美国正在朝着国家资本主义发展吗？
正文翻译
The Trump administration is taking direct ownership stakes in private sector companies, from chipmaker Intel to rare earths producer MP Materials, reshaping the relationship between government and markets. Steven Rattner of Willett Advisors and Sarah Bauerle Danzman of the Atlantic Council weigh the merits of national security to justify the government picking winners and losers, and what it means for competition, innovation, and trust in free markets.
特朗普政府正在直接持有私人部门公司的股份，从芯片制造商英特尔到稀土生产商MP Materials，重塑政府与市场之间的关系。Willett Advisors的史蒂文·拉特纳和大西洋理事会的萨拉·鲍尔尔·丹兹曼探讨了国家安全的优势，以此来为政府挑选赢家和输家提供理由，以及这对竞争、创新和对自由市场信任的意义。
The Trump administration is taking direct ownership stakes in private sector companies, from chipmaker Intel to rare earths producer MP Materials, reshaping the relationship between government and markets. Steven Rattner of Willett Advisors and Sarah Bauerle Danzman of the Atlantic Council weigh the merits of national security to justify the government picking winners and losers, and what it means for competition, innovation, and trust in free markets.
特朗普政府正在直接持有私人部门公司的股份，从芯片制造商英特尔到稀土生产商MP Materials，重塑政府与市场之间的关系。Willett Advisors的史蒂文·拉特纳和大西洋理事会的萨拉·鲍尔尔·丹兹曼探讨了国家安全的优势，以此来为政府挑选赢家和输家提供理由，以及这对竞争、创新和对自由市场信任的意义。
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@waynesimpson4081
No it's crony capitalism. Business is not subsidized for "national" interest, but to pay off various political backers or oligarchic monopoly control. It's not the Japanese model, it's the Russian one.
不，这是裙带资本主义。商业不是为了“国家”利益而获得补贴，而是为了回报各种政治支持者或寡头垄断控制。这不是日本模式，而是俄罗斯模式。
@techcafe0
Taxpayers shouldn't be subsidizing and propping up the automobile industry or car ownership, period.
纳税人不应该为汽车工业或汽车拥有权提供补贴和支撑，根本不应该。
@larrygreen9038
China has done a great job of stimulating key industries using government involvement hybrid with semi free capitalism. The problem isn’t Trump’s strategy. As always it’s his lazy execution which exposes the program to corruption inside trading and culture wars motivated pressure
中国在政府介入和半自由资本主义的结合下成功地刺激了关键行业。问题不在于特朗普的战略，而是他懒散的执行暴露了这个计划的腐败、内部交易和动机驱动的文化战争压力。
@nemonemo8603
So, in the end, the USA too has gone over to the darkside of state-controlled economy.
所以，最终，美国也走上了国家控制经济的黑暗面。
@m2useinu
Steel isn't a national security issue? You need to maintain steel production domestically.
钢铁不是国家安全问题？你需要保持国内的钢铁生产。
@LimitlessTradingInc
Once the government starts taking stakes in individual companies like they do in europe and other countries.The answer is yes.
一旦政府开始像欧洲和其他国家那样对个别公司进行投资，答案就是肯定的。
@aleksandarm4489
That's also called Communism ... the irony.
这也叫做共产主义……真是讽刺。
@osark2487
There is a name for it, its called Technocracy. Its an old idea from the 1930's born in Canada. The map of the Technate of America, published back then is quite interesting, and would help people that are lost, with the latest geo-politic events of the White House, understand a lot of what is happening, and what's to come.
这有一个名字，叫做技术统治。它是上世纪30年代在加拿大产生的一个古老想法。那时候出版的美国技术国家地图非常有趣，可以帮助那些对白宫最新地缘政治事件感到迷茫的人理解许多正在发生的事情，以及未来将会发生的事情。
@jontalbot1
For nearly 50 years we have been told what counts is unfettered markets and stockholder dividends. During that time China has developed by doing the exact opposite. So its not too surprising governments around the world are copying them. Personally l have always been in favor. We know far more now about how economic growth occurs and its just stupid to carry on as if we have learned nothing.
