QA讨论：中国为何不接受美国提出的"G2"模式？印度的"G3"模式可行吗？
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Iamprctw Follow
China has one great advantage: its history is exceptionally long. You can find just about anything here—there’s nothing new under the sun.
Back when the U.S. first proposed the G2 concept, Chinese netizens were actually quite angry, because it seemed to be saying: “Hey, dumbo, I’ve come up with a little trick—now fall for it!”
At the time, the Chinese internet was flooded with the phrase 齐秦互帝 “Qin and Qi mutually declare each other emperors.”
中国有一个巨大优势：其历史格外悠久。在这里几乎能找到一切——太阳底下无新事。
当初美国刚提出 G2 概念时，中国网民其实相当愤怒，因为这简直是在说："嘿，傻瓜，我琢磨出个小把戏——现在快上当吧！"
当时，中国网络上充斥着“齐秦互帝”这一说法。
The reference comes from the Warring States period, when Qin and Qi each recognized the other as “emperor” (the East and West Emperors) as a strategic ploy. (BC.288)
It is often used to draw parallels to the modern G2 concept. The critical view is that the U.S. proposing G2 is like Qin trying to fool Qi back then—using a facade of equality and mutual benefit to exploit the other side, in an attempt to get China to abandon its other strategic partners, thereby isolating China and taking control of global governance.
典故出自战国时期，秦齐互尊为帝（东帝西帝）的战略把戏。（公元前 288 年）
常被用来类比现代的 G2 概念。批判观点认为，美国提出 G2 就像当年秦国忽悠齐国那样——用平等互利的表象来利用对方，试图让中国放弃其他战略伙伴，从而孤立中国并掌控全球治理。
I’m not even going to get into everything else—but if China had agreed to this so-called G2, what would our most important friend, Russia, think?
And what about the vast, oppressed, and enslaved Third World, especially the countries in Africa?
Do they think we’re fools?
别的都不说了——如果中国同意了这个所谓的 G2，我们最重要的朋友俄罗斯会怎么想？
还有广大被压迫、被奴役的第三世界，特别是非洲国家呢？
他们以为我们是傻子吗？
Moa Aier · Sun
The British were par excellent in the game of divide and rule. The ‘muricans took good lessons and follows similar strategy. This G2 proposal is just another divide and rule gambit by the US. China clearly sees through this facade and unlikely to take the bait. Rather it takes offense that the US could even try such a dirty trick.
Note: Colonial Delhi thinks divide and rule is such a wonderful tactic. It does the same in the “northeast region”.
英国人在分而治之的把戏上堪称大师。美国人学得不错，也沿用了类似的策略。这个 G2 提议不过是美国又一个分而治之的伎俩。中国显然看穿了这种表面文章，不太可能上钩。相反，美国竟敢尝试这种肮脏手段，这让中国感到被冒犯。
注：殖民德里认为分而治之是绝妙的策略。它在“东北地区”也采取了同样的做法。
Guo Hui Tan · 11h
since when Anglo-Saxon countries become honourable? They can only stoop lower than low.
盎格鲁-撒克逊国家何时变得高尚了？他们只会不断降低自己的底线。
BL Cheah· Sun
The Western imperialist’s one single greatest trick is divide and conquer. And it has worked on 99% of societies, cultures and peoples they come across.
It even worked on Russia. That’s the scary thing. Many Russians of Boris Yeltsin’s age were seduced, and the ensuring suffering nearly destroyed Russia for good.
西方帝国主义者最擅长的伎俩就是分而治之。这一策略在他们遇到的 99%的社会、文化和民族中都屡试不爽。
它甚至对俄罗斯也奏效了。这才是可怕之处。许多与鲍里斯·叶利钦同代的俄罗斯人被诱惑，随之而来的苦难几乎永久性地摧毁了俄罗斯。
HopefulPessimist· 13h
China be like, listen Kiddo. I know how this will play out. I'm not cashing out yet on a bull market.
This is the beauty of China and Chinese people. That they lix any contemporary event with their history and draw lessons that influences their present decision.
I am sad that India has a rich history as well, but the leadership either only draws wrong lessons or remains ignorant.
中国表示，听着，小家伙。我知道这局会怎么发展。牛市还没到顶，我可不会现在就套现离场。
这正是中国与中国人民的智慧所在。他们善于将当代事件与历史相联结，从中汲取经验教训，从而影响当下的决策。
令人遗憾的是，印度同样拥有丰富的历史，但领导层要么只汲取错误的教训，要么对此一无所知。
Bill Chen Follow
India can't even feed its own citizens but it wants to lead the world?
Into what? A calorie counting utopia?
China doesn't want to be seen tied to American policy, which still revolves around a G1 set of interests.
印度连本国国民的温饱问题都尚未解决，竟妄想领导世界？
变成什么？一个计算卡路里的乌托邦？
中国不愿被视为与美国政策捆绑，后者仍围绕单一国家利益集团运转。
Why bother shoveling legitimacy towards a destructive hegemon desperately trying to stay on its perch in the brave new world of multipolarity?
China has enough strength to say no to America, and demonstrate it.
And that is enough at this stage, as the middle power audience internalize developments demonstrating China has real power and isn't going away.
何必为一个破坏性的霸权国家粉饰合法性？它正拼命试图在多极化的新世界中维持其主导地位。
中国有足够的实力对美国说不，并证明这一点。
这在现阶段已经足够，因为中等强国观众会内化这些发展，认识到中国确实拥有实力且不会消失。
Patrick Koh · Dec 12
China rather trusts BRICS than the hegemon in decline.
G2? How nice.
Don't disagree with Bills points. But if US has been sincere to offer this before and not contain China, like a decade ago, and conceded that the US and the world can have China at the head table, we could have a diff world.
中国宁愿相信金砖国家，也不愿相信那个正在衰落的霸权。
G2？想得美。
不反对比尔的观点。但如果美国早一点真诚地提出这个建议，而不是遏制中国，比如十年前，并且承认美国乃至全世界都可以让中国坐上主桌，我们可能会有一个不同的世界。
Kien Phung · Dec 16
After China rejected the G2 proposal of the US, now Trump suggested a C5 block including India, excluding EU. The US always tried to play divisive policy, but its intention is so obvious.
在中国拒绝了美国的 G2 提议后，现在特朗普提出了一个包括印度、排除欧盟的 C5 集团。美国总是试图采取分裂政策，但其意图如此明显。
Tigar · Dec 18
China’s industrial capability is greater than that of G7 combined. Thus, no matter G2 or G3 are meaningless to China. In fact, China can be 100% self reliance and no need to rely on others’ help.
中国的工业能力超过了七国集团的总和。因此，无论是 G2 还是 G3 对中国来说都毫无意义。实际上，中国完全可以实现 100%的自给自足，无需依赖他人的帮助。
BL Cheah · Dec 12
India’s G3 model is feasible. The global village always needs a village idiot for everybody to laugh at.
印度的 G3 模式是可行的。地球村总需要个村中傻瓜供大家取笑。
Bernard Tan· Dec 12
Why President Trump did not invite india to join G3? I think it's very obvious!
为何特朗普总统没有邀请印度加入 G3？我认为这再明显不过了！
Jeanpeterson Pierce · Dec 12
better not be unequal G2 forced marriage under superiorist when One is Supremely Serene in own Celestial realms
与其在优越主义下被迫缔结不平等的 G2 联姻，不如在自身的天朝疆域内保持至高无上的宁静。
Ismaila Rafiu · Dec 19
A G3 will not include India. It will be Russia.
