A-10 攻击机的谢幕:为何怀旧无法拯救这款深受美军喜爱的攻击机
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@jkemmery
Desert Storm infantry vet here, 5th Cavalry regiment, 1st Cavalry Division. We watched 4 A-10's completely decimate a battalion of Iraqi armor on our push through southern Iraq. When the A-10's left the AO, what was left of that battalion did nothing but surrender. I never fired a shot, never got shot at. I will always love my angel, the Warthog.
我是参加过 “沙漠风暴” 行动的老兵,隶属第一骑兵师第五骑兵团。在向伊拉克南部推进的途中,我们亲眼目睹四架 A-10 攻击机将一支伊拉克装甲营彻底击溃。
当 A-10 编队飞离任务区域后,那支装甲营的残部除了投降别无他法。我全程一枪未发,也没遭到任何射击。我会永远钟爱我的 “天使”—— 这头 “疣猪”。
@manm4096
first thank you for your service, I never got past Jrotc do to an injury. I have lost friends and family of friends from desert storm. I have been in love with our military in all they do for our country, I do help out behind the scene... and the A-10 warthog is 1 of the greatest combat fighters of all time.
首先,感谢你的奉献。我曾因一次伤病,没能完成初级预备役军官训练团的学业。我有几位亲友和朋友的家人,都在 “沙漠风暴” 行动中丧生。
我一直崇敬着我们的军队,感念他们为国家所做的一切。我也在幕后尽自己的一份力…… A-10 “疣猪” 攻击机,无疑是有史以来最顶尖的作战机型之一。
@weshoward1984
I’m alive because of the A-10, and there are probably millions of Vets and ADM members who have similar experiences as mine, so to say that I am biased is an understatement to say the least… do I have absolute faith that there is something that could equally replace the Warthog? Yes, but new technology and machinery does not have existing legendary status carrying with it lore and history that would imminently drive fear into the hardest of soldiers… and as much as I love technology and advanced weaponry, there will never be another A-10 Warthog! Thank You dear friend and savior! I will be forever indebted to your service! Semper Fidelis!!
我能活下来,全靠 A-10 攻击机。或许有成千上万的退伍老兵和现役军人,都有着和我相似的经历。所以,如果说我对它有偏爱,那简直是轻描淡写! 我是否坚信,有某种装备能完全取代这头 “疣猪”?
答案是肯定的。但新技术、新装备,终究不具备它现有的传奇地位,也没有那些足以让最勇猛的战士都闻风丧胆的传奇故事与历史积淀
尽管我同样热爱科技与先进武器装备,但这世上,绝不会再有第二款 A-10 “疣猪”!谢谢你,我亲爱的战友与救世主!你的守护之恩,我永生难忘!永远忠诚!
@stevesmith6385
I've told you a million times to not exaggerate. Legendary status is meaningless bulllshit
我说过无数遍了,别夸大其词。所谓的传奇地位,根本就是毫无意义的废话。
@weshoward1984
@stevesmith6385 That meaningless bullshit saved me and 12 other Marines from an otherwise likely death I wouldn't wish on anyone...the previous day this particular group of "Taliban" had ambushed a med transport, captured them, then recorded torturing and killing them and gave the video to US journalists... so that's why we were there, to neutralize this particular group, shockingly though the intel was inaccurate and they had far more soldiers than the 20 originally reported... And we ended up essentially falling into their trap by doing exactly what they wanted us to do... as with almost any mission we had 3 POA's and when we called in air support all available drones in the area were otherwise engaged but luckily for us a meaningless aircraft was 5 minutes away and no matter what your worthless opinions are about the aircraft this Warthog absolutely had a LEGENDARY PILOT behind the stick and we all made it home to our families that day while simultaneously making sure the enemy did not not... so I will continue to exaggerate about this worthless outdated piece of shit aircraft because I can, and deservedly so.
你口中那毫无意义的破烂玩意儿,救了我和另外 12 名海军陆战队员的命 —— 不然我们十有八九会惨死,那是我连想都不愿想的结局。
就在前一天,这伙所谓的 “塔利班” 武装伏击了一支医疗运输队,不仅俘虏了队员,还拍摄下了虐杀他们的视频,将其交给了美国记者。我们此行的目的,就是为了剿灭这股武装。
可令人震惊的是,情报严重失实,对方的兵力远超最初报告的 20 人。最终,我们完全落入了他们设下的圈套,我们的一举一动都正中其下怀。
和几乎所有任务一样,我们当时制定了三套行动计划。在请求空中支援时,该区域所有可调用的无人机都在执行其他任务。
但万幸的是,有一架在你看来 “毫无价值” 的战机,当时距离我们仅有 5 分钟的航程。
不管你对这架战机抱有多么大的偏见,但操控它的飞行员绝对是技艺超群的传奇人物。那天,我们全员都活着回到了家人身边,而那群敌人,则被尽数歼灭。
所以,我会继续为这架在你眼中 “一无是处、早已过时的破烂” 大书特书
因为我有这个资格,而且我理应这么做
@Yeet42069
@weshoward1984 No. What saved you and 12 other marines is CAS in an era where you weren't swarmed by drones. The a10 in a modern conflict is nothing more than a drone magnet.
