QA讨论:为什么印度没有成为智能手机制造中心,即使印度拥有最好的软件工程师?
正文翻译
Why doesn't India become a smartphone manufacturing hub even though India has the best software engineers?
为什么印度没有成为智能手机制造中心,即使印度拥有最好的软件工程师?
Why doesn't India become a smartphone manufacturing hub even though India has the best software engineers?
为什么印度没有成为智能手机制造中心,即使印度拥有最好的软件工程师?
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Manmeet Raj, Digital Marketer
Why Can’t We Manufacture Mobile Phones in India?
“Chinaa is a shitty country and we need to ban all Chinese products. We anyway manufacture mobile phones in India,” a person said while typing on a Redmi smartphone.
Just because it was written on his smartphone that it is ‘Made in India’, is it really made in India?
Here is a trick.
None of the smartphones is manufactured in India but they are assembled in India. All the spare parts come from China, Taiwan, South Korea, the USA, and several other countries.
Some companies import those parts to India and assemble here to get some tax benefits from the Government.
为什么我们不能在印度生产手机?
“中国是个不好的国家,我们需要禁止所有中国产品,反正我们有印度生产的手机可以用。”一个人用红米智能手机在网上如是说。
就因为他的智能手机上写着“印度制造”,但它真的是印度制造吗?
这里有一个技巧。
这些智能手机都不是印度制造的,但都是在印度组装的。所有零部件均来自中国、台湾(地区)、韩国、美国和其他几个国家。
一些公司将这些部件进口到印度,然后在这里组装,以获得印度政府的一些税收优惠。
Why Can’t We Manufacture Mobile Phones in India?
“Chinaa is a shitty country and we need to ban all Chinese products. We anyway manufacture mobile phones in India,” a person said while typing on a Redmi smartphone.
Just because it was written on his smartphone that it is ‘Made in India’, is it really made in India?
Here is a trick.
None of the smartphones is manufactured in India but they are assembled in India. All the spare parts come from China, Taiwan, South Korea, the USA, and several other countries.
Some companies import those parts to India and assemble here to get some tax benefits from the Government.
为什么我们不能在印度生产手机?
“中国是个不好的国家,我们需要禁止所有中国产品,反正我们有印度生产的手机可以用。”一个人用红米智能手机在网上如是说。
就因为他的智能手机上写着“印度制造”,但它真的是印度制造吗?
这里有一个技巧。
这些智能手机都不是印度制造的,但都是在印度组装的。所有零部件均来自中国、台湾(地区)、韩国、美国和其他几个国家。
一些公司将这些部件进口到印度,然后在这里组装,以获得印度政府的一些税收优惠。
Challenges to Manufacture Mobile Phones in India
Let’s admit – India is a software country and not a hardware country.
You might find the best Engineers of the world in India with the sharpest brains but we actually suck in manufacturing things.
Multiple reasons – high expenses, unavailability of resources, lack of infrastructure. Above all, cheaper and better Chinese products.
Chips
Chips are required for literally everything in your smartphone – processors, microphone, speaker, antenna, etc. Basically, everything that has a circuit board.
Chips are made from sand and we have abundant sand, right?
Probably yes but we lack resources that take sand to turn into a chip.
I’d recommend you watch this video for a clear understanding. It explains the journey from sand to electronic chips.
在印度制造手机面临的挑战:
让我们承认,印度是一个软件制造国家,而不是一个硬件制造国家。
你可能会在印度找到世界上最优秀的工程师和最聪明的头脑,但我们实际上在制造业方面的发展很吃力。
原因是多方面的——高昂的制造成本,缺乏资源,缺乏基础设施。最重要的是,更便宜更好的中国产品。
芯片:
你的智能手机中几乎所有的东西的运转都需要芯片的操控——处理器、麦克风、扬声器、天线等等。基本上包括所有有电路板的东西。
芯片是用沙子做的,我们有大量的沙子,对吧?
可能是的,但我们缺乏把沙子变成芯片的能力。
我建议你看一下这个视频来清楚地理解这一切。它展示了将沙子变成电子芯片的过程。
Let’s admit – India is a software country and not a hardware country.
You might find the best Engineers of the world in India with the sharpest brains but we actually suck in manufacturing things.
Multiple reasons – high expenses, unavailability of resources, lack of infrastructure. Above all, cheaper and better Chinese products.
Chips
Chips are required for literally everything in your smartphone – processors, microphone, speaker, antenna, etc. Basically, everything that has a circuit board.
Chips are made from sand and we have abundant sand, right?
Probably yes but we lack resources that take sand to turn into a chip.
I’d recommend you watch this video for a clear understanding. It explains the journey from sand to electronic chips.
在印度制造手机面临的挑战:
让我们承认,印度是一个软件制造国家,而不是一个硬件制造国家。
你可能会在印度找到世界上最优秀的工程师和最聪明的头脑,但我们实际上在制造业方面的发展很吃力。
原因是多方面的——高昂的制造成本,缺乏资源,缺乏基础设施。最重要的是,更便宜更好的中国产品。
芯片:
你的智能手机中几乎所有的东西的运转都需要芯片的操控——处理器、麦克风、扬声器、天线等等。基本上包括所有有电路板的东西。
芯片是用沙子做的,我们有大量的沙子,对吧?
可能是的,但我们缺乏把沙子变成芯片的能力。
我建议你看一下这个视频来清楚地理解这一切。它展示了将沙子变成电子芯片的过程。
Summing up the Stages: Sand > Silicon Ingot > Wafers > Lithography > Chips
And Lithography is the stage where we get a massive blow. We can’t do that.
Do you know why?
Because of this beast.
A typical Extreme Ultraviolet Lithography machine costs more than $120 Million that equals to Rupees 9,01,80,00,000!
How many such machines is India having right now? Zero.
China has more than 350 of them.
Even if we buy 2-3, it is not sufficient for Indian demand provided that all companies will use it.
Eventually, it is cheaper to import products than to buy that machine and use it.
I personally feel that it is not even necessary for the Indian Government or any business to buy that machine because it is not worth.
Reason? Climate Conditions of India are simply not favorable for manufacturing the Electronic parts.
总结下这个过程的各阶段: 砂 > 硅锭 > 晶片 > 光刻 > 芯片
光刻是我们受到巨大打击的一个阶段。我们没有能力实现它。
你知道为什么吗?
因为这只野兽。
一台普通的极紫外线光刻机的售价超过1.2亿美元,相当于91080万卢比!
印度现在有多少这样的机器? 零台。
中国有350多台。
即使我们购买2-3台,也不足以满足印度的需求,前提还是所有印度公司都愿意使用它。
最终的现实是,进口来的产品比购买机器然后在本土制造的更便宜。
我个人认为,印度政府或任何企业都没有必要购买这种机器,因为它毫无价值。
原因是什么呢? 印度的气候条件根本不适合制造电子零件。
And Lithography is the stage where we get a massive blow. We can’t do that.
Do you know why?
Because of this beast.
A typical Extreme Ultraviolet Lithography machine costs more than $120 Million that equals to Rupees 9,01,80,00,000!
How many such machines is India having right now? Zero.
China has more than 350 of them.
Even if we buy 2-3, it is not sufficient for Indian demand provided that all companies will use it.
Eventually, it is cheaper to import products than to buy that machine and use it.
I personally feel that it is not even necessary for the Indian Government or any business to buy that machine because it is not worth.
Reason? Climate Conditions of India are simply not favorable for manufacturing the Electronic parts.
总结下这个过程的各阶段: 砂 > 硅锭 > 晶片 > 光刻 > 芯片
光刻是我们受到巨大打击的一个阶段。我们没有能力实现它。
你知道为什么吗?
