《中国汽车已做好登陆美国主流市场的准备》—— 吉利SUV在最新测试中完胜所有美国竞品
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The Geely Galaxy M9 is a plug-in hybrid (PHEV) crossover SUV that is about the same size as the Kia EV9 or Telluride.
Edmunds was able to get a full 101 miles of EV range from the Galaxy M9's 41 kWh battery before the gas generator kicked on.
In China, this vehicle starts at about $25,000.
As Chinese cars get into the hands of more U.S. experts and commentators, people are learning that I was right all along: these things are seriously good vehicles.
吉利银河M9是一款插电式混合动力（PHEV）跨界SUV，其尺寸与起亚EV9或Telluride大致相当。Edmunds（知名汽车评测媒体）实测发现，在燃油增程器启动之前，银河M9搭载的41度电池能提供高达101英里（约162公里）的纯电续航里程。在中国市场，这款车的起售价约为2.5万美元。
随着越来越多美国专家与评论人士接触到中国汽车，人们终于发现：我一直以来的判断都是对的 —— 这些车真的非常出色。
Geely left behind an imported Galaxy M9 in the U.S. in the aftermath this year’s CES, and recently let Edmunds put it through its paces, just like the outlet would do for any vehicle sold officially in the United States.
It shocked them. Geely’s biggest PHEV crossover bested some of our best big hybrid crossovers, while achieving a full 101 miles of driving on full electric power alone. In all, Edmunds staffers and road testers agreed that Chinese cars were ready for prime time, and that if the Galaxy M9 came to the U.S., it would hold its own against established mainstream and premium big crossovers.
在今年国际消费电子展（CES）结束后，吉利将一台银河M9留在了美国，并近期允许权威汽车媒体Edmunds对其进行全面测试，评测标准与所有在美国正式销售的车型完全一致。
结果令评测团队大为震惊。这款吉利旗舰插电混动跨界SUV，完胜了美国市场上多款顶级大型混动SUV，并且纯电续航实测达到101英里。Edmunds全体测试人员一致认为：中国汽车已经完全具备主流市场竞争力；如果银河M9进入美国市场，完全能与现有主流及豪华品牌大型SUV正面抗衡。
For those not in the know, the Geely Galaxy M9 is a medium to large crossover about the same size as the Kia Telluride, Toyota Grand Highlander, and the Kia EV9. It’s available in six or seven seats, and sits at the very top of Geely’s Chinese lineup. Power comes from a 1.5-liter turbocharged four-cylinder, which works in concert with a three-speed dedicated hybrid transmission (DHT) and three different electric motors.
These electric motors are fed by a fairly large 41 kWh battery. In all, it’s good for a staggering 858 horsepower. This is very similar to the powertrain I’ve experienced in the Lynk & Co 900, although the Geely Galaxy M9 has a smaller battery and smaller gas engine than the Lynk & Co 900. I liked the Lynk & Co 900’s powertrain and road manners; it was quick and whisper-quiet.
可能很多人不了解：吉利银河M9是一款中大型SUV，尺寸与起亚Telluride、丰田汉兰达、起亚EV9相当。提供6座或7座布局，是吉利在中国产品线中的旗舰车型。
动力方面搭载1.5T四缸发动机，配合三挡混动专用变速箱（DHT）与三台电机；电机由一块容量达41kWh的电池供电，系统综合最大功率高达惊人的858马力。这套动力总成与我试驾过的领克900非常相似，只是银河M9的电池与燃油发动机排量略小。我很喜欢领克 900 的动力表现与行驶质感：加速迅猛、行驶静谧如耳语。
Edmunds found that the Galaxy M9 had similar manners, too. The M9 sprinted to 60 mph in a very quick 4.2 seconds, beating out all of its contemporaries like the Hyundai Palisade, Kia EV9, and even the Lexus TX. It’s right on pace with the BMW X5 PHEV, which is a much more expensive car. It did all of this while being measurably quieter inside than the ultra-luxury, $400,000 Rolls-Royce Spectre. That's pretty impressive for a vehicle with an as-tested price that equates to roughly $35,000. Similarly, Edmunds loved its lightning-fast infotainment, comparing it to Tesla and Rivian in terms of responsiveness.
Edmunds 也发现银河M9拥有同样出色的表现：0-60英里/小时加速仅需4.2秒，碾压现代Palisade、起亚EV9，甚至雷克萨斯TX；性能与售价高得多的宝马X5 PHEV持平。更夸张的是，它的车内静谧性实测优于售价40万美元的超豪华车型劳斯莱斯闪灵。对于一台测试款价格约3.5万美元的车型而言，表现堪称惊艳。
此外，Edmunds对其车机系统的极速响应赞不绝口，称流畅度可与特斯拉、Rivian相媲美。
"In track and on-road testing, this three-row SUV exceeded almost all of our expectations," Edmunds' Clint Simone wrote. "Chinese cars are ready for prime time in America."
It's worth noting that the price would likely be a lot higher if it were to ever come to the U.S. Vehicle prices typically cannot be directly converted between currencies and markets, as a variety of factors influence final pricing. But for a vehicle at any price in its class, the Galaxy M9 is very impressive.
Edmunds评测编辑克林特・西蒙尼写道：“在赛道与道路测试中，这台三排SUV几乎超出了我们所有预期。中国汽车已经做好进入美国主流市场的准备。”
值得注意的是：如果银河 M9 正式进入美国，售价大概率会大幅提高。汇率、政策、成本等多重因素会影响最终定价，不能直接换算。但无论在同级别哪个价位区间，银河 M9 的实力都极为出众。
Now, for me, it feels like Edmunds is sort of preaching to the choir here. I’ve been writing about how good Chinese cars are for the last part of my career. I’ve put them through their paces, driven them around racetracks, and talked to plenty of laypeople and industry insiders who have experienced them. But now we have actual empirical evidence as to how good these cars are, straight from a source that measures and tests their vehicles. A 0-60 time of 4.2 seconds does best nearly all of anything of this size in the U.S, while its 101-mile tested EV range has yet to be matched by any sort of PHEV on our market.
Geely itself has been relatively open when it comes to entering the U.S. market. The M9 may not be its first choice of vehicle, but it has expressed the desire to possibly bring more of its cars here, and not under brands like Polestar or Volvo, two brands that it also owns. However, they are facing an uphill battle; there is still a 100% tariff on Chinese-made vehicles.