I agree with not scrapping it because it can still be useful in some conflict somewhere and it can certainly save lives there. But it is very much outdated and to be replaced for modern engagements.
不是的。救了你和另外 12 名海军陆战队员的,是近距离空中支援体系
你们当时所处的时代,还没有被无人机遍地的局面所笼罩。在现代化冲突中,A-10 攻击机不过就是个不折不扣的 “无人机靶机”。
@jamesmichael3609
My job in the Army was a lowly driver. Our favorite vehicle was an OD Green Checker. When you turned the key, it cranked. When you stepped on the brake it stopped. When you stepped on the accelerator, it sped up. I'm told that same trait is why the Warthog is loved.
我在部队里的职务只是个不起眼的驾驶员。我们那会儿最喜欢的座驾,是一辆军绿色的美式敞篷吉普车。
拧下钥匙,它就能启动;踩下刹车,它就会停下;一脚油门下去,它便能提速。我听人说,“疣猪”(A-10 攻击机)之所以这么受追捧,靠的也是这般可靠耐用的特质。
@BstrdDoc
Army medic assigned to an infantry platoon here. The A10 is easily the most beautiful sight you can see when you’re pinned down. That BRRRRRRT is the greatest sound I’ve ever heard and yes it’s 100% possible to get hard from just a sound.
我曾是一名配属步兵排的陆军医生
当你被火力压制、动弹不得时,A-10 攻击机绝对是你能看到的最美景象。
那阵标志性的 “哒哒哒哒” 扫射声,是我听过最动听的声音 —— 没错,单是这声响,就足以让人热血沸腾。
@Dominator248
Given how Russia still loves to run convoys I’d say the A10s favorite meal is still on the menu
鉴于俄罗斯到现在还热衷于派出地面车队,依我看,A-10最钟爱的‘大餐’可还一直在‘菜单’上呢!
@KMCA779
That sounds intentional... in all honesty the A-10 is ANCIENT and ignoring cost effectiveness drones seem to have taken over the role.
Hell ask Afghans or Iraqies how they feel about drones loitering overhead.
On the ground I bet the A-10 has a much greater moral effect than any drone though.
这话听着像是故意的,但说实话,A-10 攻击机早就老旧不堪了。抛开机效成本不谈,无人机显然已经接手了它的作战职能。
去问问阿富汗人或者伊拉克人,当头顶上有无人机盘旋时他们是什么感觉。
不过我敢说,在战场上A-10 攻击机带来的心理威慑效果,远比任何一款无人机都要强烈。
@Tential1
Everything they want to do is to fight a Chinese army, fully kitted in the best gear. They're planning for scenarios that don't exist. We don't need a new rifle that shoots out to 800 yards. Idiot, I won't know to look there, because most humans can't make other other humans at distance, especially if they don't want to be seen.
他们一心想做的,就是和一支全副武装、装备精良的中国军队开战
我们根本不需要一支能打到800码远的新步枪。这简直是蠢货的想法,因为在那个距离上我根本不知道该往哪儿看
因为大多数人在那么远的距离上根本发现不了敌人
尤其是当对方刻意隐蔽的时候。
@bentogel
the only plane to replace the A-10 is another A-10
能取代A-10的,只有另一架A-10
@ruenin74
I watched a pair of A-10s doing maneuvers over Maryland about 30 years ago. I was mesmerized watching them climb into the clouds and dive back out somewhere else. It was really cool.
大约30年前,我在马里兰州上空看到两架A-10正在进行特技飞行。我目不转睛地看着它们爬升钻入云层,然后又在别处俯冲而出。那场面真是酷毙了
@kensounds5177
my airforce brother in law explained the A10 to me this way ; while A10 pilots might love them the AF command doesn't really understand close air support, so they want a more expensive toy they think can do the same job. the Marines would love to have it IF they could fly them off of a ship to support amphibious landings. the Navy could use them IF they could operate off of a ship , but they would rather use their carrier deck space for other planes. The Army are restricted from using fixed wing aircraft, so they can only fly choppers. So the people who want them can't use them and the ones who have them don't want them.
我那位在空军服役的姐夫,是这么给我解释 A-10 攻击机的:虽说 A-10 的飞行员们个个对它钟爱有加,但空军司令部其实压根没搞懂什么是近距离空中支援。
所以他们总想换些更昂贵的新装备,还觉得这些新家伙能顶上 A-10 的用场。海军陆战队倒是巴不得能装备这款战机
前提是它能从舰艇上起飞,为两栖登陆作战提供支援。
海军理论上也能用 A-10,可同样得满足舰载起降的条件,而且海军更愿意把航母甲板的空间留给其他机型
陆军则受限于相关规定,不能使用固定翼飞机,只能靠直升机执行任务。这么一来就陷入了怪圈:
想要装备 A-10 的部队,根本用不了它;而手里握着 A-10 的部队,却压根不想要它。
@jaredray7034
You know, the weird thing is that the A-10 would be ideal for flying off of carriers, due to its wide wingspan. Not designed for the purpose, but I imagine an engineer could adapt it.
Never going to happen though. The Navy doesn’t like single role aircraft anymore.
