我的老师说；我们不会在古史课上学习波斯或波斯帝国，因为波斯没有像希腊人或罗马人那样对现代世界做出任何贡献。波斯真的对现代世界没有任何贡献吗？
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My teacher said; we do not learn about Persia or the Persian Empire in Ancient-history-class because Persia has not contributed with anything to the modern World unlike Greeks or Romans. Has Persia really contributed with nothing to the modern World?
我的老师说；我们不会在古史课上学习波斯或波斯帝国，因为波斯没有像希腊人或罗马人那样对现代世界做出任何贡献。波斯真的对现代世界没有任何贡献吗？
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My teacher said; we do not learn about Persia or the Persian Empire in Ancient-history-class because Persia has not contributed with anything to the modern World unlike Greeks or Romans. Has Persia really contributed with nothing to the modern World?
我的老师说；我们不会在古史课上学习波斯或波斯帝国，因为波斯没有像希腊人或罗马人那样对现代世界做出任何贡献。波斯真的对现代世界没有任何贡献吗？
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Sean Martin Fear
To be fair, Herodotus was actually pretty even-handed in his depiction of the Persians.
One reason that we read everything from the Greek POV in the West is that not much that was written in Achaemanid Persia has survived, other than copious records. We have a much better idea of how the Greeks saw themselves and foreign peoples than we do the Persians.
300 is a load of rubbish.
If I were asked to list two great Persian achievements, then:-
Creating an empire that did not rely upon slavery, genocide, mass deportations, unlike previous middle Eastern empires. Of course, the Persians could be brutal towards their enemies, but they were far milder than say, Assyrians or Babylonians. They were also very religiously tolerant.
The invention of landscape gardening. The Persians were famous for the creation of “paradises”, landscaped parks that influenced everything that came later in Europe.
公平地说，希罗多德对波斯人的描述其实是很公正的。
在西方，我们从希腊人的角度阅读一切的原因之一是，除了大量的记录外，阿契美尼德波斯写的幸存下来的东西并不多。所以相比于波斯人，我们对希腊人如何看待自己和外国人民有一个更好的了解。
斯巴达与300勇士是一派胡言。
如果要我列出波斯人的两项伟大成就，那么：--
1.创造了一个不依赖奴隶制、种族灭绝、大规模驱逐的帝国，不像以前的中东帝国那样。当然，波斯人对他们的敌人可能是残酷的，但他们比亚述人或巴比伦人温和得多。他们在宗教上也非常宽容。
2.景观园艺的发明。波斯人以创造"天堂/花园"而闻名，这些景观公园影响了后来欧洲的一切。
Barāz Forouzani
, Grumpy INTJ
Sassanid emperor Khosrow Anushiravan once said to his son :
“ Oh my son
If our enemies be the ones who write history , then they would picture beautiful as ugly & ugly as beautiful”
Seems like he pretty much foresaw the future .
Well , one can not expect those ones who picture us like these to be fair about us , my friend .
It's pretty much in nature of nations to write history in a way that they show themselves as the righteous positive figures & others as negative barbarians , without mentioning their own dark sides .
萨珊王朝的皇帝霍斯罗·阿努什拉文曾经对他的儿子说过：
“哦，我儿子
如果我们的敌人成为书写历史的人，那么他们就会把美写成丑，把丑写成美。”
看来他几乎预见到了未来。
嗯，人们不能指望像这样想象我们这样的人会对我们很公平，我的朋友。
各国在写历史的时候，都会把自己当成正义的正面人物，把别人当成负面的野蛮人，而不提自己的阴暗面，这是很正常的。
, Grumpy INTJ
Sassanid emperor Khosrow Anushiravan once said to his son :
“ Oh my son
If our enemies be the ones who write history , then they would picture beautiful as ugly & ugly as beautiful”
Seems like he pretty much foresaw the future .
Well , one can not expect those ones who picture us like these to be fair about us , my friend .
It's pretty much in nature of nations to write history in a way that they show themselves as the righteous positive figures & others as negative barbarians , without mentioning their own dark sides .
萨珊王朝的皇帝霍斯罗·阿努什拉文曾经对他的儿子说过：
“哦，我儿子
如果我们的敌人成为书写历史的人，那么他们就会把美写成丑，把丑写成美。”
看来他几乎预见到了未来。
嗯，人们不能指望像这样想象我们这样的人会对我们很公平，我的朋友。
各国在写历史的时候，都会把自己当成正义的正面人物，把别人当成负面的野蛮人，而不提自己的阴暗面，这是很正常的。
Sean Martin Fear
To be fair, Herodotus was actually pretty even-handed in his depiction of the Persians.
One reason that we read everything from the Greek POV in the West is that not much that was written in Achaemanid Persia has survived, other than copious records. We have a much better idea of how the Greeks saw themselves and foreign peoples than we do the Persians.
300 is a load of rubbish.
If I were asked to list two great Persian achievements, then:-
Creating an empire that did not rely upon slavery, genocide, mass deportations, unlike previous middle Eastern empires. Of course, the Persians could be brutal towards their enemies, but they were far milder than say, Assyrians or Babylonians. They were also very religiously tolerant.
The invention of landscape gardening. The Persians were famous for the creation of “paradises”, landscaped parks that influenced everything that came later in Europe.
公平地说，希罗多德对波斯人的描述其实是很公正的。
在西方，我们从希腊人的角度阅读一切的原因之一是，除了大量的记录外，阿契美尼德波斯写的幸存下来的东西并不多。所以相比于波斯人，我们对希腊人如何看待自己和外国人民有一个更好的了解。
斯巴达与300勇士是一派胡言。
如果要我列出波斯人的两项伟大成就，那么：--
1.创造了一个不依赖奴隶制、种族灭绝、大规模驱逐的帝国，不像以前的中东帝国那样。当然，波斯人对他们的敌人可能是残酷的，但他们比亚述人或巴比伦人温和得多。他们在宗教上也非常宽容。
2.景观园艺的发明。波斯人以创造"天堂/花园"而闻名，这些景观公园影响了后来欧洲的一切。
Barāz Forouzani
Then in that case the genius teacher better say “ the evidence of the contributions of Persians is lost” or “ we don't have much evidence about the contributions of Persia ”, instead of saying “Persians didn't contribute anything ”
既然如此，天才老师最好说"波斯人贡献的证据已经丢失"或"我们没有多少关于波斯贡献的证据"，而不是说"波斯人没有任何贡献"
Then in that case the genius teacher better say “ the evidence of the contributions of Persians is lost” or “ we don't have much evidence about the contributions of Persia ”, instead of saying “Persians didn't contribute anything ”
既然如此，天才老师最好说"波斯人贡献的证据已经丢失"或"我们没有多少关于波斯贡献的证据"，而不是说"波斯人没有任何贡献"
Simone Mangiarotti
That claim is one of the most pretentious things I have ever read, and for it to come from a history teacher is atrocious. Every civilization contributed to something in one way or another to different civilizations, especially large empires like the Persian.
