作为一名战斗老兵，你如何看待私人军事承包商（例如黑水公司）？
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作为一名战斗老兵，你如何看待私人军事承包商（例如黑水公司）？
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作为一名战斗老兵，你如何看待私人军事承包商（例如黑水公司）？
Anonymous
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I grew up with two guys who are still active contractors so I’m going to go anonymous.
They were both really athletic. We played football and baseball together. Both got partial scholarships to smaller schools and played football. One decided a semester in that he hated college and was done with school but he stuck out another semester. The other found he was popular with the ladies and partied a little too hard and found himself losing his scholarship money and leaving after his first year.
我从小和两个家伙一起长大，他们现在仍然是现役承包商，所以我将保持匿名。
他们俩都非常擅长运动。我们一起踢足球、打棒球。两人都获得了去规模较小的学校踢足球的部分奖学金。其中一个在入学一学期后觉得自己讨厌大学，不想再读了，但还是坚持又读了一个学期。另一个则发现自己很受女生欢迎，聚会玩乐有点过头，结果失去了奖学金，在大一结束后就退学了。
They joined the Marine corps 3 or 4 months apart. Both completed their four years and came back to our smaller home town to find not too many jobs. In this time, I went to college myself and got an engineering degree and was working for a defense contractor when they both came back.
They bounced around between jobs but there’s just not a lot to choose from so I suggested they come to the city where I was and look for jobs. I was renting an older two bedroom house and used one bedroom as an office. One of the guys took that room over and the other slept on the couch for about 6 weeks. They both found jobs that would tide them over but they weren’t great. One of the guys met a recruiter for one of the military contractors through somebody else that he knew from the Marines. He talked to the other and they decided to sign up.
他们相隔三四个月先后加入了海军陆战队。两人都服满了四年兵役，回到了我们那个小家乡，却发现工作机会并不多。这段时间里，我自己去上了大学，拿到了工程学位，当他们回来时，我正在一家国防承包商那里工作。
他们换了好几份工作，但选择实在太少，所以我建议他们来我所在的城市找工作。我当时租了一栋旧的两居室房子，其中一间卧室被我用作办公室。这两个家伙中的一个接管了那个房间，另一个在沙发上睡了大约6周。他们俩都找到了一份勉强糊口的工作，但都不太好。其中一个通过他在海军陆战队认识的人，遇到了一家军事承包商的招聘人员。他和另一个商量了一下，决定签约。
We talked about it and it was presented this way. They were both over there. They did and saw some shitty things for $20k per year. They were going back for over $200k per year and it would be tax free. I later learned they were pulling down closer to $300k per year with bonuses.
It has been about four years. They are banking most of what they make. I am checking out a farm house on 30 acres for one of them next weekend. He found it on Zillow and likes the look of it but he wants somebody to really check it out. It’s out in the country and he said it’s exactly what he’s looking for. I’ll email him pics and tell him what I think. If he likes it, he’s going to wire the cash over and buy it. He plans to move back home after his current contract is up unless he gets sent home earlier with the Afghan withdrawal.
我们谈过这件事，情况是这样的。他们以前都去过那边（战场）。当时他们每年挣2万美元，却要做并且目睹一些糟糕透顶的事情。而这次回去，年薪超过20万美元，而且是免税的。后来我才知道，加上奖金，他们每年的收入接近30万美元。
现在已经过去了大约四年。他们把赚来的大部分钱都存了起来。下周末我要帮其中一个去看一栋占地30英亩的农舍。他在Zillow（房产网站）上看到的，很喜欢它的样子，但他想找人实地好好检查一下。房子在乡下，他说这正是他想要的。我会发照片邮件给他，并告诉他我的看法。如果他满意，他就会直接电汇现金把房子买下来。他计划在目前的合同结束后搬回老家，除非因为阿富汗撤军而提前被送回来。
The other friend doesn’t know what he wants to do so he’s planning on working until they run out of work.
These are private contractors. I don’t know specifics on what they do but they do things that requires experience and that our government doesn’t want to do directly. They get paid well but I think it’s pretty dangerous based on the places I know they have worked. They’re just regular guys who grew up without much money and they get paid more than they could make anywhere else.
另一个朋友还不知道自己想做什么，所以他打算一直干下去，直到没有活儿干为止。
他们是私人承包商。我不知道他们具体做什么，但他们做的事情需要经验，而且是我们政府不想直接去做的。他们的薪水很高，但根据我知道的他们工作过的地方来看，我觉得这相当危险。他们只是普通的家伙，成长过程中没什么钱，但现在他们挣的钱比在其他任何地方都要多。
Roland Bartetzko former soldier
罗兰·巴泰茨科 前士兵
Last month, I was invited to a barbecue where I met an American Private Military Contractor who works for “Academi”, the former Blackwater.
The guy is a K-9 handler with several “tours” to Afghanistan and we had a long chat about it. What surprised me about this man were two things:
He had no military background whatsoever. I always thought that these companies, especially when they send US citizens to a war zone, would only rely on former soldiers. However, the guy explained to me that he had received extensive military training with the US Army unit he later deployed with to Afghanistan.
上个月，我受邀参加了一个烧烤会，在那里我遇到了一位为“阿卡德米”（前身为黑水公司）工作的美国私营军事承包商人员。
这家伙是一名军犬训导员，去过阿富汗好几次，我们就此聊了很久。这个人让我惊讶的地方有两点：
他完全没有军事背景。我一直以为这些公司，特别是在派遣美国公民去战区时，只会依赖退伍军人。然而，这家伙向我解释说，他后来随那支美军部队部署到阿富汗时，接受了该部队提供的广泛军事训练。
The guy had a large tattoo on his left forearm which very much resembled the emblem of the US Army Special Forces. Therefore, when I met him, my first question was, “You were SOF?” He said he got the tattoo in Afghanistan with the consent of the commander of the military unit he was attached to.
Paramilitary dog handlers in the United States. (Photo: itstactical).
The guy was polite, friendly, and honest: no, he had never served in the military, no he never saw combat, and yes, he only went to AFG for the money.
这家伙的左前臂上有一个很大的纹身，非常像美国陆军特种部队的徽章。因此，当我见到他时，我的第一个问题是：“你是特种部队（SOF）的？”他说这个纹身是他在阿富汗纹的，征得了他所隶属的军事单位指挥官的同意。
美国的准军事犬只训导员。（图片来源：itstactical）。
这家伙彬彬有礼、友好且诚实：他从未服过兵役；他从未见过战斗；是的，他去阿富汗纯粹是为了钱。
To be honest, as someone who has fought in two wars, not for the money (there was none), but for a just cause, I generally do not really have a lot of sympathies for these PMC guys. They are from a completely different world than I am from.
In addition, the guy was a big Trump supporter. As his boss Erik Prince is the brother of Trump's former secretary of education Betsy DeVos, I shouldn't have been surprised about it. You don't bite the hand that feeds you.
老实说，作为一个参加过两场战争的人，我打仗不是为了钱（当时也没什么钱），而是为了正义的事业，我通常对这些私营军事承包商人员没什么好感。他们和我属于完全不同的两个世界。
此外，这家伙是特朗普的铁杆支持者。鉴于他的老板埃里克·普林斯是特朗普前教育部长贝琪·德沃斯的弟弟，我本不该对此感到惊讶。毕竟没人会去咬喂自己吃饭的那只手。
Robert Morrelli Former Squad Leader at U.S. Army (1989–2004)
罗伯特·莫雷利 前美国陆军班长（1989–2004）
If nothing else, these private military companies have been the reason 1000’s of combat veterans are still alive today. I also found myself deep in the clutches of suicide after my departure from Battalion, 3 tours of Shitbagistan and a plethora of injury's. The private soldier gave me a chance work shit out in my head while doing the only thing I was good at…shooting bad guys in the face.