你知道吗,有意思的是,就凭翼展宽大这一点,A-10 攻击机其实特别适合舰载起降。它当初设计时虽没考虑这个用途,但我觉得工程师应该能对它进行改装适配。
只不过这事压根不可能实现。如今海军早就不待见单一用途的战机了。
@whoopsiedoodle9001
Sky warden AKA meat crop duster
空中卫士 —— 又名 “人肉农药喷洒机”
@old_arsed_eldergoth
Army Desert Storm Vet here- the A10 will always have a special place in my heart. They aren't the prettiest bird in the sky, but you definitely felt better seeing them in the sky, knowing they were a kind of guardian angel. Legendary airplane, which will never truly be replaced IMHO
我是参加过 “沙漠风暴” 行动的陆军老兵 ——A-10 攻击机在我心中,永远有着特殊的地位。
它算不上是天空中最亮眼的战机,但只要看到它翱翔天际,你就会油然而生一种踏实感,因为你知道,它就像一位守护天使。在我看来,这是一架传奇战机,永远无可替代。
@ArmoredAnubis
I’ll admit I might have a little A-10 bias but retiring it makes zero sense when you look at real world use. A forward based A-10 patrol costs around 1.5 to 1.7 million per month and can intercept multiple boats per sortie. Do the same thing with MQ-9s using Hellfires and you’re easily at 27 million plus per month just in missiles. Drones are great for precision strikes, but for persistent patrol, surveillance, and high volume interdiction, the A-10 is cheaper, more flexible, and better suited. Retiring it isn’t modernization, it’s throwing money away.
我承认我可能对 A-10 有点偏爱,但从实战应用角度来看,让它退役完全是毫无道理的。
一架前沿部署的 A-10 攻击机,每月巡逻成本大约在 150 万至 170 万美元之间,而且每次出动还能拦截多艘船只。
要是换成 MQ-9 无人机挂载 “地狱火” 导弹执行同样任务,单是导弹的开销,每月就轻松突破 2700 万美元。
无人机确实很适合执行精准打击任务,但在持续巡逻、侦察监视以及大规模拦截任务上,A-10 的成本更低、机动性更强,也更能胜任。
让它退役根本算不上什么现代化升级,纯粹是在浪费钱。
@AutoBrawn
I've only ever seen the A10s at airshows and have never heard the cannon in person. But to hear those GE turbofan engines and watch them do their attack runs was one of the coolest things I ever saw at an airshow. Plus being able to get up close to them and actually touch the 30mm, just awesome
我只在航展上见过 A-10 攻击机,从没亲耳听过它机炮开火的声响。但光是听到那涡扇发动机的轰鸣,再看着它完成一连串攻击突防动作,就已经是我在航展上见过的最震撼的场面之一了。
更何况还能近距离走近它,亲手触摸那门 30 毫米机炮 —— 简直太酷了!
@natsune09
As a veteran of Iraq, Its a huge morale boost. I've seen Kiowas and A10s do gun runs. Nothing makes you feel like going into a beast mode like an A10 raining death on the enemy. They can drop JDAMs. A JDAM coming down is fucking scary, of course we were way too fucking close. But I guess any plane can drop one. Me and the squad leader were standing out of the turret of our Bradley because they were going to drop one on a house that was so full of IED making shit and probably booby trapped. We thought we were far enough away. But debris flying past us made us look at eachother and both going "OH SHIT" at the same time and dropping back in. There is something really important about a plane that can take so much abuse like the A10 can. Which isn't so much for SAM or Air to Air weapons but for small arms fire from their role as close ground support. Yeah, it can be done with a heli, but the A10 can loiter longer and re-arm and reengage far quicker than a heli. Drones are great, and their role is going to expand in the future. But drones can be jammed, and the ones that are jam resistant are connected with fiber optic, which limits the range. Also, drones aren't good at determining who is and isn't a legitimate target. So they run the risk of killing non-combatants as we saw with Obama's use in hunting down terrorists.
作为一名曾在伊拉克服役的老兵,(看到 A-10)真的能极大提振士气。我见过直升机和 A-10 攻击机实施火力扫射。A-10 朝着敌军倾泻火力的场面,能让你瞬间热血上头。
它还能投掷联合直接攻击弹药。说实话,看着弹药落下确实他妈的太吓人了。当然,那时候我们离得太他妈近了。
那会儿,我和班长正站在布莱德利步兵战车的炮塔外,因为战机准备轰炸一栋房屋,里面堆满了制作简易爆炸装置的材料,而且多半还设了诡雷。
我们本以为自己站的位置足够安全,可当爆炸碎片从身旁呼啸而过时,我俩对视一眼,同时爆了句 “我靠”,立马缩回了炮塔里。
A-10 有个极为关键的优势,就是它的抗毁伤能力极强。这种强悍并非为了抵御地对空导弹或空对空武器,
而是适配它近距离对地支援的作战定位,专门用来防御轻武器的射击。
当然,直升机也能执行这类任务,但 A-10 的滞空时间更长,而且重装弹药、重返战场的速度,远比直升机快得多。
无人机确实很出色,未来的作战用途也会越来越广。但无人机存在被干扰的风险,就算是抗干扰型号,也得靠光纤传输信号,这就大大限制了它的作战半径。
此外,无人机在判别目标是否具有合法打击资格方面,能力也欠佳。就像奥巴马执政时期美军用无人机猎杀恐怖分子那样,无人机很容易造成误伤平民的风险。
@jayffemt
There was a joke going around after the first time they tried to retire the hog. The Air Force said they no longer wanted the A-10. The Army said they'd take them and the A-10 pilots and ground crew could become part of the Army. The Air Force personnel were horrified at the thought of joining the Army and the Air Force kept the A-10.