近50年来，我们被告知重要的是不受限制的市场和股东红利。在此期间，中国通过做完全相反的事情发展壮大。因此，全球各国政府模仿他们也就不足为奇了。就我个人而言，我一直持赞成态度。我们现在对经济增长的发生有了更多了解，继续假装我们什么都没学到是愚蠢的。
@nekoforest7054
In ancient days investors thought free market is more productive than planned economy because information sharing and processing were immature. In the era of information, planned economy governed by smart offcials is more productive than free-market. Think smart.
在古代，投资者认为自由市场比计划经济更具生产力，因为信息共享和处理还不成熟。在信息时代，由聪明官员管理的计划经济比自由市场更具生产力。要思考得更聪明。
@oliverstianhugaas7493
Worthless companies that keep losing money, they should be nationalized to stop the incompetence. The "free market" has been failing since 2008 and every time they fail they come crying to the government! Steven Rattner seems to think that the government hands out "free money" but in fact the government is handing out the taxpayers money.
那些不断亏损的毫无价值的公司应该被国有化，以阻止无能的行为。“自由市场”自2008年以来就一直在失败，每次它们失败时都来找政府哭诉！史蒂文·拉特纳似乎认为政府在发放“免费钱”，但实际上政府是在发放纳税人的钱。
@DwynAgGaire
Does the theory match the reality? Market economies are touted as superior but if they/we are failing to compete with state managed ones, does that not poke some holes in that assertion? Then look at the need for an energy transition, western economies have been pitifully slow in rising to the challenge of allocating capital to meet this necessity. And we've 'known' about the issues with greenhouse gasses with high certainty since the 1960's. Even with all of it's successes, and they are many, our systems, of governance and economics have failed us pretty badly, perhaps even catastrophically so. I think it's time to be less dogmatic about our ideologies and more pragmatic about the solutions.
理论与现实相符吗？市场经济被宣传为优越，但如果我们无法与国家管理的经济体竞争，这是否会对这种说法提出质疑？再看看能源转型的必要性，西方经济体在应对这一挑战上缓慢得可悲，资本配置的速度远远不够。自1960年代以来，我们对温室气体问题的认识已经非常明确。尽管我们的治理和经济系统有许多成功之处，但它们在很大程度上未能满足我们的需求，甚至可能是灾难性的。我认为是时候对我们的意识形态少一些教条主义，对解决方案多一些务实态度了。
@tyreeandrews5078
We need the profits to lower our debt and deficits. I think we reached a point where the government has reached the ceiling when it comes to taxing the American people. Where else can the state go for additional revenues.
我们需要盈利来降低我们的债务和赤字。我认为我们已经达到了政府对美国人民征税的上限。国家还可以从哪里获得额外收入呢？
@WebHealthEnthusiast
More likely is that America is headed to a third and final impeachment. And perhaps even a VP impeachment after the midterms flip the House and Senate.
更可能的是，美国正走向第三次也是最后一次弹劾。而且在中期选举后，副总统也可能被弹劾，国会和参议院将翻盘。
@sharun.s-yt
It doesn't matter what they do. This is like talking about controlling the path of a hurricane. Both sides are operating on what can be called religious beliefs, because of the level of unpredictability and complexity being faced. Instead of admitting that there is lot of unnecessary habitus based theatre going on to provide illusion of control. We know from history religious beliefs don't upxe themselves as fast as the world changes so this theatre will continue and can be safely ignored.
他们做什么都无所谓。这就像在谈论控制飓风的路径。双方都在基于可以称之为宗教信仰的东西运作，因为面临的不可预测性和复杂性程度。与其承认有很多不必要的习惯性剧场在上演，以提供控制的假象，不如直面现实。我们从历史中知道，宗教信仰不会像世界变化那么快而自我更新，因此这种剧场会继续下去，可以安全地忽略。
@JarheadMcLovin
State run capitalism with a guy at the helm who's run 14+ companies into the ground, what could go wrong???
国家主导的资本主义，掌舵的人却是把14家以上公司搞垮的家伙，这有什么可能出错呢？？？
@Gabeyre
5 Billion dollars from middle east Yet Man Utd said no to the same deal to sell their football team to the same people billions due to moral high ground claims...Eat it or Have it. One way or the other
来自中东的50亿美元，但曼联却因道德高地的理由拒绝了同样的交易，把他们的足球队卖给同样的人……要么接受，要么就忍受。无论如何。
@marcelroy6034
State capitalism would imply that ownership would be with the people. This is more the fascist variant of grift oligarchy. So wrong question
国家资本主义意味着所有权应该属于人民。这更像是掠夺性寡头的法西斯变种。所以问题问错了。
@JackJanuary
If only. He’s just turning the US into his own private feudal domain.
