像俄罗斯这样的强国的经济规模比美国的一个州还小,这是荒谬的。俄罗斯拥有强大的精英武装力量,应该受到所有人的敬畏。为什么北约国家会认为俄罗斯军队是小丑呢?
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像俄罗斯这样的强国的经济规模比美国的一个州还小,这是荒谬的。俄罗斯拥有强大的精英武装力量,应该受到所有人的敬畏。为什么北约国家会认为俄罗斯军队是小丑呢?

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Benjamin Muller
You ever know a meal team 6 type? Dude who never served, out of shape(usually significantly out of shape), the extent of his military ‘experience’ has come from watching hollywood action movies, playing video games, and maybe did paintball or soft air once or twice(and sucked at it because they were so out of shape)…. but they bought themselves some nice guns. So they own some nice hardware, and talk like they’re a badass.

你有没有遇到过“暴食小队6”类型的人?从来没有服役过的家伙,身材走样(通常明显走样),他的军事“经验”仅来自于观看好莱坞动作电影、玩视频游戏,也许偶尔打过一两次彩弹或软气枪(因为他们身材走样,所以表现糟糕)……但他们买了一些好枪。所以他们拥有一些好硬件,说话的口气就像自己是个硬汉。

Russia is the nation equivalent of that. Do they have some elite forces? Yep. Do they have some interesting hardware? Yep. But on the whole, they’re not a badass nation, they are not the world power they carry themselves as being. They are mostly out of shape and don’t have the first clue when it comes to modern military strategy. They have to threaten with nukes all the time because in a conventional war with the west, they don’t have a prayer in hell. It would be a quick one sided defeat of the ages. Because it’s not enough to have some nice hardware and elite soldiers, you have to know how to use them, and Russia simply doesn’t. Like Meal Team 6 with their military hardware, they’re simply no match for those who do.

俄罗斯就相当于那样的国家。他们有一些精英部队吗?有。他们有一些有趣的硬件吗?有。但总的来说,他们不是一个硬汉国家,他们并不是他们自认为的世界强国。他们大多数人身材走样,对现代军事战略一窍不通。他们不得不一直以核武器威胁,因为在与西方的常规战争中,他们根本毫无胜算。那将是一个迅速的世纪性失败。因为仅仅拥有一些好硬件和精英士兵是不够的,你必须知道如何使用它们,而俄罗斯显然不知道。就像“暴食小队6”拥有军事硬件一样,他们根本不是那些知道如何使用的人的对手。

Gareth Lewis
Why do NATO countries think the Russian military are clowns?

为什么北约国家认为俄罗斯军队是小丑?

Elite paratroopers sent in to secure an airfield… wiped out by the local militia.

精英伞兵被派去保护一个机场……被当地民兵歼灭。

40km long resupply convoy… taken apart by the locals.

40公里长的补给车队……被当地人摧毁。
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Soldiers running out of ammo and food.

士兵们用光了弹药和食物。

Mechanised forces running out of diesel and getting towed away by the local farmers on their tractors.

机械化部队用光了柴油,被当地农民用拖拉机拖走。

Mobilisation of reservists and half of them leaving the country.

动员的预备役军人,其中一半离开了国家。

Inability to provide even basic equipment to the reservists who did show up.

甚至无法为招募的预备役军人提供基本装备。

Black Sea Flagship blown up.

黑海舰队旗舰被炸毁。

The list isn’t quite endless but it is extensive… of basic mistakes made by the Russian forces. Back at the height of the cold war the Russian forces were feared. The sheer size of numbers and back up meant they were formidable and the last thing NATO wanted to see was T72s and infantry pouring through the Fulda Gap. The “special military operation” in Ukraine has shown the shortcomings of the Russian military in all its glory.

这个列表并不是无穷无尽的,但它很长……列举了俄罗斯军队所犯的基本错误。在冷战的高峰时期,俄罗斯军队让世人备受惧怕。庞大的数量和后备意味着他们是可怕的,北约最不想看到的就是T72坦克和步兵从富尔达缺口涌入。在乌克兰的“特别军事行动”中,展现了俄罗斯军队的种种缺陷。

Russia has elite armed forces that should be feared by everyone.

俄罗斯拥有应该受到所有人惧怕的精英武装部队。
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Yeeeeeaah… see bullet point 1 above. Kinda proves otherwise.

是的……看看上面的第一条。有点证明了相反的情况。

R. W. Carmichael
Your post contains a lot of misinformation.

你的帖子包含了很多错误信息。

The “elite” Russian forces — spetsnaz, paratroops, naval infantry, and “guards” units are no more. They have literally been devastated. Overhead photography of assembly areas shows that these units have lost 40–60% of their personnel and have filled out the hole with untrained conscxts. This is called “force dilution” and means that the units are ”elite” in name only. These days they are far less than fearsome.

“精英”俄罗斯部队——特种部队、伞兵、海军陆战队和“卫队”部队已经不复存在。它们确实已经遭受了毁灭性打击。从空中摄影的集结区域可以看出,这些部队已经损失了40-60%的人员,并用未经训练的新兵填补了这个空缺。这被称为“力量稀释”,意味着这些部队只是名义上的“精英”。如今它们远非原来那么可怕。

Yep Russia has a tiny economy. The combined GDP of NATO countries is around $40 trillion USD and growing apace. The Russian economy is less than $1 trillion USD and is in collapse. And to make it worse, the Russian economy is the most two-dimensional in the industrialized world. It is almost entirely dependent on fossil fuel sales for revenue.