美军第一次试图让 “疣猪” 退役后,军中就流传起一个段子:空军称他们再也不想要 A-10 攻击机了,
陆军立刻表示愿意接手这批战机,而且还能接纳 A-10 的飞行员和地勤人员加入陆军序列。
可空军的人一想到要转去陆军,个个都吓得不行,最后空军只好继续留用 A-10。
@johnwiles4391
Disallowing the Army from having fixed wing aircraft was always a dumb decision. The Air Force, since its inception in 1947, has always disdained close air support missions (eww, we might get our fingernails dirty!). Let the Air Force have the air superiority mission and the strategic bombing mission (which is all the Air Force really wants anyway) and let the Army have the A-10. Marines too, if they want it!
禁止陆军装备固定翼飞机,从来都是个荒唐透顶的决定。
空军自 1947 年成立以来,就一直不屑于执行近距离空中支援任务(哼,这活儿简直脏了咱们的手!)。
不如就让空军专心负责争夺制空权和战略轰炸任务
反正这两项才是空军真正想干的事,把 A-10 攻击机划归陆军得了。海军陆战队要是想要,也尽管拿去!
@colenattermann9464
When the had A-10s stationed in Indiana they occasionally flew over my house as a kid. They also would play games with local fishermen doing mock gun runs on boats in the river. Just hearing those engines brings back fond memories
小时候,印第安纳州还驻扎着 A-10 攻击机部队,那些战机偶尔会从我家上空飞过。
飞行员们还会和当地的渔民玩些 “小游戏”—— 驾机低空掠过河面的渔船,模拟火力扫射的战术动作。如今只要听到那熟悉的发动机轰鸣声,就会勾起我满满的美好回忆。
@RukhWhitefang
The A-10 is not what the media has made it out to be. Its an outdated platform that was designed for an era that doesn't exist anymore. Its ground attack record is completely outpaced by the F16.
A-10根本不像媒体吹嘘的那样神乎其神。它只是一个过时的平台,是为一个早已不复存在的时代设计的。
在对地攻击的战绩上,它已经被F-16彻底超越了
@Blowinshiddup
As a private, I got to personally witness a strafing pass from a flight of A-10s. We had an old station wagon on the range that was picked out as a target they could expend their ammo on, since they didn't want the hassle of going home loaded after the ex.
It was spectacular.
We later went out and loaded up the remnants BY HAND into the truck, as the car was reduced to pieces.
当时我还只是个大头兵,有幸亲眼目睹了一队A-10进行扫射通场。靶场里有辆旧旅行车被选作了靶子,因为演习结束后飞行员们不想带着弹药返航,太麻烦了,所以把剩下的弹药全倾泻在了那辆车身上。
那场面简直壮观至极。
演习结束后,我们出去善后,徒手把残骸装上卡车——那辆车已经被打成了一堆碎片。
@jamesbeadle9906
It never ceases to amaze me how folks get so rude and acrimonious online simply because the person they are talking to cannot break their nose. Take the risk of threat away from a conversation and the true character of a person is demonstrated very quickly. Love or hate the A-10, it has preformed admirably for the US military for decades and will remain beloved by most Americans for the role it has played in force projection and as a symbol of military battlefield might.
我总是会惊叹于有些人在网上的言行竟会如此粗鲁刻薄 —— 究其原因,不过是他们知道对方根本没法当面教训自己。
一旦言语交锋中没了现实冲突的风险,一个人的真实品性便会暴露无遗。
无论你对 A-10 攻击机是爱还是恨,数十年来它都在美军的序列里有着出色的表现;
凭借其在武力投射中发挥的作用,以及作为在战场上威慑力象征的地位,它也会一直被大多数美国人所钟爱。
@BlueMax717
Make no mistake, the Airforce wants to get rid of this plane because it's cheap. It's a lot harder to inflate your budget for unnecessary funds with cheap airplanes on your books.
别搞错了,空军之所以一心想淘汰这款战机,根源就是它造价低廉。账面上摆着这种低成本装备,想把预算往虚里吹、套取不必要经费的难度,可就大大增加了。
@mthlaxer
My home state Maryland, operated a fleet of them with their Air National Guard. Unfortunately, ours were all retired in the fall of this year (2025). However the last one was flown to Hagerstown to be displayed in a small museum at the factory where they were made. I will miss seeing them randomly flying around my state
我老家马里兰州的空军国民警卫队,曾装备过一支 A-10 攻击机编队。
遗憾的是,这批战机在今年(2025 年)秋天全部退役了。
不过,最后一架战机被运往黑格斯敦,陈列在了当初制造它们的工厂旧址改建的小型博物馆里。以后再也看不到这些战机在我家乡的上空随意盘旋了,真挺怀念的。
Desert Storm infantry vet here, 5th Cavalry regiment, 1st Cavalry Division. We watched 4 A-10's completely decimate a battalion of Iraqi armor on our push through southern Iraq. When the A-10's left the AO, what was left of that battalion did nothing but surrender. I never fired a shot, never got shot at. I will always love my angel, the Warthog.