这种说法是我读过的最狂妄盲目的话之一，而它出自一位历史老师之口，实在是太糟糕了。每个文明都以这样或那样的方式对不同的文明做出了贡献，尤其是像波斯这样的大帝国。
That claim is one of the most pretentious things I have ever read, and for it to come from a history teacher is atrocious. Every civilization contributed to something in one way or another to different civilizations, especially large empires like the Persian.
这种说法是我读过的最狂妄盲目的话之一，而它出自一位历史老师之口，实在是太糟糕了。每个文明都以这样或那样的方式对不同的文明做出了贡献，尤其是像波斯这样的大帝国。
Rick Roland
It's not like Persians are the only culture to get snubbed like that. The “barbarian's" that took down West Rome in my opinion got screwed over worse.
这并不是说波斯人是唯一一个被这样冷落的文化。在我看来，那些打倒了西罗马的"野蛮人"受到的待遇更糟糕。
It's not like Persians are the only culture to get snubbed like that. The “barbarian's" that took down West Rome in my opinion got screwed over worse.
这并不是说波斯人是唯一一个被这样冷落的文化。在我看来，那些打倒了西罗马的"野蛮人"受到的待遇更糟糕。
Alexei Strife
The Barbarians get their own TV show on Netflix, the Persians get the 300.
(Yes, I’m aware the show Barbarians isn’t about the fall of Rome, but I think my overall point still stands.)
野蛮人得到的是Netflix上自己的电视节目，波斯人得到的是300勇士。
(是的，我知道《野蛮人》这个节目并不是关于罗马的衰落，但我认为我的观点总体上仍然有效）。
The Barbarians get their own TV show on Netflix, the Persians get the 300.
(Yes, I’m aware the show Barbarians isn’t about the fall of Rome, but I think my overall point still stands.)
野蛮人得到的是Netflix上自己的电视节目，波斯人得到的是300勇士。
(是的，我知道《野蛮人》这个节目并不是关于罗马的衰落，但我认为我的观点总体上仍然有效）。
Renzo Fasano
I think it is important to note that while every civilization has an impact of some form in history, there are ones that are more impactful on the way of global history than others.
Yes the « Barbarians » had advanced civilizations of their own, I mean they beat the Roman Armies, so they must have known of to fight, as even after the 3 century crisis the roman armies were still a very powerful and adaptable force. On the other hand, culturally, Latin culture is more widespread than Anglo-Germanic, although it’s not that big of a margin, when you consider UK and US’s past and present influence in the world, which seems to indicate that the « Barbarians » tended to adopt roman culture and institutions more often than the other way around.
Thus it seems to me that Rome was, even in decline, a majorly more influential player than the various Germanic kingdoms of the 5 to 9 century AD.
我认为重要的是要注意，虽然每个文明都会对历史产生某种形式的影响，但有些文明对全球历史的影响确实要比其他文明大。
是的，"野蛮人"也有他们自己的先进文明，我的意思是他们击败了罗马军队，所以他们一定懂得如何战斗，因为即使在3世纪的危机之后，罗马军队仍然是一个非常强大和适应性强的力量。另一方面，在文化上，拉丁文化比盎格鲁-日耳曼文化更广泛，尽管这不是一个很大的差距，当你考虑到英国和美国过去和现在在世界上的影响时，这似乎表明"野蛮人"更倾向于采用罗马文化和制度，而不是相反的。
因此，在我看来，罗马即使在衰落中，也比公元5至9世纪的各种日耳曼王国更有影响力。
I think it is important to note that while every civilization has an impact of some form in history, there are ones that are more impactful on the way of global history than others.
Yes the « Barbarians » had advanced civilizations of their own, I mean they beat the Roman Armies, so they must have known of to fight, as even after the 3 century crisis the roman armies were still a very powerful and adaptable force. On the other hand, culturally, Latin culture is more widespread than Anglo-Germanic, although it’s not that big of a margin, when you consider UK and US’s past and present influence in the world, which seems to indicate that the « Barbarians » tended to adopt roman culture and institutions more often than the other way around.
Thus it seems to me that Rome was, even in decline, a majorly more influential player than the various Germanic kingdoms of the 5 to 9 century AD.
我认为重要的是要注意，虽然每个文明都会对历史产生某种形式的影响，但有些文明对全球历史的影响确实要比其他文明大。
是的，"野蛮人"也有他们自己的先进文明，我的意思是他们击败了罗马军队，所以他们一定懂得如何战斗，因为即使在3世纪的危机之后，罗马军队仍然是一个非常强大和适应性强的力量。另一方面，在文化上，拉丁文化比盎格鲁-日耳曼文化更广泛，尽管这不是一个很大的差距，当你考虑到英国和美国过去和现在在世界上的影响时，这似乎表明"野蛮人"更倾向于采用罗马文化和制度，而不是相反的。
因此，在我看来，罗马即使在衰落中，也比公元5至9世纪的各种日耳曼王国更有影响力。
Adrian Rios
Copious records? Do you mean stuff like tax receipts, reports on grain shipments, and other bureaucratic records?
We probably just haven't discovered other documents yet, given the economic situation Iran has been under for the past several decades, I can't imagine archeological work is one of their top priorities.
The same situation happened in China, ever since their economic boom archaeologists have been making more and more discoveries. It seems to have especially accelerated in the post-2010 years.
This is why I'm pretty excited for archeology in Asia, in many ways you can say its just beginning, as nations develop their states can shift more resources to archeological work.