因为这只野兽。
一台普通的极紫外线光刻机的售价超过1.2亿美元,相当于91080万卢比!
印度现在有多少这样的机器? 零台。
中国有350多台。
即使我们购买2-3台,也不足以满足印度的需求,前提还是所有印度公司都愿意使用它。
最终的现实是,进口来的产品比购买机器然后在本土制造的更便宜。
我个人认为,印度政府或任何企业都没有必要购买这种机器,因为它毫无价值。
原因是什么呢? 印度的气候条件根本不适合制造电子零件。
Bengaluru is the only startup hub in India because it is the only city that is slightly favorable for electronics.
When it comes to manufacturing such fine parts, temperature and humidity can substantially affect productivity.
Display Panels
A display is the only component in a smartphone that doesn’t require a chip. It’s made purely from glass or plastic.
The best quality of display panels come from Samsung. Even Apple iPhones have display panels made by Samsung.
According to Samsung, the majority of its display manufacturing takes place in South Korea, China, and Taiwan.
However, Samsung built its factory in Noida, Uttar Pradesh which is also the largest factory in the world.
So yeah, we can hope that it will soon start making display panels in India.
Other major players include LG, Sharp, Foxconn, etc which make display panels in their respective countries.
Indian companies make display units but they are LCD displays and the quality is not too good. I don’t think you would even like them in your smartphones.
班加罗尔是印度唯一的创业中心,因为它是印度唯一一个对电子产品制造稍微有利的城市。
在制造如此精细的零件时,温度和湿度会极大地影响生产合格率。
显示面板:
显示屏是智能手机中唯一不需要芯片的部件。它完全是由玻璃或塑料制成的。
质量最好的显示屏来自三星。就连苹果的iphone也有使用三星的显示屏。
据三星称,其显示屏的生产主要集中在韩国、中国大陆和台湾。
然而,三星在印度北方邦的诺伊达建立了自己的工厂,这也是世界上最大的显示屏制造工厂。
所以,我们希望它能很快开始在印度生产显示屏。
其他主要厂商包括LG、夏普、富士康等,它们都在各自的国家生产显示屏。
印度公司也生产显示器,但它们是液晶显示屏,质量不是很好。我不认为你会喜欢它们被用在你的智能手机上。
When it comes to manufacturing such fine parts, temperature and humidity can substantially affect productivity.
Display Panels
A display is the only component in a smartphone that doesn’t require a chip. It’s made purely from glass or plastic.
The best quality of display panels come from Samsung. Even Apple iPhones have display panels made by Samsung.
According to Samsung, the majority of its display manufacturing takes place in South Korea, China, and Taiwan.
However, Samsung built its factory in Noida, Uttar Pradesh which is also the largest factory in the world.
So yeah, we can hope that it will soon start making display panels in India.
Other major players include LG, Sharp, Foxconn, etc which make display panels in their respective countries.
Indian companies make display units but they are LCD displays and the quality is not too good. I don’t think you would even like them in your smartphones.
班加罗尔是印度唯一的创业中心,因为它是印度唯一一个对电子产品制造稍微有利的城市。
在制造如此精细的零件时,温度和湿度会极大地影响生产合格率。
显示面板:
显示屏是智能手机中唯一不需要芯片的部件。它完全是由玻璃或塑料制成的。
质量最好的显示屏来自三星。就连苹果的iphone也有使用三星的显示屏。
据三星称,其显示屏的生产主要集中在韩国、中国大陆和台湾。
然而,三星在印度北方邦的诺伊达建立了自己的工厂,这也是世界上最大的显示屏制造工厂。
所以,我们希望它能很快开始在印度生产显示屏。
其他主要厂商包括LG、夏普、富士康等,它们都在各自的国家生产显示屏。
印度公司也生产显示器,但它们是液晶显示屏,质量不是很好。我不认为你会喜欢它们被用在你的智能手机上。
Infrastructure
1. Mass Production
China is vast in terms of population and area. While India is an agricultural country and Agriculture employs 49.9% of the population.
According to the Indian Cellular Association’s report to Business Today, India can only assemble 270 Million smartphones as compared to China which produces 1.1 Billion per year.
Also, China works on economies of scale along with the full-fledged ecosystem.
Let’s understand in easier terms. It’s cheaper to produce and sell 1000 products rather than making and selling a single product. That’s how the wholesale market works.
Skilled labor is way too cheap in China as compared to any other country.
2) Logistics
Another important point to note is that companies are making all the components in China. So logistics becomes cheaper.
Importing 4 different parts and assembling costs higher due to the expenses. India is lacking here.
As a result of mass production and the complete ecosystem at the same place, cost per unit production is the cheapest in China.
基础设施:
1. 大规模生产
就人口和面积而言,中国幅员辽阔。而印度是一个农业国,从事农业生产的人口占了印度总人口的49.9%。
根据印度手机协会给《今日商业》的报告,印度每年只能组装2.7亿部智能手机,而中国每年则生产11亿部。
此外,中国在发展成熟的生态系统的同时,也致力于发展规模经济。
让我们用更简单的术语来理解:生产和销售1000件产品比生产和销售一件产品更便宜,批发市场就是这样运作的。
与其他国家相比,中国的技术劳动力太便宜了。
2)物流
另一个需要注意的重要问题是,智能手机所有的零部件都是在中国生产的。因此,运输它们的物流变得更便宜。
从4个地方进口不同的零件然后进行组装的成本较高。印度在这方面有所欠缺。
由于大规模生产基地和完整的生态系统在同一个地方,所以中国的单位生产成本是最便宜的。
1. Mass Production
China is vast in terms of population and area. While India is an agricultural country and Agriculture employs 49.9% of the population.
According to the Indian Cellular Association’s report to Business Today, India can only assemble 270 Million smartphones as compared to China which produces 1.1 Billion per year.
Also, China works on economies of scale along with the full-fledged ecosystem.
Let’s understand in easier terms. It’s cheaper to produce and sell 1000 products rather than making and selling a single product. That’s how the wholesale market works.
Skilled labor is way too cheap in China as compared to any other country.
2) Logistics
Another important point to note is that companies are making all the components in China. So logistics becomes cheaper.
Importing 4 different parts and assembling costs higher due to the expenses. India is lacking here.
As a result of mass production and the complete ecosystem at the same place, cost per unit production is the cheapest in China.
基础设施:
1. 大规模生产
就人口和面积而言,中国幅员辽阔。而印度是一个农业国,从事农业生产的人口占了印度总人口的49.9%。
根据印度手机协会给《今日商业》的报告,印度每年只能组装2.7亿部智能手机,而中国每年则生产11亿部。
此外,中国在发展成熟的生态系统的同时,也致力于发展规模经济。
让我们用更简单的术语来理解:生产和销售1000件产品比生产和销售一件产品更便宜,批发市场就是这样运作的。
与其他国家相比,中国的技术劳动力太便宜了。
2)物流
另一个需要注意的重要问题是,智能手机所有的零部件都是在中国生产的。因此,运输它们的物流变得更便宜。
从4个地方进口不同的零件然后进行组装的成本较高。印度在这方面有所欠缺。
由于大规模生产基地和完整的生态系统在同一个地方,所以中国的单位生产成本是最便宜的。
3) Cost of Electricity
Currently, the price of electricity in China is 0.077 USD per kWh.
Contrarily, the price of electricity in India is 0.078 USD per kWh.
This might not look a huge difference but when it comes to millions of kWh and that too for a long time, it makes a difference.
Also, Indian Rupee is weaker than the Chinese Yuan in the International market. So, it is more like a loss for India.
4) Incentives and Benefits
China has been welcoming global companies to manufacture in their country by giving several benefits and incentives for a very long time.