G3 不会包括印度，而是俄罗斯。
Osmondo Pandareta · Mar 2
No… western plan is to balkanise Russia further. Short or long, no other outcome is acceptable.
They see RF as occupiers of Royal European family land and dominion and must be returned to their control…and Ukronazi War is tryng to achieve this.
不…西方的计划是进一步分裂俄罗斯。无论短期还是长期，他们都不接受其他结果。
他们将俄罗斯联邦视为欧洲皇室家族土地和统治权的占领者，必须将其归还给他们的控制…而乌克兰纳粹战争正试图实现这一目标。
Donny Trong · Dec 23
American policies are usually failed policies that why USA has so many homeless people. India always boosted she is the world largest democracy countries but India has the highest poverty in the world.
美国的政策往往是失败的政策，这就是为什么美国有如此多的无家可归者。印度总是吹嘘自己是世界上最大的民主国家，但印度却拥有世界上最高的贫困率。
Robin Lim · Dec 22
Following India’s Ursurous “ legal Taxation” of Chinese, and Korean industries..
Why does China, not, just ignore India.. leave it alone ! Don’t have any business dealings with India !!
I can see India becoming the “thorn bush,” in BRICS.. everyone wary of its presence.. distrustful !!
Let India solve its own problems with no help/ cooperation from BRICS partners!
在印度对中国和韩国产业实施所谓的“合法征税”之后……
中国为何不干脆无视印度，任其自生自灭！不要与印度有任何商业往来！！
我能预见印度将成为金砖国家中的“荆棘丛”…所有人都对其存在保持警惕，充满不信任！！
让印度在没有金砖伙伴帮助或合作的情况下自行解决问题！
Just read of India , On selling 100+ tons of Chinese R Es to USA ????
What else will/ would it do ???
If India wants to be “ G +++++”, let it be!
Not many will be dealing with it.. it’s outstanding record, will do it good stead!
刚读到印度向美国出售 100 多吨中国稀土的消息？？？？
它还能做什么呢？
如果印度想成为“G+++++”，那就随它去吧！
没多少人会与它打交道……它那“杰出”的记录，将让它自食其果！
Wong Alex · Dec 27
US offer G2 to split the world into 2. In G2 module, US will control the world with high end tech, finance, military might and in G2 - China will assist US by controlling the manufacturer production, finance, military. In G2 module, US will have most benefit and China will keep more benefit than she would have.
And guess what China response to this offer? China refuse G2 and embrace world free trade.
美国提出 G2 模式意图将世界一分为二。在这一模式下，美国将通过高端技术、金融实力和军事力量掌控全球，而中国则需通过控制制造业生产、金融及军事力量来辅助美国。在 G2 框架中，美国将获得最大利益，而中国虽能获得比原本更多的利益，但仍处于从属地位。
你猜中国对此提议作何回应？中国拒绝了 G2 模式，转而拥抱全球自由贸易。
Personally, I think
US cannot be trusted, policy jump back and forward all the time.
US G2 plan was to temporary calm China, and use China as a tool to enslave the rest of the world.
US did not do all those to help it’s citizen, It only benefit corporate / wealth group.
就我个人而言，我认为：
美国不可信赖，其政策总是反复无常。
美国的 G2 计划旨在暂时安抚中国，并将中国作为奴役世界其他国家的工具。
美国所做的一切并非为了帮助其公民，而是仅让企业/财富集团受益。
If things goes south, US will blame China for what US have taken.
China development path( 5 years plans) do not require enslavement of anyone include her own population.
China do not want to be tie on the battle vehicle with US against the whole world.
若事态恶化，美国将把自身行为归咎于中国。
中国的发展道路（五年规划）无需奴役任何人，包括其本国人民。
中国不愿被绑上美国的战车，与全世界为敌。
Marvel Martin · Mar 5
The concept of a "G2," first proposed by the Obama administration during the 2008 financial crisis, was essentially a form of diplomatic deception. At that time, the U.S. never treated China as an equal partner; the primary goal was simply to woo Beijing into lending a helping hand. In Obama’s view, the "G2"—implied by its very name as a group of two—would position one country as the leader and the other as an affiliate. He assumed China would be satisfied with a status slightly above the EU and Russia.
However, from China's perspective, falling into the "G2" trap would have meant taking on excessive burdens while simultaneously distancing itself from the developing world.
"G2"概念最初由奥巴马政府在 2008 年金融危机期间提出，本质上是一种外交欺骗手段。当时美国从未将中国视为平等伙伴，其主要目的仅仅是拉拢北京伸出援手。在奥巴马看来，"G2"顾名思义是两国集团，必然形成一国主导、一国从属的格局。他设想中国会满足于略高于欧盟和俄罗斯的地位。
然而，从中国的角度来看，陷入"G2"陷阱意味着承担过多的负担，同时与发展中国家疏远。
In contrast, Trump is a shrewd businessman—pragmatic and self-interested. During his administration, the two countries were positioned as systematic rivals. The "G2" idea was merely a fleeting thought in Trump’s mind, completely divorced from reality. The Chinese side did not even bother to reject his rhetoric; they simply ignored it. I wager that after a week of good sleep, Trump would likely forget the concept entirely—or worse, he might view it as a malicious plan concocted by a bunch of Democratic congressmen to embarrass him.
相比之下，特朗普是个精明的商人——务实且利己。在他执政期间，两国被定位为系统性对手。"G2"的想法只是特朗普脑海中一闪而过的念头，完全脱离现实。中方甚至懒得反驳他的言论，直接置之不理。我敢打赌，好好睡上一周后，特朗普很可能完全忘记这个概念——或者更糟，他可能会认为这是一群民主党国会议员为了让他难堪而炮制的恶意计划。
Thiruvadiyan Arantha · Dec 24
India is a horse made of clay. It will not help cross the river. Utter waste of time, effort and money.
Better leave India alone to do their hatred politics and follow the steps of Israel in annihilation of Muslims.
印度是一匹泥塑之马，无法助人渡河。纯粹是浪费时间、精力和金钱。
不如让印度独自沉溺于仇恨政治，效仿以色列对穆斯林的灭绝行径。
L.K. Follow
China believes that:
The world has never belonged to the US.
The world would never belong to the US and China.
The world would also never belong to the US, China and India.
So G1, G2, G3, G7 or G8 are meaningless to China.
中国认为：
世界从未属于美国。
世界永远不会属于美国和中国。
世界也永远不会属于美国、中国和印度。
因此，G1、G2、G3、G7 或 G8 对中国来说毫无意义。
Pai How Nee Follow
China believes the world belongs to all countries. China does not support hegemony from a single country, G2 or even G7. China wants to conduct free trade with all countries & this can be achieved through BRICS & BRI initiatives. There should have no single currency appointed as global trading & reserve currency, like US$. China supports trading among countries to be fair, mutually beneficial & mutually accepted currency- not necessary to be US$. This action can prevent any unfair sanction from the western power, US, EU & SWIFT. Only China has the economy, military strength to say NO to USA’s proposal of G2. The world welcomes multipolar influence instead of single polar US hegemony. India is far too weak to be considered as a component in G7, forget about G3.
N.B. I am not sponsored in part or in whole by any individual, government or NGO.