大量的记录？你是指像税收收据、粮食运输报告和其他官僚记录这样的东西吗？
我们可能只是还没有发现其他文件，鉴于伊朗在过去几十年的经济状况，我无法想象考古工作会是他们的首要任务之一。
同样的情况也发生在中国，自从他们的经济繁荣以来，考古学家的发现越来越多。在2010年之后的几年里，这种情况似乎尤其加速了。
这就是为什么我对亚洲的考古学感到非常兴奋，在很多方面你可以说它刚刚开始，随着国家的发展，他们的国家可以将更多的资源转移到考古工作上。
Copious records? Do you mean stuff like tax receipts, reports on grain shipments, and other bureaucratic records?
We probably just haven't discovered other documents yet, given the economic situation Iran has been under for the past several decades, I can't imagine archeological work is one of their top priorities.
The same situation happened in China, ever since their economic boom archaeologists have been making more and more discoveries. It seems to have especially accelerated in the post-2010 years.
This is why I'm pretty excited for archeology in Asia, in many ways you can say its just beginning, as nations develop their states can shift more resources to archeological work.
大量的记录？你是指像税收收据、粮食运输报告和其他官僚记录这样的东西吗？
我们可能只是还没有发现其他文件，鉴于伊朗在过去几十年的经济状况，我无法想象考古工作会是他们的首要任务之一。
同样的情况也发生在中国，自从他们的经济繁荣以来，考古学家的发现越来越多。在2010年之后的几年里，这种情况似乎尤其加速了。
这就是为什么我对亚洲的考古学感到非常兴奋，在很多方面你可以说它刚刚开始，随着国家的发展，他们的国家可以将更多的资源转移到考古工作上。
Sean Martin Fear
Yes. Such records can tell us much, but not how people saw themselves and neighbours.
Obviously, I’d be very excited if actual literature, histories, plays, poetry, from this period began to emerge.
是的，这样的记录可以告诉我们很多，但不包括人们如何看待自己和邻居。
所以如果这一时期的实际文献、历史、戏剧、诗歌开始被发现，我会非常兴奋。
Yes. Such records can tell us much, but not how people saw themselves and neighbours.
Obviously, I’d be very excited if actual literature, histories, plays, poetry, from this period began to emerge.
是的，这样的记录可以告诉我们很多，但不包括人们如何看待自己和邻居。
所以如果这一时期的实际文献、历史、戏剧、诗歌开始被发现，我会非常兴奋。
Vishnujana Dasa
Good sum but personas nonetheless did deport, genocide cities, and enslave. The person e Perot planned to deport and enslave all of Athens to his capital in Persepolis. As a result the Persian wars (or the Greek wars form Persian perspective) happened.
很好的总结，但人们确实被驱逐，有过种族灭绝的城市，还有奴役。e Perot这个人计划将整个雅典人驱赶到他在波斯波利斯的首都并奴役他们。结果发生了波希战争（或从波斯角度看希腊战争）。
Good sum but personas nonetheless did deport, genocide cities, and enslave. The person e Perot planned to deport and enslave all of Athens to his capital in Persepolis. As a result the Persian wars (or the Greek wars form Persian perspective) happened.
很好的总结，但人们确实被驱逐，有过种族灭绝的城市，还有奴役。e Perot这个人计划将整个雅典人驱赶到他在波斯波利斯的首都并奴役他们。结果发生了波希战争（或从波斯角度看希腊战争）。
Chengez Hussaini
Persians have an earlier history in the pioneering of both wrestling and chess, to name a few.
波斯人在作为摔跤和象棋的先驱方面有着很早的历史。
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Persians have an earlier history in the pioneering of both wrestling and chess, to name a few.
波斯人在作为摔跤和象棋的先驱方面有着很早的历史。
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Ranga Maringanti
Chess came from India. Wrestling seems like a normal human activity, nothing special. Even tribals do wrestling.
国际象棋来自印度。摔跤似乎是一种普通的人类活动，没什么特别的。即使是部落民也会摔跤。
Chess came from India. Wrestling seems like a normal human activity, nothing special. Even tribals do wrestling.
国际象棋来自印度。摔跤似乎是一种普通的人类活动，没什么特别的。即使是部落民也会摔跤。
Chengez Hussaini
Chess was popularized and modified by the Persians as the modern game closely resembles that of their version (at least in my eyes). Equal credit deserved.
Wrestling is a martial art, and as a martial art, one of its earliest developers were Persians. Only martial artists can understand.
Thank you my Bhaiyya.
国际象棋是由波斯人推广和修改的，因为现代的版本与他们的版本非常相似（至少在我看来）。应有的同等功劳。
摔跤是一种技击，而作为一种技击，其最早的开发者之一是波斯人。只有武术家才能理解。
谢谢，我的印度朋友。
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Chess was popularized and modified by the Persians as the modern game closely resembles that of their version (at least in my eyes). Equal credit deserved.
Wrestling is a martial art, and as a martial art, one of its earliest developers were Persians. Only martial artists can understand.
Thank you my Bhaiyya.
国际象棋是由波斯人推广和修改的，因为现代的版本与他们的版本非常相似（至少在我看来）。应有的同等功劳。
摔跤是一种技击，而作为一种技击，其最早的开发者之一是波斯人。只有武术家才能理解。
谢谢，我的印度朋友。
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Yazidi Obrian
ranga, the very first ppl who invented board games would be the egyptains, so the main credit would go to them, but chess is a very popular game,
最早发明棋盘游戏的人是埃及人，所以主要的功劳应该归于他们，但国际象棋是一个非常流行的游戏。
ranga, the very first ppl who invented board games would be the egyptains, so the main credit would go to them, but chess is a very popular game,
最早发明棋盘游戏的人是埃及人，所以主要的功劳应该归于他们，但国际象棋是一个非常流行的游戏。
D Mg
As to religious tolerance, Darius was a fervent Zoroastrian, and instigated a ‘holy war' on those who were adherents of ‘the lie'(false gods and demons) This was practically unheard of in those times as conquerors were respectfully fearful of offending foreign gods, and monotheism was an utterly alien concept.
As I'm sure you know, Zoroastrianism was the precursor of monotheism, and the template that 2nd temple Judaism would model itself on.