对我个人而言，Edmunds 的结论其实印证了我长期以来的观点。在职业生涯后期，我一直在撰文强调中国汽车的优秀；我亲自深度测试、赛道驾驶，也和大量普通消费者与业内人士交流过。
而现在，我们有了来自专业评测机构的实打实的实证数据：4.2秒破百，碾压美国市场几乎所有同尺寸车型；101英里纯电续航，目前美国市场没有任何一款PHEV能够匹敌。吉利对于进入美国市场态度相对开放。M9未必是首发车型，但吉利已明确表示：希望将更多车型引入美国，且不只是通过旗下的极星或沃尔沃。
Also, some politicians aren’t keen on Chinese brands coming here in any fashion. Recently, Senator Bernie Moreno called Chinese cars a “cancer” and wants to introduce stronger legislation to block them from coming here at all, even through partnerships with non-Chinese brands. The U.S. already bans Chinese connected car software, making the process of creating an export version far more expensive.
Regardless, it’s clear that Chinese cars are very much ready for the world. And if they ever show up on our shores, then established brands are going to be in for a pretty big fight.
但它们面临着巨大阻力：美国当前对中国制造汽车征收100%关税；部分政客强烈抵制中国品牌进入，参议员伯尼・莫雷诺甚至将中国汽车称为“毒瘤”，主张推动更严厉法案彻底封杀，即便通过非中国品牌合作也不允许。
美国早已禁止中国车载联网软件，这让出口版本的研发成本大幅上升。即便如此，一个事实已毋庸置疑：中国汽车已经完全具备世界级竞争力。一旦它们正式登陆美国市场，现有传统豪强必将迎来一场激烈硬仗
[video]//player.bilibili.com/player.html?aid=116343969942269&bvid=BV1ymDAByEyq&cid=37224318058[/video]
The Geely Galaxy M9 is a plug-in hybrid (PHEV) crossover SUV that is about the same size as the Kia EV9 or Telluride.
Edmunds was able to get a full 101 miles of EV range from the Galaxy M9's 41 kWh battery before the gas generator kicked on.
In China, this vehicle starts at about $25,000.
As Chinese cars get into the hands of more U.S. experts and commentators, people are learning that I was right all along: these things are seriously good vehicles.
吉利银河M9是一款插电式混合动力（PHEV）跨界SUV，其尺寸与起亚EV9或Telluride大致相当。Edmunds（知名汽车评测媒体）实测发现，在燃油增程器启动之前，银河M9搭载的41度电池能提供高达101英里（约162公里）的纯电续航里程。在中国市场，这款车的起售价约为2.5万美元。
随着越来越多美国专家与评论人士接触到中国汽车，人们终于发现：我一直以来的判断都是对的 —— 这些车真的非常出色。
Geely left behind an imported Galaxy M9 in the U.S. in the aftermath this year’s CES, and recently let Edmunds put it through its paces, just like the outlet would do for any vehicle sold officially in the United States.
It shocked them. Geely’s biggest PHEV crossover bested some of our best big hybrid crossovers, while achieving a full 101 miles of driving on full electric power alone. In all, Edmunds staffers and road testers agreed that Chinese cars were ready for prime time, and that if the Galaxy M9 came to the U.S., it would hold its own against established mainstream and premium big crossovers.
在今年国际消费电子展（CES）结束后，吉利将一台银河M9留在了美国，并近期允许权威汽车媒体Edmunds对其进行全面测试，评测标准与所有在美国正式销售的车型完全一致。
结果令评测团队大为震惊。这款吉利旗舰插电混动跨界SUV，完胜了美国市场上多款顶级大型混动SUV，并且纯电续航实测达到101英里。Edmunds全体测试人员一致认为：中国汽车已经完全具备主流市场竞争力；如果银河M9进入美国市场，完全能与现有主流及豪华品牌大型SUV正面抗衡。
For those not in the know, the Geely Galaxy M9 is a medium to large crossover about the same size as the Kia Telluride, Toyota Grand Highlander, and the Kia EV9. It’s available in six or seven seats, and sits at the very top of Geely’s Chinese lineup. Power comes from a 1.5-liter turbocharged four-cylinder, which works in concert with a three-speed dedicated hybrid transmission (DHT) and three different electric motors.
These electric motors are fed by a fairly large 41 kWh battery. In all, it’s good for a staggering 858 horsepower. This is very similar to the powertrain I’ve experienced in the Lynk & Co 900, although the Geely Galaxy M9 has a smaller battery and smaller gas engine than the Lynk & Co 900. I liked the Lynk & Co 900’s powertrain and road manners; it was quick and whisper-quiet.
可能很多人不了解：吉利银河M9是一款中大型SUV，尺寸与起亚Telluride、丰田汉兰达、起亚EV9相当。提供6座或7座布局，是吉利在中国产品线中的旗舰车型。
动力方面搭载1.5T四缸发动机，配合三挡混动专用变速箱（DHT）与三台电机；电机由一块容量达41kWh的电池供电，系统综合最大功率高达惊人的858马力。这套动力总成与我试驾过的领克900非常相似，只是银河M9的电池与燃油发动机排量略小。我很喜欢领克 900 的动力表现与行驶质感：加速迅猛、行驶静谧如耳语。
Edmunds found that the Galaxy M9 had similar manners, too. The M9 sprinted to 60 mph in a very quick 4.2 seconds, beating out all of its contemporaries like the Hyundai Palisade, Kia EV9, and even the Lexus TX. It’s right on pace with the BMW X5 PHEV, which is a much more expensive car. It did all of this while being measurably quieter inside than the ultra-luxury, $400,000 Rolls-Royce Spectre. That's pretty impressive for a vehicle with an as-tested price that equates to roughly $35,000. Similarly, Edmunds loved its lightning-fast infotainment, comparing it to Tesla and Rivian in terms of responsiveness.
Edmunds 也发现银河M9拥有同样出色的表现：0-60英里/小时加速仅需4.2秒，碾压现代Palisade、起亚EV9，甚至雷克萨斯TX；性能与售价高得多的宝马X5 PHEV持平。更夸张的是，它的车内静谧性实测优于售价40万美元的超豪华车型劳斯莱斯闪灵。对于一台测试款价格约3.5万美元的车型而言，表现堪称惊艳。
此外，Edmunds对其车机系统的极速响应赞不绝口，称流畅度可与特斯拉、Rivian相媲美。
"In track and on-road testing, this three-row SUV exceeded almost all of our expectations," Edmunds' Clint Simone wrote. "Chinese cars are ready for prime time in America."
It's worth noting that the price would likely be a lot higher if it were to ever come to the U.S. Vehicle prices typically cannot be directly converted between currencies and markets, as a variety of factors influence final pricing. But for a vehicle at any price in its class, the Galaxy M9 is very impressive.