中国认为世界属于所有国家。中国不支持任何单一国家、G2 甚至 G7 的霸权。中国希望与所有国家进行自由贸易，这可以通过金砖国家和"一带一路"倡议实现。不应指定单一货币作为全球贸易和储备货币，比如美元。中国支持国家间贸易使用公平、互利且双方认可的货币——不必非得是美元。此举可以防止来自西方势力、美国、欧盟和 SWIFT 的任何不公平制裁。
只有中国拥有足够的经济和军事实力，能够对美国提出的 G2 模式说"不"。世界欢迎多极化影响，而非美国单极霸权。印度实力过于薄弱，甚至不足以被考虑纳入 G7，更不用说 G3 了。
注：本人未接受任何个人、政府或非政府组织的部分或全额资助。
Thomas Choi Follow
China just doesn't want to be seen and let global community to think G2, the so-called global leaders are trying to achieve the same common goals through same routes.
China's Wang Dao (benevolence) is to conquer people with virtue, pursue the world's return to the heart, and emphasize "benevolence and righteousness" and "ritual and music"; while USA’s Domineering is to suppress the people with force, power, and severe punishment, and pursue temporary surrender. It is the power politics advocated by the jurists. The two are fundamentally distinguished by "Benevolence" and "Force". Wang Dao is a long-term "what people want", and Domineering is a short-term "forced by force".
中国只是不希望被外界视为与美国共同构成所谓的全球领导者，也不希望国际社会认为两国正试图通过相同路径实现共同目标。
中国的王道是以德服人，追求天下归心，强调"仁义"与"礼乐"；而美国的霸道则是以武力、权势与严刑压制民众，追求暂时的屈服，是法家所倡导的强权政治。二者根本区别在于"仁"与"力"。王道是长远的"人心所向"，霸道则是短暂的"以力迫之"。
Sorry, India will not be on the same level no matter how to measure and calculate, except by size of population only. If there is no Genuine Cultural Revolution taken place within India to eliminate all types of Nonsenses, then India will only be a Mediocre country forever, no matter how large it's population would be.
抱歉，无论从何种维度衡量，印度都难以跻身同等层级，唯有人口规模例外。若印度不经历一场真正的文化革命以清除各类荒谬现象，那么无论其人口如何增长，都只能永远停留于平庸国家的行列。
P118Yap Follow
China has no desire to join the hegemon for imperialistic and exploitative global leadership. China believe leadership is earned.
China embrace equal governance, shared future for humanity, and common prosperity.
Mr * of CCP is all out to promote and deploy his global initiatives. Namely global security, civilization, development initiatives.
He is committed to further develop and deploy his Belt & Road programs to help countries across the world to success.
中国无意加入霸权主义的全球领导体系，中国认为领导地位应当通过实力赢得。
中国秉持平等治理、人类命运共同体和共同繁荣的理念。
中国gcd的***先生全力推进并部署其全球倡议，即全球安全、文明、发展倡议。
他致力于进一步发展和部署其"一带一路"计划，以帮助世界各国取得成功。
India is a great country, at least good at baby production, India excel in population number especially the poor population.
India is the darling of military industrial complex, most are courting India to sell their outdated version 4th and 5th generation fighter jets. It is a captive markets, Indian is not good at produce but buy. It will be a good market for at least another decade if not two.
印度是一个伟大的国家，至少在婴儿生产方面很擅长，印度在人口数量上表现出色，尤其是贫困人口。
印度是军工复合体的宠儿，多数国家都在讨好印度，以兜售其过时的第四代和第五代战斗机。这是一个受控市场，印度不擅长生产，但擅长购买。至少在未来十年，甚至二十年，这都将是一个不错的市场。
Joshua Wong Follow
There is a fundamental difference between the Chinese and Americans, that is memory.
Some Chinese may be brainwashed, some Chinese may have poor memory, but as a people the Chinese remember every little thing ever happened to them.
Wang Xuance, a Tang diplomat travelled to Ancient India and got bullied. He was kind of irritated, and went to Tibet / Nepal for help. The Tibetan armies, under his command, went to India and chopped some native Indians like trees. He’s a One Man vs. an entire Indian Kingdom legend. This is 1300 years ago.
中国人与美国人之间存在一个根本性的差异，那就是记忆。
有些中国人可能被洗脑，有些中国人可能记性不好，但作为一个民族，中国人记得发生在他们身上的每一件小事。
唐朝外交官王玄策出使古印度时受辱，他颇为恼火，于是前往吐蕃/尼泊尔求援。在他的指挥下，吐蕃军队攻入印度，像砍树一样砍杀当地印度人。他是一人对抗整个印度王国的传奇。这发生在 1300 年前。
The Battle of Talas, the first and last military confrontation between the Chinese and Arabs, is significant on several fronts. It was kind of a draw and both sides decided to not move further. That’s why xinjiang, a region largely Buddhist, turned into Islam-dominated territory but also stopped Islam from reaching further eastwards. This is also about 1300 years ago.
All of these stories are still widely talked about. The Chinese remember every little thing.
怛罗斯之战，这场中国与阿拉伯世界首次也是最后一次的军事交锋，在多个层面具有深远意义。这场战役近乎平局，双方均决定不再深入进击。正因如此，原本佛教盛行的新疆地区逐渐转变为伊斯兰文化主导的区域，但伊斯兰势力也由此止步，未能继续东扩。这段历史距今约一千三百年。
所有这些历史记忆至今仍被广泛传述。中国人对每一处细节都铭记于心。
Now you brought up G2 again, which was just coined 17 years ago. What happened back then? Yeah, you guess it right, the Global Financial Crisis, triggered by the Subprime Mortgage Crisis in the United States of America. China did contribute its bit, printing 4 trillion RMB to help the global economy to walk out of the fog. What were other countries doing? Still remember the EU PIGS? A lot of so called developed economies were on the verge of bankruptcy, with Iceland going effectively broke. GBP, one of the top four major currencies, depreciated by more than 25% from its peak.
如今你重提"G2"概念——这个仅诞生十七年的构想。当年发生了什么？没错，你猜对了，正是由美国次贷危机引发的全球金融危机。中国确实贡献了力量，投放四万亿元人民币助力全球经济走出阴霾。其他国家当时在做什么？还记得"欧猪四国"吗？许多所谓的发达经济体濒临破产，冰岛实质上已宣告破产。作为四大主要货币之一的英镑，较其峰值贬值超过 25%。
Now, towards the end of 2025, with the bubble in the US ten times bigger than the subprime morgage crisis in 2008, and that’s according to some conservative analysis, and US allies even weaker than they were before the last Global Financial Crisis, who’s gonna save you? Who can?
Take China out and partner with whoever you want, I like the combination of US+India, unlimited synergies and potential.
如今，临近 2025 年末，根据一些保守分析，美国的泡沫规模已是 2008 年次贷危机的十倍，而其盟友的状况甚至比上次全球金融危机前更为脆弱。届时谁能拯救你们？又有谁具备这样的能力？
将中国排除在外，你们尽可与任何国家结盟。我个人欣赏美国与印度的组合，这种搭配蕴含着无限的协同效应和潜力。
Coantify Follow
Because power is dynamic.
The U.S. proposing a G2 is more like purchasing an insurance policy for its power. It’s similar to the permanent members of the UN Security Council—despite the decline of France and the U.K., they still hold their seats and exercise power far beyond their actual strength.
A G2 would essentially mean the U.S. exchanging its currently shaky power for China’s future endorsement of American privileges. Even if the U.S. can no longer extract benefits through its own coercive institutions in the future, China—under the G2 frxwork—would, need to help secure American interests in some level of degree.