India didn’t even talk about ‘Make in India’ until a few years back.
This is where we left behind.
It’s like a student waking up at the last moment to study for an exam the next day. While the topper has been studying since the beginning of the year.
3)电费
目前,中国的电价是0.077美元每千瓦时。
相反,印度的电价是每千瓦时0.078美元。
这看起来可能没有很大的区别,但当涉及到数百万千瓦时的用量时,而且在很长时间内都是这种用量时,这就有区别了。
此外,印度卢比在国际市场上比人民币更弱势。所以,这更像是印度的损失。
4)激励与利益
很长一段时间以来,中国一直通过多项优惠和激励措施,来吸引全球企业来中国制造产品。
直到几年前,印度才开始谈论“印度制造”。
这就是我们落下的地方。
这就像一个学生在最后一刻才醒来为第二天的考试做准备一样。而这位考试第一名从今年年初就开始学习了。
Currently, the price of electricity in China is 0.077 USD per kWh.
Contrarily, the price of electricity in India is 0.078 USD per kWh.
This might not look a huge difference but when it comes to millions of kWh and that too for a long time, it makes a difference.
Also, Indian Rupee is weaker than the Chinese Yuan in the International market. So, it is more like a loss for India.
4) Incentives and Benefits
China has been welcoming global companies to manufacture in their country by giving several benefits and incentives for a very long time.
India didn’t even talk about ‘Make in India’ until a few years back.
This is where we left behind.
It’s like a student waking up at the last moment to study for an exam the next day. While the topper has been studying since the beginning of the year.
3)电费
目前,中国的电价是0.077美元每千瓦时。
相反,印度的电价是每千瓦时0.078美元。
这看起来可能没有很大的区别,但当涉及到数百万千瓦时的用量时,而且在很长时间内都是这种用量时,这就有区别了。
此外,印度卢比在国际市场上比人民币更弱势。所以,这更像是印度的损失。
4)激励与利益
很长一段时间以来,中国一直通过多项优惠和激励措施,来吸引全球企业来中国制造产品。
直到几年前,印度才开始谈论“印度制造”。
这就是我们落下的地方。
这就像一个学生在最后一刻才醒来为第二天的考试做准备一样。而这位考试第一名从今年年初就开始学习了。
Positive Sides Before We Manufacture Mobile Phones in India
With the recent stable conditions, India seems to be getting more global companies. We see more investments these days.
Although we cannot purchase chips, for now, there is still hope for the future. We might do that in the future.
1.Samsung opened its largest factory in Noida, Uttar Pradesh. I have mentioned this above
2.Apple iPhone maker Foxconn has already built its plant in Andhra Pradesh and Tamil Nadu
3.Oppo, Vivo, Realme, Xiaomi and several other brands have their assembly plants in India
I agree with the point that these companies are merely assembling their phones in India but there is still a thin line of hope.
Almost every assembly factory eventually turned into a manufacturing plant.
So, let’s hope that Indian will also soon start producing smartphones and other electronic products in India.
在我们可以在印度制造手机之前,我们应该看到的积极的一面:
随着最近国际形势的稳定,印度的跨国公司似乎越来越多了。现在我们看到了更多的外国投资。
虽然我们不能生产芯片,但目前来看,未来还是有希望的。我们将来可能会这样做。
1.三星在北方邦的诺伊达开设了其最大的工厂。我在上面已经提到过了
2.苹果iPhone的制造商富士康已经在安得拉邦和泰米尔纳德邦建立了工厂
3.Oppo、Vivo、Realme、小米等品牌在印度都有组装工厂
我同意这些公司只是在印度组装手机的观点,但印度仍有一线希望。
以往的几乎所有的装配厂最终都变成了制造厂。
所以,让我们希望印度公司也能很快开始在印度生产智能手机和其他电子产品。
With the recent stable conditions, India seems to be getting more global companies. We see more investments these days.
Although we cannot purchase chips, for now, there is still hope for the future. We might do that in the future.
1.Samsung opened its largest factory in Noida, Uttar Pradesh. I have mentioned this above
2.Apple iPhone maker Foxconn has already built its plant in Andhra Pradesh and Tamil Nadu
3.Oppo, Vivo, Realme, Xiaomi and several other brands have their assembly plants in India
I agree with the point that these companies are merely assembling their phones in India but there is still a thin line of hope.
Almost every assembly factory eventually turned into a manufacturing plant.
So, let’s hope that Indian will also soon start producing smartphones and other electronic products in India.
在我们可以在印度制造手机之前,我们应该看到的积极的一面:
随着最近国际形势的稳定,印度的跨国公司似乎越来越多了。现在我们看到了更多的外国投资。
虽然我们不能生产芯片,但目前来看,未来还是有希望的。我们将来可能会这样做。
1.三星在北方邦的诺伊达开设了其最大的工厂。我在上面已经提到过了
2.苹果iPhone的制造商富士康已经在安得拉邦和泰米尔纳德邦建立了工厂
3.Oppo、Vivo、Realme、小米等品牌在印度都有组装工厂
我同意这些公司只是在印度组装手机的观点,但印度仍有一线希望。
以往的几乎所有的装配厂最终都变成了制造厂。
所以,让我们希望印度公司也能很快开始在印度生产智能手机和其他电子产品。
Hussain Syed
I always find the made Vs assembled comments here on Quora funny.
If you make biryani at home, does it mean you grew the goat, grew the rice, grew all the spices, grew the cow that gave the cure/ghee etc etc? So would you call it made by you or assembled by you?
The reality is if we go by the definition you are giving, there is no country that “makes” phones. Everyone just assembles them. Even China.
我总是觉得Quora上关于印度的制造与组装的评论很有趣。
如果你在家里做印度菜,是不是意味着你要养山羊,种水稻,种各种香料,养能提供治疗的牛等等? 你说它是你自己制造的还是你自己组装的呢?
现实情况是,如果我们按照你给出的定义,没有哪个国家在真正“制造”手机。每个国家都只是把它们组装起来而已,包括中国。
I always find the made Vs assembled comments here on Quora funny.
If you make biryani at home, does it mean you grew the goat, grew the rice, grew all the spices, grew the cow that gave the cure/ghee etc etc? So would you call it made by you or assembled by you?
The reality is if we go by the definition you are giving, there is no country that “makes” phones. Everyone just assembles them. Even China.
我总是觉得Quora上关于印度的制造与组装的评论很有趣。
如果你在家里做印度菜,是不是意味着你要养山羊,种水稻,种各种香料,养能提供治疗的牛等等? 你说它是你自己制造的还是你自己组装的呢?
现实情况是,如果我们按照你给出的定义,没有哪个国家在真正“制造”手机。每个国家都只是把它们组装起来而已,包括中国。
Himadri Debnath
You make biriyani at home but also you don't bring goat from another country, rather you bring it from another person who may live in your locality. Suppose you bring onions from another country, which is very important ingredient for your biriyani, and that country suddenly increased price or stopped supply. In this case your biriyani may taste bad and you may loose customer. That is the main point.
Semiconductor industry is one of the most important in the world. There is a difference between making in India and assembling in India. Any country can assemble phones with minimum resources but there are only 4–5 countries in the world which manufacturers it. Future war will be fully electronic warfare. For these we need build our own chips. This is not just making smartphones but also making weapons. That's why we need our own manufacturing hub, otherwise we have to depend on those handful of countries and on any day they can ditch us. I hope you can understand.