Edmunds评测编辑克林特・西蒙尼写道：“在赛道与道路测试中，这台三排SUV几乎超出了我们所有预期。中国汽车已经做好进入美国主流市场的准备。”
值得注意的是：如果银河 M9 正式进入美国，售价大概率会大幅提高。汇率、政策、成本等多重因素会影响最终定价，不能直接换算。但无论在同级别哪个价位区间，银河 M9 的实力都极为出众。
Now, for me, it feels like Edmunds is sort of preaching to the choir here. I’ve been writing about how good Chinese cars are for the last part of my career. I’ve put them through their paces, driven them around racetracks, and talked to plenty of laypeople and industry insiders who have experienced them. But now we have actual empirical evidence as to how good these cars are, straight from a source that measures and tests their vehicles. A 0-60 time of 4.2 seconds does best nearly all of anything of this size in the U.S, while its 101-mile tested EV range has yet to be matched by any sort of PHEV on our market.
Geely itself has been relatively open when it comes to entering the U.S. market. The M9 may not be its first choice of vehicle, but it has expressed the desire to possibly bring more of its cars here, and not under brands like Polestar or Volvo, two brands that it also owns. However, they are facing an uphill battle; there is still a 100% tariff on Chinese-made vehicles.
对我个人而言，Edmunds 的结论其实印证了我长期以来的观点。在职业生涯后期，我一直在撰文强调中国汽车的优秀；我亲自深度测试、赛道驾驶，也和大量普通消费者与业内人士交流过。
而现在，我们有了来自专业评测机构的实打实的实证数据：4.2秒破百，碾压美国市场几乎所有同尺寸车型；101英里纯电续航，目前美国市场没有任何一款PHEV能够匹敌。吉利对于进入美国市场态度相对开放。M9未必是首发车型，但吉利已明确表示：希望将更多车型引入美国，且不只是通过旗下的极星或沃尔沃。
Also, some politicians aren’t keen on Chinese brands coming here in any fashion. Recently, Senator Bernie Moreno called Chinese cars a “cancer” and wants to introduce stronger legislation to block them from coming here at all, even through partnerships with non-Chinese brands. The U.S. already bans Chinese connected car software, making the process of creating an export version far more expensive.
Regardless, it’s clear that Chinese cars are very much ready for the world. And if they ever show up on our shores, then established brands are going to be in for a pretty big fight.
但它们面临着巨大阻力：美国当前对中国制造汽车征收100%关税；部分政客强烈抵制中国品牌进入，参议员伯尼・莫雷诺甚至将中国汽车称为“毒瘤”，主张推动更严厉法案彻底封杀，即便通过非中国品牌合作也不允许。
美国早已禁止中国车载联网软件，这让出口版本的研发成本大幅上升。即便如此，一个事实已毋庸置疑：中国汽车已经完全具备世界级竞争力。一旦它们正式登陆美国市场，现有传统豪强必将迎来一场激烈硬仗
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ccs77
Not surprising, the geely group has been quietly producing great cars under all their sub brands including zeekr and most importantly tapping on their strengths of their acquired companies like Volvo and their manufacturing and battery know how from their China counterparts.
The greatest byd competitor coming out of China IMO
毫不意外，吉利控股集团一直在闷声造好车，不仅通过极氪等子品牌发力，更重要的是充分利用了收购沃尔沃等公司带来的技术优势，以及中国本土合作伙伴在制造和电池方面的专业知识。
在我看来，这是比亚迪最强劲的中国本土竞争对手。
savuporo
The greatest byd competitor coming out of China IMO
They beat BYD sales January/Feb in China. BYD surged back though - actual competition
在我看来，这是比亚迪最强劲的中国本土竞争对手。
今年 1、2 月份，它们（吉利系）在中国市场的销量一度超过了比亚迪。不过比亚迪很快又强势反弹回来 ——这才是真正的竞争。
Probot6767
Love my polestar!
超爱我的极星！
tech57
原发帖人
The Geely Galaxy M9 PHEV impressed Edmunds, covering 101 miles on electric power alone and accelerating to 60 mph in 4.2 seconds.
101 miles of EV range from the Galaxy M9's 41 kWh battery before the gas generator kicked on.
In China, this vehicle starts at about $25,000 USD.
吉利银河M9插电混动版给美国汽车媒体Edmunds留下深刻印象，纯电续航达101英里，0-60英里/小时加速仅4.2秒。
银河M9搭载41度电池，在燃油增程器启动前可实现101英里纯电行驶。
在中国，这款车的起售价约为2.5万美元。
zackks
>In China, this vehicle starts at about $25,000 USD.
In america it wouldnt be sold for less than 65000
在中国，这款车的起售价约为 2.5 万美元。
但如果在美国卖，价格绝对不会低于6.5万美元。
AdelMonCatcher
You’re way off. The Zeeker 7x sells for $32k USD in China, and $40k USD equivalent in Australia, and that’s factoring a higher price for a relatively tiny market
你这话说得也太离谱了。极氪7X在中国的售价是3.2万美元，在澳大利亚的售价折算下来也就4万美元 —— 要知道，这还是因为澳大利亚市场规模相对较小，定价本来就偏高呢。
PersnickityPenguin
2024 Equinox AWD, 2017 Bolt
Including 100% tariffs and a total ban on importation?
The US likely won't even allow these cars to be driven across the border from Canada or Mexico if registered legally there.
2024款探界者四驱版、2017款雪佛兰Bolt
这还得算上100%的关税，甚至干脆直接禁止进口？
就算这些车在加拿大或墨西哥合法上牌，美国搞不好连让它们从这两个国家跨境开过来都不行。
Chinaman309
The US definitely lets in Chinese EV if is were registered in Mexico or Canada. My family n I were in San Diego couple months ago, and we saw a couple of BYDs with Mexican license plates driving around.
美国肯定会让在墨西哥或加拿大注册的中国电动车入境。几个月前我和家人在圣地亚哥，就亲眼看到好几辆挂着墨西哥牌照的比亚迪在那边跑。
tech57
原发帖人
And at one point it was legal to sell and buy Chinese EVs in USA. Then it wasn't.
曾经有一段时间，在美国销售和购买中国电动汽车是合法的。后来就不合法了。
maineac
It's because it costs far less to manufacture an EV, they just have a huge margin on them to appear like they cost more to manufacture. Think about the tooling that needs to go into an ICE motor compared to the tooling that goes into an electric motor. There is no comparison. Chinese electric cars in the US would drive down their margin significantly.