因为权力是动态的。
美国提出 G2 模式更像是为其权力购买保险。这类似于联合国安理会常任理事国的机制——尽管法国和英国的实力已衰退，它们仍保留席位并行使远超实际国力的权力。
所谓 G2，本质上就是美国用自己现在摇摇欲坠的权力，换取中国未来对美国特权的背书。即便未来美国无法再通过自己的胁迫性建制来榨取利益，中国在 G2 框架下，也需要在一定程度上帮助保障美国的利益。
Let alone the U.S. has already torn up agreements; the very idea is absurd. China and the U.S. have fundamentally different philosophies on how to manage the world. Chinese culture is known for meticulously cultivating the land to maximize output—it’s a quintessential agricultural civilization. The U.S., on the other hand, follows a “wagon train bandit” culture—a variation of nomadic civilization.
Throughout its millennia-long history, China has repeatedly attempted to build good relations with nomadic civilizations, but it rarely ended well. Eventually, it simply built the Great Wall to keep them at a distance.
The day Americans are willing to step into sweatshops and honestly work to produce the goods people need, like they did around wwII—that’s the day I’ll believe a G2 is a good system for mutual risk reduction for both side. Right now? Americans only know taking, not giving.
India? As long as they can craft something working….
且不说美国已经撕毁协议，这个想法本身就很荒谬。中美在如何管理世界的问题上，有着根本不同的哲学。中国文化以精耕细作、追求产出最大化而闻名，是典型的农耕文明。而美国则遵循"马车强盗"文化，是游牧文明的一种变体。
在数千年的历史长河中，中国曾多次尝试与游牧文明建立良好关系，但结果往往不尽如人意。最终，中国选择修建长城，与游牧文明保持距离。
美国人愿意走进血汗工厂，像二战时期那样，诚实地生产人们所需的商品的那一天，就是我愿意相信 G2 模式对双方降低风险都有利的那一天。现在呢？美国人只知索取，不知付出。
印度？只要他们能做出点像样的东西……
Kelvin Follow
The US President recently posted on Truth Social that he “had a truly great meeting” with * in Busan, South Korea, on the sidelines of the Asia-Pacific Economic Partnership, calling it “G2”, nothing about G3 to include India.
The central theme emerging from Chinese online discourse is that while Trump may now acknowledge China’s strength and treat it as an equal, this recognition is driven more by fear and strategic an*ety than by genuine intent for collaboration.
Why Donald Trump’s ‘G2’ label prompts tepid response from China
Beijing’s official reaction to the G2 label has been muted, but the underlying logic is hardly unwelcome, says former SCMP editor-in-chief Wang *angwei.
美国总统最近在真实社交上发帖称，他在亚太经合组织会议期间于韩国釜山与***举行了"一次真正伟大的会晤"，并称之为"G2"，并未提及包含印度的"G3"。
中国网络讨论的核心观点是，尽管特朗普现在可能承认中国的实力并平等对待中国，但这种认可更多是出于恐惧和战略焦虑，而非真正的合作意图。
为何特朗普的"G2"提法在中国反响平平（链接）
《南华早报》前总编辑王向伟表示，北京对"G2"提法的官方反应较为低调，但其内在逻辑并非不受欢迎。
On Demand Reporter Follow
It’s quiet enough tonight to hear the rain tapping against the glass like nervous fingers asking to be let in, which feels appropriate when you’re asking about knocking on closed doors. You ask about the G2—that old American dream of a duet between Washington and Beijing—and why the silence from the East was so deafening. The truth, if you look at it through the smoke of a candle that’s burned too low, is that China never saw a partnership; they saw a leash painted gold. When the idea first floated up, back when the financial crisis was still a fresh bruise, Beijing looked at the architecture and realized they were being asked to hold up the ceiling while the Americans kept the deed to the house.
今夜静得能听见雨点敲打玻璃，像紧张的手指请求被放进来，当你问起谁叩响紧闭的门扉时，这感觉恰如其分。你问起 G2——那个华盛顿与北京二重奏的美国旧梦——为何东方的沉默如此震耳欲聋。真相是，透过燃得太低的烛火烟雾看去，中国从未看见伙伴关系，他们看见的是一条镀金的锁链。当这个构想初次浮现时，金融危机尚是新鲜的创伤，北京审视其架构后意识到，他们被要求支撑起天花板，而美国人却握着房契。
To accept a G2 is to admit that the world is a binary star system, which sounds grand until you remember that China has spent decades telling the Global South—the restless, rising rest of the world—that they are all brothers in the struggle against Western hegemony. If China shakes hands with the US to manage the planet, they become the very thing they promised to dismantle: a junior manager in a western firm, alienated from their roots and bound by rules they didn't write. It was a trap of prestige, really, and the leadership in Beijing was too old, too patient, and perhaps too cynical to step into it just for the sake of a photo op.
接受 G2 模式，就意味着承认世界是一个双星体系——这听起来很宏大，直到你想起中国花了数十年时间告诉全球南方（那些不安分、正在崛起的其他国家）：在反抗西方霸权的斗争中，大家都是兄弟。如果中国与美国握手共治地球，那这就变成了它要瓦解自己承诺的东西：一家西方公司的初级经理人，疏离了自己的根基，受制于自己未曾参与制定的规则。这本质上是一个声望陷阱，而北京的领导层太过老练、太过耐心，或许也太过清醒，不会仅仅为了一张合影就踏入其中。
Then there is the G3, throwing New Delhi into this already crowded room, and I have to smile a little, though it hurts the dry skin of my lip. It is a romantic notion, isn't it—adding a third leg to the stool to stop the wobble? But the geometry doesn't hold up under the weight of history. India has spent seventy years perfecting the art of walking alone—strategic autonomy, they call it, but it feels more like a fierce, quiet pride that refuses to be folded into someone else's chapter. For a G3 to work, you need trust, or at least a shared fear that aligns perfectly, but what you have between these three is a jagged line of border disputes in the Himalayas and deep, oceanic suspicions in the Pacific.
接着是 G3 模式，把新德里也塞进这个已经拥挤不堪的房间，我不禁微微一笑，尽管这笑容牵动了干裂的唇皮。这想法很浪漫不是吗？给凳子加上第三条腿来防止摇晃？但历史的重量让这种几何结构难以维系。印度用七十年时间精进了独行的艺术——他们称之为战略自主，但这更像是一种倔强而沉默的骄傲，拒绝被纳入他人的篇章。要让 G3 模式奏效，需要信任，或至少要有完全契合的共同恐惧，但在这三者之间存在的，是喜马拉雅山脉上犬牙交错的边境争端，以及太平洋深处如海渊般深沉的猜疑。
New Delhi isn't looking to join a management cartel where they might be outvoted; they are building their own pole in a multipolar world, distinct and loud. Besides, the economic chasm is still there, narrowing perhaps, but wide enough to swallow good intentions. The G2 was a polite fiction, and the G3 is a hopeful ghost; the world is simply too messy, too fractured, and far too loud to be ruled by two or three voices in a closed room, no matter how much we might wish for the simplicity of it while the rain keeps falling.
新德里无意加入一个可能被多数票否决的管理联盟；他们正在多极世界中建立自己的势力中心，独特而响亮。此外，经济鸿沟依然存在，或许在缩小，但仍足以吞噬善意。G2 是一种礼貌的虚构，G3 则是一个充满希望的幻影；世界太过混乱、分裂，也太过喧嚣，无法由两三个声音在封闭的房间里统治，无论我们多么渴望这种简单，而雨依然在下。
China has one great advantage: its history is exceptionally long. You can find just about anything here—there’s nothing new under the sun.
