a war with Egypt. I remember when they bombed the King David Hotel and hanged British soldiers. Most Americans don't remember those things because they were intentionally not taught about them.
以色列没有存在的权利，如果他们想，那就让他们在没有我们的金钱和付出的情况下存在吧。我记得当时欧洲的犹太人入侵了英国的巴勒斯坦，把数百万当地人赶出了家园。我记得以色列轰炸了美国军舰“自由号”，造成50名美国水手丧生，以试图让我们卷入与埃及的战争。我记得他们轰炸了大卫王酒店并绞死了英国士兵。大多数美国人不记得这些事情，因为他们被故意的不被教导（这些事）。
以色列没有存在的权利，如果他们想，那就让他们在没有我们的金钱和付出的情况下存在吧。我记得当时欧洲的犹太人入侵了英国的巴勒斯坦，把数百万当地人赶出了家园。我记得以色列轰炸了美国军舰“自由号”，造成50名美国水手丧生，以试图让我们卷入与埃及的战争。我记得他们轰炸了大卫王酒店并绞死了英国士兵。大多数美国人不记得这些事情，因为他们被故意的不被教导（这些事）。
dvalleyjim
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Nice!
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tiredofallthenonsense
Boeing. Good gravy, who let them in the room? Forget the fact they are horribly run and have nothing but problems with everything they touch since before the merger with McDonnell Douglass, they have never built a ground-up fighter, in fact, the only ones they have built are only because they bought out MD and its line of fighters. If left unto itself, the fighter would look an awful lot like their 7xx series of planes.
波音公司。天哪，是谁让他们参与进来的？忘了吗？他们的糟糕管理，自从与麦克唐纳·道格拉斯公司合并以来，他们接触的每一件事都只有问题，他们从未从零开始建造过战斗机，实际上，他们建造战斗机只是因为他们收购了麦道及其战斗机生产线。如果任其发展，战斗机将非常类似于他们的7xx系列飞机。
Boeing. Good gravy, who let them in the room? Forget the fact they are horribly run and have nothing but problems with everything they touch since before the merger with McDonnell Douglass, they have never built a ground-up fighter, in fact, the only ones they have built are only because they bought out MD and its line of fighters. If left unto itself, the fighter would look an awful lot like their 7xx series of planes.
波音公司。天哪，是谁让他们参与进来的？忘了吗？他们的糟糕管理，自从与麦克唐纳·道格拉斯公司合并以来，他们接触的每一件事都只有问题，他们从未从零开始建造过战斗机，实际上，他们建造战斗机只是因为他们收购了麦道及其战斗机生产线。如果任其发展，战斗机将非常类似于他们的7xx系列飞机。
Sonder
As long as they remember to attach the bolts on the door, everything should be fine.
只要他们记得把门上的螺栓固定好，一切应该会好起来的。
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As long as they remember to attach the bolts on the door, everything should be fine.
只要他们记得把门上的螺栓固定好，一切应该会好起来的。
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Luckyman778
Geez if Boeing gets the contract expect unbelievable cost over runs, dead test pilots, and a weapon that can’t take punishment, maintenance heavy and more likely to kill friendlies!! Boeing is better suited to get with Disney to ruin the imagination of children!!!
天啊，如果波音得到合同，可以预计难以置信的成本超支、害死测试飞行员、而且是一种无法承受摧残、需要大量维护、并且更可能杀死友军的武器！！波音更适合与迪士尼合作，以毁掉孩子们的想象力！！！
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Geez if Boeing gets the contract expect unbelievable cost over runs, dead test pilots, and a weapon that can’t take punishment, maintenance heavy and more likely to kill friendlies!! Boeing is better suited to get with Disney to ruin the imagination of children!!!
天啊，如果波音得到合同，可以预计难以置信的成本超支、害死测试飞行员、而且是一种无法承受摧残、需要大量维护、并且更可能杀死友军的武器！！波音更适合与迪士尼合作，以毁掉孩子们的想象力！！！
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gremlis
Most of Boeings problems stemmed from them purchasing titanium from Turkey, who purchased it from China who fudged the numbers and Boeing didn't check to see if they were accurate.
波音的大部分问题都源于他们从土耳其购买的钛金属，而土耳其是从中国购买的，中国篡改了数据，波音也没有检查这些数据的准确性。
Most of Boeings problems stemmed from them purchasing titanium from Turkey, who purchased it from China who fudged the numbers and Boeing didn't check to see if they were accurate.