原因很简单，电动车的制造成本低得多，他们只是通过维持高额利润，让外界误以为制造成本很高罢了。你想想，制造一台燃油发动机所需的模具和工装，跟制造一台电机所需的相比，简直没法比。如果中国电动车进入美国，将会大幅压缩他们的利润空间。
Lanky-Detail3380
Its registered to Mexico, thats not the same as imported and staying in the US. Even if the owner is someone who lives on the Mexico side and is from the us to avoid taxes
车辆是在墨西哥注册的，这和正式进口并长期留在美国不是一回事。即便车主是住在美国这边、但为了避税而把车挂在墨西哥名下，情况也完全不同。
AdelMonCatcher
That’s only going to make US manufacturers fall further behind. You’ll become an island of stagnation. The smart move was to copy China’s playbook and welcome them in with equity and tech sharing agreements. But the lobbyists would never allow that
这只会让美国车企越来越落后。你们会变成一个停滞不前的孤岛。明智的做法，是照搬中国的策略，通过股权与技术共享协议开放市场、欢迎它们进入。但游说集团绝对不会允许这种事发生。
mitshoo
The ironic thing is that China copied our playbook for it and then we in the US abandoned it. China has been successful by investing in lots of different companies and seeing which ones make it, with BYD for example being a top winner. We did the same thing here, with a program that gave us both Solyndra (a rather famous failure) as well as Tesla. But I guess it worked too well, so we had to discontinue the approach.
讽刺的是：中国照搬了我们当年的这套模式，而我们美国自己却抛弃了它。中国的成功之道，在于投资大量不同企业，让它们自然竞争、优胜劣汰，比亚迪就是其中最大的赢家。我们当年也做过完全一样的事：通过一项扶持计划，既诞生了Solyndra（著名的失败案例），也成就了特斯拉。可我觉得，正因为这套模式太过成功，我们反而不得不放弃了它。
busstamove14
We've been an island of stagnation for decades. Transportation, technology, healthcare, etc.
我们几十年来一直是一个停滞不前的孤岛。交通、科技、医疗保健等领域皆是如此。
Earthwarm_Revolt
How Russia like. Anyone want a Lada?
俄罗斯那边怎么样？有人想要拉达车吗？（译者注：Lada拉达，俄罗斯经典国民汽车品牌，苏/俄系小车代名词）
YoSoyPinkBoy
How about a Yugo?
要不整辆尤格（译者注：Yugo尤格是南斯拉夫生产的廉价小型车，西方公认的史上最差汽车之一，常被用来调侃质量极差、落后、廉价）
Am4oba
The smart move would have been for the US government and US car manufacturers to recognize what China was doing years ago and get ahead of them. They have dug their own graves.
美国政府和美国车企当年要是足够明智，就该早几年认清中国的做法，并抢占先机。但现在，他们纯粹是在自掘坟墓。
Samlazaz
Chinese companies have copied Tesla in many aspects of EV manufacturing and design.
中国企业在电动汽车的制造和设计诸多方面，确实借鉴了特斯拉。
Am4oba
Yep, and American car makers didn't.
没错，而美国的车企却没这么做。
tech57
原发帖人
Oh they tried. They just did it very, very badly and way too late. After they spent years laughing at Tesla and China instead of taking better notes. People tend to forget that none what was going on was a secret. Legacy auto just didn't care until the gravy train in China started slowing down.
噢，他们倒是尝试过。只是做得太差劲，而且动作实在太慢了。毕竟前几年光顾着嘲笑特斯拉和中国了，压根没好好做功课。人们往往容易忘记，这些事从来都不是什么秘密。传统车企以前根本不在乎，直到在中国开启暴利时代，他们开始走下坡路，才慌了神。
gc3
Copying no physical controls... A cost savings measure from Tesla as if that's what people want rather than making an inexpensive EV which is what people need is an example of focusing on the wrong details.
照搬特斯拉取消所有物理按键…… 特斯拉这么做纯粹是为了省成本，但这根本不是用户想要的。大家真正需要的是一辆价格亲民的电动车，而不是这种设计。这简直就是典型的抓错了重点。
Individual-Nebula927
And that's why their quality scores are all much higher than Tesla, and many now have cheaper EVs than Teslas. Turns out they know more about manufacturing than Tesla.
这就是为什么它们的品质评分全都远高于特斯拉，而且如今许多品牌的电动车售价比特斯拉还便宜。事实证明，它们在制造方面比特斯拉更懂行。
mountain_mongo
Copied, and then surpassed. Has there ever been a car manufacturer more guilty of sitting on their own laurels than Tesla?
先模仿，再超越。试问还有哪家车企能像特斯拉这样，如此心安理得地躺在功劳簿上吃老本？
Bennie-Factors
We already are an island of stagnation. Look at what is going on!!!
我们早已成为一座停滞不前的孤岛。看看现在都发生了什么吧！
AbjectFee5982
Except Polestar IS GEELY
If they get any push back I guess they can call it the Ei Polestar (electric innovation line). slap a need front or backend and badge
Make a higher or lower end Volvo similar as well
Then say what you gonna do as long as it has Android Auto or car play XD Gets around the huawei ban that way
别忘了，极星本身就是吉利的。
如果受到什么阻力，我想他们大可以把这车叫做“Ei Polestar”（电动创新系列）。随便换个前脸或车尾，再贴个标就行了。
同样也可以打造更高端或更低端的沃尔沃版本。
然后看你怎么应对，只要车里装了Android Auto或者Carplay就行，哈哈， 这样就能绕过华为禁令了。
rustbeltloser
This right here.
问题就在这儿。
mirthfun
At 100% tariff it's probably still competitive.
即便征收100%关税，它依然可能具备竞争力。
beer_bukkake
Eve with the 100% tariffs it’s a good deal. Bring them to the US!
就算顶着100%的关税，这依然是笔划算的买卖。赶紧把它们运到美国来
Mac-Tyson
Is there a single E-REV 3 Row SUV on sale in the US Market currently? If there isn’t, how is it crushing the competition if there isn’t any to compare it to. Also no way it would sell for $25K in the US market more like the $50k or $70k Edmund’s mentioned in their recent overview video. Still competitive though at a $70k price point though.
目前美国市场上有在售的三排座增程式SUV 吗？如果一款都没有，那它连可对比的竞品都不存在，又怎么能说是碾压对手呢？另外，它绝不可能在美国卖到2.5万美元，更可能是Edmund近期评测视频里提到的5万或7万美元。不过即便定价7万美元，依然具备竞争力。
C_Werner
There's the Pacific Hybrid. Not really an SUV and only about 30 miles range. Also pretty dang expensive.
