印度人看J15碾压日本F15！吵翻了！
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A 148km radar lock just changed the rules of engagement in the Pacific.
On December 6th, the Miyako Strait became a flashpoint when Chinese J-15 Flying Shark fighters executed a hostile fire control radar lock on Japanese F-15 Eagle interceptors. This wasn't a drill—it was a calculated show of force from the Liaoning aircraft carrier group.
In this video, we analyze the terrifying implications of this encounter. The J-15s locked onto JASDF jets twice: first at a dangerous 52km, and then at a staggering 148km. This confirms a massive leap in China's military technology, proving their ability to target and potentially engage hostile aircraft from well beyond visual range (BVR).
We break down the technical specs of the radar systems involved, the tactical disadvantage this creates for Japan's aging F-15 fleet, and why this China Japan tension is escalating faster than predicted.
Is the JASDF ready for this new level of air combat threat?
一次148公里的雷达锁定，刚刚改变了太平洋地区的交战规则。
12月6日，宫古海峡成为热点——中国“歼-15飞鲨”战斗机对日本航空自卫队的F-15“鹰”式拦截机实施了敌意火控雷达锁定。这并非演习，而是来自“辽宁号”航母战斗群的一次精心策划的武力展示。
在本视频中，我们将分析此次遭遇所引发的可怕后果。歼-15战机两次锁定日本自卫队战机：第一次在危险的52公里距离，第二次则达到了惊人的148公里。这证实了中国军事技术的巨大飞跃，证明其已具备在超视距范围外探测、锁定并可能攻击敌方战机的能力。
我们将深入解析所涉雷达系统的技术参数、日本老旧F-15机队由此陷入的战术劣势，以及为何中日紧张关系正以超出预期的速度升级。
日本航空自卫队是否已准备好应对这一全新层级的空中威胁？
@SlavaRossii-d5w
148km radar lock on a huge non-stealth aircraft like the F-15 is not impressive.
Also an actual missile kill at that range, against a maneuvering fighter aircraft that knows it is being targeted, is not practical / feasible, not with any missile in the world today (not even ones that are "theoretically" rated for 400+ km against non-maneuvering targets).
对一架像F-15这样巨大且毫无隐身能力的飞机实现148公里的雷达锁定，并不令人印象深刻。
而且，在当今世界上，没有任何导弹（哪怕是那些“理论上”宣称射程超过400公里、用于打击非机动目标的导弹）能在这种距离上实际击落一架正在机动、且知道自己已被锁定的战斗机。这在实战中既不现实，也不可行。
@GenghisX999
Of course you do realize this was for demonstration and warning. J15 turned on their targeting radar and got lock before F15 even knew they were there In real war situation, target acquisition would be done be passive radar via AWACS or ship/ground radar ad J15 would have shot missile to designated coordinates. The bogey would then have seconds warning before being hit as 2nd stage hypersonic ignition as it approaches terminal target. This is what Pakistan did to India's Rafale.
你要明白这次演示本就是一种警告。歼-15在F-15甚至还没意识到它们存在时，就已经开启火控雷达并完成锁定。在真实战争中，目标获取会通过预警机或舰船/地面雷达的被动探测完成，歼-15只需向指定坐标发射导弹。目标在被击中前可能只有几秒预警时间——因为导弹在接近末段目标时才会启动第二级高超音速发动机点火。巴基斯坦就是这么干掉印度“阵风”的。
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@GenghisX999 Yes you are correct.
Japanese F-15s are ANCIENT though (not modernized) so of course they can't see Chinese fighters at that range without external data.
但日本的F-15非常老旧（并未现代化升级），所以当然无法在没有外部数据支持的情况下，在那么远的距离发现中国战机。
@planetChina.1
Wow. The sheer confidence you have while talking absolute nonsense should be bottled and sold as a miracle drug.
If delusion had a range, yours would beat every missile ever built.
Let’s decode your “expert analysis,” because clearly you don’t understand it:
“148 km lock on an F-15 is not impressive.”
Right, because in your fantasy world, radars are supposed to struggle to detect a giant flying brick with zero stealth features.
Only you would look at a system doing exactly what it’s designed to do and shout, “Not impressive!”
It’s like watching someone hit a bullseye and yelling, “Meh, too accurate!”
“A missile can’t kill a maneuvering fighter at that range.”
Thank you, Captain Obvious.
Next revelation: the sky is blue?
Engagement ranges shrink in real combat — absolutely everyone already knows that.
You’re repeating textbook basics like you cracked a Pentagon secret file.
Here’s the part your brain refuses to load:
Long-range lock = first detection
First detection = first shot
First shot = you go defensive
And once you’re defensive, your fancy aerobatics turn into “please don’t hit me” maneuvers
That’s literally how BVR dominance works.
But sure, keep pretending you exposed something groundbreaking when all you did was rediscover page one of Missile Combat for Dummies.
Short recap for your attention span:
You didn’t debunk anything.
You didn’t challenge anything.
You just proudly announced you don’t understand radar, missiles, tactics, or basic logic — and somehow thought that was a flex.
Come back when you can tell the difference between physics, propaganda, and whatever it is you’re doing.
哇哦。你一边胡说八道，一边还如此自信满满——这种状态真该装瓶卖出去，当神药！
如果你的妄想也有射程，那它肯定能碾压人类历史上所有导弹。
让我来帮你“解码”一下你的“专家分析”，因为你显然完全不懂：
你说：“148公里锁定F-15并不震惊。”
对啊，在你的幻想世界里，雷达居然应该很难发现一个毫无隐身设计、体型巨大的“飞行砖块”。
只有你才会看着一个系统完美执行它本该做的事，然后大喊：“没意思！”
这就像是有人正中靶心，你却嚷嚷：“切，太准了反而没劲！”
对于你的言论：“导弹不可能在那么远距离击落一架机动中的战斗机。”
谢谢啊，显而易见先生。
下一个惊人发现是不是“天空是蓝色的”？
所有人都知道：实战中交战距离会缩短——这是常识。
你只是把教科书第一页的内容当成自己破解了五角大楼机密似的在炫耀。
但你脑子拒绝加载的关键点是：
远程锁定 = 首次发现
首次发现 = 先发制人
先发制人 = 对方被迫转入防御
一旦转入防御，再花哨的机动动作也只会变成“求你别打我”的挣扎。
这，就是超视距空战优势的本质。
但没关系，请继续假装你揭露了什么惊天秘密——其实你只是重新发现了《导弹空战入门傻瓜书》的第一页。
简短总结，照顾下你的注意力：
你没驳倒任何东西。
你没挑战任何观点。
你只是骄傲地宣布：你不理解雷达、导弹、战术，甚至基本逻辑——还觉得这是在秀优越。
等你能分清物理规律、宣传话术和你正在干的蠢事之间的区别时，再回来吧。
@lancewood1410
and yet japan cry like a baby LOL. They learn that from the US as well :)
可日本还是哭得像个宝宝，哈哈。他们连这点也是跟美国学的
@lancewood1410
@SlavaRossii-d5w EXCUSES. Maybe japan would like to inform China to send older fighters and use older equipments instead? How bout tying one hand behind their back in a boxing match? :)
你完全是找借口。要不日本干脆要求中国派老式战机、用旧装备上场？或者干脆让中国飞行员比赛时绑一只手？
@jiokl7g9t6
The PL-15 can easily take out a target at that range. The PL-15 won't go active radar until it's terminal, so the F-15 wouldn't have known it had been fired at until it's too late
PL-15完全可以在那个距离击落目标。PL-15在末段之前不会开启主动雷达，所以F-15根本不知道自己已经被发射导弹，等发现时已经太晚了。
@Tammywentwalkabout.
