网友讨论:对于印度人来说,在日本定居是有多难?
2021-05-27 地平线123 24032
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网友讨论:对于印度人来说,在日本定居是有多难?日本是大男子主义社会,对于女性不太友好

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Parmila Kumari
Hello Everyone,
I have been staying in Japan for quite long time (6 years by now).
I am going to write the honest things about Japan based-on my 6 years experience (3years PhD+ 3years postdoc), since it is going to help all Indian students who are planning to come to Japan in future for research or study purpose.

大家好
我在日本已经生活了六年
我写下的这些内容都是可信的,是根据自己六年的在日生活经验,希望能够帮助到未来打算到日本学习研究的印度学生

I noticed that most of the comments written on Quora are superficial based on their short-time experience in this country. The most reliable and honest blog is written by Mr Manish Mirani is so much true about Japan.
No doubt, there are many good things in Japan as described by everyone such as safety, cleanliness, good quality of goods, healthy food, infrastructure etc, but, one should never forget that just because outer appearance is beautiful, it does not define the reality behind it and always remember that bad people exist everyone in this world.

我注意到QUORA上有关评论非常肤浅,都是基于自己短期的在日经历做出的。马尼什·米拉尼先生的博客中描写的日本要更加真实可靠。
毫无疑问,正如人们所描述的那样,日本有很多的优点,如安全,干净,产品高质量,食品卫生健康,基础设施先进等。但我们要牢记在心的是不能因为其外表的美丽就否认其背后的真实性,世界任何地方都有坏人。

Being a female scientist from India in a male-dominated homogeneous society of Japan is not less than a nightmare. In the beginning when I started my PhD, I was also like other Indians, “OMG this is very beautiful and nice country and this is a true heaven on earth”, but, this feeling was not longer than one-year and soon I started to realize that there is nothing like a heaven in this country and I have made a mistake choosing this country.

对于一名来自印度的女科学家来说,在男性占主导地位的同质性社会日本生活无异于是一场噩梦。在我博士生涯初期,我和其他印度人一样,“天啊,日本太美了,这里是地球上的天堂。”但这种感觉持续的时间不超过1年,很快我开始意识到这个国家不是天堂,我选择到日本留学,很可能是一个错误。

My overall PhD experience was bad but not worst and anyhow I managed to get my degree and also got post-doc in a good Japanese university (second mistake and very big mistake of mine, just because of global misconception that Japanese people are very kind and honest). My post-doc experience is like beyond one’s imagination, what I am going to write is very hard to believe about Japanese scientific society…….

我的整个博士生涯很糟糕,但不算最糟糕,无论如何我拿到了学位,也在一所不错的日本大学获得了博士后(这是我犯的第二个错误,也是我犯的最大错误,原因是因为全球误认为日本人非常善良和诚实的固有印象)。我的博士后经历超出了所有人的想象,我接下来要写的内容会让人很难相信这是日本的科学界

I did not know about Japanese job culture very much when I started my post-doc, and I used to believe in Japanese people blindly. Just after one-month of joining, my team leader started to torture me. He used me like a machine and humiliated me almost everyday. Later I will write the words used by him for our country India and me. Initially, I did not understand his intension behind everything and he put me in a situation that I was so much afraid of talking to other people inside the laboratory. I was so much depressed, my body and soul were completely shattered that it was almost impossible to understand what was happening with me. I used to cry every night after returning back to my house. It was difficult to explain my parents in India about the whole situation. Honestly speaking, many time I thought to commit suicide but I survived anyhow. Thanks to almighty GOD!!

博士后生涯初期我对日本的工作文化还不熟悉,过去我会盲目的相信日本人。一个月以后,我就受到了团队领导的折磨。他把我像机器一样的使唤,而且每天羞辱我。刚开始,我不明白他这么做的动机是什么,当时他让我陷入害怕在实验室和其他人说话的处境。我充满了沮丧,身心俱疲,无法理解发生在自己身上的这些事。每晚回到家后我都会哭上一场。我很难向身在印度的父母解释自己的处境。老实说,我有很多次想过要自杀,但我还是没有这么做。感谢万能的神。

He did not allow me to take a single holiday during first year of my post-doc, no national holiday, no weekend, nothing. I worked more than 14 hours everyday only for his projects. He completely ignored my project and used me to finish his own projects. I was like a robot for him and whenever main professor asked him about my project then his reply was that her techniques are very bad so it is taking time to get the results.