确实有Pacifica Hybrid（克莱斯勒大捷龙混动版）。但它算不上真正的SUV，纯电续航也只有30英里左右。而且价格还死贵死贵的。
BringbacktheFocusRS
The Pacifica hybrid also only has a 16 kWh battery in it. Makes sense that it would get about 1/3 the electric range.
大捷龙混动版里面只塞了一块16度的电池。难怪它的纯电续航大概只有人家的三分之一。
MrClickstoomuch
I mean, the PHEV Pacifica actually drove pretty nicely for how big of a car it was. And yeah, 30 miles isn't great on that size of battery, but when it launched in 2016 for $42k you have to keep in mind the Chevrolet Volt had a $33k MSRP with about 20 more EV miles. So, you would have paid $9k more to have a 3 row Minivan over a very small sedan. The Pacifica PHEV got a combined 32 mpg on the gas engine to the Volt's 42 combined mpg, which is VERY solid at the time.
It didn't help that the Pacifica got hit by a number of post launch issues. But it was actually a surprisingly capable car from Stellantis / FCA.
说实话，考虑到克莱斯勒大捷龙混动版这么大一台车，开起来其实相当不错。确实，那块电池只跑30英里不算优秀，但要知道它2016 年上市时售价4.2万美元，而当时雪佛兰Volt厂商建议零售价3.3万美元，纯电续航还多20英里左右。
所以，你要多花9000美元，才能从一台小型轿车升级成三排座MPV。大捷龙混动版的燃油发动机综合油耗32英里/加仑，而Volt是42英里/加仑，但在当时这个表现已经非常扎实了。
虽然大捷龙上市后遇到了一堆问题，确实挺减分的。但实话实说，它其实是 Stellantis（前FCA）造出的一款相当能打的车型。
C_Werner
Oh you don't need to convince me. I'm still driving mine. Great vehicle.
哦，你完全不用说服我。我自己现在还在开呢。这车真的很棒。
Mission-Strength-307
We have a 3 row PHEV Sorento. Really nice car, we bought ours used, I think new MSRP is around $50k.
我们有一辆三排座的索兰托插混版。这车真不错，我们买的是二手的，但我记得新车的指导价大概在5万美元左右。
cy83rs30rd
It comes with a fridge, I don't believe anything currently sold in North America has a built in fridge, unless it's some luxury high end I'm not aware of.
这款车自带冰箱。我相信目前北美市场在售的车型里，没有任何一款配备内置冰箱—— 除非是某些我没关注到的超豪华高端车型。
Mac-Tyson
Economy cars really shouldn’t have luxury features like that unless they are luxury trims. Like a lot of the times I see these type of things from EVs or even simple things like rotating screens I can’t help but think how expensive that would be to replace or fix here in the US. Especially since Chinese brands have made it clear they intend to use a traditional dealership model in the US.
经济型车真的不该配备这类豪华配置，除非是豪华高配版本。很多时候我看到电动车上出现这类设计，甚至只是旋转屏幕这类简单东西，都忍不住会想：在美国这边，更换或维修这些东西得有多贵。尤其是中国品牌已经明确表示，他们打算在美国采用传统经销商模式。
ForwardStorage777
F the dealership model. Direct sales pls.
去特么的经销商模式。直接搞直营销售啊
KennyBSAT
How much does it sell for in other countries?
这车在其他国家卖多少钱？
tech57
原发帖人
It doesn't. China only last I looked.
（其他国家）没在卖。据我上次了解，目前只在中国有售。
Levorotatory
If it can do 1/3 of that distance at -30°C with adequate interior heat without starting the gas engine, and can manage battery charge so I always have full power available when towing in mountainous terrain, I want one.
如果它能在零下30摄氏度的低温下，不启动燃油发动机，仅靠电力就跑出那段距离的三分之一，同时还能保持车内温暖；并且能智能管理电池电量，确保我在山区拖挂时始终有充足动力可用——那我必须来一辆。
psykedeliq
How in the world is it possible to sell this at 25k?
这玩意儿到底是怎么做到只卖2万5的？
HighHokie
it isn’t. this will never be sold in sthe states for 25k.
不可能的。这车绝不会在美国卖2万5。
tech57
原发帖人
At a 50% tariff rate Geely was going to sell the Chinese made EX30 in USA. Then USA found out and overnight bumped it to 100%. Couple of months later USA then made Chinese consumer class cars illegal in USA.
Regardless of the price people are buying them. People in every single country on the planet except for USA. Who cares about prices in USA for illegal contraband?
Chinese Automakers Surpass Japan’s Global Vehicle Sales For The First Time
https://www.businesstoday.com.my/2026/03/24/Chinese-automakers-surpass-japans-global-vehicle-sales-for-the-first-time/
The report said that total global sales by Japanese automakers fell slightly to around 25 million units in 2025, causing Japan to lose its long-held top position for the first time since 2000. Meanwhile, Chinese car manufacturers recorded nearly 27 million units in global sales last year, rising to the top spot worldwide.
哪怕关税高达50%，吉利本来也是打算在美国销售中国制造的EX30的。结果美国政府得知后，一夜之间就把关税加到了100%。几个月后，美国干脆直接立法，禁止中国产的乘用车在美国销售。
不管价格如何，消费者照样会买。地球上除了美国，每个国家的人都在买。谁还在乎那些在美国属于“非法违禁品”的车卖多少钱呢？中国汽车制造商的全球销量首次超越日本。
报告显示，2025年日本车企的全球总销量微降至2500万辆左右，导致日本自2000年以来首次失去了长期占据的榜首位置。与此同时，中国汽车制造商去年的全球销量达到了近2700万辆，跃升至全球第一。
knownikko
Massive government investment in strategic industries + very low cost of labor and materials, fewer regulations, etc etc etc…
政府在战略性产业上的巨额投资 + 极低的人工和材料成本，再加上宽松的监管环境等原因
coffeesippingbastard
They could sell it at 38k and it would still be a steal
这车就算卖到3万8，也依然超级划算
lerxi
It's not...while M9 starts at $25K, the one they tested is a fully loaded highest trim about $35K. 0-100KM is over 7s on all other trims.