@planetChina.1 wOW ver impressed comment you just wrote, very clear and smart knowledge- Thank you.
哇，你刚才写的评论太厉害了，非常清晰又专业——谢谢你！
@mari-us6rh
This is not a Hollywood movie!! If u think us made are better than China made, u are so wrong!! Same as India thought they have better fighters than Pak(cos China made) And the world knows the outcome of that encounter!!!
这不是好莱坞电影！！如果你觉得美国造的就一定比中国造的好，那你大错特错！印度当初也以为他们的战机比巴基斯坦的（中国制造）强，结果全世界都知道那场遭遇战的结局了！！！
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@mari-us6rh You're an i-diot. Nothing was said about Chinese fighters get your head out of your a$$.
你是个白痴。没人说过中国战机的事，把你脑袋从屁眼里拔出来吧。
@Anonymous------
Pakistan launched Chinese PL15 and shot down 7 Endian military jets including one American F15 and two Franch Rafales from 200 km away, only seconds after those planes had taken off from their runways! Those jets' pilots never knew what happened to them.
巴基斯坦发射中国PL-15导弹，从200公里外击落了7架印度军机，包括一架美制F-15和两架法国“阵风”！那些飞机刚起飞几秒钟就被打下来了，飞行员根本不知道发生了什么。
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@jiokl7g9t6 No it can't, you clearly do not know how air combat works.
不，它做不到。你显然不懂现代空战是怎么回事。
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@lancewood1410 You're a m*ron, not worth wasting oxygen on you.
你是个蠢货，不值得我浪费氧气跟你说话。
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@Trueye-sl2mr Much much more than you clearly.
I'd be willing to bet you are an American shill, pretending to be an idiot Chinese nationalist who just makes handwavy comments online to strawman actual pro-Chinese commentary.
我知道的可比你多多了。
我敢打赌，你就是个美国水军，假装成愚蠢的中国民族主义者，在网上瞎吹一通，好给真正的亲华言论制造吸引攻击的稻草人。
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@planetChina.1 Literally nothing you said contradicted anything I said, your commentary agrees with mine on every single point, yet you have managed to say it in the stupidest, most ignorant, cunt-like way possible.
What a sad, sad sorry pathetic loser. Keep wasting your years of life oxygen huffing and puffing online at literally nothing, I guess. Idiot.
你说了半天，其实一句都没反驳我。你的评论在每个点上都跟我一致，但你偏偏要用最愚蠢、最无知、最恶毒的方式说出来。
真是个可悲、可怜、可叹的失败者。继续在网上对着空气喘粗气吧，反正你的人生也就这样了，白痴。
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@Anonymous------ Engagement range against Rafales was ~80km not 200.
对“阵风”的交战距离大约是80公里，不是200。
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@planetChina.1 Do the world a favor and terminate yourself.
为世界做件好事，自我了断吧。
@Anonymous------
@SlavaRossii-d5w
Endian military jet pilots didn't know their planes were locked in by PL15, it happened so fast only seconds after they took off from the runways, to this day they still don't know why they are 6 feet under. ��
印度军机飞行员根本不知道自己被PL-15锁定了，事情发生得太快——就在他们刚从跑道起飞几秒后。直到今天，他们还在地下六英尺躺着，也不知道自己怎么死的
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@Anonymous------ They didn't know they were locked because Chinese jets used Himalayas as radar cover, not because the missiles outranged the detection range of the Rafale's AESA radar!!!
It is impossible to shoot down a maneuvering target with a missile at 200km. This is obxtively true and verifiable by anyone who knows a damn about BVR combat idk why you're so up in arms about it.
他们之所以不知道被锁定，是因为中国战机利用喜马拉雅山脉作雷达遮蔽，而不是因为导弹射程超过了“阵风”AESA雷达的探测范围！！！
在200公里外击落一架机动目标，客观上是不可能的。任何了解超视距空战的人都知道这一点。我不明白你为什么对此如此激动。
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@Anonymous------ BTW as someone who doesn't care about the Pak-India conflict, your tone about it is reprehensible and disgusting. You should be ashamed for speaking so casually about death and war like that, sitting on your comfy armchair and eating doritos while real men fight.
顺便说一句，作为一个根本不关心印巴冲突的人，你谈论此事的语气令人反感又恶心。坐在舒服的沙发里吃着多力多滋，却如此轻佻地谈论死亡与战争，你应该为自己感到羞耻。
@Anonymous------
@SlavaRossii-d5w
Endia should thought twice before launching air attack on Pakistan, it underestimated Chinese J10 and PL15. Endia is the one should understand vvar is a horrible thing.
印度本该三思而后行，不该贸然对巴基斯坦发动空袭。他们严重低估了中国的歼-10和PL-15。真正该明白战争有多可怕的是印度。
@user-we9lt9xv8z7
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@bobsmith3983
@SlavaRossii-d5w You are the one who doesn't know how modern air combat works. India found out the hard way.
你才是不懂现代空战。印度已经用惨痛代价明白了这一点。
@bobsmith3983
@SlavaRossii-d5w You clearly are ignorant about modern air combat BVR kill chain.
你显然对现代超视距杀伤链一无所知。
@Vincente-C
@SlavaRossii-d5w The Indians fighter Jets were first spotted by the AVACS up in the sky over 200 km. Read my writeup about on how the PL-15 missiles found their targets.