撇开其他不谈，这些私营军事公司是成千上万战斗老兵至今仍活着的原因。我在离开营队后，经历了三次“烂泥斯坦”（指阿富汗）部署和无数伤病，也曾深陷自杀的念头中。私营军事这份工作给了我一个机会，让我在做我唯一擅长的事情——也就是把坏人的脸轰烂——的同时，理清了脑子里的一团乱麻。
22 veterans and active service members commit suicide EVERY DAY!! There is shit load of us, like me, that were raised in good, God fearing familys…but we were poor with not much chance to break the cycle. In the military we accel, we rise fast and uphold our oath with our lives. If we are discharged because of injury, we know nothing else in terms of a skill set. The private soldier aspect breaths life into someone that may be looking at a dark ending.
每天都有22名退伍军人和现役军人自杀！！我们有一大堆像我这样的人，在敬畏上帝的良好家庭中长大……但我们很穷，没有多少机会打破这个循环。在军队里我们表现出色，晋升迅速，并以生命捍卫我们的誓言。如果我们因伤退伍，在技能方面我们一无所知。私营军事这份工作为那些可能正面临黑暗结局的人注入了新的生命力。
Stil Awesome
斯蒂尔·奥索姆
I’ve been both
I didn't work for Black water though, from what I understand they were largely disbanded by the time I left Iraq and came into the world of private contracting.
I worked for tac worldwide and SRI international who did opfor training with the military in the United States so I never went overseas (I told other companies I don't care how much your paying, i’m NEVER going back to Iraq)
这两种身份我都当过。不过我没在黑水公司工作过，据我所知，当我离开伊拉克进入私营承包领域时，他们基本上已经解散了
我曾在塔克环球公司和斯坦福国际研究所工作，他们在美国境内为军方提供假想敌训练，所以我从未出过国（我告诉其他公司，不管你们给多少钱，我绝不再回伊拉克）。
Majority of the veterans who went back as contractors were the ‘combat vets’ who never saw combat when they were deployed so they thought they would not see it as contractors, only to realize that wasn't the case and they were in a conflict zone with no military support - they quickly regretted it
I'd seen far for then my fair share so I wasn't going back EVER.
Being opfor was fun (I got to play the insurgent and sneak up on complacent Junior enlisted and LTs)
大多数回去当承包商的老兵都是那些在部署期间从未见过战斗的“战斗老兵”，所以他们以为当承包商也不会遇到战斗，结果才发现并非如此，而且他们身处冲突区却没有军事支援——他们很快就后悔了。
我见过的战斗早就够多了，所以我绝不再回去。
做假想敌很有趣（我可以扮演叛乱分子，偷袭那些自满的初级士兵和中尉）。
Most importantly , it was safe (simulating war in a controlled environment without leaving Florida)
And of course the price was right - around $2k a week after taxes (this was in 2009) which was good pay for a 23 year old with no college degree. It was long hours (meet at hotel at 4am for breakfast, drive to base at 5am finish by 6–7pm depending on why the military was done training.
最重要的是，这很安全（在受控环境中模拟战争，而且不用离开佛罗里达）。
当然，价格也很合适——税后每周大约2000美元（那是在2009年），对于一个没有大学学位的23岁年轻人来说，这是一份不错的薪水。工作时间很长（凌晨4点在酒店集合吃早餐，5点开车去基地，下午6-7点结束，具体取决于军方何时训练结束）。
Being a contractor required the same, if not longer hours than the military
But being a contractor paid significantly better.
The army preaches benefits but the benefits are rarely allowed to be used during service and aren't available after service except VA (which isn't the best) and the gibill which is probably the only thing making the military worth it (after 4 years of hard slog)
做承包商的工作时间如果不比军队长，那也是一样长。
但做承包商的薪水要高得多。
军队鼓吹福利，但这些福利在服役期间很少被允许使用，退役后除了退伍军人事务部（VA，而且不是最好的）和《退伍军人权利法案》（GI Bill，这可能是唯一让军队值得待下去的东西，前提是你熬过了4年的苦差事）之外，其他的都没有。
The truth is, with the hours I was pulling i could make more money as a contractor than being on minimum salary and living in a box eating garbage with benefits I never get a chance to use.
Contracting has no benefits but the pay let's you buy whatever you need.
The military offers “ benefits “ that fail to meet your needs
事实是，以我工作的时长，做承包商能赚更多的钱，而不是拿着微薄的薪水，住在像盒子一样的地方，吃着垃圾食品，还守着那些我永远没机会用的福利。
承包工作没有福利，但工资让你想买什么就能买什么。
军队提供的“福利”无法满足你的需求。
The military demands it has it's needs met (not yours)
Contracting is more popular than being in the military for that exact reason.
If you're going to be doing the same work, why not get your needs met?
军队要求的是满足它的需求（而不是你的）。
正因为这个确切的原因，承包工作比在军队里更受欢迎。
如果你要做同样的工作，为什么不让自己的需求得到满足呢？
Morningstar Native American
晨星 美国原住民
VerY LEEry of the entire contractor scene. And I say this as a combat veteran that was active duty in Iraq, working alongside various contractors, INCLUDING Blackwater.
我对整个承包商圈子非常警惕。我是以一名在伊拉克服役的战斗老兵的身份说这番话的，我曾与包括黑水公司在内的各种承包商共事。
Some will say that they perform a valuable service that frees up military manpower. But, while I can understand the argument, I don’t necessarily agree with that totally. They might have filled in a certain gap that existed going into GWOT (or, still exists maybe) as far as personal protection, or security details go.
But, I think there could just as easily be internal units or outfits that could specialize in these kind of operations.
The argument against this approach is that it would require time, money and it’s a matter of allocation of resources.
有些人会说，他们提供了宝贵的服务，解放了军事人力。但是，虽然我能理解这个论点，但我并不完全同意。就个人保护或安全细节而言，他们可能填补了进入全球反恐战争（GWOT）时存在的某些空白（或者说现在可能仍然存在）。
但是，我认为军队内部完全可以组建专门从事这类行动的单位或机构。
反对这种做法的理由是，这需要时间、金钱，而且涉及资源分配的问题。
But, much of the elite PMCs are made up of ex-SOF guys anyway. They got all of that expensive training while in the service and then they jumped to the contracting side. Then, the government turns around and would pay them 6-figure salaries, plus the handling fee to the companies that run these contracting businesses. How much is this overall bill to protect generals or high level government employees? Is it REALLY cost effective, in the long-run? Or, is the military so inflexible that they can’t field security details at the same caliber?
I don’t know if I buy that. Although, if someone has a breakdown of the costs for fielding such teams or why it’s better to go with contracts…I’d love to see that data.
但是，大多数精英私营军事公司（PMC）反正都是由前特种部队（SOF）人员组成的。他们在服役期间接受了所有昂贵的训练，然后跳槽到了承包方。然后，政府回过头来支付他们六位数的薪水，还要加上给经营这些承包业务的公司的手续费。保护将军或高级政府雇员的总账单是多少？从长远来看，这真的具有成本效益吗？或者，是因为军队太僵化，无法派出同等水准的安全特遣队？
我不知道我是否相信这种说法。不过，如果有人能提供组建此类团队的成本明细，或者为什么签订合同更好……我很想看看那些数据。
Dallas McKay Worked at U.S. Army
达拉斯·麦凯 曾在美国陆军工作
Depends on what you mean by PMC. Some of these guys are plumbers, truck drivers and other support type people. Most of them are decent folks, professional about their work and do good work.
Some are local security types on the FOB or other installation. They man the towers and gates and walk patrol. Most of them are from poor countries like Uganda. They take care of a lot of the drudgery work that has to be done. The guys in charge of them usually had military service in first world army, and did decent work. They had their hands full with guys they were in charge of, as many of them weren't exactly the best of the best.