事实并非如此…… 虽然M9起售价2.5万美元，但他们测试的那台是满配顶配版，约3.5万美元。
所有其他配置版本的0–100公里加速都在7秒以上。
psykedeliq
Yeah I saw that. Nonetheless 35k for 0-60 in 4.2, massage seats and air suspension is just nutty
是啊，我看到了。不过话说回来，3万5就能买到零百加速4.2秒、带按摩座椅和空气悬挂的车，这性价比简直离谱。
Energy_Solutions_P
This is what free market competition does - its drives innovation and extreme cost declines. Yes many of these Chinese EV start ups will fail - but the ones that innovate the best get strong and prosper.
These China based EV's will enter the USA markets. These EV's will be in Canada, Mexico, across the euro zone - and folks here will demand that we have access to these superior autos that cost way less than our bloated ICE pricing.
Have you seen what Ford charges for new F-150 trucks - pathetic...
这就是自由市场竞争的作用 —— 它推动创新，并让成本大幅下降。诚然，这些中国新能源车企中许多会倒闭，但最具创新力的企业会变得强大并蓬勃发展。
这些中国电动汽车终将进入美国市场，也会进入加拿大、墨西哥以及整个欧元区。而这里的消费者会要求获得这些性能更优、价格远低于我们虚高的燃油车的车型。
你见过福特新款F-150皮卡的定价吗？简直离谱……
allahakbau
US just sucks at cars these days
如今美国的汽车产业简直烂透了。
india2wallst
Ford still hasnt figured out ice transmissions despite being around for a hundred years
福特都成立一百年了，居然还没把燃油变速箱给整明白。
iamkeerock
Ironic, Ford uses Chinese parts suppliers.
讽刺的是，福特自己还在用中国的零部件供应商。
rustbeltloser
The US automakers gave up on this country years ago. They knew the money was in China.
美国车企早在几年前就放弃这个国家了。他们心里清楚，钱都在中国。
KingOfTheAnts3
No US OEMs have string footings in China
没有哪家美国车企在中国有稳固的立足点。
rustbeltloser
Buick outsells Honda in China and sells their Chinese made models in the US.
别克在中国的销量超过本田，并且别克将中国制造的车型销往美国。
PhDinDildos_Fedoras
The Buick brand has a long history of prestige in China.
别克品牌在中国拥有悠久的历史和极高的声望。
ghostogresnowrabbit
Buicks are actually really nice for the price.
I think its just the stigma preventing them from being popular in NA.
考虑到价格，别克其实性价比很高、产品很不错。
我认为只是品牌形象问题，导致它在北美不受欢迎。
ERagingTyrant
Tesla does alright.
特斯拉混得还不错。
northbayy
I like my Rivian plenty
我特别喜欢我的Rivian
RenderedMeat
You can remove the “at cars” and it’s the same, sadly.
你可以把“汽车”那两个字去掉，意思其实都一样，说起来也挺悲哀的。
BringbacktheFocusRS
Lol, reddit never fails to disappoint.
哈哈，红迪网从来都不会让人失望
jrb66226
America bad, China good.
American redditors
美国烂，中国好。—— 美国Reddit网友
F-21
It is crazy how far some parts of China came in the last 5-10 years, especially tier 1 cities.
过去五到十年间，中国部分地区的发展速度尤为惊人，尤其是一线城市。
Bubbagump210
They’ve sucked at cars for the past 50+ years.
他们在过去50多年里，他们造车这块儿一直都很拉胯。
cultoftheclave
Maybe it's already been mentioned but it's worth pointing out that Geely is already in North America, disguised as Volvo and Polestar.
aaand downvoted in seconds for a straightforward fact. Someone's got an axe to grind? Both of those companies have been subsidiaries of Geely for upwards of five years already. The polestar 2 got bounced clear out of the US market thanks to tariffs on Chinese-built cars.
或许已经有人提过，但还是值得指出：吉利其实早就进军北美市场了，只不过披的是沃尔沃和极星的马甲。
结果这么一个直白事实，几秒钟就被点踩了。有人存心找茬是吧？这两家公司成为吉利子公司都已经五年多了。
由于中国产汽车的关税，极星2直接被挤出了美国市场。
22firefly
If American auto makers do not find a way to save themselves with innovation, which was the hallmark of American vehicles I'm afraid they will have doomed themselves. I guess this shows what happens when you do not to R&D and do not educate your own population.
如果美国汽车制造商无法通过创新实现自救—— 而创新曾是美国汽车的核心标志—— 那我担心它们就是在自掘坟墓。
在我看来，这恰恰说明了：不投入研发、不培养本国人才，最终会是什么下场。
KhushBrownies
I mean US cars in general ain't shit anymore for the last 3 decades. There'll be a time U.S. autos could be the same fate as british automakers. DEAD.
有一说一，过去这三十年，美国车整体上早就烂透了。搞不好哪天美国汽车业会落得和英国汽车业一样的下场——彻底凉凉。
DuoDriver
I've owned a BYD Seal Dual Motor EV for two months, to replace a Hyundai Kona 64kw EV. In the past I've owned a Jeep Cherokee, several BMW variants, 2 x Mercedes SLK, Porsche Boxster and a ruck of other makes & models. No other car has impressed me so much as the BYD. The build quality is excellent, comfort is second to none, equipment and 'gizmo' level - nice, performance and and sheer 'driveability' (not sure how else to describe it) is superb. I lost the love of driving in the early 90s, due to a long M1, M25, M4, A4 commute, but now I find myself looking for excuses to "take her out for a spin".
Everyone I've taken for a whirl has been impressed, and without exception, had their minds changed regarding electric cars.
Other manufacturers need to up their game to take BYD on - IMHO.
我买比亚迪海豹双电机版才两个月，它是用来接替我那台现代科纳64度电动车的。往远了说，我开过的车可不少：Jeep切诺基、好几款宝马、两辆奔驰SLK、保时捷Boxster，还有一堆其他杂七杂八的牌子。但说实话，没有哪辆车能像比亚迪这样让我惊艳。
它的做工质感没得挑，舒适度更是无与伦比，配置和那些“黑科技”小玩意儿也很对胃口。至于性能和那种纯粹的驾驶质感（我实在想不出更贴切的词）堪称一流。
早在90年代初，因为常年要在M1、M25、M4和A4这些路上通勤，我早就对开车这事儿提不起劲了。但现在我总会找各种借口开它出去兜风。
我载过的每个人坐完车都赞不绝口，而且无一例外，都彻底改变了对电动车的偏见。
依我看，其他厂商要是想跟比亚迪过招，还得再努把力才行。”
ccs77
Not surprising, the geely group has been quietly producing great cars under all their sub brands including zeekr and most importantly tapping on their strengths of their acquired companies like Volvo and their manufacturing and battery know how from their China counterparts.