State capitalism would be a fantastic way to fix America’s problems but not the way the Republicans will do it.
如果真是这样就好了。他只是把美国变成他自己的私人封建领地。国家资本主义本来是解决美国问题的好方法，但不是共和党人所做的那种方式。
@happyt98
So we are listening to a man who literally gave bailouts to auto companies and had the government invest into these crappy companies and then sell it off for a loss? What an idiot.
所以我们在听一个人说话，他实际上给汽车公司提供了救助，并让政府投资这些糟糕的公司，然后以亏损的方式出售？真是个笨蛋。
@FecalContaminationHasOccured
He wants leverage over companies, industries and eventually, the entire economy. He will use this as one of his trump cards to make the companies do what he wants.
他想要对公司、行业，最终是整个经济施加影响。他将把这作为他的王牌之一，让公司按照他的意愿行事。
@casenumber8799
State capitalism is a slippery slope leading to Evangelical authoritarianism. Control of businesses is a specific goal of the Christian nationalists Seven Mountain Mandate. Ironically, they use a frxwork developed by communists.
国家资本主义是一条通往福音派威权主义的滑坡。对企业的控制是基督教民族主义者“七山使命”的一个具体目标。讽刺的是，他们使用的是共产主义者开发的框架。
@klove5765
It's called Socialism because the profits will eventually go to Social Programs, as it should if using tax dollars
这叫做社会主义，因为利润最终会用于社会项目，如果使用纳税人的钱，这样做是应该的。
@mystuffyesmystuff
You could call it socialism or democratic socialism. Finishing the party swap as right wing Democrats rebel against socialist democrats and progressives like Mamdani and AOC.
你可以称之为社会主义或民主社会主义。随着右翼民主党人反抗像曼达尼和AOC这样的社会主义民主党人和进步派，政党的交换正在完成。
@BanacaNation
It’s fascism, seen before. Capital still runs the show, the government is propping up capitalism as the contradictions heighten. You wont see any capitalists running the show in China, the CPC steers and controls capital to work for the state and its people, not the other way around.
这是法西斯主义，之前见过。资本仍然主导着一切，政府在支撑资本主义，因为矛盾加剧。你不会看到任何资本家在中国掌控局面，中国gcd引导和控制资本为国家和人民服务，而不是相反。
@rd9102
Trump likes to do what he likes to do. Thankfully he is only there for a limited time and hopefully we will get an actual leader who isn't trying to line his pockets when he is replaced.
特朗普喜欢做自己想做的事。谢天谢地，他在那里的时间是有限的，希望我们能得到一个真正的领导人，而不是试图趁机捞钱的人来替代他。
@tamarazwinak
China stole our technology. That is how they raced ahead. America's strength is free-market innovation. Trump's policy will be a disaster for the U.S. Never forget, he filed bankruptcy six times.
中国Qie取了我们的技术。这就是他们迅速发展的原因。美国的优势在于自由市场的创新。特朗普的政策将对美国造成灾难。永远不要忘记，他破产了六次。
@FritztheCat74-k8e
State capitalism or state corporatism? The former wants to run corporations, creating patronage positions. The latter wants to insure the production of materials, information, and services according to its requirements, insuring profits, perhaps taking a share of profits, but without active participation in the direction of the firm. Bloomberg, who hates Trump, favors the former, Trump the latter. Wilson practiced the latter during W.W. 1, as did FDR during the Depression and during W.W. 2. Trump needs a war/depression to do what they did.
国家资本主义还是国家企业主义？前者想要管理公司，创造裙带关系职位；后者则希望根据自身的需求确保材料、信息和服务的生产，确保利润，可能会拿走一部分利润，但不主动参与公司的决策。讨厌特朗普的彭博偏向前者，而特朗普偏向后者。威尔逊在第一次世界大战期间采用了后者，罗斯福在大萧条和第二次世界大战期间也是如此。特朗普需要一场战争/萧条才能做他们所做的事情。
@melhudson8448
Capitalism isn't as much an agent issue as authoritarianism.
资本主义的问题不在于代理人，而在于威权主义。
@marianam8643
I think you will find that it has always been an oligarchy, of the rich, by the rich and for the rich. Had it not been, the rich would have made it collapse. Or the rich from other countries would have sanctioned it, invaded it, bombed it. Anything to make it fall.