这取决于你所说的PMC是指什么。其中一些人是水管工、卡车司机和其他支援型人员。他们大多数都是正派的人，对工作很专业，活儿干得也不错。
有些是在前线作战基地（FOB）或其他设施工作的当地安保人员。他们负责守卫塔楼、大门和巡逻。他们大多来自乌干达等贫穷国家。他们承担了许多必须要做的苦差事。负责管理他们的人通常在第一世界的军队服过役，工作做得也不错。他们要管好手下这帮人已经忙得不可开交了，因为手下很多人并不是什么精英中的精英。
Finally, you had the personal security types. A lot of them were former members of elite organizations. By and large, they weren't an issue on a personal level. The problem we had with them was they kind of got in the way. More than once, they'd head out into a place they shouldn't have been and we had to send in the Cavalry to rescue them. Or, they'd be where they were supposed to be, but lack the resources to deal with a crisis, and again, we'd have to shift resources to alleviate their strife. They were hard to communicate with, did little to no coordination with us regular army types and had a different rule book that caused friction. A lot of the problems with these guys weren't the contractors fault. They had an employer to answer to who would undermine thier efforts to play nice. Again, these guys were mostly OK personality and competence wise.
最后，还有一类是私人安保人员。他们很多人是精英组织的前成员。总的来说，在个人层面上他们不是问题。我们和他们之间的问题是，他们有点碍事。他们不止一次地闯入不该去的地方，结果我们不得不派出骑兵去营救他们。或者，他们待在该待的地方，却缺乏应对危机的资源，结果我们又得调动资源去缓解他们的冲突。他们很难沟通，几乎不与我们正规军进行协调，而且他们有一套不同的规则手册，这引起了摩擦。这些家伙的很多问题并不是承包商的错。他们要对雇主负责，而雇主往往会破坏他们想搞好关系的努力。再说一次，这些人在性格和能力上大多是没问题的。
I ran into a few guys I knew from earlier in my career. One was a guy who went SF, then got out. Another was cop in the civilian sector after he did his four years. I also saw some of the same contractors more than once. I met a guy on my very last tour in Iraq who was a contractor on my camp in Bosnia 15 years prior. He was the motor pool guy who worked on civilian style vehicles in both places.
我遇到过几个我职业生涯早期就认识的人。一个是加入了特种部队（SF）然后退役的家伙。另一个是服役四年后去当警察的。我也不止一次见过同样的承包商。在我最后一次去伊拉克时，我遇到了一个人，15年前我在波斯尼亚的营地时他就是那里的承包商。他是负责车辆维护的人，在两个地方都修民用风格的车辆。
They Call Me....steve Lives in Baltimore
Most people have no idea what they actually do. They are not out there doing search and destroy missions. they are not taking and holding ground. they are doing security work.
大家叫我……史蒂夫 居住在巴尔的摩
大多数人根本不知道他们实际上在做什么。他们并没有在外面执行搜索和摧毁任务。他们也没有在攻占和守住阵地。他们在做安保工作。
there are two categories High end and low end.
the High end guys have a very small specialized role, They fill that niche roll very well. These were the VIP bodyguards. Ex-SEAL, Ex-Delta. High risk, high pay. they earn it.
分为两类：高端和低端。
高端人员的角色非常小而专，他们非常擅长填补那个特定的位置。这些人是VIP保镖。前海豹突击队员，前三角洲队员。高风险，高报酬。他们赚的是辛苦钱。
The low end. Tower guards. These guys stood guard in the towers and gates at our bigger bases, it was a job any private could be expected to do. But we would have had to send thousands of more troops to do it.(1) by using contractors the Infantry could be used to fight other places and support troops at the big bases can go salsa dancing after work. they made about 60k a year, which is good money for high school grad with one enlistment.
低端人员。塔楼守卫。这些人在我们较大的基地的塔楼和大门站岗，这是任何一个列兵都能做的工作。但如果要我们自己做，就得再派数千名士兵去。(1)通过使用承包商，步兵可以被派往其他地方作战，而大基地的支援部队下班后可以去跳萨尔萨舞。他们一年大约赚6万美元，对于一个只服役过一次的高中毕业生来说，这是一笔不错的收入。
EDIT:
Most of them are pretty cool.
The service members who really hate contractors are the ones the contractors won’t hire.
真正讨厌承包商的服役人员，是那些承包商不雇佣的人。
补充：他们大多数人都很酷。
But, there was that one guy who thought he was a tier one operator. He was their version of Sargent of the Guard. he went around delivering take out plates to guys in the towers and would park his truck directly in front of the drone launcher when the drone guys were trying to launch.
“ Hey man can you not park there when we are trying to launch? we can’t launch over you, its a safety rule”
但是，有那么一个家伙，以为自己是一级特战队员。他是他们那边的卫兵长。他到处给塔楼里的人送外卖盘子，而且当无人机操作员试图发射时，他会把卡车直接停在无人机发射器前面。
“嘿伙计，我们要发射的时候你能别停那儿吗？我们不能从你头顶发射，这是安全规定。”
“ Yeah well you know sometimes the base gets attacked and we need to go where we need to go”(2)
“……are we under attack right now master chief?…..Don’t park in front of the launcher when there's a bird on the rails.”
no one really cares how many contractors you send. But the troop level gets reported in the news. Not once in the year I was at that site was it directly attacked.
“是啊，但你知道有时候基地会被袭击，我们得去我们该去的地方。”(2)
“……士官长，我们现在被袭击了吗？……当滑轨上有‘鸟’（指无人机）的时候，别停在发射器前面。”
没人真正在乎你派多少承包商去。但驻军人数是会被新闻报道的。我在那个基地的那一年里，它一次都没有被直接袭击过。
Devon Stavrowsky Former Army SF Medic, Cal Guard Officer, Retired Cop (1968–2005)
德文·斯塔夫罗斯基 前陆军特种部队军医，加州国民警卫队军官，退休警察（1968–2005）
Originally Answered: As a combat veteran, what do you think of Private Military contractors? (ex. Blackwater)?
原问题：作为一名战斗老兵，你如何看待私营军事承包商？（例如黑水公司）？
I’ve known a few. Good guys mostly. And typically very competent if they are working for a decent organization (or they would not have been hired). And they can be extremely effective. I get a chuckle when I think of how easily Executive Outcomes demolished the RUF in Sierra Leone, though that force outnumbered them roughly 100 to 1. The UN has a lot of heartache with them, because as a non-governmental organization, they have little control or even influence over them. And they can be a pain in the ass for politicians from various places where they are employed.
我认识几个。大多是好人。而且如果他们为一个正派的组织工作，通常都非常有能力（否则他们也不会被录用）。他们可以非常高效。想到“执行结果”公司（Executive Outcomes）在塞拉利昂是如何轻松摧毁“革命联合阵线”（RUF）的，我就想笑，尽管那支部队的人数大约是他们的100倍。联合国对他们很头疼，因为作为一个非政府组织，联合国对他们几乎没有控制权，甚至没有影响力。而且对于他们受雇地区的政客来说，他们可能是个麻烦。
The US uses them to supplement our forces in hot areas extensively. They sometimes create political shit-storms when they exceed their authority or rules of engagement, but as a soldier, I have little heartache with them as long as they are on my side and not doing something stupid and unauthorized that is going to cause me problems. That doesn’t happen a lot. They tend to be very cooperative. It’s mostly just another good guy with a gun on the street as far as I’m concerned. And they certainly have been heroic on more than one occasion. The guys who stood off the hoards at Benghazi for 13 hours were private contractors… and as heroic a bunch as you are ever going to find.
美国广泛利用他们在热点地区补充我们的兵力。当他们越权或违反交战规则时，有时会制造政治风暴，但作为一名士兵，只要他们站在我这边，并且不做那些会给我惹麻烦的愚蠢且未经授权的事情，我对他们就没什么意见。这种事并不常发生。他们往往非常配合。在我看来，这基本上就是街上多了一个带枪的好人。而且他们肯定不止一次表现得很英勇。在班加西顶住暴徒长达13个小时的那些人就是私营承包商……他们是你所能找到的最英勇的一群人。
Matthew McPadden Former 19Delta-Recon Intelligence Cavalry Scout at USArmy (1985–2008)
马修·麦克帕登 前美国陆军19Delta侦察情报骑兵斥候（1985–2008）
Well this is what I feel about it but I try not to judge other veterans. As for me I always say this about my nearly thirty years in and countless deployments during that time.