你在家做印度菜时,你不会从其他国家买山羊来,而是从住在你当地的其他人那里买。假设你从另一个国家买了洋葱,洋葱是印度菜的重要原料,而那个国家突然提价或停止供应,在这种情况下,你做的印度菜可能会很难吃,你可能会失去顾客。这就是重点。
半导体工业是世界上最重要的工业之一。在印度制造和在印度装配是有区别的。任何国家都可以用最少的资源组装手机,但世界上只有4-5个国家可以制造手机。未来的战争将完全是电子战。为此,我们需要制造自己的芯片。这不仅仅是为了制造智能手机,也是为了制造武器。这就是为什么我们需要自己的制造业中心,否则我们就不得不依赖那些少数的有能力做到的国家,而他们随时都可能抛弃我们。希望你能理解。
You make biriyani at home but also you don't bring goat from another country, rather you bring it from another person who may live in your locality. Suppose you bring onions from another country, which is very important ingredient for your biriyani, and that country suddenly increased price or stopped supply. In this case your biriyani may taste bad and you may loose customer. That is the main point.
Semiconductor industry is one of the most important in the world. There is a difference between making in India and assembling in India. Any country can assemble phones with minimum resources but there are only 4–5 countries in the world which manufacturers it. Future war will be fully electronic warfare. For these we need build our own chips. This is not just making smartphones but also making weapons. That's why we need our own manufacturing hub, otherwise we have to depend on those handful of countries and on any day they can ditch us. I hope you can understand.
你在家做印度菜时,你不会从其他国家买山羊来,而是从住在你当地的其他人那里买。假设你从另一个国家买了洋葱,洋葱是印度菜的重要原料,而那个国家突然提价或停止供应,在这种情况下,你做的印度菜可能会很难吃,你可能会失去顾客。这就是重点。
半导体工业是世界上最重要的工业之一。在印度制造和在印度装配是有区别的。任何国家都可以用最少的资源组装手机,但世界上只有4-5个国家可以制造手机。未来的战争将完全是电子战。为此,我们需要制造自己的芯片。这不仅仅是为了制造智能手机,也是为了制造武器。这就是为什么我们需要自己的制造业中心,否则我们就不得不依赖那些少数的有能力做到的国家,而他们随时都可能抛弃我们。希望你能理解。
Kuntal Roy, BE Information Technology
With what I read in the answers that have already been given, I had to share my view as there is a plethora of misinformation going around.
Smartphone/Electronics manufacturing and design have both hardware and software components -
1.The Hardware : is the chipset/motherboard, screen, camera, various sensors etc. In short anything that you can touch in the phone is hardware. Most of these components are R&D ed by large companies like Samsung, Apple, Sony etc. Here the teams are mixed and contain researchers or scientists from various countries. They come up with the main concept and working product. Since majority of these R&D centers are in US, the patents are filed there under the company’s name. Once patented, these components are blue printed and outsourced to countries like China due to only one reason - Cost of Production. India can also be a competitor here if we can bring down taxes and procurement cost of components so that we can match the cost of China. The various hurdles by the government during the boom years of the mobile phone revolution led to the development of the IT Services sector more. This is during the NOKIA generation mind you.
根据我读到的已经给出的答案,我不得不分享我的观点,因为有大量的错误信息正在流传。
智能手机或电子产品的制造和设计都有硬件和软件之分。
1.硬件: 是芯片组或主板,屏幕,摄像头,各种传感器等。简而言之,你能在手机中触摸到的任何东西都是硬件。这些组件大多是由三星、苹果、索尼等大公司研发的。这里的团队是混合的,包括来自不同国家的研究人员或科学家。他们提出了主要的概念和设计产品。由于大多数研发中心在美国,专利都是以公司的名义在美国申请的。一旦获得专利,这些组件就会被允许生产并外包给像中国这样的国家,原因只有一个——生产成本。如果我们能降低税收和零部件的采购成本,这样我们就能赶上中国的成本,印度也可以成为中国的竞争对手。印度政府在移动电话革命的繁荣期遇到的种种障碍导致影响了印度的IT服务业的发展。请注意,这是在诺基亚时代发生的。
With what I read in the answers that have already been given, I had to share my view as there is a plethora of misinformation going around.
Smartphone/Electronics manufacturing and design have both hardware and software components -
1.The Hardware : is the chipset/motherboard, screen, camera, various sensors etc. In short anything that you can touch in the phone is hardware. Most of these components are R&D ed by large companies like Samsung, Apple, Sony etc. Here the teams are mixed and contain researchers or scientists from various countries. They come up with the main concept and working product. Since majority of these R&D centers are in US, the patents are filed there under the company’s name. Once patented, these components are blue printed and outsourced to countries like China due to only one reason - Cost of Production. India can also be a competitor here if we can bring down taxes and procurement cost of components so that we can match the cost of China. The various hurdles by the government during the boom years of the mobile phone revolution led to the development of the IT Services sector more. This is during the NOKIA generation mind you.
根据我读到的已经给出的答案,我不得不分享我的观点,因为有大量的错误信息正在流传。
智能手机或电子产品的制造和设计都有硬件和软件之分。
1.硬件: 是芯片组或主板,屏幕,摄像头,各种传感器等。简而言之,你能在手机中触摸到的任何东西都是硬件。这些组件大多是由三星、苹果、索尼等大公司研发的。这里的团队是混合的,包括来自不同国家的研究人员或科学家。他们提出了主要的概念和设计产品。由于大多数研发中心在美国,专利都是以公司的名义在美国申请的。一旦获得专利,这些组件就会被允许生产并外包给像中国这样的国家,原因只有一个——生产成本。如果我们能降低税收和零部件的采购成本,这样我们就能赶上中国的成本,印度也可以成为中国的竞争对手。印度政府在移动电话革命的繁荣期遇到的种种障碍导致影响了印度的IT服务业的发展。请注意,这是在诺基亚时代发生的。
2. The Software : is the part that runs on the hardware to provide the interface and services that you gain out of your cell phone. There is a machine level software (assembly language)
and then above it is the Operating system(OS like Android),
and then on top of that run the various APPs (Like GMAIL, Calling APP, Games etc.).
In all of these levels of software, there are many Indian software engineers at work. And this actually is the cutting edge of the software that you see on the example taken - mobile phones.
I work at IBM and the misconception is that we are not working on the bleeding edge of technology. We work on the bleeding edge of software every day as are the Indians working in the R&D teams in IBM, Sony, Samsung, Apple etc.
We make cloud computing possible, we make the latest retail technologies helping big chains process orders understand and manage stock needs across large geographical locations, providing secure infrastructure for a company to run, do predictive and historical data analytics and all the buzz words that you can see in the internet. I have personally worked in an AI related project for IBM Watson as well and mind you I am not even in the R&D department. So the thing is its not the capability which is missing, its the COST OF PRODUCTION which matters. We have exceptional talent across technologies who are solving the biggest practical challenges faced by Fortune 500 companies so as an insider I can’t say we lack the know how. We lack the infrastructure to produce things at a low cost. That’s all! Hope I could bring in some perspective! Cheers!
2. 软件: 是运行在硬件上的部分,提供你从手机获得的接口和服务。它通过一种机器语言(汇编语言)传递信息。
再上面是操作系统(比如安卓系统)
然后在那之上运行各种应用程序(像GMAIL,应用程序,游戏app等)。
在所有这些级别的软件中,都有许多印度软件工程师在参与开发。这实际包括你看到的最先进手机上运行的软件。
我在IBM工作,人们有一种误解,认为我们不是在技术前沿工作。我们每天都在最前沿的软件领域工作,就像在IBM、索尼、三星、苹果等公司的研发团队工作的印度人一样。
我们使云计算成为可能,使用最新的零售技术帮助大型连锁超市获得订单,并规划出它们仓库的最佳地理位置,为互联网公司提供网络安全保障系统, 为需要的公司做预测和历史数据分析。你在互联网上看到的最新技术上都有我们的参与。我个人也在IBM的AI相关项目中工作过,请注意,我甚至不是在研发部门。所以问题不在于印度缺少生产能力,而在于生产成本。我们拥有跨领域技术的杰出人才,他们正在解决《财富》500强企业面临的最大实际挑战,因此作为业内人士,我不能说我们缺乏知识。我们缺乏以低成本生产产品的基础设施。这是印度不能制造手机的根本原因! 希望我能为你带来一些不一样的视角! 干杯!