The greatest byd competitor coming out of China IMO
毫不意外，吉利控股集团一直在闷声造好车，不仅通过极氪等子品牌发力，更重要的是充分利用了收购沃尔沃等公司带来的技术优势，以及中国本土合作伙伴在制造和电池方面的专业知识。
在我看来，这是比亚迪最强劲的中国本土竞争对手。
savuporo
The greatest byd competitor coming out of China IMO
They beat BYD sales January/Feb in China. BYD surged back though - actual competition
在我看来，这是比亚迪最强劲的中国本土竞争对手。
今年 1、2 月份，它们（吉利系）在中国市场的销量一度超过了比亚迪。不过比亚迪很快又强势反弹回来 ——这才是真正的竞争。
Probot6767
Love my polestar!
超爱我的极星！
tech57
原发帖人
The Geely Galaxy M9 PHEV impressed Edmunds, covering 101 miles on electric power alone and accelerating to 60 mph in 4.2 seconds.
101 miles of EV range from the Galaxy M9's 41 kWh battery before the gas generator kicked on.
In China, this vehicle starts at about $25,000 USD.
吉利银河M9插电混动版给美国汽车媒体Edmunds留下深刻印象，纯电续航达101英里，0-60英里/小时加速仅4.2秒。
银河M9搭载41度电池，在燃油增程器启动前可实现101英里纯电行驶。
在中国，这款车的起售价约为2.5万美元。
zackks
>In China, this vehicle starts at about $25,000 USD.
In america it wouldnt be sold for less than 65000
在中国，这款车的起售价约为 2.5 万美元。
但如果在美国卖，价格绝对不会低于6.5万美元。
AdelMonCatcher
You’re way off. The Zeeker 7x sells for $32k USD in China, and $40k USD equivalent in Australia, and that’s factoring a higher price for a relatively tiny market
你这话说得也太离谱了。极氪7X在中国的售价是3.2万美元，在澳大利亚的售价折算下来也就4万美元 —— 要知道，这还是因为澳大利亚市场规模相对较小，定价本来就偏高呢。
PersnickityPenguin
2024 Equinox AWD, 2017 Bolt
Including 100% tariffs and a total ban on importation?
The US likely won't even allow these cars to be driven across the border from Canada or Mexico if registered legally there.
2024款探界者四驱版、2017款雪佛兰Bolt
这还得算上100%的关税，甚至干脆直接禁止进口？
就算这些车在加拿大或墨西哥合法上牌，美国搞不好连让它们从这两个国家跨境开过来都不行。
Chinaman309
The US definitely lets in Chinese EV if is were registered in Mexico or Canada. My family n I were in San Diego couple months ago, and we saw a couple of BYDs with Mexican license plates driving around.
美国肯定会让在墨西哥或加拿大注册的中国电动车入境。几个月前我和家人在圣地亚哥，就亲眼看到好几辆挂着墨西哥牌照的比亚迪在那边跑。
tech57
原发帖人
And at one point it was legal to sell and buy Chinese EVs in USA. Then it wasn't.
曾经有一段时间，在美国销售和购买中国电动汽车是合法的。后来就不合法了。
maineac
It's because it costs far less to manufacture an EV, they just have a huge margin on them to appear like they cost more to manufacture. Think about the tooling that needs to go into an ICE motor compared to the tooling that goes into an electric motor. There is no comparison. Chinese electric cars in the US would drive down their margin significantly.
原因很简单，电动车的制造成本低得多，他们只是通过维持高额利润，让外界误以为制造成本很高罢了。你想想，制造一台燃油发动机所需的模具和工装，跟制造一台电机所需的相比，简直没法比。如果中国电动车进入美国，将会大幅压缩他们的利润空间。
Lanky-Detail3380
Its registered to Mexico, thats not the same as imported and staying in the US. Even if the owner is someone who lives on the Mexico side and is from the us to avoid taxes
车辆是在墨西哥注册的，这和正式进口并长期留在美国不是一回事。即便车主是住在美国这边、但为了避税而把车挂在墨西哥名下，情况也完全不同。
AdelMonCatcher
That’s only going to make US manufacturers fall further behind. You’ll become an island of stagnation. The smart move was to copy China’s playbook and welcome them in with equity and tech sharing agreements. But the lobbyists would never allow that
这只会让美国车企越来越落后。你们会变成一个停滞不前的孤岛。明智的做法，是照搬中国的策略，通过股权与技术共享协议开放市场、欢迎它们进入。但游说集团绝对不会允许这种事发生。
mitshoo
The ironic thing is that China copied our playbook for it and then we in the US abandoned it. China has been successful by investing in lots of different companies and seeing which ones make it, with BYD for example being a top winner. We did the same thing here, with a program that gave us both Solyndra (a rather famous failure) as well as Tesla. But I guess it worked too well, so we had to discontinue the approach.
讽刺的是：中国照搬了我们当年的这套模式，而我们美国自己却抛弃了它。中国的成功之道，在于投资大量不同企业，让它们自然竞争、优胜劣汰，比亚迪就是其中最大的赢家。我们当年也做过完全一样的事：通过一项扶持计划，既诞生了Solyndra（著名的失败案例），也成就了特斯拉。可我觉得，正因为这套模式太过成功，我们反而不得不放弃了它。
busstamove14
We've been an island of stagnation for decades. Transportation, technology, healthcare, etc.
我们几十年来一直是一个停滞不前的孤岛。交通、科技、医疗保健等领域皆是如此。
Earthwarm_Revolt
How Russia like. Anyone want a Lada?
俄罗斯那边怎么样？有人想要拉达车吗？（译者注：Lada拉达，俄罗斯经典国民汽车品牌，苏/俄系小车代名词）
YoSoyPinkBoy
How about a Yugo?
要不整辆尤格（译者注：Yugo尤格是南斯拉夫生产的廉价小型车，西方公认的史上最差汽车之一，常被用来调侃质量极差、落后、廉价）
Am4oba
The smart move would have been for the US government and US car manufacturers to recognize what China was doing years ago and get ahead of them. They have dug their own graves.
美国政府和美国车企当年要是足够明智，就该早几年认清中国的做法，并抢占先机。但现在，他们纯粹是在自掘坟墓。
Samlazaz
Chinese companies have copied Tesla in many aspects of EV manufacturing and design.
中国企业在电动汽车的制造和设计诸多方面，确实借鉴了特斯拉。
Am4oba
Yep, and American car makers didn't.