Back when the U.S. first proposed the G2 concept, Chinese netizens were actually quite angry, because it seemed to be saying: “Hey, dumbo, I’ve come up with a little trick—now fall for it!”
At the time, the Chinese internet was flooded with the phrase 齐秦互帝 “Qin and Qi mutually declare each other emperors.”
中国有一个巨大优势：其历史格外悠久。在这里几乎能找到一切——太阳底下无新事。
当初美国刚提出 G2 概念时，中国网民其实相当愤怒，因为这简直是在说："嘿，傻瓜，我琢磨出个小把戏——现在快上当吧！"
当时，中国网络上充斥着“齐秦互帝”这一说法。
The reference comes from the Warring States period, when Qin and Qi each recognized the other as “emperor” (the East and West Emperors) as a strategic ploy. (BC.288)
It is often used to draw parallels to the modern G2 concept. The critical view is that the U.S. proposing G2 is like Qin trying to fool Qi back then—using a facade of equality and mutual benefit to exploit the other side, in an attempt to get China to abandon its other strategic partners, thereby isolating China and taking control of global governance.
典故出自战国时期，秦齐互尊为帝（东帝西帝）的战略把戏。（公元前 288 年）
常被用来类比现代的 G2 概念。批判观点认为，美国提出 G2 就像当年秦国忽悠齐国那样——用平等互利的表象来利用对方，试图让中国放弃其他战略伙伴，从而孤立中国并掌控全球治理。
I’m not even going to get into everything else—but if China had agreed to this so-called G2, what would our most important friend, Russia, think?
And what about the vast, oppressed, and enslaved Third World, especially the countries in Africa?
Do they think we’re fools?
别的都不说了——如果中国同意了这个所谓的 G2，我们最重要的朋友俄罗斯会怎么想？
还有广大被压迫、被奴役的第三世界，特别是非洲国家呢？
他们以为我们是傻子吗？
Moa Aier · Sun
The British were par excellent in the game of divide and rule. The ‘muricans took good lessons and follows similar strategy. This G2 proposal is just another divide and rule gambit by the US. China clearly sees through this facade and unlikely to take the bait. Rather it takes offense that the US could even try such a dirty trick.
Note: Colonial Delhi thinks divide and rule is such a wonderful tactic. It does the same in the “northeast region”.
英国人在分而治之的把戏上堪称大师。美国人学得不错，也沿用了类似的策略。这个 G2 提议不过是美国又一个分而治之的伎俩。中国显然看穿了这种表面文章，不太可能上钩。相反，美国竟敢尝试这种肮脏手段，这让中国感到被冒犯。
注：殖民德里认为分而治之是绝妙的策略。它在“东北地区”也采取了同样的做法。
Guo Hui Tan · 11h
since when Anglo-Saxon countries become honourable? They can only stoop lower than low.
盎格鲁-撒克逊国家何时变得高尚了？他们只会不断降低自己的底线。
BL Cheah· Sun
The Western imperialist’s one single greatest trick is divide and conquer. And it has worked on 99% of societies, cultures and peoples they come across.
It even worked on Russia. That’s the scary thing. Many Russians of Boris Yeltsin’s age were seduced, and the ensuring suffering nearly destroyed Russia for good.
西方帝国主义者最擅长的伎俩就是分而治之。这一策略在他们遇到的 99%的社会、文化和民族中都屡试不爽。
它甚至对俄罗斯也奏效了。这才是可怕之处。许多与鲍里斯·叶利钦同代的俄罗斯人被诱惑，随之而来的苦难几乎永久性地摧毁了俄罗斯。
HopefulPessimist· 13h
China be like, listen Kiddo. I know how this will play out. I'm not cashing out yet on a bull market.
This is the beauty of China and Chinese people. That they lix any contemporary event with their history and draw lessons that influences their present decision.
I am sad that India has a rich history as well, but the leadership either only draws wrong lessons or remains ignorant.
中国表示，听着，小家伙。我知道这局会怎么发展。牛市还没到顶，我可不会现在就套现离场。
这正是中国与中国人民的智慧所在。他们善于将当代事件与历史相联结，从中汲取经验教训，从而影响当下的决策。
令人遗憾的是，印度同样拥有丰富的历史，但领导层要么只汲取错误的教训，要么对此一无所知。
Bill Chen Follow
India can't even feed its own citizens but it wants to lead the world?
Into what? A calorie counting utopia?
China doesn't want to be seen tied to American policy, which still revolves around a G1 set of interests.
印度连本国国民的温饱问题都尚未解决，竟妄想领导世界？
变成什么？一个计算卡路里的乌托邦？
中国不愿被视为与美国政策捆绑，后者仍围绕单一国家利益集团运转。
Why bother shoveling legitimacy towards a destructive hegemon desperately trying to stay on its perch in the brave new world of multipolarity?
China has enough strength to say no to America, and demonstrate it.
And that is enough at this stage, as the middle power audience internalize developments demonstrating China has real power and isn't going away.
何必为一个破坏性的霸权国家粉饰合法性？它正拼命试图在多极化的新世界中维持其主导地位。
中国有足够的实力对美国说不，并证明这一点。
这在现阶段已经足够，因为中等强国观众会内化这些发展，认识到中国确实拥有实力且不会消失。
Patrick Koh · Dec 12
China rather trusts BRICS than the hegemon in decline.
G2? How nice.
Don't disagree with Bills points. But if US has been sincere to offer this before and not contain China, like a decade ago, and conceded that the US and the world can have China at the head table, we could have a diff world.
中国宁愿相信金砖国家，也不愿相信那个正在衰落的霸权。
G2？想得美。
不反对比尔的观点。但如果美国早一点真诚地提出这个建议，而不是遏制中国，比如十年前，并且承认美国乃至全世界都可以让中国坐上主桌，我们可能会有一个不同的世界。
Kien Phung · Dec 16
After China rejected the G2 proposal of the US, now Trump suggested a C5 block including India, excluding EU. The US always tried to play divisive policy, but its intention is so obvious.
在中国拒绝了美国的 G2 提议后，现在特朗普提出了一个包括印度、排除欧盟的 C5 集团。美国总是试图采取分裂政策，但其意图如此明显。
Tigar · Dec 18
China’s industrial capability is greater than that of G7 combined. Thus, no matter G2 or G3 are meaningless to China. In fact, China can be 100% self reliance and no need to rely on others’ help.
中国的工业能力超过了七国集团的总和。因此，无论是 G2 还是 G3 对中国来说都毫无意义。实际上，中国完全可以实现 100%的自给自足，无需依赖他人的帮助。
BL Cheah · Dec 12
India’s G3 model is feasible. The global village always needs a village idiot for everybody to laugh at.
印度的 G3 模式是可行的。地球村总需要个村中傻瓜供大家取笑。
Bernard Tan· Dec 12
Why President Trump did not invite india to join G3? I think it's very obvious!
为何特朗普总统没有邀请印度加入 G3？我认为这再明显不过了！
Jeanpeterson Pierce · Dec 12
better not be unequal G2 forced marriage under superiorist when One is Supremely Serene in own Celestial realms
与其在优越主义下被迫缔结不平等的 G2 联姻，不如在自身的天朝疆域内保持至高无上的宁静。
Ismaila Rafiu · Dec 19
A G3 will not include India. It will be Russia.