印度战机最早是由高空预警机在200多公里外发现的。你可以读读我写的关于PL-15如何命中目标的分析。
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@Vincente-C You just said it yourself - spotted by AWACS. The actual range that the missiles flew to their targets was ~50-80km.
你自己刚说了——是预警机发现的。但导弹实际飞行到目标的距离大概是50–80公里。
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@bobsmith3983 You are clearly and completely ignorant about BVR combat in general.
148km lock on range against a flying bucket like the F-15 with its 15 sq. meters RCS is not impressive. Cry more about it all you want.
你才完全不懂超视距空战。
对一架雷达反射面积高达15平方米、像飞行铁桶一样的F-15实现148公里锁定，根本不值得吹嘘。你尽管哭去吧。
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@bobsmith3983 You're an !diot if you think that I care about India LMao.
What a sorry, butthurt nationalist loser.
如果你觉得我在乎印度，那你就是个白痴。笑死。
真是个可悲又玻璃心的民族主义loser。
@Vincente-C
@SlavaRossii-d5w You misunderstood! The minute the PL-15 was released from the J-10C it was over 150 km from the target in the air. The AVACS guided it along and it travelled well over 100 km and the last 30 km flight was on itself.
你误解了！PL-15从歼-10C发射时，距离空中目标已经超过150公里。预警机全程引导，导弹飞行超过100公里，最后30公里靠自身导引头完成。
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@Vincente-C Where can I read up on your report of it?
I read other sources on the encounter and I got the idea that the missiles travelled ~80km or so. The jets crashed within something like 30km of the border if I recall.
哪里能看到你这份报告？
我看的其他资料都说导弹飞行距离约80公里左右。我记得那些战机坠毁地点离边境大概只有30公里。
@Vincente-C
@SlavaRossii-d5w FYI. The J-15Js didn't enter the India air space at all when they fired the missiles. They stayed less than 100 km inside Pakistan air space as the J-15J radar wasn't able to see far into India's territory. However, it was the AVACS and satellites that provided them with the guidance to enter into Indian air space. The -15J pilots just followed order to launch and then returned to the base. Once the missiles were launched they followed a path guided by the AVACS to enter into the Indian air space, when the missiles flew at the close proximity of the Rafales, the AVACS switched over controls to the missile's onboard radar and lacer system.
顺便说一下，当时歼-15J（应为歼-10C）根本没有进入印度领空。它们始终在巴基斯坦境内不到100公里处，因为歼-15J雷达无法深入印度境内探测。但预警机和卫星提供了目标信息。飞行员只是按命令发射导弹后就返航了。导弹发射后由预警机引导进入印度领空，接近“阵风”时，预警机将控制权移交给了导弹自身的雷达和激光系统。
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@Vincente-C Yes I am aware of this. But what does AWACS have to do with all this? My assertion is that missiles cannot hit maneuvering fighter jets at 150km or 200km (100km is a big maybe, NEZ for PL-15 is probably around 75km).
AWACS has nothing to do with this. J-15 radar has nothing to do with this either.
Also the fighter jets on the Pakistani side were J-10s and JF-17s not J-15s (to be pedantic).
我知道这些。但预警机和我说的根本无关。我的观点是：导弹无法在150或200公里外击中机动中的战斗机（100公里都存疑，PL-15对战斗机的不可逃逸区大概只有75公里左右）。
预警机与此无关，歼-15雷达也与此无关。
另外，巴基斯坦方面出动的是歼-10和JF-17，不是歼-15（较真一下）。
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@Vincente-C Also on a tangent, in a big war IDK how effective AWACS will be. PL-15 range against fighter jets is maybe around 75km but against prop-driven AWACS it will hit at 200km. Bigger missiles will hit even farther away. Rumors are pla is developing a missile with 600+km range and AWACS will be its target.
And anything the pla can do, other powers will also inevitably be able to do (even if its later / worse / smaller scale).
And given how ludicrously expensive AWACS is, how few of them there are, I just don't see them playing a big role in a truly modern war. I think it will be fighter jet radars that will do the targeting and the searching.
顺便说，大规模战争中预警机未必有效。PL-15对战斗机的有效射程可能约75公里，但对螺旋桨驱动的预警机，可在200公里外击落。更大的导弹射程更远。有传言称解放军正在研发射程600+公里的导弹，专门打预警机。
而且，只要解放军能做到的，其他国家迟早也能做到（哪怕晚一点、差一点、规模小一点）。
考虑到预警机极其昂贵且数量稀少，我不认为它会在真正现代化的战争中扮演重要角色。我认为未来还是靠战斗机自身的雷达进行搜索和瞄准。
@jiokl7g9t6
@SlavaRossii-d5w with a range of 200 - 300km, mid-course guidance from the J-15, launched from a J-15 going supersonic, and a dual pulse engine, the PL-15 won't go active radar until the terminal phase when it's travelling at Mach 5. There's practically no escape zone for an F-15.
PL-15射程200–300公里，由超音速飞行的歼-15发射，配备双脉冲发动机，直到末段才开启主动雷达，此时速度已达马赫5。F-15几乎没有逃脱空间。
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@jiokl7g9t6 I am talking about kinematic no escape zone not something radar-based. The missile does not have infinite flight range so there is always an NEZ. That NEZ is ~70km (possibly even less against extremely maneuverable targets).
If it wasn't a dual-pulse missile that NEZ would be ~40km or less.
我说的是动力学不可逃逸区，不是雷达相关的东西。导弹航程有限，总存在一个不可逃逸区。对PL-15来说，这个距离大约是70公里（对付高机动目标可能更短）。
如果不是双脉冲导弹，不可逃逸区可能只有40公里甚至更少。
@Vincente-C
@SlavaRossii-d5w Your mind set is dog fight is the answer for modern air combat! Electronics warfare is a waste of time.
Note, the recent India/Pakistan conflict, pilots from both sides didn't see each other on their radars.
你的思维还停留在“狗斗才是空战答案”，觉得电子战都是浪费时间。
注意：最近印巴冲突中，双方飞行员在雷达上根本没看到对方。
@Vincente-C
@SlavaRossii-d5w Delusional!
你真是妄想症！
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@Vincente-C You're stupid, not worth wasting breath on you little fanboy.
你太蠢了，不值得我浪费口舌，小粉丝。
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@Vincente-C You don't need to be 148km to not see each other, genius.
India-Pak conflict aerial engagement range was ~70km.