说到宗教宽容，大流士是一个狂热的拜火教徒，他对那些信奉"谎言"（假神和魔鬼）的信徒发动了一场"圣战"。这在那个时代几乎是闻所未闻的，因为征服者对冒犯外国神灵心存敬畏，而一神教是一个完全陌生的概念。
我相信你知道，琐罗亚斯德教是一神教的先驱，也是第二圣殿犹太教的模版。
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As to religious tolerance, Darius was a fervent Zoroastrian, and instigated a ‘holy war' on those who were adherents of ‘the lie'(false gods and demons) This was practically unheard of in those times as conquerors were respectfully fearful of offending foreign gods, and monotheism was an utterly alien concept.
As I'm sure you know, Zoroastrianism was the precursor of monotheism, and the template that 2nd temple Judaism would model itself on.
说到宗教宽容，大流士是一个狂热的拜火教徒，他对那些信奉"谎言"（假神和魔鬼）的信徒发动了一场"圣战"。这在那个时代几乎是闻所未闻的，因为征服者对冒犯外国神灵心存敬畏，而一神教是一个完全陌生的概念。
我相信你知道，琐罗亚斯德教是一神教的先驱，也是第二圣殿犹太教的模版。
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Sean Martin Fear
The Jews were free to worship Yahweh, the Egyptians, their own pantheon, the Babylonians Marduk etc. in Persian times. Zoroastrianism is not, strictly speaking, a monotheistic religion, but rather dualistic.
I would dispute your descxtion of other conquerors. The Babylonians destroyed the first temple in Jerusalem. The Assyrians famously bragged of the destruction of temples, proof positive that that the gods of the vanquished had failed them.
犹太人可以自由地崇拜耶和华，埃及人可以自由地崇拜自己的万神殿，巴比伦人可以自由地崇拜马杜克等等，在波斯时代。严格来说，琐罗亚斯德教不是一神教，而是二元教。
我对你对其他征服者的描述提出异议。巴比伦人摧毁了耶路撒冷的第一座圣殿。亚述人以摧毁神庙而闻名，这证明被征服者的神灵对他们来说一无是处。
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The Jews were free to worship Yahweh, the Egyptians, their own pantheon, the Babylonians Marduk etc. in Persian times. Zoroastrianism is not, strictly speaking, a monotheistic religion, but rather dualistic.
I would dispute your descxtion of other conquerors. The Babylonians destroyed the first temple in Jerusalem. The Assyrians famously bragged of the destruction of temples, proof positive that that the gods of the vanquished had failed them.
犹太人可以自由地崇拜耶和华，埃及人可以自由地崇拜自己的万神殿，巴比伦人可以自由地崇拜马杜克等等，在波斯时代。严格来说，琐罗亚斯德教不是一神教，而是二元教。
我对你对其他征服者的描述提出异议。巴比伦人摧毁了耶路撒冷的第一座圣殿。亚述人以摧毁神庙而闻名，这证明被征服者的神灵对他们来说一无是处。
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Daniel Schwartz
300 is a graphic novel brought to live-action. On other words, it's a glorified comic book.
And why are the Greeks are so muscular and beautiful, while the Persians ugly monsters? Because it's a story to rouse the troops before the Battle of Plataea!
In short, the whole movie is a propaganda piece — a pro-Spartan propaganda piece. (You'll note that the non-Spartan Greeks don't fare that well in the movie either.)
If you want a fictional account of Thermopylae that's rather closer to the historical account, read Stephen Pressfield's Gates Of Fire. I highly recommend it. (By the way, it has a much more sympathetic portrayal of Persians too.)
300勇士是一部真人版的漫画小说。换句话说，它是一本美化的漫画书。
为什么希腊人的肌肉发达而美丽，而波斯人则是丑陋的怪物？因为这是一个在普拉塔亚战役前激励军队的故事
简而言之，整部电影就是一个宣传片--一个支持斯巴达的宣传片。(你会注意到，非斯巴达的希腊人在电影中的表现也不是很好）。
如果你想了解一个比较接近历史记载的关于 塞莫皮莱的虚构故事，请阅读斯蒂芬-普雷斯菲尔德的《火之门》。我强烈推荐这本书(顺便说一句，它对波斯人的描述也更有同情心）。
300 is a graphic novel brought to live-action. On other words, it's a glorified comic book.
And why are the Greeks are so muscular and beautiful, while the Persians ugly monsters? Because it's a story to rouse the troops before the Battle of Plataea!
In short, the whole movie is a propaganda piece — a pro-Spartan propaganda piece. (You'll note that the non-Spartan Greeks don't fare that well in the movie either.)
If you want a fictional account of Thermopylae that's rather closer to the historical account, read Stephen Pressfield's Gates Of Fire. I highly recommend it. (By the way, it has a much more sympathetic portrayal of Persians too.)
300勇士是一部真人版的漫画小说。换句话说，它是一本美化的漫画书。
为什么希腊人的肌肉发达而美丽，而波斯人则是丑陋的怪物？因为这是一个在普拉塔亚战役前激励军队的故事
简而言之，整部电影就是一个宣传片--一个支持斯巴达的宣传片。(你会注意到，非斯巴达的希腊人在电影中的表现也不是很好）。
如果你想了解一个比较接近历史记载的关于 塞莫皮莱的虚构故事，请阅读斯蒂芬-普雷斯菲尔德的《火之门》。我强烈推荐这本书(顺便说一句，它对波斯人的描述也更有同情心）。
Amir Davis
You’re right, it was a propaganda piece, but the asshats yelling “fuck ya!” at the end of the movie weren’t young Spartan warriors being recruited for Palatea. Mind you, the theatre was dark, so I may be mistaken, but they looked an aweful lot like white right-wing Americans being whipped up into “Clash of Civilizations” frenzy to buff the Army’s recruiting quota for the war in Iraq. It was 2007 after all. Full marks for seeing it for what it was (propaganda) but I think you’re missing it for the cynical and disgusting hate-mongering piece of turd that it was.