我认为你会发现这一直是一个寡头统治，由富人主导，为富人服务。如果不是这样，富人早就让它崩溃了。或者来自其他国家的富人会对其制裁、入侵、轰炸。为了让它垮掉，做什么都行。
@JoeChroPA1982
Its an absolute embarrassment and it will make us all poorer and stuck with am overbearing and ever more wasteful and indebted government. All because of one egomaniacal economic illiterate.
这真是一个绝对的羞耻，它会让我们所有人变得更贫穷，陷入一个日益强势、浪费和负债累累的政府中。这一切都因为一个自我中心的经济文盲。
@plpk
I literally laughed so hard and I’m not being mean. It’s just the title really got me. It’s basically Socialism from these people that hate socialism.
我真的笑得很厉害，我并不是在刻薄。标题真的让我忍俊不禁。这基本上是这些讨厌社会主义的人搞的社会主义。
@carolhou-i2u
I want to say something maybe you have already known. some countries criticize China a lot. but deep down, they all are the same . they just have different covers defined in different ways. one example, they talk down Chinese guanxi, but they have social networking which can go even further
我想说一些你可能已经知道的事情。一些国家对中国的批评很多，但实际上，他们都是一样的，只是外表不同，定义方式各异。一个例子是，他们贬低中国的关系，但他们有社交网络，甚至可以更进一步。
@eskutts
America is best understood as Titanic, this foolish Trump regime is the Iceberg, the Wealthy are the First Class passengers, have enough resources and so they are already on the Lifeboats. The Middle Class is the Second Class passengers, struggling to survive, the poor are the Third Class passengers, large in numbers with no access to life boats. The MAGA people are like Titanic's electrical engineers, struggling to keep the ship/Trump regime afloat but ultimately none of them survives.
美国最好的理解就像泰坦尼克号，这个愚蠢的特朗普政权就是冰山，富人是头等舱乘客，拥有足够的资源，早已上了救生艇。中产阶级是二等舱乘客，挣扎求生；而贫穷的人则是三等舱乘客，人数众多却没有救生艇可上。支持特朗普的人就像泰坦尼克号的电气工程师，努力保持船/特朗普政权的运转，但最终他们没有一个人能幸存。
@SoillessMedia
This eliminates competition, which eliminates innovation, which is detrimental to national security. Innovation is what sets America apart from the world, but for this, freedom is necessary.
这消除了竞争，进而消除了创新，这对国家安全是有害的。创新是使美国与世界不同的关键，但为此，自由是必要的。
@pirazel7858
There are things where nationalisation makes sense, like critical infrastructure, so you can make sure it works and is available for everyone and doesn't fall under the control of foreign influence like roads, channels, airports, railways. But this buying spree is so random and without any strategy visible
在某些方面，国有化是有意义的，比如关键基础设施，这样可以确保它的正常运作并对所有人可用，而不会落入外国势力的控制之下，例如道路、运河、机场和铁路。但这种疯狂的收购没有任何明显的战略。
@SirHenryBoogle
It’s crossed my mind a few times that Trump’s economic approach seems more and more to be mirroring traditional adversaries.
我几次想过，特朗普的经济政策似乎越来越像传统的对手。
@doubleshot90
It's called Japanification ofbthe economy, that's where the US is headed... The biggest shareholder of the major Japanese companies is the Bank of Japan.
这被称为经济的“日本化”，美国正朝这个方向发展……日本主要公司的最大股东是日本银行。
@jamesbarry1673
There is no denying that capitalism as we knew it is over. But that was a long time coming you cannot have neoliberalism move for 40 years stripping the bottom 80% of any hope of getting ahead and then end up here with crony capitalism without major changes to the concept of capitalism
不可否认的是，我们所知道的资本主义已经结束。但这早已是个必然的结果，不能让新自由主义运行40年，剥夺底层80%人群任何向上流动的希望，然后在没有对资本主义概念进行重大改变的情况下，最终走到今天的裙带资本主义。
@adamrou12345
We have been doing it for a while. We extract the finest sweet crude oil on this planet and we refine more oil than any other country but instead of refining our own good high quality crude we export it and import garbage laden sour crude to refine. We have limited refinery infrastructure for our own easier, cleaner, cheaper to refine oil. We do this because our government allows energy companies to write off royalties paid to foreign governments while they tax the hell out of royalties paid to Americans. They can pay exorbitant bribes to skirt local laws and then write them off while making us dependent on foreign oil.