距离148公里时肯定互相看不见，根本不需要那么复杂的解释，天才。
印巴空战的实际交战距离约为70公里。
@Vincente-C
@SlavaRossii-d5w No, no, no! You kept saying the 50-80 km range is wrong. The PL-15 missile was fired from J-10C in the Pakistan air space, not Indian. That is, J-10C took off from the Pakistan air field and gained altitude to fire PL-15 under the supervision of the AVCS. The J-10C fighter jets stayed within the Pakistan border at all time b/c of the Russia made S-400 air defense system. The J-10C is vulnerable to the S-400, but not the PL-15 travelling at Mach 5 speed. The Pakistan air stripe is about 100 km from the India border. Once the missile is launched it is guided and controlled by AVACS and Satellite. When the PL-15 crossed the border and was approaching the target the AVAS switched the PL-15 into terminal mode. That is, the PL-15 onboard radar and laser system will take over the final maneuvering and lock on the target. All seven or more Indian fighter jets were shot down while they were taking off and didn't see the PL-15s coming.
Let's do a little math here for total missile travelling: 100km+(50-80)= 150+km. Do you need a PhD to understand this simple math?
不不不！你一直说50–80公里是错的。PL-15是从巴基斯坦领空内的歼-10C发射的，从未进入印度领空。歼-10C从巴基斯坦机场起飞，在预警机指挥下爬升并发射PL-15。由于俄制S-400防空系统部署在边境，歼-10C不敢越境（易被S-400击落），但以5马赫飞行的PL-15不怕。巴基斯坦空军基地距印巴边境约100公里。导弹发射后由预警机和卫星引导，越过边境后进入末段，预警机将控制权交给导弹的主动雷达和激光系统。七架以上印度战机在起飞阶段就被击落，根本没看到PL-15来袭。
我们来做个简单计算：100公里（基地到边境）+（50–80公里）= 总飞行距离150+公里。你需要博士学位才能理解这小学数学吗？
@Vincente-C
@SlavaRossii-d5w With your IQ level, you will never be qualified to fly one of the birds.
以你的智商，这辈子都不配驾驶任何战机。
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@Vincente-C You keep going on about these irrelevant things again and again.
A missile being launched from 50-80km is not exclusive with it being launched from inside Pakistani airspace into Indian airspace.
I don't know what you mean by "Pakistani air stripe". Anyways, AWACS and satellite guidance have absolutely no relation to the actual flight distance of the missile.
>All seven or more Indian fighter jets were shot down while they were taking off and didn't see the PL-15s coming.
Yes because the Pakistanis USED MOUNTAINS AS RADAR COVER!
Do you really think that Rafales wouldn't be able to see J-10s and JF-17s at 100km or even 150km if this were not the case?
你又在反复讲这些无关紧要的事。
导弹从50–80公里外发射，和它从巴方领空射向印方领空，这两者并不矛盾。
我不知道你说的“巴基斯坦空域”是什么意思。无论如何，预警机和卫星引导与导弹实际飞行距离毫无关系。
“七架以上印度战机在起飞时被击落，根本没看到PL-15。”
对！因为巴基斯坦利用山脉作雷达遮蔽！
你真以为如果没有地形遮蔽，“阵风”会在100甚至150公里外看不到歼-10或JF-17吗？
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@Vincente-C I'll respond again, in addition to what I also responded in your other comment.
You have to be absolutely delusional to think that the PL-15 has some kind of magic substance that makes it fly 10x farther than other missiles of its class (because that is what it would take to have an NEZ of 150km).
AIM-120D has an NEZ of ~20km. Older variants with a dual pulse have approx. the same effective range.
R-37M (a much larger missile) is regularly dodged by old Ukrainian jets at ~80km especially at low altitude.
But the PL-15 somehow has a magic NEZ of 150km?! Give me a break!
再补充一点：
你得有多妄想，才会相信PL-15有什么魔法物质，能让它的射程比同类导弹远10倍（因为要达到150公里不可逃逸区，就必须如此）？
AIM-120D的不可逃逸区只有约20公里。带双脉冲的老型号也差不多。
R-37M（体积大得多的导弹）在80公里外经常被老旧的乌克兰战机躲掉，尤其在低空。
但PL-15的不可逃逸区居然有150公里？！别开玩笑了！
@Vincente-C
@SlavaRossii-d5w India-Pak conflict aerial engagement range was ~70km." You kept repeating the same narrative over and over again! Blah, blah, blah.! Show me a copy of the PL-15 actual test report on engagement range! If you can't come up with any hard facts, just keep your mouth shut!
你一直在重复“印巴空战交战距离约70公里”这个说法！
拿出PL-15实际测试报告的交战距离数据来！拿不出硬证据，就闭嘴！
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@Vincente-C You show me a copy of the PL-15 test report, idiot.
Seriously what a stupid thing to say.
你倒是给我一份PL-15的测试报告啊，白痴。
说这种话真是蠢到家了。
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@Vincente-C I provided actual hard evidence that the aerial engagement range was ~70km (BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT WAS AND THAT IS ALSO WHAT ENGAGEMENT RANGES WITH MAxiMUM RANGE MISSILES IN UKRAINE ALSO IS).
You are the one who keeps blindly repeating 100-150km figures like an absolute moron who cannot distinguish between an NEZ and idealized range against non-maneuvering targets.
我已经提供了确凿的证据，证明那次空战的实际交战距离约为70公里（因为事实就是如此，而且乌克兰战场上使用最大射程导弹的交战距离也同样是这个水平）。
而你却像个彻底的傻瓜一样，不断盲目重复100–150公里这种数字，连“不可逃逸区”（NEZ）和针对非机动目标的理想化最大射程都分不清。
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@Vincente-C Listen - you have proven yourself to be an idiot and a clueless person on the subject at hand numerous times throughout our conversation. And also someone who has no reading comprehension.
Any further attempt to discuss anything with you is a waste of time. Goodbye.
听着——在我们的对话中，你已经多次证明自己在这个问题上既愚蠢又无知，而且完全不具备阅读理解能力。
再跟你讨论任何事情都是浪费时间。再见。
@Vincente-C
@SlavaRossii-d5w " I provided actual hard evidence" to whom? Show me a technical writeup and a actual test report to prove you didn't dream this up!
“我提供了确凿的证据”？给谁看的？
拿出一份技术分析文档和真实的测试报告来，证明你不是自己瞎编的！
@Vincente-C
@SlavaRossii-d5w Now you are changing subject to Ukraine and Russia conflict. Did they use the PL-15 missiles? Tell me what Russia has been using to neutralize the Ukraine air defense system taking controls of the air space security.