你说得对，这是一部宣传片，但电影结尾处大喊"去你妈的"的混蛋们并不是为普拉塔亚之战招募的年轻斯巴达战士。提醒你一下，电影院里很暗，所以我可能搞错了，但他们看起来非常像被激起"文明冲突"的狂热的美国右翼白人，用以填补军队在伊拉克战争中的招募配额。这毕竟是2007年。你能看到它的本质（宣传），这给你打了满分，但我认为你忽略了它的愤世嫉俗和令人作呕的煽动仇恨的垃圾。
You’re right, it was a propaganda piece, but the asshats yelling “fuck ya!” at the end of the movie weren’t young Spartan warriors being recruited for Palatea. Mind you, the theatre was dark, so I may be mistaken, but they looked an aweful lot like white right-wing Americans being whipped up into “Clash of Civilizations” frenzy to buff the Army’s recruiting quota for the war in Iraq. It was 2007 after all. Full marks for seeing it for what it was (propaganda) but I think you’re missing it for the cynical and disgusting hate-mongering piece of turd that it was.
你说得对，这是一部宣传片，但电影结尾处大喊"去你妈的"的混蛋们并不是为普拉塔亚之战招募的年轻斯巴达战士。提醒你一下，电影院里很暗，所以我可能搞错了，但他们看起来非常像被激起"文明冲突"的狂热的美国右翼白人，用以填补军队在伊拉克战争中的招募配额。这毕竟是2007年。你能看到它的本质（宣传），这给你打了满分，但我认为你忽略了它的愤世嫉俗和令人作呕的煽动仇恨的垃圾。
Daniel Schwartz
Are you making the claim that 300 was intended to be an American propaganda film? I’ve watched the movie several times, and I don’t see that at all.
Nor do I think your delightfully profane fellow-movie-watchers thought it was. As several movie critics have said about 300, it was one of the very few military-themed movies of the time that celebrated warriors as warriors. I have heard that many American soldiers, and those who supported them, got sick of seeing movies that portrayed soldiers as assassins without honor.
Everybody likes to be portrayed as the good guy now and then. Soldiers do get well-deserved recognition now and then… but in 2007, recognition from Hollywood was hard to find.
As for the portrayal of the Persians, well, personally I found the 7-foot-tall heavily-pierced Xerxes-in-a-diaper hard to take seriously. I saw this as the flip side of the Spartans. Xerxes certainly didn’t look like that; the historical Spartans certainly didn’t all have bodybuilder physiques either. As I said, it’s a comic book.
Some people like comic books. Others don’t.
你是在宣称300勇士其实是在成为一部美国宣传片吗？我已经看了好几遍这部电影，我完全没有看到这一点。
我也不认为那些觉得这是部好电影的电影观察者们认为它是。正如几位影评人对300勇士的评价，它是当时为数不多的以军事为主题，把战士当作战士来赞美的电影之一。我听说许多美国士兵，以及支持他们的人，厌倦了看到那些将士兵描绘成没有荣誉的刺客的电影。
每个人都喜欢时不时地被描绘成好人。士兵们确实时常得到当之无愧的认可......但在2007年，很难找到来自好莱坞的认可。
至于对波斯人的描写，我个人认为，身高7英尺、穿着厚厚孔洞、戴着纸尿裤的薛西斯的样子很难让人认真对待。我把这看作是斯巴达人的诋毁。薛西斯当然不是那样的人；历史上的斯巴达人当然也不是都有健美运动员的体格。正如我所说，这是一本漫画书。
有些人喜欢漫画书。其他人则不喜欢。
Are you making the claim that 300 was intended to be an American propaganda film? I’ve watched the movie several times, and I don’t see that at all.
Nor do I think your delightfully profane fellow-movie-watchers thought it was. As several movie critics have said about 300, it was one of the very few military-themed movies of the time that celebrated warriors as warriors. I have heard that many American soldiers, and those who supported them, got sick of seeing movies that portrayed soldiers as assassins without honor.
Everybody likes to be portrayed as the good guy now and then. Soldiers do get well-deserved recognition now and then… but in 2007, recognition from Hollywood was hard to find.
As for the portrayal of the Persians, well, personally I found the 7-foot-tall heavily-pierced Xerxes-in-a-diaper hard to take seriously. I saw this as the flip side of the Spartans. Xerxes certainly didn’t look like that; the historical Spartans certainly didn’t all have bodybuilder physiques either. As I said, it’s a comic book.
Some people like comic books. Others don’t.
你是在宣称300勇士其实是在成为一部美国宣传片吗？我已经看了好几遍这部电影，我完全没有看到这一点。
我也不认为那些觉得这是部好电影的电影观察者们认为它是。正如几位影评人对300勇士的评价，它是当时为数不多的以军事为主题，把战士当作战士来赞美的电影之一。我听说许多美国士兵，以及支持他们的人，厌倦了看到那些将士兵描绘成没有荣誉的刺客的电影。
每个人都喜欢时不时地被描绘成好人。士兵们确实时常得到当之无愧的认可......但在2007年，很难找到来自好莱坞的认可。
至于对波斯人的描写，我个人认为，身高7英尺、穿着厚厚孔洞、戴着纸尿裤的薛西斯的样子很难让人认真对待。我把这看作是斯巴达人的诋毁。薛西斯当然不是那样的人；历史上的斯巴达人当然也不是都有健美运动员的体格。正如我所说，这是一本漫画书。
有些人喜欢漫画书。其他人则不喜欢。
Sencer Apaydın
Well, Borat was intended to make fun of the American ignorance on foreign countries but it resulted in people mocking Kazakh's.
Same could be said about the 300 movie, the original aim might have been to depict this fun little Spartan propaganda-piece but we all know it resulted in a lot more people getting the wrong impression on Persian's than actually understanding the movie and not forming negative views on them.
好吧，就像《波拉特》的本意是为了取笑美国人对外国的无知，但结果却是导致人们嘲笑哈萨克人。
300勇士也是如此，最初的目的可能是描述这个有趣的小斯巴达宣传片，但我们都知道它导致更多的人对波斯人产生错误的印象，而不是真正理解这部电影，不去对他们形成负面看法。
（《波拉特：为建设伟大祖国哈萨克斯坦而学习美国文化》是一部于2006年上映的喜剧电影，此电影为英国与美国联合制片，由英国喜剧演员沙查·巴隆·科恩饰演。该片以伪纪录片的形式，讲述了哈萨克斯坦记者“波拉特”在美国的旅行故事。）
Well, Borat was intended to make fun of the American ignorance on foreign countries but it resulted in people mocking Kazakh's.