波音的大部分问题都源于他们从土耳其购买的钛金属，而土耳其是从中国购买的，中国篡改了数据，波音也没有检查这些数据的准确性。
tiredofallthenonsense
No, Boeing's problems are its management since the McDonnell Douglas merger.
不，波音的问题是其管理层，自从与麦道并购以来。
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No, Boeing's problems are its management since the McDonnell Douglas merger.
不，波音的问题是其管理层，自从与麦道并购以来。
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You all are talking about the civilian side of Boeing not the government side top secret dept you don’t know about those guys
你们都在谈论波音的民用方面，而不是政府方面的绝密部门，你们不了解那些人
你们都在谈论波音的民用方面，而不是政府方面的绝密部门，你们不了解那些人
blackhawkranger
Good gravy? What are you 87?
天啊？你87岁了？
Good gravy? What are you 87?
天啊？你87岁了？
food4thought554
Hopefully Boeing will now stop complaining about the bad deal they made with building the new Air Force One. Take this as their reward.
希望波音现在能停止抱怨他们建造新空军一号是不划算的交易。把这当作他们的回报吧。
Hopefully Boeing will now stop complaining about the bad deal they made with building the new Air Force One. Take this as their reward.
希望波音现在能停止抱怨他们建造新空军一号是不划算的交易。把这当作他们的回报吧。
RagingLibertarian
Nonsense. People read way to much fake news and believe it.
胡说。人们看了过多的假新闻，还信以为真。
Nonsense. People read way to much fake news and believe it.
胡说。人们看了过多的假新闻，还信以为真。
tiredofallthenonsense
What is nonsense? The fact that Boeing's only fighters are one that was designed and built in 1995 and was part of their takeover of MD...in 1997, or the other one that is simply modifications of a 50-year old base platform?
什么是胡说？波音唯一的战斗机是麦道1995年设计和建造的，是在1997年波音收购麦道后成为他们的一部分...，还是指另一个有50年历史的基础平台的修改版？
What is nonsense? The fact that Boeing's only fighters are one that was designed and built in 1995 and was part of their takeover of MD...in 1997, or the other one that is simply modifications of a 50-year old base platform?
什么是胡说？波音唯一的战斗机是麦道1995年设计和建造的，是在1997年波音收购麦道后成为他们的一部分...，还是指另一个有50年历史的基础平台的修改版？
The fact every military award they get, the solution is built off of an existing 7xx platform?
他们获得的每一个军事奖项，解决方案都是基于现有的7xx平台的吗？
他们获得的每一个军事奖项，解决方案都是基于现有的7xx平台的吗？
The fact their space program is a shambles that caused two astronauts to stay in space longer than their scheduled week while the vehicle was sent back empty, or that they failed their first attempt to even put the rocket into orbit?
他们的太空计划一团混乱，导致两名宇航员滞留在太空中，远超预定的一周时间，而飞船却空手而归，还是说他们连第一次尝试都失败了的火箭入轨？
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他们的太空计划一团混乱，导致两名宇航员滞留在太空中，远超预定的一周时间，而飞船却空手而归，还是说他们连第一次尝试都失败了的火箭入轨？
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Or how about the replacement Air Force One aircraft that has tripled in price and is years behind schedule with no firm delivery date anymore?
又或者是那架价格翻倍、延期多年且再也没有确切交付日期的空军一号接替者？
又或者是那架价格翻倍、延期多年且再也没有确切交付日期的空军一号接替者？
Oh please enlighten us on what is fake.
哦，请“教导”我们什么是假的吧。
哦，请“教导”我们什么是假的吧。
RagingLibertarian
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You just proved my point. You just barfed up a bunch of fake news.
你刚刚证明了我的观点。你刚刚吐出了一堆的假新闻。
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你刚刚证明了我的观点。你刚刚吐出了一堆的假新闻。
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So Starliner stranding astronauts and being years behind schedule and billions over budget is fake news?
所以Starliner的滞留宇航员，计划进度拖延多年，超支数十亿美元，是假新闻吗？
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所以Starliner的滞留宇航员，计划进度拖延多年，超支数十亿美元，是假新闻吗？
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The new Air Force One aircraft, currently under development by Boeing, is three years behind the original schedule and over budget by approximately $2.7 billion dollars.
新一代的空军一号飞机，目前由波音公司开发，比原计划晚了三年，超支约27亿美元。
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新一代的空军一号飞机，目前由波音公司开发，比原计划晚了三年，超支约27亿美元。
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You failed to explain what was fake about RagingLibertarian's post.