是的,俄罗斯经济规模很小。北约国家的综合国内生产总值约为40万亿美元,并且在快速增长。俄罗斯经济不到1万亿美元,并且处于崩溃状态。更糟糕的是,俄罗斯经济是工业化世界中最为单一的。它几乎完全依赖化石燃料销售来获取收入。

Due to corruption, inept leadership, poor logistics, poorly-designed equipment, extremely poor communications, poor intelligence, and many other reasons, they really are clowns.

由于腐败、无能的领导、糟糕的后勤、设计不佳的装备、极其糟糕的通讯、糟糕的情报,以及许多其他原因,他们确实是小丑。

Then there’s this:

然后还有这个:
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Angela Birch
But it is factual that it has a smaller economy than several US states. IT has a smaller economy that several other smaller nations. IT is not an economic powerhouse it actually is quite pitiful.

但事实是,它的经济规模比几个美国州还小。它的经济规模比其他几个较小的国家还小。它并不是一个经济强国,实际上相当可悲。

It has armed forces and it HAD some elite armed forces that came home in boxes from the Ukrine in the first few days. No it doesn’t have a fearsome military. IT actually has the remnants of a poorly trained and poorly supplied and armed group which were trained to march across red square in goose step. Not impressive.

它有武装部队,曾经有一些精英武装部队在乌克兰的头几天就被送回来了。不,它并没有可怕的军队。实际上,它拥有的是一支训练不足、供应不足、武装不足的残余部队,他们接受过在红场上列队行进的训练。但并不令人印象深刻。

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If Russia’s economy is roughly the size of Texas, why does it take an ever expanding NATO membership to defend against Russia?

俄罗斯的经济规模大致相当于德克萨斯州,为什么需要不断扩大的北约成员国来抵御俄罗斯?

Because Russia keeps behaving in a manner that, by outcome, hurts its own security.

因为俄罗斯一直以一种损害自身安全的方式行事。

Before Russia invaded Ukraine-

在俄罗斯入侵乌克兰之前——

Sweden and Finland were neutral.

瑞典和芬兰是中立的。

The Baltic republics were isolated with their backs to the Baltic and a long frontier with Russia. NATO had a small battalion sized force there to act as a trip wire should Russia invade.

波罗的海国家被孤立,背靠波罗的海,与俄罗斯有着漫长的边境。北约在那里有一个规模较小的一个营的部队,以防俄罗斯入侵。

There was no hope Ukraine was going to be admitted to NATO anytime soon. At most everyone believed, including myself, that Ukraine would fall in a couple of days if Russia attacked.

没有人希望乌克兰会很快被纳入北约。大多数人,包括我自己在内,都相信,如果俄罗斯发动进攻,乌克兰最多会在几天内沦陷。

Russia’s military was vastly overestimated in its effectiveness.

俄罗斯的军事实力被严重高估了。

Germany and a number of NATO nations were NOT living up to NATO treaty commitments to spend 2% of their GNP on their own military. (I listed 5% originally, thank you Mr. Wilms)

德国和一些北约国家没有履行在北约条约中承诺将国民生产总值的2%用于自己的军事开支。(我最初列出了5%,谢谢Wilms先生)

Just SINCE the invasion-

自入侵以来——

Sweden and Finland are in the process of joining NATO. Suddenly the Baltics ARE defensible from Russian attack. The Fins can bottle up the Russian fleet and Sweden is one large aircraft carrier parked just over the horizon.

瑞典和芬兰正在加入北约的过程中。突然之间,波罗的海国家可以抵御俄罗斯的进攻。芬兰可以封锁俄罗斯舰队,而瑞典就像一个停在地平线上的大型航空母舰。

Germany has decided to increase and modernize its military just since the invasion.

德国决定自入侵以来增加和现代化自己的军事力量。

Ukraine now may indeed end up joining NATO. Instead of the Baltics being isolated its Belarus that is now surrounded on three sides by anti Russia nations.

乌克兰现在可能确实最终会加入北约。现在不再是波罗的海国家被孤立,而是白俄罗斯现在被反俄国家三面包围着。

This would NOT have happened if Russia had not decided to invade Ukraine.

如果俄罗斯没有决定入侵乌克兰,这一切都不会发生。

It gets worse for Russia.

对俄罗斯来说情况变得更糟。

If Russia is defeated, that encourages Belarusians to rise up against President Alexander Lukashenko?

如果俄罗斯被打败,这会鼓励白俄罗斯人起来反对总统亚历山大·卢卡申科?
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The single biggest enemy of Russia IS Russia.

俄罗斯最大的敌人就是俄罗斯自己。

Francis
The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Russia’s “elite armed forces” are currently losing badly in Ukraine, to a country without a strong military tradition. And their armed forces are behaving like clowns.

事实胜于雄辩。俄罗斯的“精英武装部队”目前在乌克兰遭遇惨败,而乌克兰并没有强大的军事传统。他们的武装部队表现得像小丑一样。

Given that they behave like clowns and are losing to a much smaller and under-equipped country why do you think that Russia’s “elite armed forces” should be feared more than armed street thugs (with tanks)? And given that and the weakness of the Russian economy what makes you call Russia “a powerhouse of a country”?

考虑到他们的表现像小丑一样,并且正在输给一个规模小得多、装备不足的国家,你为什么认为俄罗斯的“精英武装部队”应该比武装的街头暴徒(带着坦克)更值得恐惧?鉴于俄罗斯经济的薄弱,你为什么称俄罗斯为“一个强国”?

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