G3 不会包括印度，而是俄罗斯。
Osmondo Pandareta · Mar 2
No… western plan is to balkanise Russia further. Short or long, no other outcome is acceptable.
They see RF as occupiers of Royal European family land and dominion and must be returned to their control…and Ukronazi War is tryng to achieve this.
不…西方的计划是进一步分裂俄罗斯。无论短期还是长期，他们都不接受其他结果。
他们将俄罗斯联邦视为欧洲皇室家族土地和统治权的占领者，必须将其归还给他们的控制…而乌克兰纳粹战争正试图实现这一目标。
Donny Trong · Dec 23
American policies are usually failed policies that why USA has so many homeless people. India always boosted she is the world largest democracy countries but India has the highest poverty in the world.
美国的政策往往是失败的政策，这就是为什么美国有如此多的无家可归者。印度总是吹嘘自己是世界上最大的民主国家，但印度却拥有世界上最高的贫困率。
Robin Lim · Dec 22
Following India’s Ursurous “ legal Taxation” of Chinese, and Korean industries..
Why does China, not, just ignore India.. leave it alone ! Don’t have any business dealings with India !!
I can see India becoming the “thorn bush,” in BRICS.. everyone wary of its presence.. distrustful !!
Let India solve its own problems with no help/ cooperation from BRICS partners!
在印度对中国和韩国产业实施所谓的“合法征税”之后……
中国为何不干脆无视印度，任其自生自灭！不要与印度有任何商业往来！！
我能预见印度将成为金砖国家中的“荆棘丛”…所有人都对其存在保持警惕，充满不信任！！
让印度在没有金砖伙伴帮助或合作的情况下自行解决问题！
Just read of India , On selling 100+ tons of Chinese R Es to USA ????
What else will/ would it do ???
If India wants to be “ G +++++”, let it be!
Not many will be dealing with it.. it’s outstanding record, will do it good stead!
刚读到印度向美国出售 100 多吨中国稀土的消息？？？？
它还能做什么呢？
如果印度想成为“G+++++”，那就随它去吧！
没多少人会与它打交道……它那“杰出”的记录，将让它自食其果！
Wong Alex · Dec 27
US offer G2 to split the world into 2. In G2 module, US will control the world with high end tech, finance, military might and in G2 - China will assist US by controlling the manufacturer production, finance, military. In G2 module, US will have most benefit and China will keep more benefit than she would have.
And guess what China response to this offer? China refuse G2 and embrace world free trade.
美国提出 G2 模式意图将世界一分为二。在这一模式下，美国将通过高端技术、金融实力和军事力量掌控全球，而中国则需通过控制制造业生产、金融及军事力量来辅助美国。在 G2 框架中，美国将获得最大利益，而中国虽能获得比原本更多的利益，但仍处于从属地位。
你猜中国对此提议作何回应？中国拒绝了 G2 模式，转而拥抱全球自由贸易。
Personally, I think
US cannot be trusted, policy jump back and forward all the time.
US G2 plan was to temporary calm China, and use China as a tool to enslave the rest of the world.
US did not do all those to help it’s citizen, It only benefit corporate / wealth group.
就我个人而言，我认为：
美国不可信赖，其政策总是反复无常。
美国的 G2 计划旨在暂时安抚中国，并将中国作为奴役世界其他国家的工具。
美国所做的一切并非为了帮助其公民，而是仅让企业/财富集团受益。
If things goes south, US will blame China for what US have taken.
China development path( 5 years plans) do not require enslavement of anyone include her own population.
China do not want to be tie on the battle vehicle with US against the whole world.
若事态恶化，美国将把自身行为归咎于中国。
中国的发展道路（五年规划）无需奴役任何人，包括其本国人民。
中国不愿被绑上美国的战车，与全世界为敌。
Marvel Martin · Mar 5
The concept of a "G2," first proposed by the Obama administration during the 2008 financial crisis, was essentially a form of diplomatic deception. At that time, the U.S. never treated China as an equal partner; the primary goal was simply to woo Beijing into lending a helping hand. In Obama’s view, the "G2"—implied by its very name as a group of two—would position one country as the leader and the other as an affiliate. He assumed China would be satisfied with a status slightly above the EU and Russia.
However, from China's perspective, falling into the "G2" trap would have meant taking on excessive burdens while simultaneously distancing itself from the developing world.
"G2"概念最初由奥巴马政府在 2008 年金融危机期间提出，本质上是一种外交欺骗手段。当时美国从未将中国视为平等伙伴，其主要目的仅仅是拉拢北京伸出援手。在奥巴马看来，"G2"顾名思义是两国集团，必然形成一国主导、一国从属的格局。他设想中国会满足于略高于欧盟和俄罗斯的地位。
然而，从中国的角度来看，陷入"G2"陷阱意味着承担过多的负担，同时与发展中国家疏远。
In contrast, Trump is a shrewd businessman—pragmatic and self-interested. During his administration, the two countries were positioned as systematic rivals. The "G2" idea was merely a fleeting thought in Trump’s mind, completely divorced from reality. The Chinese side did not even bother to reject his rhetoric; they simply ignored it. I wager that after a week of good sleep, Trump would likely forget the concept entirely—or worse, he might view it as a malicious plan concocted by a bunch of Democratic congressmen to embarrass him.
相比之下，特朗普是个精明的商人——务实且利己。在他执政期间，两国被定位为系统性对手。"G2"的想法只是特朗普脑海中一闪而过的念头，完全脱离现实。中方甚至懒得反驳他的言论，直接置之不理。我敢打赌，好好睡上一周后，特朗普很可能完全忘记这个概念——或者更糟，他可能会认为这是一群民主党国会议员为了让他难堪而炮制的恶意计划。
Thiruvadiyan Arantha · Dec 24
India is a horse made of clay. It will not help cross the river. Utter waste of time, effort and money.
Better leave India alone to do their hatred politics and follow the steps of Israel in annihilation of Muslims.
印度是一匹泥塑之马，无法助人渡河。纯粹是浪费时间、精力和金钱。
不如让印度独自沉溺于仇恨政治，效仿以色列对穆斯林的灭绝行径。
L.K. Follow
China believes that:
The world has never belonged to the US.
The world would never belong to the US and China.
The world would also never belong to the US, China and India.
So G1, G2, G3, G7 or G8 are meaningless to China.
中国认为：
世界从未属于美国。
世界永远不会属于美国和中国。
世界也永远不会属于美国、中国和印度。
因此，G1、G2、G3、G7 或 G8 对中国来说毫无意义。
Pai How Nee Follow
China believes the world belongs to all countries. China does not support hegemony from a single country, G2 or even G7. China wants to conduct free trade with all countries & this can be achieved through BRICS & BRI initiatives. There should have no single currency appointed as global trading & reserve currency, like US$. China supports trading among countries to be fair, mutually beneficial & mutually accepted currency- not necessary to be US$. This action can prevent any unfair sanction from the western power, US, EU & SWIFT. Only China has the economy, military strength to say NO to USA’s proposal of G2. The world welcomes multipolar influence instead of single polar US hegemony. India is far too weak to be considered as a component in G7, forget about G3.
N.B. I am not sponsored in part or in whole by any individual, government or NGO.