现在你又把话题转到俄乌冲突上了。他们用的是PL-15导弹吗？
告诉我，俄罗斯到底用了什么手段来压制乌克兰的防空系统、夺取制空权？
On December 6th, the Miyako Strait became a flashpoint when Chinese J-15 Flying Shark fighters executed a hostile fire control radar lock on Japanese F-15 Eagle interceptors. This wasn't a drill—it was a calculated show of force from the Liaoning aircraft carrier group.
In this video, we analyze the terrifying implications of this encounter. The J-15s locked onto JASDF jets twice: first at a dangerous 52km, and then at a staggering 148km. This confirms a massive leap in China's military technology, proving their ability to target and potentially engage hostile aircraft from well beyond visual range (BVR).
We break down the technical specs of the radar systems involved, the tactical disadvantage this creates for Japan's aging F-15 fleet, and why this China Japan tension is escalating faster than predicted.
Is the JASDF ready for this new level of air combat threat?
一次148公里的雷达锁定，刚刚改变了太平洋地区的交战规则。
12月6日，宫古海峡成为热点——中国“歼-15飞鲨”战斗机对日本航空自卫队的F-15“鹰”式拦截机实施了敌意火控雷达锁定。这并非演习，而是来自“辽宁号”航母战斗群的一次精心策划的武力展示。
在本视频中，我们将分析此次遭遇所引发的可怕后果。歼-15战机两次锁定日本自卫队战机：第一次在危险的52公里距离，第二次则达到了惊人的148公里。这证实了中国军事技术的巨大飞跃，证明其已具备在超视距范围外探测、锁定并可能攻击敌方战机的能力。
我们将深入解析所涉雷达系统的技术参数、日本老旧F-15机队由此陷入的战术劣势，以及为何中日紧张关系正以超出预期的速度升级。
日本航空自卫队是否已准备好应对这一全新层级的空中威胁？
@SlavaRossii-d5w
148km radar lock on a huge non-stealth aircraft like the F-15 is not impressive.
Also an actual missile kill at that range, against a maneuvering fighter aircraft that knows it is being targeted, is not practical / feasible, not with any missile in the world today (not even ones that are "theoretically" rated for 400+ km against non-maneuvering targets).
对一架像F-15这样巨大且毫无隐身能力的飞机实现148公里的雷达锁定，并不令人印象深刻。
而且，在当今世界上，没有任何导弹（哪怕是那些“理论上”宣称射程超过400公里、用于打击非机动目标的导弹）能在这种距离上实际击落一架正在机动、且知道自己已被锁定的战斗机。这在实战中既不现实，也不可行。
@GenghisX999
Of course you do realize this was for demonstration and warning. J15 turned on their targeting radar and got lock before F15 even knew they were there In real war situation, target acquisition would be done be passive radar via AWACS or ship/ground radar ad J15 would have shot missile to designated coordinates. The bogey would then have seconds warning before being hit as 2nd stage hypersonic ignition as it approaches terminal target. This is what Pakistan did to India's Rafale.
你要明白这次演示本就是一种警告。歼-15在F-15甚至还没意识到它们存在时，就已经开启火控雷达并完成锁定。在真实战争中，目标获取会通过预警机或舰船/地面雷达的被动探测完成，歼-15只需向指定坐标发射导弹。目标在被击中前可能只有几秒预警时间——因为导弹在接近末段目标时才会启动第二级高超音速发动机点火。巴基斯坦就是这么干掉印度“阵风”的。
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@GenghisX999 Yes you are correct.
Japanese F-15s are ANCIENT though (not modernized) so of course they can't see Chinese fighters at that range without external data.
但日本的F-15非常老旧（并未现代化升级），所以当然无法在没有外部数据支持的情况下，在那么远的距离发现中国战机。
@planetChina.1
Wow. The sheer confidence you have while talking absolute nonsense should be bottled and sold as a miracle drug.
If delusion had a range, yours would beat every missile ever built.
Let’s decode your “expert analysis,” because clearly you don’t understand it:
“148 km lock on an F-15 is not impressive.”
Right, because in your fantasy world, radars are supposed to struggle to detect a giant flying brick with zero stealth features.
Only you would look at a system doing exactly what it’s designed to do and shout, “Not impressive!”
It’s like watching someone hit a bullseye and yelling, “Meh, too accurate!”
“A missile can’t kill a maneuvering fighter at that range.”
Thank you, Captain Obvious.
Next revelation: the sky is blue?
Engagement ranges shrink in real combat — absolutely everyone already knows that.
You’re repeating textbook basics like you cracked a Pentagon secret file.
Here’s the part your brain refuses to load:
Long-range lock = first detection
First detection = first shot
First shot = you go defensive
And once you’re defensive, your fancy aerobatics turn into “please don’t hit me” maneuvers
That’s literally how BVR dominance works.
But sure, keep pretending you exposed something groundbreaking when all you did was rediscover page one of Missile Combat for Dummies.
Short recap for your attention span:
You didn’t debunk anything.
You didn’t challenge anything.
You just proudly announced you don’t understand radar, missiles, tactics, or basic logic — and somehow thought that was a flex.
Come back when you can tell the difference between physics, propaganda, and whatever it is you’re doing.
哇哦。你一边胡说八道，一边还如此自信满满——这种状态真该装瓶卖出去，当神药！
如果你的妄想也有射程，那它肯定能碾压人类历史上所有导弹。
让我来帮你“解码”一下你的“专家分析”，因为你显然完全不懂：
你说：“148公里锁定F-15并不震惊。”
对啊，在你的幻想世界里，雷达居然应该很难发现一个毫无隐身设计、体型巨大的“飞行砖块”。
只有你才会看着一个系统完美执行它本该做的事，然后大喊：“没意思！”
这就像是有人正中靶心，你却嚷嚷：“切，太准了反而没劲！”
对于你的言论：“导弹不可能在那么远距离击落一架机动中的战斗机。”
谢谢啊，显而易见先生。
下一个惊人发现是不是“天空是蓝色的”？
所有人都知道：实战中交战距离会缩短——这是常识。
你只是把教科书第一页的内容当成自己破解了五角大楼机密似的在炫耀。
但你脑子拒绝加载的关键点是：
远程锁定 = 首次发现
首次发现 = 先发制人
先发制人 = 对方被迫转入防御
一旦转入防御，再花哨的机动动作也只会变成“求你别打我”的挣扎。
这，就是超视距空战优势的本质。
但没关系，请继续假装你揭露了什么惊天秘密——其实你只是重新发现了《导弹空战入门傻瓜书》的第一页。
简短总结，照顾下你的注意力：
你没驳倒任何东西。
你没挑战任何观点。
你只是骄傲地宣布：你不理解雷达、导弹、战术，甚至基本逻辑——还觉得这是在秀优越。
等你能分清物理规律、宣传话术和你正在干的蠢事之间的区别时，再回来吧。
@lancewood1410
and yet japan cry like a baby LOL. They learn that from the US as well :)
可日本还是哭得像个宝宝，哈哈。他们连这点也是跟美国学的
@lancewood1410
@SlavaRossii-d5w EXCUSES. Maybe japan would like to inform China to send older fighters and use older equipments instead? How bout tying one hand behind their back in a boxing match? :)
你完全是找借口。要不日本干脆要求中国派老式战机、用旧装备上场？或者干脆让中国飞行员比赛时绑一只手？
@jiokl7g9t6
The PL-15 can easily take out a target at that range. The PL-15 won't go active radar until it's terminal, so the F-15 wouldn't have known it had been fired at until it's too late
PL-15完全可以在那个距离击落目标。PL-15在末段之前不会开启主动雷达，所以F-15根本不知道自己已经被发射导弹，等发现时已经太晚了。
@Tammywentwalkabout.