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and then above it is the Operating system(OS like Android),
and then on top of that run the various APPs (Like GMAIL, Calling APP, Games etc.).
In all of these levels of software, there are many Indian software engineers at work. And this actually is the cutting edge of the software that you see on the example taken - mobile phones.
I work at IBM and the misconception is that we are not working on the bleeding edge of technology. We work on the bleeding edge of software every day as are the Indians working in the R&D teams in IBM, Sony, Samsung, Apple etc.
We make cloud computing possible, we make the latest retail technologies helping big chains process orders understand and manage stock needs across large geographical locations, providing secure infrastructure for a company to run, do predictive and historical data analytics and all the buzz words that you can see in the internet. I have personally worked in an AI related project for IBM Watson as well and mind you I am not even in the R&D department. So the thing is its not the capability which is missing, its the COST OF PRODUCTION which matters. We have exceptional talent across technologies who are solving the biggest practical challenges faced by Fortune 500 companies so as an insider I can’t say we lack the know how. We lack the infrastructure to produce things at a low cost. That’s all! Hope I could bring in some perspective! Cheers!
2. 软件: 是运行在硬件上的部分,提供你从手机获得的接口和服务。它通过一种机器语言(汇编语言)传递信息。
再上面是操作系统(比如安卓系统)
然后在那之上运行各种应用程序(像GMAIL,应用程序,游戏app等)。
在所有这些级别的软件中,都有许多印度软件工程师在参与开发。这实际包括你看到的最先进手机上运行的软件。
我在IBM工作,人们有一种误解,认为我们不是在技术前沿工作。我们每天都在最前沿的软件领域工作,就像在IBM、索尼、三星、苹果等公司的研发团队工作的印度人一样。
我们使云计算成为可能,使用最新的零售技术帮助大型连锁超市获得订单,并规划出它们仓库的最佳地理位置,为互联网公司提供网络安全保障系统, 为需要的公司做预测和历史数据分析。你在互联网上看到的最新技术上都有我们的参与。我个人也在IBM的AI相关项目中工作过,请注意,我甚至不是在研发部门。所以问题不在于印度缺少生产能力,而在于生产成本。我们拥有跨领域技术的杰出人才,他们正在解决《财富》500强企业面临的最大实际挑战,因此作为业内人士,我不能说我们缺乏知识。我们缺乏以低成本生产产品的基础设施。这是印度不能制造手机的根本原因! 希望我能为你带来一些不一样的视角! 干杯!
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Kanthaswamy Balasubramaniam, Lawyer
The Answer is Haircutting Saloons
An Average Indian Software Engineer is groomed to work in various projects for companies like Infosys or Wipro or TCS - mainly as an entry level programmer rising all the way to a Project manager.
Their job is essentially to Code in different languages at the beginning and eventually managing/overseeing the Project to its completion.
Chetan Bhagat derisively referred to this culture as Hair Cutting Saloon Culture wherein you are just providing a service (Referring to Infosys and Narayana Murthy).
Barely 3.2% Indian Software Engineers - work in Research and Development to develop a new coding language, develop new revolutionary algorithms, develop or create new applications of cutting edge etc in companies like Honeywell or Microsoft or Google.
问题的答案是理发沙龙。
一个普通的印度软件工程师一开始的培养就是为了让他在像Infosys、Wipro或TCS这样的公司的各种项目中工作——主要的发展历程就是作为初级程序员一路晋升到项目经理。
他们的工作本质上是开始用不同的语言编写代码,直到项目的完成。
Chetan Bhagat嘲笑这种文化为理发沙龙文化,在那里你只是提供了一种服务(指的是Infosys和Narayana Murthy)。
只有3.2%的印度软件工程师——在霍尼韦尔、微软或谷歌等公司从事研发工作,开发新的编码语言、开发新的革命性算法、开发或创造新的前沿应用等。
The Answer is Haircutting Saloons
An Average Indian Software Engineer is groomed to work in various projects for companies like Infosys or Wipro or TCS - mainly as an entry level programmer rising all the way to a Project manager.
Their job is essentially to Code in different languages at the beginning and eventually managing/overseeing the Project to its completion.
Chetan Bhagat derisively referred to this culture as Hair Cutting Saloon Culture wherein you are just providing a service (Referring to Infosys and Narayana Murthy).
Barely 3.2% Indian Software Engineers - work in Research and Development to develop a new coding language, develop new revolutionary algorithms, develop or create new applications of cutting edge etc in companies like Honeywell or Microsoft or Google.
问题的答案是理发沙龙。
一个普通的印度软件工程师一开始的培养就是为了让他在像Infosys、Wipro或TCS这样的公司的各种项目中工作——主要的发展历程就是作为初级程序员一路晋升到项目经理。
他们的工作本质上是开始用不同的语言编写代码,直到项目的完成。
Chetan Bhagat嘲笑这种文化为理发沙龙文化,在那里你只是提供了一种服务(指的是Infosys和Narayana Murthy)。
只有3.2%的印度软件工程师——在霍尼韦尔、微软或谷歌等公司从事研发工作,开发新的编码语言、开发新的革命性算法、开发或创造新的前沿应用等。
Right from Engineering College - The Best Indian Software Engineering Student is groomed to get a good job with a high salary and the coursework is also structured in the same manner. Emphasis on Data Structures, Algorithms, Graph Computations and Embedded Systems is much less with only 1 - 2 subjects offered while there is a huge emphasis on Programming and Databases both of which use established products and have little scope of development in terms of new applications.
And another thing - Kiran Reddy - from Microsoft says - She prefers MCA students to Computer Engineering Students in Research and Development as she feels that the MCA students are more suited to think and create than Engineering students.
Subsequently “Creating” new Products is almost Zero in India. We have no Patented Algorithms, No Patented Intellectual Property Products in the area of Embedded Systems or Advanced Digital Encryption etc.
从工程学院开始—印度最好的软件工程学生的目标就是有一份高薪的好工作,课程也采用同样的方式。对数据结构、算法、图形计算和嵌入式系统的强调要少得多,只提供了1 - 2个主题,而对编程能力和数据库运用的强调很大,两者都是使用已建立的技术和产品,在新应用开发的能力方面关注的很少。
另一件事—来自微软的Kiran Reddy说——她更喜欢MCA(天文和航空等科目)的学生而不是计算机工程系的学生从事研发工作,因为她觉得MCA的学生比工程系的学生更适合思考和创造。
随后,印度“创造”的新产品几乎是零。在嵌入式系统、先进数字加密等领域,我们没有专利算法、没有专利知识产权产品。
And another thing - Kiran Reddy - from Microsoft says - She prefers MCA students to Computer Engineering Students in Research and Development as she feels that the MCA students are more suited to think and create than Engineering students.
Subsequently “Creating” new Products is almost Zero in India. We have no Patented Algorithms, No Patented Intellectual Property Products in the area of Embedded Systems or Advanced Digital Encryption etc.