你未能解释RagingLibertarian的帖子中哪些是假的。
你未能解释RagingLibertarian的帖子中哪些是假的。
RagingLibertarian
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The capsule worked just fine and landed safely.
这个太空舱工作正常，安全着陆。
这个太空舱工作正常，安全着陆。
The government's inability to provide good requirements is hardly an issue with the contractor.
政府无法提供明确的需求，根本不是承包商的问题。
政府无法提供明确的需求，根本不是承包商的问题。
ringoldhillfarm996
Well, the military was shy hundreds of F-22 Raptors due to massive cost overruns and production delays. Unless Musk gets involved, this 6th generation will face the same economic demise.
好吧，由于巨额成本超支和生产延误，军方缺少数百架F-22猛禽战斗机。除非马斯克介入，否则这个第六代战斗机将面临同样的经济问题。
Well, the military was shy hundreds of F-22 Raptors due to massive cost overruns and production delays. Unless Musk gets involved, this 6th generation will face the same economic demise.
好吧，由于巨额成本超支和生产延误，军方缺少数百架F-22猛禽战斗机。除非马斯克介入，否则这个第六代战斗机将面临同样的经济问题。
Kamalafranandollie
They were shy because Congress cut the funding.
他们缺少，是因为国会削减了拨款。
They were shy because Congress cut the funding.
他们缺少，是因为国会削减了拨款。
bdby456
Actually, Obama ordered the cancelation of the remaider of them.
实际上，奥巴马下令取消了剩余的订单。
Actually, Obama ordered the cancelation of the remaider of them.
实际上，奥巴马下令取消了剩余的订单。
USNret1
yep
是的
yep
是的
Kamalafranandollie
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Is your Chief's belly rubbing on your keyboard?
是不是你的猫主子把肚子蹭到键盘上了？
是不是你的猫主子把肚子蹭到键盘上了？
Roaddoc1D
They were cut because of massive cost! for something that has only ever shot down a Chinese balloon!!!! Incredible aircraft!! But what are they used for??? I think were good with the amount we have!
他们被削减是因为巨额成本！某些只能击落中国气球的玩意儿！！！真是不可思议的飞机！！但它们能用来干什么？？？我认为我们拥有的数量已经足够了！
They were cut because of massive cost! for something that has only ever shot down a Chinese balloon!!!! Incredible aircraft!! But what are they used for??? I think were good with the amount we have!
他们被削减是因为巨额成本！某些只能击落中国气球的玩意儿！！！真是不可思议的飞机！！但它们能用来干什么？？？我认为我们拥有的数量已经足够了！
imjustsaying222
It is not about being prepared for current events but about being prepared for possible future events. They want something better.
这不是为当前的事件准备的，而是关于为可能发生的未来事件准备的。他们想要些更好的东西。
It is not about being prepared for current events but about being prepared for possible future events. They want something better.
这不是为当前的事件准备的，而是关于为可能发生的未来事件准备的。他们想要些更好的东西。
JustDone129
Let Elon build them, seems he kind of knows what he’s doing.
让埃隆来造吧，他似乎知道自己在做什么。
Let Elon build them, seems he kind of knows what he’s doing.
让埃隆来造吧，他似乎知道自己在做什么。
Luckyman778
Boy oh boy from what I’ve seen of Musk I’d live to fly what his imagination would bring. My guess unmanned unmatched fighter!!!
从我所了解的马斯克来看，我很想驾驶他想象中的东西。我猜是：无人驾驶的无与伦比的战斗机！！！
Boy oh boy from what I’ve seen of Musk I’d live to fly what his imagination would bring. My guess unmanned unmatched fighter!!!
从我所了解的马斯克来看，我很想驾驶他想象中的东西。我猜是：无人驾驶的无与伦比的战斗机！！！
Lt.Musk
especailly that Teslas are being recalled for falling side panels!
特别是，特斯拉因侧板脱落而被召回！
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especailly that Teslas are being recalled for falling side panels!
特别是，特斯拉因侧板脱落而被召回！
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LOL!
哈哈！
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哈哈！
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Garfield710
cars from every manufacturer have recalls all the time.
各个制造商的汽车一直有被召回。
cars from every manufacturer have recalls all the time.
各个制造商的汽车一直有被召回。
Sullyone
He's a little busy right now.
他现在有点忙。
He's a little busy right now.
他现在有点忙。
BWMcCoy46
African built weapons, sounds like a great idea that has never backfired on anyone ever.