我是参加过 “沙漠风暴” 行动的老兵,隶属第一骑兵师第五骑兵团。在向伊拉克南部推进的途中,我们亲眼目睹四架 A-10 攻击机将一支伊拉克装甲营彻底击溃。
当 A-10 编队飞离任务区域后,那支装甲营的残部除了投降别无他法。我全程一枪未发,也没遭到任何射击。我会永远钟爱我的 “天使”—— 这头 “疣猪”。
@manm4096
first thank you for your service, I never got past Jrotc do to an injury. I have lost friends and family of friends from desert storm. I have been in love with our military in all they do for our country, I do help out behind the scene... and the A-10 warthog is 1 of the greatest combat fighters of all time.
首先,感谢你的奉献。我曾因一次伤病,没能完成初级预备役军官训练团的学业。我有几位亲友和朋友的家人,都在 “沙漠风暴” 行动中丧生。
我一直崇敬着我们的军队,感念他们为国家所做的一切。我也在幕后尽自己的一份力…… A-10 “疣猪” 攻击机,无疑是有史以来最顶尖的作战机型之一。
@weshoward1984
I’m alive because of the A-10, and there are probably millions of Vets and ADM members who have similar experiences as mine, so to say that I am biased is an understatement to say the least… do I have absolute faith that there is something that could equally replace the Warthog? Yes, but new technology and machinery does not have existing legendary status carrying with it lore and history that would imminently drive fear into the hardest of soldiers… and as much as I love technology and advanced weaponry, there will never be another A-10 Warthog! Thank You dear friend and savior! I will be forever indebted to your service! Semper Fidelis!!
我能活下来,全靠 A-10 攻击机。或许有成千上万的退伍老兵和现役军人,都有着和我相似的经历。所以,如果说我对它有偏爱,那简直是轻描淡写! 我是否坚信,有某种装备能完全取代这头 “疣猪”?
答案是肯定的。但新技术、新装备,终究不具备它现有的传奇地位,也没有那些足以让最勇猛的战士都闻风丧胆的传奇故事与历史积淀
尽管我同样热爱科技与先进武器装备,但这世上,绝不会再有第二款 A-10 “疣猪”!谢谢你,我亲爱的战友与救世主!你的守护之恩,我永生难忘!永远忠诚!
@stevesmith6385
I've told you a million times to not exaggerate. Legendary status is meaningless bulllshit
我说过无数遍了,别夸大其词。所谓的传奇地位,根本就是毫无意义的废话。
@weshoward1984
@stevesmith6385 That meaningless bullshit saved me and 12 other Marines from an otherwise likely death I wouldn't wish on anyone...the previous day this particular group of "Taliban" had ambushed a med transport, captured them, then recorded torturing and killing them and gave the video to US journalists... so that's why we were there, to neutralize this particular group, shockingly though the intel was inaccurate and they had far more soldiers than the 20 originally reported... And we ended up essentially falling into their trap by doing exactly what they wanted us to do... as with almost any mission we had 3 POA's and when we called in air support all available drones in the area were otherwise engaged but luckily for us a meaningless aircraft was 5 minutes away and no matter what your worthless opinions are about the aircraft this Warthog absolutely had a LEGENDARY PILOT behind the stick and we all made it home to our families that day while simultaneously making sure the enemy did not not... so I will continue to exaggerate about this worthless outdated piece of shit aircraft because I can, and deservedly so.
你口中那毫无意义的破烂玩意儿,救了我和另外 12 名海军陆战队员的命 —— 不然我们十有八九会惨死,那是我连想都不愿想的结局。
就在前一天,这伙所谓的 “塔利班” 武装伏击了一支医疗运输队,不仅俘虏了队员,还拍摄下了虐杀他们的视频,将其交给了美国记者。我们此行的目的,就是为了剿灭这股武装。
可令人震惊的是,情报严重失实,对方的兵力远超最初报告的 20 人。最终,我们完全落入了他们设下的圈套,我们的一举一动都正中其下怀。
和几乎所有任务一样,我们当时制定了三套行动计划。在请求空中支援时,该区域所有可调用的无人机都在执行其他任务。
但万幸的是,有一架在你看来 “毫无价值” 的战机,当时距离我们仅有 5 分钟的航程。
不管你对这架战机抱有多么大的偏见,但操控它的飞行员绝对是技艺超群的传奇人物。那天,我们全员都活着回到了家人身边,而那群敌人,则被尽数歼灭。
所以,我会继续为这架在你眼中 “一无是处、早已过时的破烂” 大书特书
因为我有这个资格,而且我理应这么做
@Yeet42069
@weshoward1984 No. What saved you and 12 other marines is CAS in an era where you weren't swarmed by drones. The a10 in a modern conflict is nothing more than a drone magnet.