Same could be said about the 300 movie, the original aim might have been to depict this fun little Spartan propaganda-piece but we all know it resulted in a lot more people getting the wrong impression on Persian's than actually understanding the movie and not forming negative views on them.
好吧，就像《波拉特》的本意是为了取笑美国人对外国的无知，但结果却是导致人们嘲笑哈萨克人。
300勇士也是如此，最初的目的可能是描述这个有趣的小斯巴达宣传片，但我们都知道它导致更多的人对波斯人产生错误的印象，而不是真正理解这部电影，不去对他们形成负面看法。
（《波拉特：为建设伟大祖国哈萨克斯坦而学习美国文化》是一部于2006年上映的喜剧电影，此电影为英国与美国联合制片，由英国喜剧演员沙查·巴隆·科恩饰演。该片以伪纪录片的形式，讲述了哈萨克斯坦记者“波拉特”在美国的旅行故事。）
Elen Mavridou
Persian civilization was among the great civilizations of all times throughout history that contributed to so many aspects of human activities like administration,connecting cities through a very ahead of its time net of roads, tolerance and acceptance of people regardless of their ethnicity etc. After the conquest of the east the Greek civilization came to adapt quite enough elements of Persian civilization. Being Greek myself I always find Persian history very interesting and fashinating.
波斯文明是历史上最伟大的文明之一，它为人类活动的许多方面做出了贡献，如行政管理、通过非常超前的道路网连接城市、容忍和接受不同种族的人等等。在征服了东方之后，希腊文明适应了波斯文明中相当多的元素。作为希腊人，我总是觉得波斯的历史非常有趣，很有吸引力。
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Persian civilization was among the great civilizations of all times throughout history that contributed to so many aspects of human activities like administration,connecting cities through a very ahead of its time net of roads, tolerance and acceptance of people regardless of their ethnicity etc. After the conquest of the east the Greek civilization came to adapt quite enough elements of Persian civilization. Being Greek myself I always find Persian history very interesting and fashinating.
波斯文明是历史上最伟大的文明之一，它为人类活动的许多方面做出了贡献，如行政管理、通过非常超前的道路网连接城市、容忍和接受不同种族的人等等。在征服了东方之后，希腊文明适应了波斯文明中相当多的元素。作为希腊人，我总是觉得波斯的历史非常有趣，很有吸引力。
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William Penn
the greeks never conquered the East, lmao. Nice try slipping your propaganda in there.
希腊人从未征服过东方好吧，笑死我了。不错的尝试，把你的宣传偷偷塞进来。
the greeks never conquered the East, lmao. Nice try slipping your propaganda in there.
希腊人从未征服过东方好吧，笑死我了。不错的尝试，把你的宣传偷偷塞进来。
Tim Brennan
I have to say off that sounds like a straw Man question. . anyone who claims the Persians were not a great civilization should be ignored because they don't know what they were talking about
我不得不说，这听起来像是一个故意立个靶子打的问题。任何声称波斯不是一个伟大文明的人都应该被无视，因为他们不知道自己在说什么。
I have to say off that sounds like a straw Man question. . anyone who claims the Persians were not a great civilization should be ignored because they don't know what they were talking about
我不得不说，这听起来像是一个故意立个靶子打的问题。任何声称波斯不是一个伟大文明的人都应该被无视，因为他们不知道自己在说什么。
Michael L. Best
As history teacher, let me just say that teacher probably needs to rethink their profession.
作为历史老师，我只想说，这个老师可能需要重新考虑他的职业。
As history teacher, let me just say that teacher probably needs to rethink their profession.
作为历史老师，我只想说，这个老师可能需要重新考虑他的职业。
Juan Ignacio Jimenez
In my god forsaken neck of the woods (Chile), in history class in high class… we actually learnt about ancient Persia. Granted, not a lot (I think ancient history was 1/3 all ancient middle east, 1/3 ancient greeks and 1/3 romans), but they were taught
在我那片被上帝抛弃的树林的脖子里（智利），在高中的历史课上......我们实际上学到了古波斯的知识。当然，不是很多（我认为古代史有1/3都是古代中东，1/3是古希腊，1/3是罗马人），但他们确实会教
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In my god forsaken neck of the woods (Chile), in history class in high class… we actually learnt about ancient Persia. Granted, not a lot (I think ancient history was 1/3 all ancient middle east, 1/3 ancient greeks and 1/3 romans), but they were taught
在我那片被上帝抛弃的树林的脖子里（智利），在高中的历史课上......我们实际上学到了古波斯的知识。当然，不是很多（我认为古代史有1/3都是古代中东，1/3是古希腊，1/3是罗马人），但他们确实会教
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Darío Burstin
I don't want to defend the teacher's comment, but we have to admit that Europe does see itself as directly descended from Rome and Greece and that's why european influenced curricula put a lot more focus on those cultures. And even though any educated person knows that Persia had a huge influence in the modern world, a lot of that influence comes to us mediated by the Roman and Arab empires.
我不想为这位老师的评论辩护，但我们必须承认，欧洲确实认为自己是罗马和希腊的直接后裔，这就是为什么受欧洲影响的课程更注重这些文化。即使任何受过教育的人都知道波斯对现代世界有巨大的影响，但这种影响很多都是通过罗马和阿拉伯帝国为中介来到我们身边。
I don't want to defend the teacher's comment, but we have to admit that Europe does see itself as directly descended from Rome and Greece and that's why european influenced curricula put a lot more focus on those cultures. And even though any educated person knows that Persia had a huge influence in the modern world, a lot of that influence comes to us mediated by the Roman and Arab empires.
我不想为这位老师的评论辩护，但我们必须承认，欧洲确实认为自己是罗马和希腊的直接后裔，这就是为什么受欧洲影响的课程更注重这些文化。即使任何受过教育的人都知道波斯对现代世界有巨大的影响，但这种影响很多都是通过罗马和阿拉伯帝国为中介来到我们身边。
Ralph Browning
I think it’s fair to say anyone would prefer to be a subject of the Persian empire than a spartan, let alone a slave under the Spartans. The Spartans were a cruel militaristic society. The Persians way more benign.