非洲人（马斯克是南非的）制造的武器，听起来像是一个从未对任何人产生不利影响的好主意。
African built weapons, sounds like a great idea that has never backfired on anyone ever.
非洲人（马斯克是南非的）制造的武器，听起来像是一个从未对任何人产生不利影响的好主意。
DJRoukan33
Wise men speak when they have something to say. Fools speak because they have to say something. -Socrates.
智者有话则言，愚者无话找话。 —— 苏格拉底
Wise men speak when they have something to say. Fools speak because they have to say something. -Socrates.
智者有话则言，愚者无话找话。 —— 苏格拉底
RatherBeFlying
Please not Boeing, Please not Boeing... they can't get anything right more.
请别选波音，请别选波音……他们再也做不出任何正确的事了。
Please not Boeing, Please not Boeing... they can't get anything right more.
请别选波音，请别选波音……他们再也做不出任何正确的事了。
****donotreply****
Literally exactly my thought. Didn't congress just have Boeings CEO before them to testify about the Quality Control and safety problems Boeing is having. Sadly the Lockheed Martin F22 and F35 have had their fair share of issues as well. But I think any Jets as advanced as the F22 and F35 will have some problems. They are still superior to anything Russia has or China's flying recycled stealth tin can's.
正如我的想法。国会不是让波音的CEO在他们面前就波音的质量控制和安全问题作证吗？可悲的是，洛克希德·马丁公司的F22和F35也有他们自己的问题。但我认为任何像F22和F35这样先进的喷气式飞机都会有一些问题。但它们仍然优于俄罗斯的任何东西，也优于中国在飞的可回收隐形罐头。
Literally exactly my thought. Didn't congress just have Boeings CEO before them to testify about the Quality Control and safety problems Boeing is having. Sadly the Lockheed Martin F22 and F35 have had their fair share of issues as well. But I think any Jets as advanced as the F22 and F35 will have some problems. They are still superior to anything Russia has or China's flying recycled stealth tin can's.
正如我的想法。国会不是让波音的CEO在他们面前就波音的质量控制和安全问题作证吗？可悲的是，洛克希德·马丁公司的F22和F35也有他们自己的问题。但我认为任何像F22和F35这样先进的喷气式飞机都会有一些问题。但它们仍然优于俄罗斯的任何东西，也优于中国在飞的可回收隐形罐头。
sunnyfun1
NO MORE DEI HIRES BOEING! Ever hear about Quality Control.
波音别再招聘DEI了！听说过质量控制吗？
NO MORE DEI HIRES BOEING! Ever hear about Quality Control.
波音别再招聘DEI了！听说过质量控制吗？
rancidhandsome
Swarm technology is the real advantage. Missile lock, hit the ol' chaff button and drones attack the missile. Turns like a TicTac.
蜂群技术才是真正的优势技术。被导弹锁定，按下干扰箔条按钮，无人机攻击导弹。像跳舞一样转弯。
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Swarm technology is the real advantage. Missile lock, hit the ol' chaff button and drones attack the missile. Turns like a TicTac.
蜂群技术才是真正的优势技术。被导弹锁定，按下干扰箔条按钮，无人机攻击导弹。像跳舞一样转弯。
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bdby456
Just look at the problems with that Artimus? spacecraft and the government wants THEM to build this 6 generation craft from the ground up?
只要看看那个Artimus太空船上的问题，政府还想让他们从零开始建造这个第六代飞机？
Just look at the problems with that Artimus? spacecraft and the government wants THEM to build this 6 generation craft from the ground up?
只要看看那个Artimus太空船上的问题，政府还想让他们从零开始建造这个第六代飞机？
GOOD LUCK to all those future pilots.
祝所有未来的飞行员好运。
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祝所有未来的飞行员好运。
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common_sense117
I don't think there's much risk of it being boeing when lockheed is in the room.
我认为当洛克希德参与的时候，波音不太可能。
I don't think there's much risk of it being boeing when lockheed is in the room.
我认为当洛克希德参与的时候，波音不太可能。
JonathanSTuttle
There should be no surprise when Seattle acts like Seattle.
当西雅图表现得像西雅图时，这不足为奇。
There should be no surprise when Seattle acts like Seattle.
当西雅图表现得像西雅图时，这不足为奇。
riiider
Lockheed built the legendary f-22 Raptor you can't go wrong with Lockheed. Boeing is a disaster theu can't even deliver on your presidential jet let alone produce the next gen fighter.