从工程学院开始—印度最好的软件工程学生的目标就是有一份高薪的好工作,课程也采用同样的方式。对数据结构、算法、图形计算和嵌入式系统的强调要少得多,只提供了1 - 2个主题,而对编程能力和数据库运用的强调很大,两者都是使用已建立的技术和产品,在新应用开发的能力方面关注的很少。
另一件事—来自微软的Kiran Reddy说——她更喜欢MCA(天文和航空等科目)的学生而不是计算机工程系的学生从事研发工作,因为她觉得MCA的学生比工程系的学生更适合思考和创造。
随后,印度“创造”的新产品几乎是零。在嵌入式系统、先进数字加密等领域,我们没有专利算法、没有专利知识产权产品。
Meanwhile some Countries and Percentage of Software Engineers who work in R & D and creation of new products:-
(a) USA - 77% ( Over 150000 Patented IP Software Products)
(b) Taiwan - 53%
(c) Japan - 46%
(d) South Korea- 41%
(e) China - 29%
So
Point Number 1 - Our Best Students of Software Engineering are trained in general to provide services in Coding and eventually Project Management to Foreign Clients and Customers (Or Training or a Plethora of Services).
与此同时,一些国家中从事研发和创造新产品的软件工程师占软件工程师总数的百分比如下:
(a)美国- 77%(拥有超过150000个软件领域的专利知识产权)
(b)台湾- 53%
(c)日本- 46%
(d)韩国- 41%
(e)中国- 29%
所以
第一点,我们在软件工程方面最好的学生接受的大部分培训是为外国客户和本国客户提供编码服务和最终的项目管理(或培训的服务)。
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(a) USA - 77% ( Over 150000 Patented IP Software Products)
(b) Taiwan - 53%
(c) Japan - 46%
(d) South Korea- 41%
(e) China - 29%
So
Point Number 1 - Our Best Students of Software Engineering are trained in general to provide services in Coding and eventually Project Management to Foreign Clients and Customers (Or Training or a Plethora of Services).
与此同时,一些国家中从事研发和创造新产品的软件工程师占软件工程师总数的百分比如下:
(a)美国- 77%(拥有超过150000个软件领域的专利知识产权)
(b)台湾- 53%
(c)日本- 46%
(d)韩国- 41%
(e)中国- 29%
所以
第一点,我们在软件工程方面最好的学生接受的大部分培训是为外国客户和本国客户提供编码服务和最终的项目管理(或培训的服务)。
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Point Number 2 - Our Best Students of Software Engineering are taught right from College that the First Priority is to get a job and a Good Package is their best expectation. For instance a Student working for Infosys as a Programmer in a Project may earn around Rs. 10–12 LPA as starting package while a R&D Programmer for a Grant Research Project at IISC may only earn around Rs. 5.5 - 6.5 LPA.
The only way to rectify this to increase R & D in Computing and Technology and make the job more attractive while at the same time change the syllabus of Engineering to promote development and original thought.
Inputs from - Kiran Reddy, Microsoft ;
Source - Article from India Today on Software Engineers
第二点,我们最好的软件工程专业的学生从大学一开始就被教导,首要任务是找到一份工作,获得一份好工作是他们最大的期望。例如,一个在Infosys工作的参与项目开发的程序员,可以获得大约10-12 万卢比的起始收入,而一个在IISC的研究资助项目的研发程序员只能获得大约5.5 - 6.5 万卢比的收入。
解决这一问题的唯一途径是增加计算机技术的研发人员的薪资,使研发工作更具吸引力,同时改变印度软件工程教学大纲,促进发展印度学生的创新思维。
来源-来自今日印度关于软件工程师的文章
The only way to rectify this to increase R & D in Computing and Technology and make the job more attractive while at the same time change the syllabus of Engineering to promote development and original thought.
Inputs from - Kiran Reddy, Microsoft ;
Source - Article from India Today on Software Engineers
第二点,我们最好的软件工程专业的学生从大学一开始就被教导,首要任务是找到一份工作,获得一份好工作是他们最大的期望。例如,一个在Infosys工作的参与项目开发的程序员,可以获得大约10-12 万卢比的起始收入,而一个在IISC的研究资助项目的研发程序员只能获得大约5.5 - 6.5 万卢比的收入。
解决这一问题的唯一途径是增加计算机技术的研发人员的薪资,使研发工作更具吸引力,同时改变印度软件工程教学大纲,促进发展印度学生的创新思维。
来源-来自今日印度关于软件工程师的文章
Vigneswaran Balachandran
Leave all this sir. Recently I saw a ad for making resumes for our college students. If a ug graduate can't even create his own resume, how can we even think of competing with china in manufacturing
最近我看到一则为大学生制作简历的广告。如果一个工程学院的毕业生连自己的简历都写不出来,我们怎么能在制造业上与中国竞争呢?
Leave all this sir. Recently I saw a ad for making resumes for our college students. If a ug graduate can't even create his own resume, how can we even think of competing with china in manufacturing
最近我看到一则为大学生制作简历的广告。如果一个工程学院的毕业生连自己的简历都写不出来,我们怎么能在制造业上与中国竞争呢?
Harsh Vardhan
Making a good resume and being a good engineer are two different things.
Since I am a recruiter I see many talented engineers who have very poorly formatted and badly made resumes. Many a time I help them out in improving their resumes.
However there are times when I see engineers with excellent presentation skills, having a well drafted resume who lack basic knowledge of their core fields.
So both the things are not totally related.
制作一份好的简历和成为一名优秀的工程师是两码事。
因为我是一名招聘人员,我看到许多有才华的工程师的简历格式和制作都很糟糕。很多时候,我会帮助他们改进简历。
然而,有时我也会看到那些拥有出色的演示技巧,有一份精心起草的简历的工程师,却对他们的核心领域缺乏基本知识。
所以这两者并不是完全相关的。
Making a good resume and being a good engineer are two different things.
Since I am a recruiter I see many talented engineers who have very poorly formatted and badly made resumes. Many a time I help them out in improving their resumes.
However there are times when I see engineers with excellent presentation skills, having a well drafted resume who lack basic knowledge of their core fields.
So both the things are not totally related.
制作一份好的简历和成为一名优秀的工程师是两码事。
因为我是一名招聘人员,我看到许多有才华的工程师的简历格式和制作都很糟糕。很多时候,我会帮助他们改进简历。
然而,有时我也会看到那些拥有出色的演示技巧,有一份精心起草的简历的工程师,却对他们的核心领域缺乏基本知识。
所以这两者并不是完全相关的。
Saurabh Kumar Singh, https://www.youtube.com/scienceplustech
Can you name a single Indian brand which designs, manufactures and assembles a Smartphone in India? at present not a single company does that,
Does that mean no one can do this? Many Indian companies can do this but there are multiple hurdles which are very difficult to cross,1st hurdle lack of Engineers and talented workforce!! Yes, you heard it right!! at least 10 lakh engineers complete their graduation in India each year, Most of the talented professionals leave India because no opportunity is present again due to several reasons, you would be able to find 1000’s of service-based companies in India and very little Product based company(product-based companies are those that create a real product) Make my trip, Flipkart, OYO, Paytm are service-based companies,)
你能举出一个在印度设计、制造和组装的智能手机的品牌吗? 目前没有一家公司这样做。
这是否意味着印度没人能做到呢? 许多印度公司可以做到这一点,但有很多障碍很难跨越,第一个障碍是缺乏工程师和有技术的劳动力! 是的,你没听错! 每年至少10万的工程师在印度完成他们的毕业,但其中大部分的专业人才会离开印度, 因为若干原因, 他们没办法在印度找到一份从事研发的公司。
Can you name a single Indian brand which designs, manufactures and assembles a Smartphone in India? at present not a single company does that,
Does that mean no one can do this? Many Indian companies can do this but there are multiple hurdles which are very difficult to cross,1st hurdle lack of Engineers and talented workforce!! Yes, you heard it right!! at least 10 lakh engineers complete their graduation in India each year, Most of the talented professionals leave India because no opportunity is present again due to several reasons, you would be able to find 1000’s of service-based companies in India and very little Product based company(product-based companies are those that create a real product) Make my trip, Flipkart, OYO, Paytm are service-based companies,)
你能举出一个在印度设计、制造和组装的智能手机的品牌吗? 目前没有一家公司这样做。
这是否意味着印度没人能做到呢? 许多印度公司可以做到这一点,但有很多障碍很难跨越,第一个障碍是缺乏工程师和有技术的劳动力! 是的,你没听错! 每年至少10万的工程师在印度完成他们的毕业,但其中大部分的专业人才会离开印度, 因为若干原因, 他们没办法在印度找到一份从事研发的公司。
2nd, Hurdle politics and corruption due to which a lot of time is wasted and remember after every 6 months a new much powerful processor is launched, just think a company has finished its paperwork on a product and it took 6 months to clear all its approvals, and now at least 6 more months are required to prepare the final stocks to launch the final product in the market, by the time product would be launched the smartphone would already be 1 year old!!