I agree with not scrapping it because it can still be useful in some conflict somewhere and it can certainly save lives there. But it is very much outdated and to be replaced for modern engagements.
不是的。救了你和另外 12 名海军陆战队员的,是近距离空中支援体系
你们当时所处的时代,还没有被无人机遍地的局面所笼罩。在现代化冲突中,A-10 攻击机不过就是个不折不扣的 “无人机靶机”。
@jamesmichael3609
My job in the Army was a lowly driver. Our favorite vehicle was an OD Green Checker. When you turned the key, it cranked. When you stepped on the brake it stopped. When you stepped on the accelerator, it sped up. I'm told that same trait is why the Warthog is loved.
我在部队里的职务只是个不起眼的驾驶员。我们那会儿最喜欢的座驾,是一辆军绿色的美式敞篷吉普车。
拧下钥匙,它就能启动;踩下刹车,它就会停下;一脚油门下去,它便能提速。我听人说,“疣猪”(A-10 攻击机)之所以这么受追捧,靠的也是这般可靠耐用的特质。
@BstrdDoc
Army medic assigned to an infantry platoon here. The A10 is easily the most beautiful sight you can see when you’re pinned down. That BRRRRRRT is the greatest sound I’ve ever heard and yes it’s 100% possible to get hard from just a sound.
我曾是一名配属步兵排的陆军医生
当你被火力压制、动弹不得时,A-10 攻击机绝对是你能看到的最美景象。
那阵标志性的 “哒哒哒哒” 扫射声,是我听过最动听的声音 —— 没错,单是这声响,就足以让人热血沸腾。
@Dominator248
Given how Russia still loves to run convoys I’d say the A10s favorite meal is still on the menu
鉴于俄罗斯到现在还热衷于派出地面车队,依我看,A-10最钟爱的‘大餐’可还一直在‘菜单’上呢!
@KMCA779
That sounds intentional... in all honesty the A-10 is ANCIENT and ignoring cost effectiveness drones seem to have taken over the role.
Hell ask Afghans or Iraqies how they feel about drones loitering overhead.
On the ground I bet the A-10 has a much greater moral effect than any drone though.
这话听着像是故意的,但说实话,A-10 攻击机早就老旧不堪了。抛开机效成本不谈,无人机显然已经接手了它的作战职能。
去问问阿富汗人或者伊拉克人,当头顶上有无人机盘旋时他们是什么感觉。
不过我敢说,在战场上A-10 攻击机带来的心理威慑效果,远比任何一款无人机都要强烈。
@Tential1
Everything they want to do is to fight a Chinese army, fully kitted in the best gear. They're planning for scenarios that don't exist. We don't need a new rifle that shoots out to 800 yards. Idiot, I won't know to look there, because most humans can't make other other humans at distance, especially if they don't want to be seen.
他们一心想做的,就是和一支全副武装、装备精良的中国军队开战
我们根本不需要一支能打到800码远的新步枪。这简直是蠢货的想法,因为在那个距离上我根本不知道该往哪儿看
因为大多数人在那么远的距离上根本发现不了敌人
尤其是当对方刻意隐蔽的时候。
@bentogel
the only plane to replace the A-10 is another A-10
能取代A-10的,只有另一架A-10
@ruenin74
I watched a pair of A-10s doing maneuvers over Maryland about 30 years ago. I was mesmerized watching them climb into the clouds and dive back out somewhere else. It was really cool.
大约30年前,我在马里兰州上空看到两架A-10正在进行特技飞行。我目不转睛地看着它们爬升钻入云层,然后又在别处俯冲而出。那场面真是酷毙了
@kensounds5177
my airforce brother in law explained the A10 to me this way ; while A10 pilots might love them the AF command doesn't really understand close air support, so they want a more expensive toy they think can do the same job. the Marines would love to have it IF they could fly them off of a ship to support amphibious landings. the Navy could use them IF they could operate off of a ship , but they would rather use their carrier deck space for other planes. The Army are restricted from using fixed wing aircraft, so they can only fly choppers. So the people who want them can't use them and the ones who have them don't want them.
我那位在空军服役的姐夫,是这么给我解释 A-10 攻击机的:虽说 A-10 的飞行员们个个对它钟爱有加,但空军司令部其实压根没搞懂什么是近距离空中支援。
所以他们总想换些更昂贵的新装备,还觉得这些新家伙能顶上 A-10 的用场。海军陆战队倒是巴不得能装备这款战机
前提是它能从舰艇上起飞,为两栖登陆作战提供支援。
海军理论上也能用 A-10,可同样得满足舰载起降的条件,而且海军更愿意把航母甲板的空间留给其他机型
陆军则受限于相关规定,不能使用固定翼飞机,只能靠直升机执行任务。这么一来就陷入了怪圈:
想要装备 A-10 的部队,根本用不了它;而手里握着 A-10 的部队,却压根不想要它。
@jaredray7034
You know, the weird thing is that the A-10 would be ideal for flying off of carriers, due to its wide wingspan. Not designed for the purpose, but I imagine an engineer could adapt it.
Never going to happen though. The Navy doesn’t like single role aircraft anymore.