嗯，这就是我的感受，但我尽量不去评判其他退伍军人。至于我自己，关于我在军中近三十年的时光以及期间无数次的部署，我总是这样说。
“It wasn't who I was, it was what I did”. I didn't do it for my country, folks back in the world, didn't do it for my lady and kids either, mom and dad back home or to keep folks free (by the way our military hasn't fought for and to continue freedom in this country sense the Colonial War. When the government says that it makes me gringe). If that's all your fighting for you will last bearly past you first deployment. I did it and all us lifers for that guy and gal next to you. The band of the hand. Keeping soldiers young and old alive and being able to bring us all home is the only reason for me and others like myself and orders are orders. That's the job, that's the life!
“这无关我是谁，只关乎我做了什么”。我这么做不是为了我的国家，不是为了后方的人们，也不是为了我的妻儿，不是为了远在家乡的父母，更不是为了让人们获得自由（顺便说一句，自殖民战争以来，我们的军队就没有为了并继续捍卫这个国家的自由而战。当政府这么说时，我觉得很恶心）。如果你只是为了这些而战，你撑不过你的第一次部署。我和我们这些职业军人这么做，是为了你身边的战友。是为了手足之情。保护新兵老兵的生命安全，让我们大家都能活着回家，这是我和像我一样的人唯一的理由，而且军令如山。这就是工作，这就是生活！
So to answer your question. I ain't none to fond of those corporate marc douche bags. Anybody that does it for cash is doing it for the all WRONG reasons period!
所以回答你的问题。我一点也不喜欢那些公司雇佣兵里的混蛋。任何为了钱这么做的人，理由都是完全错误的，没二话！
Back when I went to basic at Ft. Jackson on tank hill all those years ago at 16 in 85 my drill sargeant said this to us. “Trainees, taking a human life is an unnatural act. It's dirty business and make no mistake maggots you ain't sending them to hell, your going there. Just like Abraham to Isaac there isn't no rightous or good reason to do it even if God herself (ya, he said it, a women) commands it so. Once you think there is a good enough reason or find yourself liking it, its time to go home to Mary Jane rotten crotch! Now fall in lady's”!
多年前，1985年我16岁的时候，去杰克逊堡的坦克山参加基础训练，我的教官曾对我们说过这番话。“新兵们，夺取人命是一种违背自然的行为。这是肮脏的勾当，别搞错了，蛆虫们，你们不是在送他们下地狱，你们是在把自己送下地狱。就像亚伯拉罕对以撒一样，即使是上帝她自己（是的，他就是这么说的，上帝是个女人）下令这么做，也没有任何正义或正当的理由。一旦你认为有足够好的理由，或者发现自己很喜欢这么做，那就是时候回家去找那个烂裤裆的玛丽·简（指毒品或糜烂生活）了！现在集合，女士们！”
It was good advice and his insight was impeccable than and especially now! I used that same statement to my troops many times when I was a drill sargeant.
这是个好建议，他的洞察力在当时就无懈可击，尤其是现在！当我做教官时，我也曾多次对我的部队说过同样的话。
Sergeant First Class Matthew “stick” McPadden (19Delta USArmy retired).
一级军士长马修·“斯蒂克”·麦克帕登（美国陆军19特勤队退役）。
I ran into a LOT of military contractors while part of the US forces in Kuwait right after Gulf war I and in SFOR in the old Yugoslavia. There were some really fine people there for the money. There were a lot a lot losers who had been “bumped along” by the system and couldn’t do anything else of anywhere near comparable pay in civilian life (guy’s interpreter had to share his bed, etc.) , and there were a lot of people with no military experience (truck drivers, IT people, etc., “when not working (which was most of the time), please try to stay out of sight” so as to not advertise that we have more folks than work).
海湾战争一结束，我作为美军在科威特，以及在旧南斯拉夫的多国稳定部队期间遇到了很多军事承包商。其中有一些人为了钱确实干得不错。但也有很多是被体制“淘汰”下来的失败者，他们在平民生活中找不到任何薪水接近于此的工作（那家伙的翻译不得不和他共用一张床等等），还有很多人根本没有军事经验（卡车司机、IT人员等，他们被告知“不工作的时候——也就是大部分时间，请尽量别让人看见”，以免暴露我们人浮于事的情况）。
Overall, I was not impressed. The US Govt. was not getting good value for their money.
总的来说，我印象不深。美国政府的钱花得不值。
Kwora is Trash
夸拉是垃圾
Originally Answered: As a combat veteran, what do you think of Private Military Contracter (ex. Blackwater)?
原问题：作为一名战斗老兵，你如何看待私营军事承包商（例如黑水公司）？
I applied for a job with Triple Canopy, many years ago. I nearly took the offer, however as part of their interview, they asked about my willingness to accept certain missions. And their question made me think about the concept of risking my life for what reward. In the end, I chose not to make my purpose in life about money, but instead about serving society. I think my view of contractors, is that they have the right to chose their own purpose in life. Everyone has to decide what is important. As long as they are at the very least working with society, instead of against it, then I extend the same respect to them as anyone who performs a risky occupation in order to support themselves and their family.
多年前，我申请了三蓬公司的一份工作。我差点就接受了这份工作，然而在面试过程中，他们问到了我接受特定任务的意愿。他们的问题让我思考，拿生命冒险是为了什么回报。最后，我选择不让金钱成为我生活的目的，而是选择服务社会。我对承包商的看法是，他们有权选择自己生活的目的。每个人都必须决定什么才是重要的。只要他们至少是在配合社会工作，而不是反社会，那么我就会像尊重任何为了养活自己和家人而从事高风险职业的人一样尊重他们。
Tyrone F Reeves Studied at Alabama A&M University
泰龙·F·里夫斯 曾就读于阿拉巴马农工大学
I've known a couple. Heroes for the most part. What's more, ordinarily able in the event that they are working for a respectable association (or they would not have been employed). Also, they can be very viable. I get a laugh when I consider how effectively Executive Outcomes wrecked the RUF in Sierra Leone, however that power dwarfed them around 100 to 1.
我认识几个。大部分是英雄。而且，如果他们是在为一个体面的组织工作，通常都很能干（否则他们也不会被录用）。他们可以非常有战斗力。想到“执行结果”公司在塞拉利昂是如何高效地摧毁“革命联合阵线”的，我就想笑，尽管那支部队的人数是他们的100倍左右。
The UN has a great deal of grief with them, in light of the fact that as a non-administrative association, they have little control or even impact over them. Furthermore, they can be an undeniable irritation for lawmakers from different spots where they are utilized.
The US utilizes them to enhance our powers in hot regions broadly. They here and there make political poop storms when they surpass their power or guidelines of commitment, yet as a fighter, I have little sorrow with them as long as they are my ally and not accomplishing something inept and unapproved that is going to cause me issues. That doesn't occur a great deal. They will, in general, be agreeable.
联合国对他们很头疼，因为作为一个非政府组织，联合国对他们几乎没有控制权，甚至没有影响力。而且对于他们受雇地区的立法者来说，他们无疑是个麻烦。
美国广泛利用他们在热点地区增强我们的力量。当他们越权或违反交战规则时，有时会制造政治粪坑（指丑闻），但作为一名战士，只要他们是我的盟友，并且不做那些会给我惹麻烦的愚蠢且未经授权的事情，我对他们就没什么意见。这种事并不常发生。他们通常都很配合。
It's generally simply one more hero with a firearm in the city to the extent I'm concerned. What's more, they unquestionably have been chivalrous time and again. The folks who remained off the crowds at Benghazi for 13 hours were private contractual workers… and as brave a pack as you are regularly going to discover.