中国认为世界属于所有国家。中国不支持任何单一国家、G2 甚至 G7 的霸权。中国希望与所有国家进行自由贸易，这可以通过金砖国家和"一带一路"倡议实现。不应指定单一货币作为全球贸易和储备货币，比如美元。中国支持国家间贸易使用公平、互利且双方认可的货币——不必非得是美元。此举可以防止来自西方势力、美国、欧盟和 SWIFT 的任何不公平制裁。
只有中国拥有足够的经济和军事实力，能够对美国提出的 G2 模式说"不"。世界欢迎多极化影响，而非美国单极霸权。印度实力过于薄弱，甚至不足以被考虑纳入 G7，更不用说 G3 了。
注：本人未接受任何个人、政府或非政府组织的部分或全额资助。
Thomas Choi Follow
China just doesn't want to be seen and let global community to think G2, the so-called global leaders are trying to achieve the same common goals through same routes.
China's Wang Dao (benevolence) is to conquer people with virtue, pursue the world's return to the heart, and emphasize "benevolence and righteousness" and "ritual and music"; while USA’s Domineering is to suppress the people with force, power, and severe punishment, and pursue temporary surrender. It is the power politics advocated by the jurists. The two are fundamentally distinguished by "Benevolence" and "Force". Wang Dao is a long-term "what people want", and Domineering is a short-term "forced by force".
中国只是不希望被外界视为与美国共同构成所谓的全球领导者，也不希望国际社会认为两国正试图通过相同路径实现共同目标。
中国的王道是以德服人，追求天下归心，强调"仁义"与"礼乐"；而美国的霸道则是以武力、权势与严刑压制民众，追求暂时的屈服，是法家所倡导的强权政治。二者根本区别在于"仁"与"力"。王道是长远的"人心所向"，霸道则是短暂的"以力迫之"。
Sorry, India will not be on the same level no matter how to measure and calculate, except by size of population only. If there is no Genuine Cultural Revolution taken place within India to eliminate all types of Nonsenses, then India will only be a Mediocre country forever, no matter how large it's population would be.
抱歉，无论从何种维度衡量，印度都难以跻身同等层级，唯有人口规模例外。若印度不经历一场真正的文化革命以清除各类荒谬现象，那么无论其人口如何增长，都只能永远停留于平庸国家的行列。
P118Yap Follow
China has no desire to join the hegemon for imperialistic and exploitative global leadership. China believe leadership is earned.
China embrace equal governance, shared future for humanity, and common prosperity.
Mr * of CCP is all out to promote and deploy his global initiatives. Namely global security, civilization, development initiatives.
He is committed to further develop and deploy his Belt & Road programs to help countries across the world to success.
中国无意加入霸权主义的全球领导体系，中国认为领导地位应当通过实力赢得。
中国秉持平等治理、人类命运共同体和共同繁荣的理念。
中国gcd的***先生全力推进并部署其全球倡议，即全球安全、文明、发展倡议。
他致力于进一步发展和部署其"一带一路"计划，以帮助世界各国取得成功。
India is a great country, at least good at baby production, India excel in population number especially the poor population.
India is the darling of military industrial complex, most are courting India to sell their outdated version 4th and 5th generation fighter jets. It is a captive markets, Indian is not good at produce but buy. It will be a good market for at least another decade if not two.
印度是一个伟大的国家，至少在婴儿生产方面很擅长，印度在人口数量上表现出色，尤其是贫困人口。
印度是军工复合体的宠儿，多数国家都在讨好印度，以兜售其过时的第四代和第五代战斗机。这是一个受控市场，印度不擅长生产，但擅长购买。至少在未来十年，甚至二十年，这都将是一个不错的市场。
Joshua Wong Follow
There is a fundamental difference between the Chinese and Americans, that is memory.
Some Chinese may be brainwashed, some Chinese may have poor memory, but as a people the Chinese remember every little thing ever happened to them.
Wang Xuance, a Tang diplomat travelled to Ancient India and got bullied. He was kind of irritated, and went to Tibet / Nepal for help. The Tibetan armies, under his command, went to India and chopped some native Indians like trees. He’s a One Man vs. an entire Indian Kingdom legend. This is 1300 years ago.
中国人与美国人之间存在一个根本性的差异，那就是记忆。
有些中国人可能被洗脑，有些中国人可能记性不好，但作为一个民族，中国人记得发生在他们身上的每一件小事。
唐朝外交官王玄策出使古印度时受辱，他颇为恼火，于是前往吐蕃/尼泊尔求援。在他的指挥下，吐蕃军队攻入印度，像砍树一样砍杀当地印度人。他是一人对抗整个印度王国的传奇。这发生在 1300 年前。
The Battle of Talas, the first and last military confrontation between the Chinese and Arabs, is significant on several fronts. It was kind of a draw and both sides decided to not move further. That’s why xinjiang, a region largely Buddhist, turned into Islam-dominated territory but also stopped Islam from reaching further eastwards. This is also about 1300 years ago.
All of these stories are still widely talked about. The Chinese remember every little thing.
怛罗斯之战，这场中国与阿拉伯世界首次也是最后一次的军事交锋，在多个层面具有深远意义。这场战役近乎平局，双方均决定不再深入进击。正因如此，原本佛教盛行的新疆地区逐渐转变为伊斯兰文化主导的区域，但伊斯兰势力也由此止步，未能继续东扩。这段历史距今约一千三百年。
所有这些历史记忆至今仍被广泛传述。中国人对每一处细节都铭记于心。
Now you brought up G2 again, which was just coined 17 years ago. What happened back then? Yeah, you guess it right, the Global Financial Crisis, triggered by the Subprime Mortgage Crisis in the United States of America. China did contribute its bit, printing 4 trillion RMB to help the global economy to walk out of the fog. What were other countries doing? Still remember the EU PIGS? A lot of so called developed economies were on the verge of bankruptcy, with Iceland going effectively broke. GBP, one of the top four major currencies, depreciated by more than 25% from its peak.
如今你重提"G2"概念——这个仅诞生十七年的构想。当年发生了什么？没错，你猜对了，正是由美国次贷危机引发的全球金融危机。中国确实贡献了力量，投放四万亿元人民币助力全球经济走出阴霾。其他国家当时在做什么？还记得"欧猪四国"吗？许多所谓的发达经济体濒临破产，冰岛实质上已宣告破产。作为四大主要货币之一的英镑，较其峰值贬值超过 25%。
Now, towards the end of 2025, with the bubble in the US ten times bigger than the subprime morgage crisis in 2008, and that’s according to some conservative analysis, and US allies even weaker than they were before the last Global Financial Crisis, who’s gonna save you? Who can?
Take China out and partner with whoever you want, I like the combination of US+India, unlimited synergies and potential.
如今，临近 2025 年末，根据一些保守分析，美国的泡沫规模已是 2008 年次贷危机的十倍，而其盟友的状况甚至比上次全球金融危机前更为脆弱。届时谁能拯救你们？又有谁具备这样的能力？
将中国排除在外，你们尽可与任何国家结盟。我个人欣赏美国与印度的组合，这种搭配蕴含着无限的协同效应和潜力。
Coantify Follow
Because power is dynamic.
The U.S. proposing a G2 is more like purchasing an insurance policy for its power. It’s similar to the permanent members of the UN Security Council—despite the decline of France and the U.K., they still hold their seats and exercise power far beyond their actual strength.
A G2 would essentially mean the U.S. exchanging its currently shaky power for China’s future endorsement of American privileges. Even if the U.S. can no longer extract benefits through its own coercive institutions in the future, China—under the G2 frxwork—would, need to help secure American interests in some level of degree.