你知道吗,有意思的是,就凭翼展宽大这一点,A-10 攻击机其实特别适合舰载起降。它当初设计时虽没考虑这个用途,但我觉得工程师应该能对它进行改装适配。
只不过这事压根不可能实现。如今海军早就不待见单一用途的战机了。
@whoopsiedoodle9001
Sky warden AKA meat crop duster
空中卫士 —— 又名 “人肉农药喷洒机”
@old_arsed_eldergoth
Army Desert Storm Vet here- the A10 will always have a special place in my heart. They aren't the prettiest bird in the sky, but you definitely felt better seeing them in the sky, knowing they were a kind of guardian angel. Legendary airplane, which will never truly be replaced IMHO
我是参加过 “沙漠风暴” 行动的陆军老兵 ——A-10 攻击机在我心中,永远有着特殊的地位。
它算不上是天空中最亮眼的战机,但只要看到它翱翔天际,你就会油然而生一种踏实感,因为你知道,它就像一位守护天使。在我看来,这是一架传奇战机,永远无可替代。
@ArmoredAnubis
I’ll admit I might have a little A-10 bias but retiring it makes zero sense when you look at real world use. A forward based A-10 patrol costs around 1.5 to 1.7 million per month and can intercept multiple boats per sortie. Do the same thing with MQ-9s using Hellfires and you’re easily at 27 million plus per month just in missiles. Drones are great for precision strikes, but for persistent patrol, surveillance, and high volume interdiction, the A-10 is cheaper, more flexible, and better suited. Retiring it isn’t modernization, it’s throwing money away.
我承认我可能对 A-10 有点偏爱,但从实战应用角度来看,让它退役完全是毫无道理的。
一架前沿部署的 A-10 攻击机,每月巡逻成本大约在 150 万至 170 万美元之间,而且每次出动还能拦截多艘船只。
要是换成 MQ-9 无人机挂载 “地狱火” 导弹执行同样任务,单是导弹的开销,每月就轻松突破 2700 万美元。
无人机确实很适合执行精准打击任务,但在持续巡逻、侦察监视以及大规模拦截任务上,A-10 的成本更低、机动性更强,也更能胜任。
让它退役根本算不上什么现代化升级,纯粹是在浪费钱。
@AutoBrawn
I've only ever seen the A10s at airshows and have never heard the cannon in person. But to hear those GE turbofan engines and watch them do their attack runs was one of the coolest things I ever saw at an airshow. Plus being able to get up close to them and actually touch the 30mm, just awesome
我只在航展上见过 A-10 攻击机,从没亲耳听过它机炮开火的声响。但光是听到那涡扇发动机的轰鸣,再看着它完成一连串攻击突防动作,就已经是我在航展上见过的最震撼的场面之一了。
更何况还能近距离走近它,亲手触摸那门 30 毫米机炮 —— 简直太酷了!
@natsune09
As a veteran of Iraq, Its a huge morale boost. I've seen Kiowas and A10s do gun runs. Nothing makes you feel like going into a beast mode like an A10 raining death on the enemy. They can drop JDAMs. A JDAM coming down is fucking scary, of course we were way too fucking close. But I guess any plane can drop one. Me and the squad leader were standing out of the turret of our Bradley because they were going to drop one on a house that was so full of IED making shit and probably booby trapped. We thought we were far enough away. But debris flying past us made us look at eachother and both going "OH SHIT" at the same time and dropping back in. There is something really important about a plane that can take so much abuse like the A10 can. Which isn't so much for SAM or Air to Air weapons but for small arms fire from their role as close ground support. Yeah, it can be done with a heli, but the A10 can loiter longer and re-arm and reengage far quicker than a heli. Drones are great, and their role is going to expand in the future. But drones can be jammed, and the ones that are jam resistant are connected with fiber optic, which limits the range. Also, drones aren't good at determining who is and isn't a legitimate target. So they run the risk of killing non-combatants as we saw with Obama's use in hunting down terrorists.
作为一名曾在伊拉克服役的老兵,(看到 A-10)真的能极大提振士气。我见过直升机和 A-10 攻击机实施火力扫射。A-10 朝着敌军倾泻火力的场面,能让你瞬间热血上头。
它还能投掷联合直接攻击弹药。说实话,看着弹药落下确实他妈的太吓人了。当然,那时候我们离得太他妈近了。
那会儿,我和班长正站在布莱德利步兵战车的炮塔外,因为战机准备轰炸一栋房屋,里面堆满了制作简易爆炸装置的材料,而且多半还设了诡雷。
我们本以为自己站的位置足够安全,可当爆炸碎片从身旁呼啸而过时,我俩对视一眼,同时爆了句 “我靠”,立马缩回了炮塔里。
A-10 有个极为关键的优势,就是它的抗毁伤能力极强。这种强悍并非为了抵御地对空导弹或空对空武器,
而是适配它近距离对地支援的作战定位,专门用来防御轻武器的射击。
当然,直升机也能执行这类任务,但 A-10 的滞空时间更长,而且重装弹药、重返战场的速度,远比直升机快得多。
无人机确实很出色,未来的作战用途也会越来越广。但无人机存在被干扰的风险,就算是抗干扰型号,也得靠光纤传输信号,这就大大限制了它的作战半径。
此外,无人机在判别目标是否具有合法打击资格方面,能力也欠佳。就像奥巴马执政时期美军用无人机猎杀恐怖分子那样,无人机很容易造成误伤平民的风险。
@jayffemt
There was a joke going around after the first time they tried to retire the hog. The Air Force said they no longer wanted the A-10. The Army said they'd take them and the A-10 pilots and ground crew could become part of the Army. The Air Force personnel were horrified at the thought of joining the Army and the Air Force kept the A-10.