我们已经这样做了一段时间。我们提炼出这个星球上最优质的甜油，并且精炼的石油比任何其他国家都多，但我们却不是精炼自己的高质量原油，而是出口它，进口含有大量杂质的酸性原油进行精炼。我们对于自己更容易、更清洁、精炼成本更低的石油的炼油基础设施有限。我们这样做是因为我们的政府允许能源公司将支付给外国政府的特许权使用费抵扣，而对支付给美国人的特许权使用费征收高额税收。他们可以支付天价贿赂以规避当地法律，然后将其抵扣，同时让我们依赖外国石油。
No it's crony capitalism. Business is not subsidized for "national" interest, but to pay off various political backers or oligarchic monopoly control. It's not the Japanese model, it's the Russian one.
不，这是裙带资本主义。商业不是为了“国家”利益而获得补贴，而是为了回报各种政治支持者或寡头垄断控制。这不是日本模式，而是俄罗斯模式。
@techcafe0
Taxpayers shouldn't be subsidizing and propping up the automobile industry or car ownership, period.
纳税人不应该为汽车工业或汽车拥有权提供补贴和支撑，根本不应该。
@larrygreen9038
China has done a great job of stimulating key industries using government involvement hybrid with semi free capitalism. The problem isn’t Trump’s strategy. As always it’s his lazy execution which exposes the program to corruption inside trading and culture wars motivated pressure
中国在政府介入和半自由资本主义的结合下成功地刺激了关键行业。问题不在于特朗普的战略，而是他懒散的执行暴露了这个计划的腐败、内部交易和动机驱动的文化战争压力。
@nemonemo8603
So, in the end, the USA too has gone over to the darkside of state-controlled economy.
所以，最终，美国也走上了国家控制经济的黑暗面。
@m2useinu
Steel isn't a national security issue? You need to maintain steel production domestically.
钢铁不是国家安全问题？你需要保持国内的钢铁生产。
@LimitlessTradingInc
Once the government starts taking stakes in individual companies like they do in europe and other countries.The answer is yes.
一旦政府开始像欧洲和其他国家那样对个别公司进行投资，答案就是肯定的。
@aleksandarm4489
That's also called Communism ... the irony.
这也叫做共产主义……真是讽刺。
@osark2487
There is a name for it, its called Technocracy. Its an old idea from the 1930's born in Canada. The map of the Technate of America, published back then is quite interesting, and would help people that are lost, with the latest geo-politic events of the White House, understand a lot of what is happening, and what's to come.
这有一个名字，叫做技术统治。它是上世纪30年代在加拿大产生的一个古老想法。那时候出版的美国技术国家地图非常有趣，可以帮助那些对白宫最新地缘政治事件感到迷茫的人理解许多正在发生的事情，以及未来将会发生的事情。
@jontalbot1
For nearly 50 years we have been told what counts is unfettered markets and stockholder dividends. During that time China has developed by doing the exact opposite. So its not too surprising governments around the world are copying them. Personally l have always been in favor. We know far more now about how economic growth occurs and its just stupid to carry on as if we have learned nothing.
近50年来，我们被告知重要的是不受限制的市场和股东红利。在此期间，中国通过做完全相反的事情发展壮大。因此，全球各国政府模仿他们也就不足为奇了。就我个人而言，我一直持赞成态度。我们现在对经济增长的发生有了更多了解，继续假装我们什么都没学到是愚蠢的。
@nekoforest7054
In ancient days investors thought free market is more productive than planned economy because information sharing and processing were immature. In the era of information, planned economy governed by smart offcials is more productive than free-market. Think smart.
在古代，投资者认为自由市场比计划经济更具生产力，因为信息共享和处理还不成熟。在信息时代，由聪明官员管理的计划经济比自由市场更具生产力。要思考得更聪明。
@oliverstianhugaas7493
Worthless companies that keep losing money, they should be nationalized to stop the incompetence. The "free market" has been failing since 2008 and every time they fail they come crying to the government! Steven Rattner seems to think that the government hands out "free money" but in fact the government is handing out the taxpayers money.