在我看来，这基本上就是城里多了一个带枪的英雄。而且他们肯定不止一次表现得很英勇。在班加西顶住人群长达13个小时的那些人就是私营承包商……他们是你通常能找到的最勇敢的一群人。
Anonymous
匿名
I grew up with two guys who are still active contractors so I’m going to go anonymous.
They were both really athletic. We played football and baseball together. Both got partial scholarships to smaller schools and played football. One decided a semester in that he hated college and was done with school but he stuck out another semester. The other found he was popular with the ladies and partied a little too hard and found himself losing his scholarship money and leaving after his first year.
我从小和两个家伙一起长大，他们现在仍然是现役承包商，所以我将保持匿名。
他们俩都非常擅长运动。我们一起踢足球、打棒球。两人都获得了去规模较小的学校踢足球的部分奖学金。其中一个在入学一学期后觉得自己讨厌大学，不想再读了，但还是坚持又读了一个学期。另一个则发现自己很受女生欢迎，聚会玩乐有点过头，结果失去了奖学金，在大一结束后就退学了。
They joined the Marine corps 3 or 4 months apart. Both completed their four years and came back to our smaller home town to find not too many jobs. In this time, I went to college myself and got an engineering degree and was working for a defense contractor when they both came back.
They bounced around between jobs but there’s just not a lot to choose from so I suggested they come to the city where I was and look for jobs. I was renting an older two bedroom house and used one bedroom as an office. One of the guys took that room over and the other slept on the couch for about 6 weeks. They both found jobs that would tide them over but they weren’t great. One of the guys met a recruiter for one of the military contractors through somebody else that he knew from the Marines. He talked to the other and they decided to sign up.
他们相隔三四个月先后加入了海军陆战队。两人都服满了四年兵役，回到了我们那个小家乡，却发现工作机会并不多。这段时间里，我自己去上了大学，拿到了工程学位，当他们回来时，我正在一家国防承包商那里工作。
他们换了好几份工作，但选择实在太少，所以我建议他们来我所在的城市找工作。我当时租了一栋旧的两居室房子，其中一间卧室被我用作办公室。这两个家伙中的一个接管了那个房间，另一个在沙发上睡了大约6周。他们俩都找到了一份勉强糊口的工作，但都不太好。其中一个通过他在海军陆战队认识的人，遇到了一家军事承包商的招聘人员。他和另一个商量了一下，决定签约。
We talked about it and it was presented this way. They were both over there. They did and saw some shitty things for $20k per year. They were going back for over $200k per year and it would be tax free. I later learned they were pulling down closer to $300k per year with bonuses.
It has been about four years. They are banking most of what they make. I am checking out a farm house on 30 acres for one of them next weekend. He found it on Zillow and likes the look of it but he wants somebody to really check it out. It’s out in the country and he said it’s exactly what he’s looking for. I’ll email him pics and tell him what I think. If he likes it, he’s going to wire the cash over and buy it. He plans to move back home after his current contract is up unless he gets sent home earlier with the Afghan withdrawal.
我们谈过这件事，情况是这样的。他们以前都去过那边（战场）。当时他们每年挣2万美元，却要做并且目睹一些糟糕透顶的事情。而这次回去，年薪超过20万美元，而且是免税的。后来我才知道，加上奖金，他们每年的收入接近30万美元。
现在已经过去了大约四年。他们把赚来的大部分钱都存了起来。下周末我要帮其中一个去看一栋占地30英亩的农舍。他在Zillow（房产网站）上看到的，很喜欢它的样子，但他想找人实地好好检查一下。房子在乡下，他说这正是他想要的。我会发照片邮件给他，并告诉他我的看法。如果他满意，他就会直接电汇现金把房子买下来。他计划在目前的合同结束后搬回老家，除非因为阿富汗撤军而提前被送回来。
The other friend doesn’t know what he wants to do so he’s planning on working until they run out of work.
These are private contractors. I don’t know specifics on what they do but they do things that requires experience and that our government doesn’t want to do directly. They get paid well but I think it’s pretty dangerous based on the places I know they have worked. They’re just regular guys who grew up without much money and they get paid more than they could make anywhere else.
另一个朋友还不知道自己想做什么，所以他打算一直干下去，直到没有活儿干为止。
他们是私人承包商。我不知道他们具体做什么，但他们做的事情需要经验，而且是我们政府不想直接去做的。他们的薪水很高，但根据我知道的他们工作过的地方来看，我觉得这相当危险。他们只是普通的家伙，成长过程中没什么钱，但现在他们挣的钱比在其他任何地方都要多。
Roland Bartetzko former soldier
罗兰·巴泰茨科 前士兵
Last month, I was invited to a barbecue where I met an American Private Military Contractor who works for “Academi”, the former Blackwater.
The guy is a K-9 handler with several “tours” to Afghanistan and we had a long chat about it. What surprised me about this man were two things:
He had no military background whatsoever. I always thought that these companies, especially when they send US citizens to a war zone, would only rely on former soldiers. However, the guy explained to me that he had received extensive military training with the US Army unit he later deployed with to Afghanistan.
上个月，我受邀参加了一个烧烤会，在那里我遇到了一位为“阿卡德米”（前身为黑水公司）工作的美国私营军事承包商人员。
这家伙是一名军犬训导员，去过阿富汗好几次，我们就此聊了很久。这个人让我惊讶的地方有两点：
他完全没有军事背景。我一直以为这些公司，特别是在派遣美国公民去战区时，只会依赖退伍军人。然而，这家伙向我解释说，他后来随那支美军部队部署到阿富汗时，接受了该部队提供的广泛军事训练。
The guy had a large tattoo on his left forearm which very much resembled the emblem of the US Army Special Forces. Therefore, when I met him, my first question was, “You were SOF?” He said he got the tattoo in Afghanistan with the consent of the commander of the military unit he was attached to.
Paramilitary dog handlers in the United States. (Photo: itstactical).
The guy was polite, friendly, and honest: no, he had never served in the military, no he never saw combat, and yes, he only went to AFG for the money.
这家伙的左前臂上有一个很大的纹身，非常像美国陆军特种部队的徽章。因此，当我见到他时，我的第一个问题是：“你是特种部队（SOF）的？”他说这个纹身是他在阿富汗纹的，征得了他所隶属的军事单位指挥官的同意。
美国的准军事犬只训导员。（图片来源：itstactical）。
这家伙彬彬有礼、友好且诚实：他从未服过兵役；他从未见过战斗；是的，他去阿富汗纯粹是为了钱。
To be honest, as someone who has fought in two wars, not for the money (there was none), but for a just cause, I generally do not really have a lot of sympathies for these PMC guys. They are from a completely different world than I am from.
In addition, the guy was a big Trump supporter. As his boss Erik Prince is the brother of Trump's former secretary of education Betsy DeVos, I shouldn't have been surprised about it. You don't bite the hand that feeds you.
老实说，作为一个参加过两场战争的人，我打仗不是为了钱（当时也没什么钱），而是为了正义的事业，我通常对这些私营军事承包商人员没什么好感。他们和我属于完全不同的两个世界。
此外，这家伙是特朗普的铁杆支持者。鉴于他的老板埃里克·普林斯是特朗普前教育部长贝琪·德沃斯的弟弟，我本不该对此感到惊讶。毕竟没人会去咬喂自己吃饭的那只手。
Robert Morrelli Former Squad Leader at U.S. Army (1989–2004)
罗伯特·莫雷利 前美国陆军班长（1989–2004）
If nothing else, these private military companies have been the reason 1000’s of combat veterans are still alive today. I also found myself deep in the clutches of suicide after my departure from Battalion, 3 tours of Shitbagistan and a plethora of injury's. The private soldier gave me a chance work shit out in my head while doing the only thing I was good at…shooting bad guys in the face.