博士后的第一年,任何假期我都不能休息,没有国庆日,没有周末,什么都没有。为了他的个人项目,我每天要工作14个小时。他完全忽略了我自己的项目,并利用我完成他的项目。我就像一个机器人一样,每一次教授询问他有关我的项目的情况时,他总是回答说我的技术太差,所以要多花点时间

After one year, I slowly started to talk to other foreigner people inside the laboratory (not Japanese, never make this mistake) and got some confidence to protest against him. I remember that when first time (after 1 year) I asked him about my project then his reply was…

一年后,我慢慢地开始和实验室里的其他外国人(不是日本人,永远不犯这种错误了)交谈,慢慢开始有了保护自己的信心。我记得我第一次(一年后)问他有关我的项目情况时,他的回答是

You can’t ask me straight question, you are a women and I am your boss, you just follow my order without asking me question. He said that you Indians come to Japan only for money, you are getting salary that is enough and you should not worry about the project……(hell right!!).

你不能直接问我问题,你是女人,我是你老板,你只管服从我的命令,不要问我问题。他说你们印度人来日本只是为了钱,你拿的工资已经足够了,你不应该担心这个项目......
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At the same time when he noticed that I am talking to other people inside the lab then he was insecure and afraid of something and he said….Your behavior is not like a Japanese women (shy and kawaii type)…

同时当他注意到我和实验室里的其他人交谈时,他有了不安全感,他说“你的行为一点也不像日本女人(害羞卡哇伊型)。

Furthermore, when I continued to protest then his response was…
You belong to a poor and developing country and you don't have ability to become a scientist in Japan and you should return back to your country (it was like I used you for 2 years, you have finished my 3 projects and now it is over please politely get lost because now you troublesome to our society).

而且,当我开始反抗时,他说“你来自一个贫困的发展中国家,在日本你不可能成为一个科学家,你应该回印度去(就好像我用了你两年,我的三个项目你都替我完成了,现在一切都结束了,请礼貌的消失把,因为你对于我们日本社会就是一个麻烦)

The most shocking thing happened when my boss called me inside his office (just after having a meeting with my team leader) and said that you have finished 2 years but you don't have any positive data, I give you salary and I fell that I am wasting my money and you should give up on science. After listening these words, I lost my control and told him everything about 2 years and why my project is failed. He said nothing to him and after 2 days he asked me to change the team and start a new project from zero.

在我老板把我叫进他的办公室后发生了一件最令我震惊的事,他说你花了两年时间,什么有用的数据都没有做出来,我给你发薪水,感觉就是在浪费自己的钱,你应该放弃科学。听完这些话后,我失去了控制,并告诉他两年来的一切,以及我项目失败的原因。他什么也没说,两天后,他让我换一个团队,从零开始一个新的项目。
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Recently he submitted a research article of the work I finished in 2 years. He dexed my name from authorship (initially it was added at second position) and added the name of one Japanese master student who joined the lab before 6 months. When I asked to the leader and boss about it then they said that now you have changed the team so you don't have any right to become an author in this paper.

最近他提交了一篇研究论文,这是我用两年时间完成的工作。他把我的名字从原创作者著名中删除了(最初是在第二个位置),加上了一个6个月前加入实验室的日本硕士生的名字。当我向领导和老板询问时,他们说现在你已经换了团队,所以没有任何权利成为这篇论文的作者。

The lucky thing is my current team leader is better and he is supportive. But, I am going to finish my 3rd year of post-doc and I don't have any conference or journal publication. I can’t take any action because a woman is never supported in Japanese society. Finally, I have decided to leave this country after losing 3 precious years of my career.

幸运的是我现在的领导比原先的好,而且愿意向我提供帮助。但我博士后的第三年马上就要结束了,还没有发表过任何期刊。我采取不了行动,因为在日本社会女性得不到支持。最后,在失去了宝贵的三年职业生涯后,我离开了日本。

I am very sorry, if my comments about Japan are hurtful for anyone. I have shared all of my experience just to tell the reality of Japanese society especially their attitude towards women. My aim is not to hurt anybody’s feeling. It is important to tell the truth for the sake of career of students from India coming to Japan with big dreams in their eyes.

如果我对日本的评论伤害到了别人,那么我很抱歉。我分享自己的所有经验,只是想告诉大家有关日本社会的真相,尤其是他们对女性的态度。我的本意不是要伤害别人的感情。对于那些带着远大梦想来到日本的印度学生来说,告诉他们真相是很重要的。

Everybody is not bad, if you are lucky one you may find good place to study or work. My message to everybody is just to be careful and don't trust Japanese blindly as I did. dexe the misconception from you mind that Japanese are very honest and loyal, before you come to this country.
Thanks.

不是每个人都是坏人,如果幸运的话,你可以找到工作学习的好去处。我只想告诉大家要小心,不要像我一样盲目相信日本人。在你来日本之前,请把有关日本人诚实忠诚的错误观念删除掉
谢谢

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