那些不断亏损的毫无价值的公司应该被国有化，以阻止无能的行为。“自由市场”自2008年以来就一直在失败，每次它们失败时都来找政府哭诉！史蒂文·拉特纳似乎认为政府在发放“免费钱”，但实际上政府是在发放纳税人的钱。
@DwynAgGaire
Does the theory match the reality? Market economies are touted as superior but if they/we are failing to compete with state managed ones, does that not poke some holes in that assertion? Then look at the need for an energy transition, western economies have been pitifully slow in rising to the challenge of allocating capital to meet this necessity. And we've 'known' about the issues with greenhouse gasses with high certainty since the 1960's. Even with all of it's successes, and they are many, our systems, of governance and economics have failed us pretty badly, perhaps even catastrophically so. I think it's time to be less dogmatic about our ideologies and more pragmatic about the solutions.
理论与现实相符吗？市场经济被宣传为优越，但如果我们无法与国家管理的经济体竞争，这是否会对这种说法提出质疑？再看看能源转型的必要性，西方经济体在应对这一挑战上缓慢得可悲，资本配置的速度远远不够。自1960年代以来，我们对温室气体问题的认识已经非常明确。尽管我们的治理和经济系统有许多成功之处，但它们在很大程度上未能满足我们的需求，甚至可能是灾难性的。我认为是时候对我们的意识形态少一些教条主义，对解决方案多一些务实态度了。
@tyreeandrews5078
We need the profits to lower our debt and deficits. I think we reached a point where the government has reached the ceiling when it comes to taxing the American people. Where else can the state go for additional revenues.
我们需要盈利来降低我们的债务和赤字。我认为我们已经达到了政府对美国人民征税的上限。国家还可以从哪里获得额外收入呢？
@WebHealthEnthusiast
More likely is that America is headed to a third and final impeachment. And perhaps even a VP impeachment after the midterms flip the House and Senate.
更可能的是，美国正走向第三次也是最后一次弹劾。而且在中期选举后，副总统也可能被弹劾，国会和参议院将翻盘。
@sharun.s-yt
It doesn't matter what they do. This is like talking about controlling the path of a hurricane. Both sides are operating on what can be called religious beliefs, because of the level of unpredictability and complexity being faced. Instead of admitting that there is lot of unnecessary habitus based theatre going on to provide illusion of control. We know from history religious beliefs don't upxe themselves as fast as the world changes so this theatre will continue and can be safely ignored.
他们做什么都无所谓。这就像在谈论控制飓风的路径。双方都在基于可以称之为宗教信仰的东西运作，因为面临的不可预测性和复杂性程度。与其承认有很多不必要的习惯性剧场在上演，以提供控制的假象，不如直面现实。我们从历史中知道，宗教信仰不会像世界变化那么快而自我更新，因此这种剧场会继续下去，可以安全地忽略。
@JarheadMcLovin
State run capitalism with a guy at the helm who's run 14+ companies into the ground, what could go wrong???
国家主导的资本主义，掌舵的人却是把14家以上公司搞垮的家伙，这有什么可能出错呢？？？
@Gabeyre
5 Billion dollars from middle east Yet Man Utd said no to the same deal to sell their football team to the same people billions due to moral high ground claims...Eat it or Have it. One way or the other
来自中东的50亿美元，但曼联却因道德高地的理由拒绝了同样的交易，把他们的足球队卖给同样的人……要么接受，要么就忍受。无论如何。
@marcelroy6034
State capitalism would imply that ownership would be with the people. This is more the fascist variant of grift oligarchy. So wrong question
国家资本主义意味着所有权应该属于人民。这更像是掠夺性寡头的法西斯变种。所以问题问错了。
@JackJanuary
If only. He’s just turning the US into his own private feudal domain.
State capitalism would be a fantastic way to fix America’s problems but not the way the Republicans will do it.
如果真是这样就好了。他只是把美国变成他自己的私人封建领地。国家资本主义本来是解决美国问题的好方法，但不是共和党人所做的那种方式。
@happyt98
So we are listening to a man who literally gave bailouts to auto companies and had the government invest into these crappy companies and then sell it off for a loss? What an idiot.
所以我们在听一个人说话，他实际上给汽车公司提供了救助，并让政府投资这些糟糕的公司，然后以亏损的方式出售？真是个笨蛋。
@FecalContaminationHasOccured
He wants leverage over companies, industries and eventually, the entire economy. He will use this as one of his trump cards to make the companies do what he wants.