第二个障碍, 由于政治的腐败, 印度公司的很多时间都被浪费了, 一家公司想要花费6个月完成一个新的更强大的处理器的开发项目,而这家公司完成所有书面材料和所有审批工作后, 已经花费了6个月时间, 而现在至少还需要6个月来研发最终能推向市场的最终产品, 当产品最终推出时,智能手机的年龄已经又涨了一岁了! !
原创翻译:龙腾网 https://www.ltaaa.cn 转载请注明出处
第二个障碍, 由于政治的腐败, 印度公司的很多时间都被浪费了, 一家公司想要花费6个月完成一个新的更强大的处理器的开发项目,而这家公司完成所有书面材料和所有审批工作后, 已经花费了6个月时间, 而现在至少还需要6个月来研发最终能推向市场的最终产品, 当产品最终推出时,智能手机的年龄已经又涨了一岁了! !
原创翻译:龙腾网 https://www.ltaaa.cn 转载请注明出处
so now if anyone goes to market and sees 2 similar phones
a Chinese smartphone with latest features costing 5,000/-
an Indian smartphone with a year-old feature, 15,000/-
(Indian one would be costlier than Chinese because it took much longer time for an Indian brand to manufacture smartphone,+ taxes)
obviously you would buy Chinese one, I have seen many shouting boycott Chinese product, and they are the one to buy OnePlus, Oppo, Realme, Mi, Motorola, etc, etc and says
"k ek Mobile hai kya pharak padata hai"
But I hope one-day Indian smartphone brand situation would change,
如果有人去市场看到两款相似的手机:
一款拥有最新功能的中国智能手机,售价为5000美元,
一款印度智能手机,使用年限为一年,售价却为1.5万美元。
(印度手机比中国手机贵,因为印度品牌生产智能手机需要更长的时间,再加上税收成本)
显然你会买中国货,我看到很多人高喊抵制中国货,但他们仍然会买一加、Oppo、Realme、小米、摩托罗拉等等中国品牌的手机,然后说:"只是一部手机又有什么关系呢"
但我希望有一天印度智能手机品牌的情况会有所改变。
a Chinese smartphone with latest features costing 5,000/-
an Indian smartphone with a year-old feature, 15,000/-
(Indian one would be costlier than Chinese because it took much longer time for an Indian brand to manufacture smartphone,+ taxes)
obviously you would buy Chinese one, I have seen many shouting boycott Chinese product, and they are the one to buy OnePlus, Oppo, Realme, Mi, Motorola, etc, etc and says
"k ek Mobile hai kya pharak padata hai"
But I hope one-day Indian smartphone brand situation would change,
如果有人去市场看到两款相似的手机:
一款拥有最新功能的中国智能手机,售价为5000美元,
一款印度智能手机,使用年限为一年,售价却为1.5万美元。
(印度手机比中国手机贵,因为印度品牌生产智能手机需要更长的时间,再加上税收成本)
显然你会买中国货,我看到很多人高喊抵制中国货,但他们仍然会买一加、Oppo、Realme、小米、摩托罗拉等等中国品牌的手机,然后说:"只是一部手机又有什么关系呢"
但我希望有一天印度智能手机品牌的情况会有所改变。
Harun Ethiraj, lived in Chennai, Tamil Nadu, India
Best software engineers?
No, it's Produce best-trained engineers, not thinkers.
in engineering colleges removed some well-known colleges other are just focusing on how to get 23 marks out of 70.
The teachers who are teaching coding subjects they don't work on the real-time projects so how he/she teach practical knowledge they just know to teach don't know the coding.
Engineers learn by doing and not reading.
Also, teachers even want to teach students practically so there is another problem that campus doesn't have enough devices and if devices are present then they don't meet with minimum requirement specification for a particular software like Android(for making mobile application).
Half of the engineering student pass out by attending video lectures on YouTube a week ago from their exam.
After completion of engineering, every engineer realized that the 3/4 year is wasted and join any company where he actually takes training first and learned.
Now engineers become robot they do the coding which company want from them.
Here is the story of the common engineers and who have a special skill or have the money go abroad and give rise to a company that produces smartphone.
So smartphones are manufactured by Indian engineers but not by India.
世界最佳软件工程师?
不,他们是世界最好的编码工程师,而不是研发者。
除了一些知名的工科院校外,印度其他一些院校只关注如何让他们的学生在70分中取得23分。
教授编程课程的老师不从事实际项目的开发,所以他/她只能教授他们编程的基础知识,而不告诉学生如何编程。
工程师是通过实践而不是阅读来学习的。
此外,教师们也是想要教学生实际开发的,所以还有另一个问题,校园没有足够的设备,即便设备是存在的,那么它们也不符合一个特定软件的最低运行要求,如AndroidStudio(制作移动应用程序的开发软件)。
一周前,有一个的工科学生因为在YouTube上观看考试视频而昏倒。
在完成学业之后,每一个毕业生都意识到这三四年的时间被浪费掉了,于是加入了任何一个他需要先接受培训然后再上班的公司。
现在工程师变成了机器人,他们只能为公司写代码了。
这是一个普通工程师的故事,他们如果有特殊技能或资金的话就会去国外,然后加入一家生产智能手机的公司。
所以智能手机是印度工程师制造的,但不是印度制造的。
Best software engineers?
No, it's Produce best-trained engineers, not thinkers.
in engineering colleges removed some well-known colleges other are just focusing on how to get 23 marks out of 70.
The teachers who are teaching coding subjects they don't work on the real-time projects so how he/she teach practical knowledge they just know to teach don't know the coding.
Engineers learn by doing and not reading.
Also, teachers even want to teach students practically so there is another problem that campus doesn't have enough devices and if devices are present then they don't meet with minimum requirement specification for a particular software like Android(for making mobile application).
Half of the engineering student pass out by attending video lectures on YouTube a week ago from their exam.
After completion of engineering, every engineer realized that the 3/4 year is wasted and join any company where he actually takes training first and learned.
Now engineers become robot they do the coding which company want from them.
Here is the story of the common engineers and who have a special skill or have the money go abroad and give rise to a company that produces smartphone.
So smartphones are manufactured by Indian engineers but not by India.
世界最佳软件工程师?