撇开其他不谈，这些私营军事公司是成千上万战斗老兵至今仍活着的原因。我在离开营队后，经历了三次“烂泥斯坦”（指阿富汗）部署和无数伤病，也曾深陷自杀的念头中。私营军事这份工作给了我一个机会，让我在做我唯一擅长的事情——也就是把坏人的脸轰烂——的同时，理清了脑子里的一团乱麻。
22 veterans and active service members commit suicide EVERY DAY!! There is shit load of us, like me, that were raised in good, God fearing familys…but we were poor with not much chance to break the cycle. In the military we accel, we rise fast and uphold our oath with our lives. If we are discharged because of injury, we know nothing else in terms of a skill set. The private soldier aspect breaths life into someone that may be looking at a dark ending.
每天都有22名退伍军人和现役军人自杀！！我们有一大堆像我这样的人，在敬畏上帝的良好家庭中长大……但我们很穷，没有多少机会打破这个循环。在军队里我们表现出色，晋升迅速，并以生命捍卫我们的誓言。如果我们因伤退伍，在技能方面我们一无所知。私营军事这份工作为那些可能正面临黑暗结局的人注入了新的生命力。
Stil Awesome
斯蒂尔·奥索姆
I’ve been both
I didn't work for Black water though, from what I understand they were largely disbanded by the time I left Iraq and came into the world of private contracting.
I worked for tac worldwide and SRI international who did opfor training with the military in the United States so I never went overseas (I told other companies I don't care how much your paying, i’m NEVER going back to Iraq)
这两种身份我都当过。不过我没在黑水公司工作过，据我所知，当我离开伊拉克进入私营承包领域时，他们基本上已经解散了
我曾在塔克环球公司和斯坦福国际研究所工作，他们在美国境内为军方提供假想敌训练，所以我从未出过国（我告诉其他公司，不管你们给多少钱，我绝不再回伊拉克）。
Majority of the veterans who went back as contractors were the ‘combat vets’ who never saw combat when they were deployed so they thought they would not see it as contractors, only to realize that wasn't the case and they were in a conflict zone with no military support - they quickly regretted it
I'd seen far for then my fair share so I wasn't going back EVER.
Being opfor was fun (I got to play the insurgent and sneak up on complacent Junior enlisted and LTs)
大多数回去当承包商的老兵都是那些在部署期间从未见过战斗的“战斗老兵”，所以他们以为当承包商也不会遇到战斗，结果才发现并非如此，而且他们身处冲突区却没有军事支援——他们很快就后悔了。
我见过的战斗早就够多了，所以我绝不再回去。
做假想敌很有趣（我可以扮演叛乱分子，偷袭那些自满的初级士兵和中尉）。
Most importantly , it was safe (simulating war in a controlled environment without leaving Florida)
And of course the price was right - around $2k a week after taxes (this was in 2009) which was good pay for a 23 year old with no college degree. It was long hours (meet at hotel at 4am for breakfast, drive to base at 5am finish by 6–7pm depending on why the military was done training.
最重要的是，这很安全（在受控环境中模拟战争，而且不用离开佛罗里达）。
当然，价格也很合适——税后每周大约2000美元（那是在2009年），对于一个没有大学学位的23岁年轻人来说，这是一份不错的薪水。工作时间很长（凌晨4点在酒店集合吃早餐，5点开车去基地，下午6-7点结束，具体取决于军方何时训练结束）。
Being a contractor required the same, if not longer hours than the military
But being a contractor paid significantly better.
The army preaches benefits but the benefits are rarely allowed to be used during service and aren't available after service except VA (which isn't the best) and the gibill which is probably the only thing making the military worth it (after 4 years of hard slog)
做承包商的工作时间如果不比军队长，那也是一样长。
但做承包商的薪水要高得多。
军队鼓吹福利，但这些福利在服役期间很少被允许使用，退役后除了退伍军人事务部（VA，而且不是最好的）和《退伍军人权利法案》（GI Bill，这可能是唯一让军队值得待下去的东西，前提是你熬过了4年的苦差事）之外，其他的都没有。
The truth is, with the hours I was pulling i could make more money as a contractor than being on minimum salary and living in a box eating garbage with benefits I never get a chance to use.
Contracting has no benefits but the pay let's you buy whatever you need.
The military offers “ benefits “ that fail to meet your needs
事实是，以我工作的时长，做承包商能赚更多的钱，而不是拿着微薄的薪水，住在像盒子一样的地方，吃着垃圾食品，还守着那些我永远没机会用的福利。
承包工作没有福利，但工资让你想买什么就能买什么。
军队提供的“福利”无法满足你的需求。
The military demands it has it's needs met (not yours)
Contracting is more popular than being in the military for that exact reason.
If you're going to be doing the same work, why not get your needs met?
军队要求的是满足它的需求（而不是你的）。
正因为这个确切的原因，承包工作比在军队里更受欢迎。
如果你要做同样的工作，为什么不让自己的需求得到满足呢？
Morningstar Native American
晨星 美国原住民
VerY LEEry of the entire contractor scene. And I say this as a combat veteran that was active duty in Iraq, working alongside various contractors, INCLUDING Blackwater.
我对整个承包商圈子非常警惕。我是以一名在伊拉克服役的战斗老兵的身份说这番话的，我曾与包括黑水公司在内的各种承包商共事。
Some will say that they perform a valuable service that frees up military manpower. But, while I can understand the argument, I don’t necessarily agree with that totally. They might have filled in a certain gap that existed going into GWOT (or, still exists maybe) as far as personal protection, or security details go.
But, I think there could just as easily be internal units or outfits that could specialize in these kind of operations.
The argument against this approach is that it would require time, money and it’s a matter of allocation of resources.
有些人会说，他们提供了宝贵的服务，解放了军事人力。但是，虽然我能理解这个论点，但我并不完全同意。就个人保护或安全细节而言，他们可能填补了进入全球反恐战争（GWOT）时存在的某些空白（或者说现在可能仍然存在）。
但是，我认为军队内部完全可以组建专门从事这类行动的单位或机构。
反对这种做法的理由是，这需要时间、金钱，而且涉及资源分配的问题。
But, much of the elite PMCs are made up of ex-SOF guys anyway. They got all of that expensive training while in the service and then they jumped to the contracting side. Then, the government turns around and would pay them 6-figure salaries, plus the handling fee to the companies that run these contracting businesses. How much is this overall bill to protect generals or high level government employees? Is it REALLY cost effective, in the long-run? Or, is the military so inflexible that they can’t field security details at the same caliber?
I don’t know if I buy that. Although, if someone has a breakdown of the costs for fielding such teams or why it’s better to go with contracts…I’d love to see that data.
但是，大多数精英私营军事公司（PMC）反正都是由前特种部队（SOF）人员组成的。他们在服役期间接受了所有昂贵的训练，然后跳槽到了承包方。然后，政府回过头来支付他们六位数的薪水，还要加上给经营这些承包业务的公司的手续费。保护将军或高级政府雇员的总账单是多少？从长远来看，这真的具有成本效益吗？或者，是因为军队太僵化，无法派出同等水准的安全特遣队？
我不知道我是否相信这种说法。不过，如果有人能提供组建此类团队的成本明细，或者为什么签订合同更好……我很想看看那些数据。
Dallas McKay Worked at U.S. Army
达拉斯·麦凯 曾在美国陆军工作
Depends on what you mean by PMC. Some of these guys are plumbers, truck drivers and other support type people. Most of them are decent folks, professional about their work and do good work.
Some are local security types on the FOB or other installation. They man the towers and gates and walk patrol. Most of them are from poor countries like Uganda. They take care of a lot of the drudgery work that has to be done. The guys in charge of them usually had military service in first world army, and did decent work. They had their hands full with guys they were in charge of, as many of them weren't exactly the best of the best.