他想要对公司、行业，最终是整个经济施加影响。他将把这作为他的王牌之一，让公司按照他的意愿行事。
@casenumber8799
State capitalism is a slippery slope leading to Evangelical authoritarianism. Control of businesses is a specific goal of the Christian nationalists Seven Mountain Mandate. Ironically, they use a frxwork developed by communists.
国家资本主义是一条通往福音派威权主义的滑坡。对企业的控制是基督教民族主义者“七山使命”的一个具体目标。讽刺的是，他们使用的是共产主义者开发的框架。
@klove5765
It's called Socialism because the profits will eventually go to Social Programs, as it should if using tax dollars
这叫做社会主义，因为利润最终会用于社会项目，如果使用纳税人的钱，这样做是应该的。
@mystuffyesmystuff
You could call it socialism or democratic socialism. Finishing the party swap as right wing Democrats rebel against socialist democrats and progressives like Mamdani and AOC.
你可以称之为社会主义或民主社会主义。随着右翼民主党人反抗像曼达尼和AOC这样的社会主义民主党人和进步派，政党的交换正在完成。
@BanacaNation
It’s fascism, seen before. Capital still runs the show, the government is propping up capitalism as the contradictions heighten. You wont see any capitalists running the show in China, the CPC steers and controls capital to work for the state and its people, not the other way around.
这是法西斯主义，之前见过。资本仍然主导着一切，政府在支撑资本主义，因为矛盾加剧。你不会看到任何资本家在中国掌控局面，中国gcd引导和控制资本为国家和人民服务，而不是相反。
@rd9102
Trump likes to do what he likes to do. Thankfully he is only there for a limited time and hopefully we will get an actual leader who isn't trying to line his pockets when he is replaced.
特朗普喜欢做自己想做的事。谢天谢地，他在那里的时间是有限的，希望我们能得到一个真正的领导人，而不是试图趁机捞钱的人来替代他。
@tamarazwinak
China stole our technology. That is how they raced ahead. America's strength is free-market innovation. Trump's policy will be a disaster for the U.S. Never forget, he filed bankruptcy six times.
中国Qie取了我们的技术。这就是他们迅速发展的原因。美国的优势在于自由市场的创新。特朗普的政策将对美国造成灾难。永远不要忘记，他破产了六次。
@FritztheCat74-k8e
State capitalism or state corporatism? The former wants to run corporations, creating patronage positions. The latter wants to insure the production of materials, information, and services according to its requirements, insuring profits, perhaps taking a share of profits, but without active participation in the direction of the firm. Bloomberg, who hates Trump, favors the former, Trump the latter. Wilson practiced the latter during W.W. 1, as did FDR during the Depression and during W.W. 2. Trump needs a war/depression to do what they did.
国家资本主义还是国家企业主义？前者想要管理公司，创造裙带关系职位；后者则希望根据自身的需求确保材料、信息和服务的生产，确保利润，可能会拿走一部分利润，但不主动参与公司的决策。讨厌特朗普的彭博偏向前者，而特朗普偏向后者。威尔逊在第一次世界大战期间采用了后者，罗斯福在大萧条和第二次世界大战期间也是如此。特朗普需要一场战争/萧条才能做他们所做的事情。
@melhudson8448
Capitalism isn't as much an agent issue as authoritarianism.
资本主义的问题不在于代理人，而在于威权主义。
@marianam8643
I think you will find that it has always been an oligarchy, of the rich, by the rich and for the rich. Had it not been, the rich would have made it collapse. Or the rich from other countries would have sanctioned it, invaded it, bombed it. Anything to make it fall.
我认为你会发现这一直是一个寡头统治，由富人主导，为富人服务。如果不是这样，富人早就让它崩溃了。或者来自其他国家的富人会对其制裁、入侵、轰炸。为了让它垮掉，做什么都行。
@JoeChroPA1982
Its an absolute embarrassment and it will make us all poorer and stuck with am overbearing and ever more wasteful and indebted government. All because of one egomaniacal economic illiterate.
这真是一个绝对的羞耻，它会让我们所有人变得更贫穷，陷入一个日益强势、浪费和负债累累的政府中。这一切都因为一个自我中心的经济文盲。
@plpk
I literally laughed so hard and I’m not being mean. It’s just the title really got me. It’s basically Socialism from these people that hate socialism.