@planetChina.1 wOW ver impressed comment you just wrote, very clear and smart knowledge- Thank you.
哇，你刚才写的评论太厉害了，非常清晰又专业——谢谢你！
@mari-us6rh
This is not a Hollywood movie!! If u think us made are better than China made, u are so wrong!! Same as India thought they have better fighters than Pak(cos China made) And the world knows the outcome of that encounter!!!
这不是好莱坞电影！！如果你觉得美国造的就一定比中国造的好，那你大错特错！印度当初也以为他们的战机比巴基斯坦的（中国制造）强，结果全世界都知道那场遭遇战的结局了！！！
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@mari-us6rh You're an i-diot. Nothing was said about Chinese fighters get your head out of your a$$.
你是个白痴。没人说过中国战机的事，把你脑袋从屁眼里拔出来吧。
@Anonymous------
Pakistan launched Chinese PL15 and shot down 7 Endian military jets including one American F15 and two Franch Rafales from 200 km away, only seconds after those planes had taken off from their runways! Those jets' pilots never knew what happened to them.
巴基斯坦发射中国PL-15导弹，从200公里外击落了7架印度军机，包括一架美制F-15和两架法国“阵风”！那些飞机刚起飞几秒钟就被打下来了，飞行员根本不知道发生了什么。
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@jiokl7g9t6 No it can't, you clearly do not know how air combat works.
不，它做不到。你显然不懂现代空战是怎么回事。
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@lancewood1410 You're a m*ron, not worth wasting oxygen on you.
你是个蠢货，不值得我浪费氧气跟你说话。
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@Trueye-sl2mr Much much more than you clearly.
I'd be willing to bet you are an American shill, pretending to be an idiot Chinese nationalist who just makes handwavy comments online to strawman actual pro-Chinese commentary.
我知道的可比你多多了。
我敢打赌，你就是个美国水军，假装成愚蠢的中国民族主义者，在网上瞎吹一通，好给真正的亲华言论制造吸引攻击的稻草人。
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@planetChina.1 Literally nothing you said contradicted anything I said, your commentary agrees with mine on every single point, yet you have managed to say it in the stupidest, most ignorant, cunt-like way possible.
What a sad, sad sorry pathetic loser. Keep wasting your years of life oxygen huffing and puffing online at literally nothing, I guess. Idiot.
你说了半天，其实一句都没反驳我。你的评论在每个点上都跟我一致，但你偏偏要用最愚蠢、最无知、最恶毒的方式说出来。
真是个可悲、可怜、可叹的失败者。继续在网上对着空气喘粗气吧，反正你的人生也就这样了，白痴。
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@Anonymous------ Engagement range against Rafales was ~80km not 200.
对“阵风”的交战距离大约是80公里，不是200。
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@planetChina.1 Do the world a favor and terminate yourself.
为世界做件好事，自我了断吧。
@Anonymous------
@SlavaRossii-d5w
Endian military jet pilots didn't know their planes were locked in by PL15, it happened so fast only seconds after they took off from the runways, to this day they still don't know why they are 6 feet under. ��
印度军机飞行员根本不知道自己被PL-15锁定了，事情发生得太快——就在他们刚从跑道起飞几秒后。直到今天，他们还在地下六英尺躺着，也不知道自己怎么死的
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@Anonymous------ They didn't know they were locked because Chinese jets used Himalayas as radar cover, not because the missiles outranged the detection range of the Rafale's AESA radar!!!
It is impossible to shoot down a maneuvering target with a missile at 200km. This is obxtively true and verifiable by anyone who knows a damn about BVR combat idk why you're so up in arms about it.
他们之所以不知道被锁定，是因为中国战机利用喜马拉雅山脉作雷达遮蔽，而不是因为导弹射程超过了“阵风”AESA雷达的探测范围！！！
在200公里外击落一架机动目标，客观上是不可能的。任何了解超视距空战的人都知道这一点。我不明白你为什么对此如此激动。
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@Anonymous------ BTW as someone who doesn't care about the Pak-India conflict, your tone about it is reprehensible and disgusting. You should be ashamed for speaking so casually about death and war like that, sitting on your comfy armchair and eating doritos while real men fight.
顺便说一句，作为一个根本不关心印巴冲突的人，你谈论此事的语气令人反感又恶心。坐在舒服的沙发里吃着多力多滋，却如此轻佻地谈论死亡与战争，你应该为自己感到羞耻。
@Anonymous------
@SlavaRossii-d5w
Endia should thought twice before launching air attack on Pakistan, it underestimated Chinese J10 and PL15. Endia is the one should understand vvar is a horrible thing.
印度本该三思而后行，不该贸然对巴基斯坦发动空袭。他们严重低估了中国的歼-10和PL-15。真正该明白战争有多可怕的是印度。
@user-we9lt9xv8z7
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@bobsmith3983
@SlavaRossii-d5w You are the one who doesn't know how modern air combat works. India found out the hard way.
你才是不懂现代空战。印度已经用惨痛代价明白了这一点。
@bobsmith3983
@SlavaRossii-d5w You clearly are ignorant about modern air combat BVR kill chain.
你显然对现代超视距杀伤链一无所知。
@Vincente-C
@SlavaRossii-d5w The Indians fighter Jets were first spotted by the AVACS up in the sky over 200 km. Read my writeup about on how the PL-15 missiles found their targets.
印度战机最早是由高空预警机在200多公里外发现的。你可以读读我写的关于PL-15如何命中目标的分析。
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@Vincente-C You just said it yourself - spotted by AWACS. The actual range that the missiles flew to their targets was ~50-80km.