因为权力是动态的。
美国提出 G2 模式更像是为其权力购买保险。这类似于联合国安理会常任理事国的机制——尽管法国和英国的实力已衰退，它们仍保留席位并行使远超实际国力的权力。
所谓 G2，本质上就是美国用自己现在摇摇欲坠的权力，换取中国未来对美国特权的背书。即便未来美国无法再通过自己的胁迫性建制来榨取利益，中国在 G2 框架下，也需要在一定程度上帮助保障美国的利益。
Let alone the U.S. has already torn up agreements; the very idea is absurd. China and the U.S. have fundamentally different philosophies on how to manage the world. Chinese culture is known for meticulously cultivating the land to maximize output—it’s a quintessential agricultural civilization. The U.S., on the other hand, follows a “wagon train bandit” culture—a variation of nomadic civilization.
Throughout its millennia-long history, China has repeatedly attempted to build good relations with nomadic civilizations, but it rarely ended well. Eventually, it simply built the Great Wall to keep them at a distance.
The day Americans are willing to step into sweatshops and honestly work to produce the goods people need, like they did around wwII—that’s the day I’ll believe a G2 is a good system for mutual risk reduction for both side. Right now? Americans only know taking, not giving.
India? As long as they can craft something working….
且不说美国已经撕毁协议，这个想法本身就很荒谬。中美在如何管理世界的问题上，有着根本不同的哲学。中国文化以精耕细作、追求产出最大化而闻名，是典型的农耕文明。而美国则遵循"马车强盗"文化，是游牧文明的一种变体。
在数千年的历史长河中，中国曾多次尝试与游牧文明建立良好关系，但结果往往不尽如人意。最终，中国选择修建长城，与游牧文明保持距离。
美国人愿意走进血汗工厂，像二战时期那样，诚实地生产人们所需的商品的那一天，就是我愿意相信 G2 模式对双方降低风险都有利的那一天。现在呢？美国人只知索取，不知付出。
印度？只要他们能做出点像样的东西……
Kelvin Follow
The US President recently posted on Truth Social that he “had a truly great meeting” with * in Busan, South Korea, on the sidelines of the Asia-Pacific Economic Partnership, calling it “G2”, nothing about G3 to include India.
The central theme emerging from Chinese online discourse is that while Trump may now acknowledge China’s strength and treat it as an equal, this recognition is driven more by fear and strategic an*ety than by genuine intent for collaboration.
Why Donald Trump’s ‘G2’ label prompts tepid response from China
Beijing’s official reaction to the G2 label has been muted, but the underlying logic is hardly unwelcome, says former SCMP editor-in-chief Wang *angwei.
美国总统最近在真实社交上发帖称，他在亚太经合组织会议期间于韩国釜山与***举行了"一次真正伟大的会晤"，并称之为"G2"，并未提及包含印度的"G3"。
中国网络讨论的核心观点是，尽管特朗普现在可能承认中国的实力并平等对待中国，但这种认可更多是出于恐惧和战略焦虑，而非真正的合作意图。
为何特朗普的"G2"提法在中国反响平平（链接）
《南华早报》前总编辑王向伟表示，北京对"G2"提法的官方反应较为低调，但其内在逻辑并非不受欢迎。
On Demand Reporter Follow
It’s quiet enough tonight to hear the rain tapping against the glass like nervous fingers asking to be let in, which feels appropriate when you’re asking about knocking on closed doors. You ask about the G2—that old American dream of a duet between Washington and Beijing—and why the silence from the East was so deafening. The truth, if you look at it through the smoke of a candle that’s burned too low, is that China never saw a partnership; they saw a leash painted gold. When the idea first floated up, back when the financial crisis was still a fresh bruise, Beijing looked at the architecture and realized they were being asked to hold up the ceiling while the Americans kept the deed to the house.
今夜静得能听见雨点敲打玻璃，像紧张的手指请求被放进来，当你问起谁叩响紧闭的门扉时，这感觉恰如其分。你问起 G2——那个华盛顿与北京二重奏的美国旧梦——为何东方的沉默如此震耳欲聋。真相是，透过燃得太低的烛火烟雾看去，中国从未看见伙伴关系，他们看见的是一条镀金的锁链。当这个构想初次浮现时，金融危机尚是新鲜的创伤，北京审视其架构后意识到，他们被要求支撑起天花板，而美国人却握着房契。
To accept a G2 is to admit that the world is a binary star system, which sounds grand until you remember that China has spent decades telling the Global South—the restless, rising rest of the world—that they are all brothers in the struggle against Western hegemony. If China shakes hands with the US to manage the planet, they become the very thing they promised to dismantle: a junior manager in a western firm, alienated from their roots and bound by rules they didn't write. It was a trap of prestige, really, and the leadership in Beijing was too old, too patient, and perhaps too cynical to step into it just for the sake of a photo op.
接受 G2 模式，就意味着承认世界是一个双星体系——这听起来很宏大，直到你想起中国花了数十年时间告诉全球南方（那些不安分、正在崛起的其他国家）：在反抗西方霸权的斗争中，大家都是兄弟。如果中国与美国握手共治地球，那这就变成了它要瓦解自己承诺的东西：一家西方公司的初级经理人，疏离了自己的根基，受制于自己未曾参与制定的规则。这本质上是一个声望陷阱，而北京的领导层太过老练、太过耐心，或许也太过清醒，不会仅仅为了一张合影就踏入其中。
Then there is the G3, throwing New Delhi into this already crowded room, and I have to smile a little, though it hurts the dry skin of my lip. It is a romantic notion, isn't it—adding a third leg to the stool to stop the wobble? But the geometry doesn't hold up under the weight of history. India has spent seventy years perfecting the art of walking alone—strategic autonomy, they call it, but it feels more like a fierce, quiet pride that refuses to be folded into someone else's chapter. For a G3 to work, you need trust, or at least a shared fear that aligns perfectly, but what you have between these three is a jagged line of border disputes in the Himalayas and deep, oceanic suspicions in the Pacific.
接着是 G3 模式，把新德里也塞进这个已经拥挤不堪的房间，我不禁微微一笑，尽管这笑容牵动了干裂的唇皮。这想法很浪漫不是吗？给凳子加上第三条腿来防止摇晃？但历史的重量让这种几何结构难以维系。印度用七十年时间精进了独行的艺术——他们称之为战略自主，但这更像是一种倔强而沉默的骄傲，拒绝被纳入他人的篇章。要让 G3 模式奏效，需要信任，或至少要有完全契合的共同恐惧，但在这三者之间存在的，是喜马拉雅山脉上犬牙交错的边境争端，以及太平洋深处如海渊般深沉的猜疑。
New Delhi isn't looking to join a management cartel where they might be outvoted; they are building their own pole in a multipolar world, distinct and loud. Besides, the economic chasm is still there, narrowing perhaps, but wide enough to swallow good intentions. The G2 was a polite fiction, and the G3 is a hopeful ghost; the world is simply too messy, too fractured, and far too loud to be ruled by two or three voices in a closed room, no matter how much we might wish for the simplicity of it while the rain keeps falling.
新德里无意加入一个可能被多数票否决的管理联盟；他们正在多极世界中建立自己的势力中心，独特而响亮。此外，经济鸿沟依然存在，或许在缩小，但仍足以吞噬善意。G2 是一种礼貌的虚构，G3 则是一个充满希望的幻影；世界太过混乱、分裂，也太过喧嚣，无法由两三个声音在封闭的房间里统治，无论我们多么渴望这种简单，而雨依然在下。
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