这取决于你所说的PMC是指什么。其中一些人是水管工、卡车司机和其他支援型人员。他们大多数都是正派的人，对工作很专业，活儿干得也不错。
有些是在前线作战基地（FOB）或其他设施工作的当地安保人员。他们负责守卫塔楼、大门和巡逻。他们大多来自乌干达等贫穷国家。他们承担了许多必须要做的苦差事。负责管理他们的人通常在第一世界的军队服过役，工作做得也不错。他们要管好手下这帮人已经忙得不可开交了，因为手下很多人并不是什么精英中的精英。
Finally, you had the personal security types. A lot of them were former members of elite organizations. By and large, they weren't an issue on a personal level. The problem we had with them was they kind of got in the way. More than once, they'd head out into a place they shouldn't have been and we had to send in the Cavalry to rescue them. Or, they'd be where they were supposed to be, but lack the resources to deal with a crisis, and again, we'd have to shift resources to alleviate their strife. They were hard to communicate with, did little to no coordination with us regular army types and had a different rule book that caused friction. A lot of the problems with these guys weren't the contractors fault. They had an employer to answer to who would undermine thier efforts to play nice. Again, these guys were mostly OK personality and competence wise.
最后，还有一类是私人安保人员。他们很多人是精英组织的前成员。总的来说，在个人层面上他们不是问题。我们和他们之间的问题是，他们有点碍事。他们不止一次地闯入不该去的地方，结果我们不得不派出骑兵去营救他们。或者，他们待在该待的地方，却缺乏应对危机的资源，结果我们又得调动资源去缓解他们的冲突。他们很难沟通，几乎不与我们正规军进行协调，而且他们有一套不同的规则手册，这引起了摩擦。这些家伙的很多问题并不是承包商的错。他们要对雇主负责，而雇主往往会破坏他们想搞好关系的努力。再说一次，这些人在性格和能力上大多是没问题的。
I ran into a few guys I knew from earlier in my career. One was a guy who went SF, then got out. Another was cop in the civilian sector after he did his four years. I also saw some of the same contractors more than once. I met a guy on my very last tour in Iraq who was a contractor on my camp in Bosnia 15 years prior. He was the motor pool guy who worked on civilian style vehicles in both places.
我遇到过几个我职业生涯早期就认识的人。一个是加入了特种部队（SF）然后退役的家伙。另一个是服役四年后去当警察的。我也不止一次见过同样的承包商。在我最后一次去伊拉克时，我遇到了一个人，15年前我在波斯尼亚的营地时他就是那里的承包商。他是负责车辆维护的人，在两个地方都修民用风格的车辆。
They Call Me....steve Lives in Baltimore
Most people have no idea what they actually do. They are not out there doing search and destroy missions. they are not taking and holding ground. they are doing security work.
大家叫我……史蒂夫 居住在巴尔的摩
大多数人根本不知道他们实际上在做什么。他们并没有在外面执行搜索和摧毁任务。他们也没有在攻占和守住阵地。他们在做安保工作。
there are two categories High end and low end.
the High end guys have a very small specialized role, They fill that niche roll very well. These were the VIP bodyguards. Ex-SEAL, Ex-Delta. High risk, high pay. they earn it.
分为两类：高端和低端。
高端人员的角色非常小而专，他们非常擅长填补那个特定的位置。这些人是VIP保镖。前海豹突击队员，前三角洲队员。高风险，高报酬。他们赚的是辛苦钱。
The low end. Tower guards. These guys stood guard in the towers and gates at our bigger bases, it was a job any private could be expected to do. But we would have had to send thousands of more troops to do it.(1) by using contractors the Infantry could be used to fight other places and support troops at the big bases can go salsa dancing after work. they made about 60k a year, which is good money for high school grad with one enlistment.
低端人员。塔楼守卫。这些人在我们较大的基地的塔楼和大门站岗，这是任何一个列兵都能做的工作。但如果要我们自己做，就得再派数千名士兵去。(1)通过使用承包商，步兵可以被派往其他地方作战，而大基地的支援部队下班后可以去跳萨尔萨舞。他们一年大约赚6万美元，对于一个只服役过一次的高中毕业生来说，这是一笔不错的收入。
EDIT:
Most of them are pretty cool.
The service members who really hate contractors are the ones the contractors won’t hire.
真正讨厌承包商的服役人员，是那些承包商不雇佣的人。
补充：他们大多数人都很酷。
But, there was that one guy who thought he was a tier one operator. He was their version of Sargent of the Guard. he went around delivering take out plates to guys in the towers and would park his truck directly in front of the drone launcher when the drone guys were trying to launch.
“ Hey man can you not park there when we are trying to launch? we can’t launch over you, its a safety rule”
但是，有那么一个家伙，以为自己是一级特战队员。他是他们那边的卫兵长。他到处给塔楼里的人送外卖盘子，而且当无人机操作员试图发射时，他会把卡车直接停在无人机发射器前面。
“嘿伙计，我们要发射的时候你能别停那儿吗？我们不能从你头顶发射，这是安全规定。”
“ Yeah well you know sometimes the base gets attacked and we need to go where we need to go”(2)
“……are we under attack right now master chief?…..Don’t park in front of the launcher when there's a bird on the rails.”
no one really cares how many contractors you send. But the troop level gets reported in the news. Not once in the year I was at that site was it directly attacked.
“是啊，但你知道有时候基地会被袭击，我们得去我们该去的地方。”(2)
“……士官长，我们现在被袭击了吗？……当滑轨上有‘鸟’（指无人机）的时候，别停在发射器前面。”
没人真正在乎你派多少承包商去。但驻军人数是会被新闻报道的。我在那个基地的那一年里，它一次都没有被直接袭击过。
Devon Stavrowsky Former Army SF Medic, Cal Guard Officer, Retired Cop (1968–2005)
德文·斯塔夫罗斯基 前陆军特种部队军医，加州国民警卫队军官，退休警察（1968–2005）
Originally Answered: As a combat veteran, what do you think of Private Military contractors? (ex. Blackwater)?
原问题：作为一名战斗老兵，你如何看待私营军事承包商？（例如黑水公司）？
I’ve known a few. Good guys mostly. And typically very competent if they are working for a decent organization (or they would not have been hired). And they can be extremely effective. I get a chuckle when I think of how easily Executive Outcomes demolished the RUF in Sierra Leone, though that force outnumbered them roughly 100 to 1. The UN has a lot of heartache with them, because as a non-governmental organization, they have little control or even influence over them. And they can be a pain in the ass for politicians from various places where they are employed.
我认识几个。大多是好人。而且如果他们为一个正派的组织工作，通常都非常有能力（否则他们也不会被录用）。他们可以非常高效。想到“执行结果”公司（Executive Outcomes）在塞拉利昂是如何轻松摧毁“革命联合阵线”（RUF）的，我就想笑，尽管那支部队的人数大约是他们的100倍。联合国对他们很头疼，因为作为一个非政府组织，联合国对他们几乎没有控制权，甚至没有影响力。而且对于他们受雇地区的政客来说，他们可能是个麻烦。
The US uses them to supplement our forces in hot areas extensively. They sometimes create political shit-storms when they exceed their authority or rules of engagement, but as a soldier, I have little heartache with them as long as they are on my side and not doing something stupid and unauthorized that is going to cause me problems. That doesn’t happen a lot. They tend to be very cooperative. It’s mostly just another good guy with a gun on the street as far as I’m concerned. And they certainly have been heroic on more than one occasion. The guys who stood off the hoards at Benghazi for 13 hours were private contractors… and as heroic a bunch as you are ever going to find.
美国广泛利用他们在热点地区补充我们的兵力。当他们越权或违反交战规则时，有时会制造政治风暴，但作为一名士兵，只要他们站在我这边，并且不做那些会给我惹麻烦的愚蠢且未经授权的事情，我对他们就没什么意见。这种事并不常发生。他们往往非常配合。在我看来，这基本上就是街上多了一个带枪的好人。而且他们肯定不止一次表现得很英勇。在班加西顶住暴徒长达13个小时的那些人就是私营承包商……他们是你所能找到的最英勇的一群人。
Matthew McPadden Former 19Delta-Recon Intelligence Cavalry Scout at USArmy (1985–2008)
马修·麦克帕登 前美国陆军19Delta侦察情报骑兵斥候（1985–2008）
Well this is what I feel about it but I try not to judge other veterans. As for me I always say this about my nearly thirty years in and countless deployments during that time.