你自己刚说了——是预警机发现的。但导弹实际飞行到目标的距离大概是50–80公里。
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@bobsmith3983 You are clearly and completely ignorant about BVR combat in general.
148km lock on range against a flying bucket like the F-15 with its 15 sq. meters RCS is not impressive. Cry more about it all you want.
你才完全不懂超视距空战。
对一架雷达反射面积高达15平方米、像飞行铁桶一样的F-15实现148公里锁定，根本不值得吹嘘。你尽管哭去吧。
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@bobsmith3983 You're an !diot if you think that I care about India LMao.
What a sorry, butthurt nationalist loser.
如果你觉得我在乎印度，那你就是个白痴。笑死。
真是个可悲又玻璃心的民族主义loser。
@Vincente-C
@SlavaRossii-d5w You misunderstood! The minute the PL-15 was released from the J-10C it was over 150 km from the target in the air. The AVACS guided it along and it travelled well over 100 km and the last 30 km flight was on itself.
你误解了！PL-15从歼-10C发射时，距离空中目标已经超过150公里。预警机全程引导，导弹飞行超过100公里，最后30公里靠自身导引头完成。
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@Vincente-C Where can I read up on your report of it?
I read other sources on the encounter and I got the idea that the missiles travelled ~80km or so. The jets crashed within something like 30km of the border if I recall.
哪里能看到你这份报告？
我看的其他资料都说导弹飞行距离约80公里左右。我记得那些战机坠毁地点离边境大概只有30公里。
@Vincente-C
@SlavaRossii-d5w FYI. The J-15Js didn't enter the India air space at all when they fired the missiles. They stayed less than 100 km inside Pakistan air space as the J-15J radar wasn't able to see far into India's territory. However, it was the AVACS and satellites that provided them with the guidance to enter into Indian air space. The -15J pilots just followed order to launch and then returned to the base. Once the missiles were launched they followed a path guided by the AVACS to enter into the Indian air space, when the missiles flew at the close proximity of the Rafales, the AVACS switched over controls to the missile's onboard radar and lacer system.
顺便说一下，当时歼-15J（应为歼-10C）根本没有进入印度领空。它们始终在巴基斯坦境内不到100公里处，因为歼-15J雷达无法深入印度境内探测。但预警机和卫星提供了目标信息。飞行员只是按命令发射导弹后就返航了。导弹发射后由预警机引导进入印度领空，接近“阵风”时，预警机将控制权移交给了导弹自身的雷达和激光系统。
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@Vincente-C Yes I am aware of this. But what does AWACS have to do with all this? My assertion is that missiles cannot hit maneuvering fighter jets at 150km or 200km (100km is a big maybe, NEZ for PL-15 is probably around 75km).
AWACS has nothing to do with this. J-15 radar has nothing to do with this either.
Also the fighter jets on the Pakistani side were J-10s and JF-17s not J-15s (to be pedantic).
我知道这些。但预警机和我说的根本无关。我的观点是：导弹无法在150或200公里外击中机动中的战斗机（100公里都存疑，PL-15对战斗机的不可逃逸区大概只有75公里左右）。
预警机与此无关，歼-15雷达也与此无关。
另外，巴基斯坦方面出动的是歼-10和JF-17，不是歼-15（较真一下）。
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@Vincente-C Also on a tangent, in a big war IDK how effective AWACS will be. PL-15 range against fighter jets is maybe around 75km but against prop-driven AWACS it will hit at 200km. Bigger missiles will hit even farther away. Rumors are pla is developing a missile with 600+km range and AWACS will be its target.
And anything the pla can do, other powers will also inevitably be able to do (even if its later / worse / smaller scale).
And given how ludicrously expensive AWACS is, how few of them there are, I just don't see them playing a big role in a truly modern war. I think it will be fighter jet radars that will do the targeting and the searching.
顺便说，大规模战争中预警机未必有效。PL-15对战斗机的有效射程可能约75公里，但对螺旋桨驱动的预警机，可在200公里外击落。更大的导弹射程更远。有传言称解放军正在研发射程600+公里的导弹，专门打预警机。
而且，只要解放军能做到的，其他国家迟早也能做到（哪怕晚一点、差一点、规模小一点）。
考虑到预警机极其昂贵且数量稀少，我不认为它会在真正现代化的战争中扮演重要角色。我认为未来还是靠战斗机自身的雷达进行搜索和瞄准。
@jiokl7g9t6
@SlavaRossii-d5w with a range of 200 - 300km, mid-course guidance from the J-15, launched from a J-15 going supersonic, and a dual pulse engine, the PL-15 won't go active radar until the terminal phase when it's travelling at Mach 5. There's practically no escape zone for an F-15.
PL-15射程200–300公里，由超音速飞行的歼-15发射，配备双脉冲发动机，直到末段才开启主动雷达，此时速度已达马赫5。F-15几乎没有逃脱空间。
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@jiokl7g9t6 I am talking about kinematic no escape zone not something radar-based. The missile does not have infinite flight range so there is always an NEZ. That NEZ is ~70km (possibly even less against extremely maneuverable targets).
If it wasn't a dual-pulse missile that NEZ would be ~40km or less.
我说的是动力学不可逃逸区，不是雷达相关的东西。导弹航程有限，总存在一个不可逃逸区。对PL-15来说，这个距离大约是70公里（对付高机动目标可能更短）。
如果不是双脉冲导弹，不可逃逸区可能只有40公里甚至更少。
@Vincente-C
@SlavaRossii-d5w Your mind set is dog fight is the answer for modern air combat! Electronics warfare is a waste of time.
Note, the recent India/Pakistan conflict, pilots from both sides didn't see each other on their radars.
你的思维还停留在“狗斗才是空战答案”，觉得电子战都是浪费时间。
注意：最近印巴冲突中，双方飞行员在雷达上根本没看到对方。
@Vincente-C
@SlavaRossii-d5w Delusional!
你真是妄想症！
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@Vincente-C You're stupid, not worth wasting breath on you little fanboy.
你太蠢了，不值得我浪费口舌，小粉丝。
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@Vincente-C You don't need to be 148km to not see each other, genius.
India-Pak conflict aerial engagement range was ~70km.