不,他们是世界最好的编码工程师,而不是研发者。
除了一些知名的工科院校外,印度其他一些院校只关注如何让他们的学生在70分中取得23分。
教授编程课程的老师不从事实际项目的开发,所以他/她只能教授他们编程的基础知识,而不告诉学生如何编程。
工程师是通过实践而不是阅读来学习的。
此外,教师们也是想要教学生实际开发的,所以还有另一个问题,校园没有足够的设备,即便设备是存在的,那么它们也不符合一个特定软件的最低运行要求,如AndroidStudio(制作移动应用程序的开发软件)。
一周前,有一个的工科学生因为在YouTube上观看考试视频而昏倒。
在完成学业之后,每一个毕业生都意识到这三四年的时间被浪费掉了,于是加入了任何一个他需要先接受培训然后再上班的公司。
现在工程师变成了机器人,他们只能为公司写代码了。
这是一个普通工程师的故事,他们如果有特殊技能或资金的话就会去国外,然后加入一家生产智能手机的公司。
所以智能手机是印度工程师制造的,但不是印度制造的。
Arun M Kumar
Well, smartphone manufacturing is not related to software engineering. India needs to learn how to make chips and other critical components to be able to manufacture smartphones completely in India. Currently India has to import prefabricated components because Indian companies neither have the hardware, nor the knowhow of making/using it.
Also, it's a misconception that India has the best software engineers. India does have a lot of software professionals but they are in the software business just because there are more jobs available in the IT industry. Most of these software professionals are just about average to below average in their skills. The very highly skilled people follow the standard bell curve and the majority of the cream of the crop migrates out of India by the thousands every year to never return anyway.
智能手机的制造与工程软件无关。印度需要学习如何制作芯片和其他重要的零部件,以便未来能够在印度完全生产智能手机。印度目前必须进口电子产品,因为印度公司既不能生产硬件,也不知道如何使用这些产品。
此外,这是一个错误是印度有最好的软件工程师。印度有很多专业的软件工程师,但他们只是因为在商业软件行业有更多的工作可以做而从事这个行业的。他们开发的大多数软件都是低于平均水平的。技术水平很高的人遵循标准的钟形曲线,每年都有成千上万的最优秀的印度人离开印度再也不回来了。
Well, smartphone manufacturing is not related to software engineering. India needs to learn how to make chips and other critical components to be able to manufacture smartphones completely in India. Currently India has to import prefabricated components because Indian companies neither have the hardware, nor the knowhow of making/using it.
Also, it's a misconception that India has the best software engineers. India does have a lot of software professionals but they are in the software business just because there are more jobs available in the IT industry. Most of these software professionals are just about average to below average in their skills. The very highly skilled people follow the standard bell curve and the majority of the cream of the crop migrates out of India by the thousands every year to never return anyway.
智能手机的制造与工程软件无关。印度需要学习如何制作芯片和其他重要的零部件,以便未来能够在印度完全生产智能手机。印度目前必须进口电子产品,因为印度公司既不能生产硬件,也不知道如何使用这些产品。
此外,这是一个错误是印度有最好的软件工程师。印度有很多专业的软件工程师,但他们只是因为在商业软件行业有更多的工作可以做而从事这个行业的。他们开发的大多数软件都是低于平均水平的。技术水平很高的人遵循标准的钟形曲线,每年都有成千上万的最优秀的印度人离开印度再也不回来了。
Sathish P
Because the IITians we produced from tax payers money claim that they are not from Indian Institute of technology. Rather they brag themselves as Indian Institute of Tax payers
Ask any IITians what technology they gave to their nation, after sucking 70yrs of tax payers money, for benefits of poor and rural who don't even have access to safe drinking water, these IITians will brag themselves that they are paying taxes and foreign exchange..
Tax is paid even by a beggar if he purchases any product. Liquor sale due to poor is the biggest revenue to the govts. Also GOI is not run only due to taxes paid by IITians..
We ask IITians about technology, they will talk about taxes
Yes.. At the end whatever IITians say have a sense.. But others discussion have no sense..
因为我们用纳税人的钱培养出来的印度理工学院的学生声称他们不是来自印度理工学院。相反,他们吹嘘自己是印度纳税人协会的一员。
问问印度理工学院的人,在花了70年纳税人的钱之后,为了那些连安全饮用水都没有的穷人和农村人的利益,他们给国家提供了什么技术,这些印度理工学院的人只会吹嘘自己在纳税和拥有的外汇。
即使是乞丐,如果他购买任何产品,也要交税。穷人纳的税是政府最大的收入。此外,政府的运作并不仅仅是因为印度理工学院的人交了税。
我们询问印度理工学院的人研发了什么技术,他们就会和我们谈论税收。
是的,到最后,只有印度理工学院的人说的话有意义,其他人谈论什么都是没有意义的。
Because the IITians we produced from tax payers money claim that they are not from Indian Institute of technology. Rather they brag themselves as Indian Institute of Tax payers
Ask any IITians what technology they gave to their nation, after sucking 70yrs of tax payers money, for benefits of poor and rural who don't even have access to safe drinking water, these IITians will brag themselves that they are paying taxes and foreign exchange..
Tax is paid even by a beggar if he purchases any product. Liquor sale due to poor is the biggest revenue to the govts. Also GOI is not run only due to taxes paid by IITians..
We ask IITians about technology, they will talk about taxes
Yes.. At the end whatever IITians say have a sense.. But others discussion have no sense..
因为我们用纳税人的钱培养出来的印度理工学院的学生声称他们不是来自印度理工学院。相反,他们吹嘘自己是印度纳税人协会的一员。
问问印度理工学院的人,在花了70年纳税人的钱之后,为了那些连安全饮用水都没有的穷人和农村人的利益,他们给国家提供了什么技术,这些印度理工学院的人只会吹嘘自己在纳税和拥有的外汇。
即使是乞丐,如果他购买任何产品,也要交税。穷人纳的税是政府最大的收入。此外,政府的运作并不仅仅是因为印度理工学院的人交了税。
我们询问印度理工学院的人研发了什么技术,他们就会和我们谈论税收。
是的,到最后,只有印度理工学院的人说的话有意义,其他人谈论什么都是没有意义的。
Rohan Sharma, studied Economics (2018)
Because of the various business laws and the various laws, red-tappism in India. The Indian government is bringing the reforms and we may see in the future some companies coming in India and manufacturing in India. Samsung has already opened its manufacturing hub in India. Apple is also thinking about the same. But still, the government has to take many steps. So, that international companies come and settle in India. India has a good number of mobile users and companies can earn a lot of money if they come and settle in India but for that India needs to make the business environment.
Hope you like the answer. Follow and upvote.
因为不同种类的商业法律和不同的法律,在印度生产手机是艰难的。但现在印度政府带来了改革,我们可以在不久的未来看到一些印度公司在印度制造手机。三星已经在印度开设了它的生产中心。苹果也在计划同样的事情。但是,政府不得不采取许多步骤来协调各方。所以,很多国际公司纷纷来印度投资建厂。印度有很多手机用户,如果他们来印度投资,他们的公司可以赚很多钱,但为此印度需要创造相应的商业环境。
希望你喜欢这个答案。
Because of the various business laws and the various laws, red-tappism in India. The Indian government is bringing the reforms and we may see in the future some companies coming in India and manufacturing in India. Samsung has already opened its manufacturing hub in India. Apple is also thinking about the same. But still, the government has to take many steps. So, that international companies come and settle in India. India has a good number of mobile users and companies can earn a lot of money if they come and settle in India but for that India needs to make the business environment.
Hope you like the answer. Follow and upvote.
因为不同种类的商业法律和不同的法律,在印度生产手机是艰难的。但现在印度政府带来了改革,我们可以在不久的未来看到一些印度公司在印度制造手机。三星已经在印度开设了它的生产中心。苹果也在计划同样的事情。但是,政府不得不采取许多步骤来协调各方。所以,很多国际公司纷纷来印度投资建厂。印度有很多手机用户,如果他们来印度投资,他们的公司可以赚很多钱,但为此印度需要创造相应的商业环境。
希望你喜欢这个答案。
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