洛克希德制造了传奇的F-22猛禽，选择洛克希德绝对不会错。波音是个灾难，他们甚至连总统专机都无法交付，更不用说生产下一代战斗机了。
Lockheed built the legendary f-22 Raptor you can't go wrong with Lockheed. Boeing is a disaster theu can't even deliver on your presidential jet let alone produce the next gen fighter.
洛克希德制造了传奇的F-22猛禽，选择洛克希德绝对不会错。波音是个灾难，他们甚至连总统专机都无法交付，更不用说生产下一代战斗机了。
Getsomesense570
They also, in typical LM fashion, low bid the project with a strategy of making money by arguing over THEIR interpretation and meaning of every contract line item to try and make up the difference. In the end, the F-22 cost so much that the USG curtailed the buy from 750 aircraft to 187. Moreover, that program and the F-35 have become the poster children on how NOT to contract for new aircraft. LM needs to be doge’d.
他们也一样，典型的洛克希德风格，以低报价来中标项目，通过争论合同项目的每一条解释和含义来赚钱，来试图弥补差价。最终，F-22 的成本是如此之高，以至于美国政府将购买数量从 750 架削减至 187 架。此外，F-22计划和 F-35 已成为如何不签订新飞机合同的典型反面教材。洛克希德需要被“doge”。
They also, in typical LM fashion, low bid the project with a strategy of making money by arguing over THEIR interpretation and meaning of every contract line item to try and make up the difference. In the end, the F-22 cost so much that the USG curtailed the buy from 750 aircraft to 187. Moreover, that program and the F-35 have become the poster children on how NOT to contract for new aircraft. LM needs to be doge’d.
他们也一样，典型的洛克希德风格，以低报价来中标项目，通过争论合同项目的每一条解释和含义来赚钱，来试图弥补差价。最终，F-22 的成本是如此之高，以至于美国政府将购买数量从 750 架削减至 187 架。此外，F-22计划和 F-35 已成为如何不签订新飞机合同的典型反面教材。洛克希德需要被“doge”。
NoNudet
True, LM does like to bid too low, then amend contracts upward. Blame falls on the US gov't too. Too many acquisition regulations and changes in requirements along the way. Acquisition reform is badly needed.
确实，洛克希德喜欢压低报价，然后向上修改合同。美国政府的责任也不可推卸。太多的购买条例和中途要求的变更。购买程序迫切需要改革。
True, LM does like to bid too low, then amend contracts upward. Blame falls on the US gov't too. Too many acquisition regulations and changes in requirements along the way. Acquisition reform is badly needed.
确实，洛克希德喜欢压低报价，然后向上修改合同。美国政府的责任也不可推卸。太多的购买条例和中途要求的变更。购买程序迫切需要改革。
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what they really do is skim off the top. the government doesn't pay 10k for only a toilet.
他们真正做的是从中赚取差价。政府不会只为了一个厕所就支付 1 万美元。
他们真正做的是从中赚取差价。政府不会只为了一个厕所就支付 1 万美元。
Ernest_T_Bass
Be fair though, there are a LOT of requirements creep from government civic servants on programs so you can't blame it all on LM or the contractor.
公平一点，政府公务员对项目的要求不断增多，所以不能把所有责任都归咎于洛克希德或承包商。
Be fair though, there are a LOT of requirements creep from government civic servants on programs so you can't blame it all on LM or the contractor.
公平一点，政府公务员对项目的要求不断增多，所以不能把所有责任都归咎于洛克希德或承包商。
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Agree - plenty of USG blame as well.
同意 - 美国政府也有不少责任。
同意 - 美国政府也有不少责任。
mz1363
Boeing built several major components of the F-22 Raptor as a subcontractor for Lockheed, not to mention they do the same for Northrop and General Dynamics for various platforms
波音为洛克希德制造了F-22“猛禽”战斗机的一些主要部件，更不用说他们还为诺斯罗普和通用动力的各种平台提供同样的服务。
Boeing built several major components of the F-22 Raptor as a subcontractor for Lockheed, not to mention they do the same for Northrop and General Dynamics for various platforms
波音为洛克希德制造了F-22“猛禽”战斗机的一些主要部件，更不用说他们还为诺斯罗普和通用动力的各种平台提供同样的服务。
martell77
Lockheed also bilked us for over a trillion on the F-35, so yeah, they aint perfect.
洛克希德还在F-35战斗机上骗了我们超过一万亿美元，所以，他们并不完美。
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Lockheed also bilked us for over a trillion on the F-35, so yeah, they aint perfect.
洛克希德还在F-35战斗机上骗了我们超过一万亿美元，所以，他们并不完美。
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