我认为可以说，任何人都更愿意成为波斯帝国的臣民，而不是斯巴达人，更不用说成为斯巴达人手下的奴隶。斯巴达人是一个残酷的军国主义社会。而波斯人则更为仁慈。
I think it’s fair to say anyone would prefer to be a subject of the Persian empire than a spartan, let alone a slave under the Spartans. The Spartans were a cruel militaristic society. The Persians way more benign.
我认为可以说，任何人都更愿意成为波斯帝国的臣民，而不是斯巴达人，更不用说成为斯巴达人手下的奴隶。斯巴达人是一个残酷的军国主义社会。而波斯人则更为仁慈。
William Smith
The same thing is applicable even to WWII. If you want get closer to an obxtive opinion you must put a lot of effort into studying history from many sources. People are not willing do that and a biased version might be good enought for many of them.
同样的事情甚至适用于二战。如果你想更接近一个客观的意见，你必须投入大量的精力，从许多来源种研究历史。人们并不愿意这样做，对他们中的许多人来说，一个有偏见的版本可能就足够了。
The same thing is applicable even to WWII. If you want get closer to an obxtive opinion you must put a lot of effort into studying history from many sources. People are not willing do that and a biased version might be good enought for many of them.
同样的事情甚至适用于二战。如果你想更接近一个客观的意见，你必须投入大量的精力，从许多来源种研究历史。人们并不愿意这样做，对他们中的许多人来说，一个有偏见的版本可能就足够了。
Fran Raymol
Al Khwarizmi was a middle ages persian. The word algorithm comes from his name. That's enough contribution?
On the other hand, spartans did not contribute anything to modern world, except perhaps that the nazis were inspired by them, as the nazis wanted to treat slavs in the same way spartans treated helots. I would prefer to be a subject of the persian King before a helot in Sparta.
Al Khwarizmi是一位中世纪的波斯人。算法这个词来自他的名字。这算是贡献吗？
另一方面，斯巴达人对现代世界没有任何贡献，也许纳粹受到了他们的启发，因为纳粹想以斯巴达人对待奴隶的方式对待奴隶。我宁愿做波斯国王的臣民，也不愿做斯巴达的奴隶。
Al Khwarizmi was a middle ages persian. The word algorithm comes from his name. That's enough contribution?
On the other hand, spartans did not contribute anything to modern world, except perhaps that the nazis were inspired by them, as the nazis wanted to treat slavs in the same way spartans treated helots. I would prefer to be a subject of the persian King before a helot in Sparta.
Al Khwarizmi是一位中世纪的波斯人。算法这个词来自他的名字。这算是贡献吗？
另一方面，斯巴达人对现代世界没有任何贡献，也许纳粹受到了他们的启发，因为纳粹想以斯巴达人对待奴隶的方式对待奴隶。我宁愿做波斯国王的臣民，也不愿做斯巴达的奴隶。
Soteris Vassiliou
This is so biased and certainly untrue about Sparta!!! Apparently your knowledge of Ancient Greek history and Sparta’s contribution to the Greek civilization being the purest example of “the Dorian Spirit and way of life”. INVALUABLE for those who can understand and appreciate Doricism!!!! Several of the most important classical philosophers at the time, considered the “Spartan System” superior to the Athenian Democracy that could degenerate sometimes into anarchy and the rule the by ignorant mobs!!!!! As for Nazism, Fascism and the the likes they are inventions that occurred in modern history, with a racist and totalitarian character, a total distortion of what they interpreted as “Spartan”. Not unlike a misinterpretation of much of the TRUTHS inside the Greek Philosophy and that which is known as “the Greek Spirit”. Η Ειρήνη ας είναι μαζύ σας (May peace be with you)…….
你这说的太有偏见了，而且对斯巴达来说肯定是不真实的！! 显然，你就是那种对古希腊历史的了解和认为斯巴达对希腊文明的贡献只是"多里安精神和生活方式"的最典型的例子。对于那些能够理解和欣赏多里安精神的人来说，其作用是不可估量的!!!! 当时最重要的几位古典哲学家都认为"斯巴达制度"要优于雅典民主制，后者有时会退化为无政府状态和无知的暴民统治!!!!!至于纳粹主义、法西斯主义和类似的东西，它们是现代史的发明，具有种族主义和极权主义的特征，完全扭曲了他们对"斯巴达"的解释。这与对希腊哲学和被称为"希腊精神"的许多真理的曲解并不一样。愿和平与你同在.......
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This is so biased and certainly untrue about Sparta!!! Apparently your knowledge of Ancient Greek history and Sparta’s contribution to the Greek civilization being the purest example of “the Dorian Spirit and way of life”. INVALUABLE for those who can understand and appreciate Doricism!!!! Several of the most important classical philosophers at the time, considered the “Spartan System” superior to the Athenian Democracy that could degenerate sometimes into anarchy and the rule the by ignorant mobs!!!!! As for Nazism, Fascism and the the likes they are inventions that occurred in modern history, with a racist and totalitarian character, a total distortion of what they interpreted as “Spartan”. Not unlike a misinterpretation of much of the TRUTHS inside the Greek Philosophy and that which is known as “the Greek Spirit”. Η Ειρήνη ας είναι μαζύ σας (May peace be with you)…….
你这说的太有偏见了，而且对斯巴达来说肯定是不真实的！! 显然，你就是那种对古希腊历史的了解和认为斯巴达对希腊文明的贡献只是"多里安精神和生活方式"的最典型的例子。对于那些能够理解和欣赏多里安精神的人来说，其作用是不可估量的!!!! 当时最重要的几位古典哲学家都认为"斯巴达制度"要优于雅典民主制，后者有时会退化为无政府状态和无知的暴民统治!!!!!至于纳粹主义、法西斯主义和类似的东西，它们是现代史的发明，具有种族主义和极权主义的特征，完全扭曲了他们对"斯巴达"的解释。这与对希腊哲学和被称为"希腊精神"的许多真理的曲解并不一样。愿和平与你同在.......
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Sasha Gacesa
As far as I know they were the only one defended themselves from Romans successfully ever. This single thing should be enough to make them a legend, apart from their great and spectacular civilization.