嗯，这就是我的感受，但我尽量不去评判其他退伍军人。至于我自己，关于我在军中近三十年的时光以及期间无数次的部署，我总是这样说。
“It wasn't who I was, it was what I did”. I didn't do it for my country, folks back in the world, didn't do it for my lady and kids either, mom and dad back home or to keep folks free (by the way our military hasn't fought for and to continue freedom in this country sense the Colonial War. When the government says that it makes me gringe). If that's all your fighting for you will last bearly past you first deployment. I did it and all us lifers for that guy and gal next to you. The band of the hand. Keeping soldiers young and old alive and being able to bring us all home is the only reason for me and others like myself and orders are orders. That's the job, that's the life!
“这无关我是谁，只关乎我做了什么”。我这么做不是为了我的国家，不是为了后方的人们，也不是为了我的妻儿，不是为了远在家乡的父母，更不是为了让人们获得自由（顺便说一句，自殖民战争以来，我们的军队就没有为了并继续捍卫这个国家的自由而战。当政府这么说时，我觉得很恶心）。如果你只是为了这些而战，你撑不过你的第一次部署。我和我们这些职业军人这么做，是为了你身边的战友。是为了手足之情。保护新兵老兵的生命安全，让我们大家都能活着回家，这是我和像我一样的人唯一的理由，而且军令如山。这就是工作，这就是生活！
So to answer your question. I ain't none to fond of those corporate marc douche bags. Anybody that does it for cash is doing it for the all WRONG reasons period!
所以回答你的问题。我一点也不喜欢那些公司雇佣兵里的混蛋。任何为了钱这么做的人，理由都是完全错误的，没二话！
Back when I went to basic at Ft. Jackson on tank hill all those years ago at 16 in 85 my drill sargeant said this to us. “Trainees, taking a human life is an unnatural act. It's dirty business and make no mistake maggots you ain't sending them to hell, your going there. Just like Abraham to Isaac there isn't no rightous or good reason to do it even if God herself (ya, he said it, a women) commands it so. Once you think there is a good enough reason or find yourself liking it, its time to go home to Mary Jane rotten crotch! Now fall in lady's”!
多年前，1985年我16岁的时候，去杰克逊堡的坦克山参加基础训练，我的教官曾对我们说过这番话。“新兵们，夺取人命是一种违背自然的行为。这是肮脏的勾当，别搞错了，蛆虫们，你们不是在送他们下地狱，你们是在把自己送下地狱。就像亚伯拉罕对以撒一样，即使是上帝她自己（是的，他就是这么说的，上帝是个女人）下令这么做，也没有任何正义或正当的理由。一旦你认为有足够好的理由，或者发现自己很喜欢这么做，那就是时候回家去找那个烂裤裆的玛丽·简（指毒品或糜烂生活）了！现在集合，女士们！”
It was good advice and his insight was impeccable than and especially now! I used that same statement to my troops many times when I was a drill sargeant.
这是个好建议，他的洞察力在当时就无懈可击，尤其是现在！当我做教官时，我也曾多次对我的部队说过同样的话。
Sergeant First Class Matthew “stick” McPadden (19Delta USArmy retired).
一级军士长马修·“斯蒂克”·麦克帕登（美国陆军19特勤队退役）。
I ran into a LOT of military contractors while part of the US forces in Kuwait right after Gulf war I and in SFOR in the old Yugoslavia. There were some really fine people there for the money. There were a lot a lot losers who had been “bumped along” by the system and couldn’t do anything else of anywhere near comparable pay in civilian life (guy’s interpreter had to share his bed, etc.) , and there were a lot of people with no military experience (truck drivers, IT people, etc., “when not working (which was most of the time), please try to stay out of sight” so as to not advertise that we have more folks than work).
海湾战争一结束，我作为美军在科威特，以及在旧南斯拉夫的多国稳定部队期间遇到了很多军事承包商。其中有一些人为了钱确实干得不错。但也有很多是被体制“淘汰”下来的失败者，他们在平民生活中找不到任何薪水接近于此的工作（那家伙的翻译不得不和他共用一张床等等），还有很多人根本没有军事经验（卡车司机、IT人员等，他们被告知“不工作的时候——也就是大部分时间，请尽量别让人看见”，以免暴露我们人浮于事的情况）。
Overall, I was not impressed. The US Govt. was not getting good value for their money.
总的来说，我印象不深。美国政府的钱花得不值。
Kwora is Trash
夸拉是垃圾
Originally Answered: As a combat veteran, what do you think of Private Military Contracter (ex. Blackwater)?
原问题：作为一名战斗老兵，你如何看待私营军事承包商（例如黑水公司）？
I applied for a job with Triple Canopy, many years ago. I nearly took the offer, however as part of their interview, they asked about my willingness to accept certain missions. And their question made me think about the concept of risking my life for what reward. In the end, I chose not to make my purpose in life about money, but instead about serving society. I think my view of contractors, is that they have the right to chose their own purpose in life. Everyone has to decide what is important. As long as they are at the very least working with society, instead of against it, then I extend the same respect to them as anyone who performs a risky occupation in order to support themselves and their family.
多年前，我申请了三蓬公司的一份工作。我差点就接受了这份工作，然而在面试过程中，他们问到了我接受特定任务的意愿。他们的问题让我思考，拿生命冒险是为了什么回报。最后，我选择不让金钱成为我生活的目的，而是选择服务社会。我对承包商的看法是，他们有权选择自己生活的目的。每个人都必须决定什么才是重要的。只要他们至少是在配合社会工作，而不是反社会，那么我就会像尊重任何为了养活自己和家人而从事高风险职业的人一样尊重他们。
Tyrone F Reeves Studied at Alabama A&M University
泰龙·F·里夫斯 曾就读于阿拉巴马农工大学
I've known a couple. Heroes for the most part. What's more, ordinarily able in the event that they are working for a respectable association (or they would not have been employed). Also, they can be very viable. I get a laugh when I consider how effectively Executive Outcomes wrecked the RUF in Sierra Leone, however that power dwarfed them around 100 to 1.
我认识几个。大部分是英雄。而且，如果他们是在为一个体面的组织工作，通常都很能干（否则他们也不会被录用）。他们可以非常有战斗力。想到“执行结果”公司在塞拉利昂是如何高效地摧毁“革命联合阵线”的，我就想笑，尽管那支部队的人数是他们的100倍左右。
The UN has a great deal of grief with them, in light of the fact that as a non-administrative association, they have little control or even impact over them. Furthermore, they can be an undeniable irritation for lawmakers from different spots where they are utilized.
The US utilizes them to enhance our powers in hot regions broadly. They here and there make political poop storms when they surpass their power or guidelines of commitment, yet as a fighter, I have little sorrow with them as long as they are my ally and not accomplishing something inept and unapproved that is going to cause me issues. That doesn't occur a great deal. They will, in general, be agreeable.
联合国对他们很头疼，因为作为一个非政府组织，联合国对他们几乎没有控制权，甚至没有影响力。而且对于他们受雇地区的立法者来说，他们无疑是个麻烦。
美国广泛利用他们在热点地区增强我们的力量。当他们越权或违反交战规则时，有时会制造政治粪坑（指丑闻），但作为一名战士，只要他们是我的盟友，并且不做那些会给我惹麻烦的愚蠢且未经授权的事情，我对他们就没什么意见。这种事并不常发生。他们通常都很配合。
It's generally simply one more hero with a firearm in the city to the extent I'm concerned. What's more, they unquestionably have been chivalrous time and again. The folks who remained off the crowds at Benghazi for 13 hours were private contractual workers… and as brave a pack as you are regularly going to discover.
在我看来，这基本上就是城里多了一个带枪的英雄。而且他们肯定不止一次表现得很英勇。在班加西顶住人群长达13个小时的那些人就是私营承包商……他们是你通常能找到的最勇敢的一群人。
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