我真的笑得很厉害，我并不是在刻薄。标题真的让我忍俊不禁。这基本上是这些讨厌社会主义的人搞的社会主义。
@carolhou-i2u
I want to say something maybe you have already known. some countries criticize China a lot. but deep down, they all are the same . they just have different covers defined in different ways. one example, they talk down Chinese guanxi, but they have social networking which can go even further
我想说一些你可能已经知道的事情。一些国家对中国的批评很多，但实际上，他们都是一样的，只是外表不同，定义方式各异。一个例子是，他们贬低中国的关系，但他们有社交网络，甚至可以更进一步。
@eskutts
America is best understood as Titanic, this foolish Trump regime is the Iceberg, the Wealthy are the First Class passengers, have enough resources and so they are already on the Lifeboats. The Middle Class is the Second Class passengers, struggling to survive, the poor are the Third Class passengers, large in numbers with no access to life boats. The MAGA people are like Titanic's electrical engineers, struggling to keep the ship/Trump regime afloat but ultimately none of them survives.
美国最好的理解就像泰坦尼克号，这个愚蠢的特朗普政权就是冰山，富人是头等舱乘客，拥有足够的资源，早已上了救生艇。中产阶级是二等舱乘客，挣扎求生；而贫穷的人则是三等舱乘客，人数众多却没有救生艇可上。支持特朗普的人就像泰坦尼克号的电气工程师，努力保持船/特朗普政权的运转，但最终他们没有一个人能幸存。
@SoillessMedia
This eliminates competition, which eliminates innovation, which is detrimental to national security. Innovation is what sets America apart from the world, but for this, freedom is necessary.
这消除了竞争，进而消除了创新，这对国家安全是有害的。创新是使美国与世界不同的关键，但为此，自由是必要的。
@pirazel7858
There are things where nationalisation makes sense, like critical infrastructure, so you can make sure it works and is available for everyone and doesn't fall under the control of foreign influence like roads, channels, airports, railways. But this buying spree is so random and without any strategy visible
在某些方面，国有化是有意义的，比如关键基础设施，这样可以确保它的正常运作并对所有人可用，而不会落入外国势力的控制之下，例如道路、运河、机场和铁路。但这种疯狂的收购没有任何明显的战略。
@SirHenryBoogle
It’s crossed my mind a few times that Trump’s economic approach seems more and more to be mirroring traditional adversaries.
我几次想过，特朗普的经济政策似乎越来越像传统的对手。
@doubleshot90
It's called Japanification ofbthe economy, that's where the US is headed... The biggest shareholder of the major Japanese companies is the Bank of Japan.
这被称为经济的“日本化”，美国正朝这个方向发展……日本主要公司的最大股东是日本银行。
@jamesbarry1673
There is no denying that capitalism as we knew it is over. But that was a long time coming you cannot have neoliberalism move for 40 years stripping the bottom 80% of any hope of getting ahead and then end up here with crony capitalism without major changes to the concept of capitalism
不可否认的是，我们所知道的资本主义已经结束。但这早已是个必然的结果，不能让新自由主义运行40年，剥夺底层80%人群任何向上流动的希望，然后在没有对资本主义概念进行重大改变的情况下，最终走到今天的裙带资本主义。
@adamrou12345
We have been doing it for a while. We extract the finest sweet crude oil on this planet and we refine more oil than any other country but instead of refining our own good high quality crude we export it and import garbage laden sour crude to refine. We have limited refinery infrastructure for our own easier, cleaner, cheaper to refine oil. We do this because our government allows energy companies to write off royalties paid to foreign governments while they tax the hell out of royalties paid to Americans. They can pay exorbitant bribes to skirt local laws and then write them off while making us dependent on foreign oil.
我们已经这样做了一段时间。我们提炼出这个星球上最优质的甜油，并且精炼的石油比任何其他国家都多，但我们却不是精炼自己的高质量原油，而是出口它，进口含有大量杂质的酸性原油进行精炼。我们对于自己更容易、更清洁、精炼成本更低的石油的炼油基础设施有限。我们这样做是因为我们的政府允许能源公司将支付给外国政府的特许权使用费抵扣，而对支付给美国人的特许权使用费征收高额税收。他们可以支付天价贿赂以规避当地法律，然后将其抵扣，同时让我们依赖外国石油。