据我所知，他们是有史以来唯一一个成功地从罗马人手中保卫了自己的国家。除了他们伟大而壮观的文明之外，这一点应该足以使他们成为一个传奇。
As far as I know they were the only one defended themselves from Romans successfully ever. This single thing should be enough to make them a legend, apart from their great and spectacular civilization.
据我所知，他们是有史以来唯一一个成功地从罗马人手中保卫了自己的国家。除了他们伟大而壮观的文明之外，这一点应该足以使他们成为一个传奇。
Zohar Hirshfeld
This is not an answer with a single fact… would have been great to simply list a few inventions, which contributed to human kind, or just science…
这不是一个罗列事实的答案......如果能简单地列出一些波斯对人类有贡献的发明，或者是科学，会更好。
This is not an answer with a single fact… would have been great to simply list a few inventions, which contributed to human kind, or just science…
这不是一个罗列事实的答案......如果能简单地列出一些波斯对人类有贡献的发明，或者是科学，会更好。
Tychi Kalipso
They developed the first postal service, wrote a charter on civil rights, maintained stability and peace over a vast territory containing many different peoples, they were tolerant of other cultures and religions, built roads and enabled trade.
他们发展了第一个邮政服务，撰写了关于公民权利的宪章，在包含许多不同民族的广阔领土上维持稳定与和平，他们对其他文化和宗教持宽容态度，修建道路并促成贸易。
They developed the first postal service, wrote a charter on civil rights, maintained stability and peace over a vast territory containing many different peoples, they were tolerant of other cultures and religions, built roads and enabled trade.
他们发展了第一个邮政服务，撰写了关于公民权利的宪章，在包含许多不同民族的广阔领土上维持稳定与和平，他们对其他文化和宗教持宽容态度，修建道路并促成贸易。
Kristijan Grgić
In my school in Croatia we were learning a lot about Persia. Well as much as one can in public high school. We learned Cyrus the Great was a visionary who allowed different ethnic groups and religious groups to co exist together
在我位于克罗地亚的学校里，我们学习了很多关于波斯的知识。就像在公立高中一样多。我们了解到居鲁士大帝是一位有远见的人，他允许不同的民族和宗教团体共同存在。
In my school in Croatia we were learning a lot about Persia. Well as much as one can in public high school. We learned Cyrus the Great was a visionary who allowed different ethnic groups and religious groups to co exist together
在我位于克罗地亚的学校里，我们学习了很多关于波斯的知识。就像在公立高中一样多。我们了解到居鲁士大帝是一位有远见的人，他允许不同的民族和宗教团体共同存在。
Adrian Martinez
If your going to answer a question about whether Persia contributed anything to modern history, you should describe some actual historical contributions. Just saying.
如果你要回答一个关于波斯是否对现代历史有贡献的问题，你应该描述一些实际的历史贡献。
If your going to answer a question about whether Persia contributed anything to modern history, you should describe some actual historical contributions. Just saying.
如果你要回答一个关于波斯是否对现代历史有贡献的问题，你应该描述一些实际的历史贡献。
Shayn McCallum
, I am a perennial student of history.
Wow, your teacher must be a real bumpkin! Where the hell did they learn their “history”?
The Persians were one of the most influential Empires in history. Their realm stretched from parts of India and Central Asia to Greece and they operated trade routes that went all the way to China. The Greeks themselves, under Alexander, heavily adopted aspects of Persian statecraft and culture and the Zoroastrian religion is believed to have had a subtle, but huge effect on the Abrahamic religions. Modern Christianity is partly Mithraism in disguise, a fact that becomes strikingly apparent when you read the story of Mithra.
İn any case, the Persian influence on history was massive and endured for millennia. The claim that the Persians “really contributed nothing to the modern world” is so far beyond ignorant, it’s embarrassing and anyone claiming to be a teacher of history who says such a thing should hand back their certificates and get another job.
哇，你的老师一定是个真正的土包子！他们的"历史"到底是在哪里学的？
波斯人是历史上最有影响力的帝国之一。他们的疆域从印度和中亚的部分地区延伸到希腊，他们经营的贸易路线一直延伸到中国。希腊人自己，在亚历山大的领导下，大量采用了波斯人的国策和文化，而拜火教被认为对亚伯拉罕宗教产生了微妙但巨大的影响。现代基督教部分是伪装的密特拉教，当你阅读密特拉的故事时，这一事实就变得非常明显。
无论如何，波斯人对历史的影响是巨大的，并且持续了几千年。声称波斯人"对现代世界没有任何贡献"的说法远远超出了无知的范畴，令人尴尬，任何自称是历史老师的人都应该交回他们的证书，另谋高就。
, I am a perennial student of history.
Wow, your teacher must be a real bumpkin! Where the hell did they learn their “history”?
The Persians were one of the most influential Empires in history. Their realm stretched from parts of India and Central Asia to Greece and they operated trade routes that went all the way to China. The Greeks themselves, under Alexander, heavily adopted aspects of Persian statecraft and culture and the Zoroastrian religion is believed to have had a subtle, but huge effect on the Abrahamic religions. Modern Christianity is partly Mithraism in disguise, a fact that becomes strikingly apparent when you read the story of Mithra.
İn any case, the Persian influence on history was massive and endured for millennia. The claim that the Persians “really contributed nothing to the modern world” is so far beyond ignorant, it’s embarrassing and anyone claiming to be a teacher of history who says such a thing should hand back their certificates and get another job.
哇，你的老师一定是个真正的土包子！他们的"历史"到底是在哪里学的？
波斯人是历史上最有影响力的帝国之一。他们的疆域从印度和中亚的部分地区延伸到希腊，他们经营的贸易路线一直延伸到中国。希腊人自己，在亚历山大的领导下，大量采用了波斯人的国策和文化，而拜火教被认为对亚伯拉罕宗教产生了微妙但巨大的影响。现代基督教部分是伪装的密特拉教，当你阅读密特拉的故事时，这一事实就变得非常明显。
无论如何，波斯人对历史的影响是巨大的，并且持续了几千年。声称波斯人"对现代世界没有任何贡献"的说法远远超出了无知的范畴，令人尴尬，任何自称是历史老师的人都应该交回他们的证书，另谋高就。
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