距离148公里时肯定互相看不见，根本不需要那么复杂的解释，天才。
印巴空战的实际交战距离约为70公里。
@Vincente-C
@SlavaRossii-d5w No, no, no! You kept saying the 50-80 km range is wrong. The PL-15 missile was fired from J-10C in the Pakistan air space, not Indian. That is, J-10C took off from the Pakistan air field and gained altitude to fire PL-15 under the supervision of the AVCS. The J-10C fighter jets stayed within the Pakistan border at all time b/c of the Russia made S-400 air defense system. The J-10C is vulnerable to the S-400, but not the PL-15 travelling at Mach 5 speed. The Pakistan air stripe is about 100 km from the India border. Once the missile is launched it is guided and controlled by AVACS and Satellite. When the PL-15 crossed the border and was approaching the target the AVAS switched the PL-15 into terminal mode. That is, the PL-15 onboard radar and laser system will take over the final maneuvering and lock on the target. All seven or more Indian fighter jets were shot down while they were taking off and didn't see the PL-15s coming.
Let's do a little math here for total missile travelling: 100km+(50-80)= 150+km. Do you need a PhD to understand this simple math?
不不不！你一直说50–80公里是错的。PL-15是从巴基斯坦领空内的歼-10C发射的，从未进入印度领空。歼-10C从巴基斯坦机场起飞，在预警机指挥下爬升并发射PL-15。由于俄制S-400防空系统部署在边境，歼-10C不敢越境（易被S-400击落），但以5马赫飞行的PL-15不怕。巴基斯坦空军基地距印巴边境约100公里。导弹发射后由预警机和卫星引导，越过边境后进入末段，预警机将控制权交给导弹的主动雷达和激光系统。七架以上印度战机在起飞阶段就被击落，根本没看到PL-15来袭。
我们来做个简单计算：100公里（基地到边境）+（50–80公里）= 总飞行距离150+公里。你需要博士学位才能理解这小学数学吗？
@Vincente-C
@SlavaRossii-d5w With your IQ level, you will never be qualified to fly one of the birds.
以你的智商，这辈子都不配驾驶任何战机。
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@Vincente-C You keep going on about these irrelevant things again and again.
A missile being launched from 50-80km is not exclusive with it being launched from inside Pakistani airspace into Indian airspace.
I don't know what you mean by "Pakistani air stripe". Anyways, AWACS and satellite guidance have absolutely no relation to the actual flight distance of the missile.
>All seven or more Indian fighter jets were shot down while they were taking off and didn't see the PL-15s coming.
Yes because the Pakistanis USED MOUNTAINS AS RADAR COVER!
Do you really think that Rafales wouldn't be able to see J-10s and JF-17s at 100km or even 150km if this were not the case?
你又在反复讲这些无关紧要的事。
导弹从50–80公里外发射，和它从巴方领空射向印方领空，这两者并不矛盾。
我不知道你说的“巴基斯坦空域”是什么意思。无论如何，预警机和卫星引导与导弹实际飞行距离毫无关系。
“七架以上印度战机在起飞时被击落，根本没看到PL-15。”
对！因为巴基斯坦利用山脉作雷达遮蔽！
你真以为如果没有地形遮蔽，“阵风”会在100甚至150公里外看不到歼-10或JF-17吗？
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@Vincente-C I'll respond again, in addition to what I also responded in your other comment.
You have to be absolutely delusional to think that the PL-15 has some kind of magic substance that makes it fly 10x farther than other missiles of its class (because that is what it would take to have an NEZ of 150km).
AIM-120D has an NEZ of ~20km. Older variants with a dual pulse have approx. the same effective range.
R-37M (a much larger missile) is regularly dodged by old Ukrainian jets at ~80km especially at low altitude.
But the PL-15 somehow has a magic NEZ of 150km?! Give me a break!
再补充一点：
你得有多妄想，才会相信PL-15有什么魔法物质，能让它的射程比同类导弹远10倍（因为要达到150公里不可逃逸区，就必须如此）？
AIM-120D的不可逃逸区只有约20公里。带双脉冲的老型号也差不多。
R-37M（体积大得多的导弹）在80公里外经常被老旧的乌克兰战机躲掉，尤其在低空。
但PL-15的不可逃逸区居然有150公里？！别开玩笑了！
@Vincente-C
@SlavaRossii-d5w India-Pak conflict aerial engagement range was ~70km." You kept repeating the same narrative over and over again! Blah, blah, blah.! Show me a copy of the PL-15 actual test report on engagement range! If you can't come up with any hard facts, just keep your mouth shut!
你一直在重复“印巴空战交战距离约70公里”这个说法！
拿出PL-15实际测试报告的交战距离数据来！拿不出硬证据，就闭嘴！
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@Vincente-C You show me a copy of the PL-15 test report, idiot.
Seriously what a stupid thing to say.
你倒是给我一份PL-15的测试报告啊，白痴。
说这种话真是蠢到家了。
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@Vincente-C I provided actual hard evidence that the aerial engagement range was ~70km (BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT WAS AND THAT IS ALSO WHAT ENGAGEMENT RANGES WITH MAxiMUM RANGE MISSILES IN UKRAINE ALSO IS).
You are the one who keeps blindly repeating 100-150km figures like an absolute moron who cannot distinguish between an NEZ and idealized range against non-maneuvering targets.
我已经提供了确凿的证据，证明那次空战的实际交战距离约为70公里（因为事实就是如此，而且乌克兰战场上使用最大射程导弹的交战距离也同样是这个水平）。
而你却像个彻底的傻瓜一样，不断盲目重复100–150公里这种数字，连“不可逃逸区”（NEZ）和针对非机动目标的理想化最大射程都分不清。
@SlavaRossii-d5w
@Vincente-C Listen - you have proven yourself to be an idiot and a clueless person on the subject at hand numerous times throughout our conversation. And also someone who has no reading comprehension.
Any further attempt to discuss anything with you is a waste of time. Goodbye.
听着——在我们的对话中，你已经多次证明自己在这个问题上既愚蠢又无知，而且完全不具备阅读理解能力。
再跟你讨论任何事情都是浪费时间。再见。
@Vincente-C
@SlavaRossii-d5w " I provided actual hard evidence" to whom? Show me a technical writeup and a actual test report to prove you didn't dream this up!
“我提供了确凿的证据”？给谁看的？
拿出一份技术分析文档和真实的测试报告来，证明你不是自己瞎编的！
@Vincente-C
@SlavaRossii-d5w Now you are changing subject to Ukraine and Russia conflict. Did they use the PL-15 missiles? Tell me what Russia has been using to neutralize the Ukraine air defense system taking controls of the air space security.
现在你又把话题转到俄乌冲突上了。他们用的是PL-15导弹吗？
告诉我，俄罗斯到底用了什么手段来压制乌克兰的防空系统、夺取制空权？
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