美军第一次试图让 “疣猪” 退役后,军中就流传起一个段子:空军称他们再也不想要 A-10 攻击机了,
陆军立刻表示愿意接手这批战机,而且还能接纳 A-10 的飞行员和地勤人员加入陆军序列。
可空军的人一想到要转去陆军,个个都吓得不行,最后空军只好继续留用 A-10。
@johnwiles4391
Disallowing the Army from having fixed wing aircraft was always a dumb decision. The Air Force, since its inception in 1947, has always disdained close air support missions (eww, we might get our fingernails dirty!). Let the Air Force have the air superiority mission and the strategic bombing mission (which is all the Air Force really wants anyway) and let the Army have the A-10. Marines too, if they want it!
禁止陆军装备固定翼飞机,从来都是个荒唐透顶的决定。
空军自 1947 年成立以来,就一直不屑于执行近距离空中支援任务(哼,这活儿简直脏了咱们的手!)。
不如就让空军专心负责争夺制空权和战略轰炸任务
反正这两项才是空军真正想干的事,把 A-10 攻击机划归陆军得了。海军陆战队要是想要,也尽管拿去!
@colenattermann9464
When the had A-10s stationed in Indiana they occasionally flew over my house as a kid. They also would play games with local fishermen doing mock gun runs on boats in the river. Just hearing those engines brings back fond memories
小时候,印第安纳州还驻扎着 A-10 攻击机部队,那些战机偶尔会从我家上空飞过。
飞行员们还会和当地的渔民玩些 “小游戏”—— 驾机低空掠过河面的渔船,模拟火力扫射的战术动作。如今只要听到那熟悉的发动机轰鸣声,就会勾起我满满的美好回忆。
@RukhWhitefang
The A-10 is not what the media has made it out to be. Its an outdated platform that was designed for an era that doesn't exist anymore. Its ground attack record is completely outpaced by the F16.
A-10根本不像媒体吹嘘的那样神乎其神。它只是一个过时的平台,是为一个早已不复存在的时代设计的。
在对地攻击的战绩上,它已经被F-16彻底超越了
@Blowinshiddup
As a private, I got to personally witness a strafing pass from a flight of A-10s. We had an old station wagon on the range that was picked out as a target they could expend their ammo on, since they didn't want the hassle of going home loaded after the ex.
It was spectacular.
We later went out and loaded up the remnants BY HAND into the truck, as the car was reduced to pieces.
当时我还只是个大头兵,有幸亲眼目睹了一队A-10进行扫射通场。靶场里有辆旧旅行车被选作了靶子,因为演习结束后飞行员们不想带着弹药返航,太麻烦了,所以把剩下的弹药全倾泻在了那辆车身上。
那场面简直壮观至极。
演习结束后,我们出去善后,徒手把残骸装上卡车——那辆车已经被打成了一堆碎片。
@jamesbeadle9906
It never ceases to amaze me how folks get so rude and acrimonious online simply because the person they are talking to cannot break their nose. Take the risk of threat away from a conversation and the true character of a person is demonstrated very quickly. Love or hate the A-10, it has preformed admirably for the US military for decades and will remain beloved by most Americans for the role it has played in force projection and as a symbol of military battlefield might.
我总是会惊叹于有些人在网上的言行竟会如此粗鲁刻薄 —— 究其原因,不过是他们知道对方根本没法当面教训自己。
一旦言语交锋中没了现实冲突的风险,一个人的真实品性便会暴露无遗。
无论你对 A-10 攻击机是爱还是恨,数十年来它都在美军的序列里有着出色的表现;
凭借其在武力投射中发挥的作用,以及作为在战场上威慑力象征的地位,它也会一直被大多数美国人所钟爱。
@BlueMax717
Make no mistake, the Airforce wants to get rid of this plane because it's cheap. It's a lot harder to inflate your budget for unnecessary funds with cheap airplanes on your books.
别搞错了,空军之所以一心想淘汰这款战机,根源就是它造价低廉。账面上摆着这种低成本装备,想把预算往虚里吹、套取不必要经费的难度,可就大大增加了。
@mthlaxer
My home state Maryland, operated a fleet of them with their Air National Guard. Unfortunately, ours were all retired in the fall of this year (2025). However the last one was flown to Hagerstown to be displayed in a small museum at the factory where they were made. I will miss seeing them randomly flying around my state
我老家马里兰州的空军国民警卫队,曾装备过一支 A-10 攻击机编队。
遗憾的是,这批战机在今年(2025 年)秋天全部退役了。
不过,最后一架战机被运往黑格斯敦,陈列在了当初制造它们的工厂旧址改建的小型博物馆里。以后再也看不到这些战机在我家乡的上空随意盘旋了,真挺怀念的。
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