没错，而美国的车企却没这么做。
tech57
原发帖人
Oh they tried. They just did it very, very badly and way too late. After they spent years laughing at Tesla and China instead of taking better notes. People tend to forget that none what was going on was a secret. Legacy auto just didn't care until the gravy train in China started slowing down.
噢，他们倒是尝试过。只是做得太差劲，而且动作实在太慢了。毕竟前几年光顾着嘲笑特斯拉和中国了，压根没好好做功课。人们往往容易忘记，这些事从来都不是什么秘密。传统车企以前根本不在乎，直到在中国开启暴利时代，他们开始走下坡路，才慌了神。
gc3
Copying no physical controls... A cost savings measure from Tesla as if that's what people want rather than making an inexpensive EV which is what people need is an example of focusing on the wrong details.
照搬特斯拉取消所有物理按键…… 特斯拉这么做纯粹是为了省成本，但这根本不是用户想要的。大家真正需要的是一辆价格亲民的电动车，而不是这种设计。这简直就是典型的抓错了重点。
Individual-Nebula927
And that's why their quality scores are all much higher than Tesla, and many now have cheaper EVs than Teslas. Turns out they know more about manufacturing than Tesla.
这就是为什么它们的品质评分全都远高于特斯拉，而且如今许多品牌的电动车售价比特斯拉还便宜。事实证明，它们在制造方面比特斯拉更懂行。
mountain_mongo
Copied, and then surpassed. Has there ever been a car manufacturer more guilty of sitting on their own laurels than Tesla?
先模仿，再超越。试问还有哪家车企能像特斯拉这样，如此心安理得地躺在功劳簿上吃老本？
Bennie-Factors
We already are an island of stagnation. Look at what is going on!!!
我们早已成为一座停滞不前的孤岛。看看现在都发生了什么吧！
AbjectFee5982
Except Polestar IS GEELY
If they get any push back I guess they can call it the Ei Polestar (electric innovation line). slap a need front or backend and badge
Make a higher or lower end Volvo similar as well
Then say what you gonna do as long as it has Android Auto or car play XD Gets around the huawei ban that way
别忘了，极星本身就是吉利的。
如果受到什么阻力，我想他们大可以把这车叫做“Ei Polestar”（电动创新系列）。随便换个前脸或车尾，再贴个标就行了。
同样也可以打造更高端或更低端的沃尔沃版本。
然后看你怎么应对，只要车里装了Android Auto或者Carplay就行，哈哈， 这样就能绕过华为禁令了。
rustbeltloser
This right here.
问题就在这儿。
mirthfun
At 100% tariff it's probably still competitive.
即便征收100%关税，它依然可能具备竞争力。
beer_bukkake
Eve with the 100% tariffs it’s a good deal. Bring them to the US!
就算顶着100%的关税，这依然是笔划算的买卖。赶紧把它们运到美国来
Mac-Tyson
Is there a single E-REV 3 Row SUV on sale in the US Market currently? If there isn’t, how is it crushing the competition if there isn’t any to compare it to. Also no way it would sell for $25K in the US market more like the $50k or $70k Edmund’s mentioned in their recent overview video. Still competitive though at a $70k price point though.
目前美国市场上有在售的三排座增程式SUV 吗？如果一款都没有，那它连可对比的竞品都不存在，又怎么能说是碾压对手呢？另外，它绝不可能在美国卖到2.5万美元，更可能是Edmund近期评测视频里提到的5万或7万美元。不过即便定价7万美元，依然具备竞争力。
C_Werner
There's the Pacific Hybrid. Not really an SUV and only about 30 miles range. Also pretty dang expensive.
确实有Pacifica Hybrid（克莱斯勒大捷龙混动版）。但它算不上真正的SUV，纯电续航也只有30英里左右。而且价格还死贵死贵的。
BringbacktheFocusRS
The Pacifica hybrid also only has a 16 kWh battery in it. Makes sense that it would get about 1/3 the electric range.
大捷龙混动版里面只塞了一块16度的电池。难怪它的纯电续航大概只有人家的三分之一。
MrClickstoomuch
I mean, the PHEV Pacifica actually drove pretty nicely for how big of a car it was. And yeah, 30 miles isn't great on that size of battery, but when it launched in 2016 for $42k you have to keep in mind the Chevrolet Volt had a $33k MSRP with about 20 more EV miles. So, you would have paid $9k more to have a 3 row Minivan over a very small sedan. The Pacifica PHEV got a combined 32 mpg on the gas engine to the Volt's 42 combined mpg, which is VERY solid at the time.
It didn't help that the Pacifica got hit by a number of post launch issues. But it was actually a surprisingly capable car from Stellantis / FCA.
说实话，考虑到克莱斯勒大捷龙混动版这么大一台车，开起来其实相当不错。确实，那块电池只跑30英里不算优秀，但要知道它2016 年上市时售价4.2万美元，而当时雪佛兰Volt厂商建议零售价3.3万美元，纯电续航还多20英里左右。
所以，你要多花9000美元，才能从一台小型轿车升级成三排座MPV。大捷龙混动版的燃油发动机综合油耗32英里/加仑，而Volt是42英里/加仑，但在当时这个表现已经非常扎实了。
虽然大捷龙上市后遇到了一堆问题，确实挺减分的。但实话实说，它其实是 Stellantis（前FCA）造出的一款相当能打的车型。
C_Werner
Oh you don't need to convince me. I'm still driving mine. Great vehicle.
哦，你完全不用说服我。我自己现在还在开呢。这车真的很棒。
Mission-Strength-307
We have a 3 row PHEV Sorento. Really nice car, we bought ours used, I think new MSRP is around $50k.
我们有一辆三排座的索兰托插混版。这车真不错，我们买的是二手的，但我记得新车的指导价大概在5万美元左右。
cy83rs30rd
It comes with a fridge, I don't believe anything currently sold in North America has a built in fridge, unless it's some luxury high end I'm not aware of.
这款车自带冰箱。我相信目前北美市场在售的车型里，没有任何一款配备内置冰箱—— 除非是某些我没关注到的超豪华高端车型。
Mac-Tyson
Economy cars really shouldn’t have luxury features like that unless they are luxury trims. Like a lot of the times I see these type of things from EVs or even simple things like rotating screens I can’t help but think how expensive that would be to replace or fix here in the US. Especially since Chinese brands have made it clear they intend to use a traditional dealership model in the US.
经济型车真的不该配备这类豪华配置，除非是豪华高配版本。很多时候我看到电动车上出现这类设计，甚至只是旋转屏幕这类简单东西，都忍不住会想：在美国这边，更换或维修这些东西得有多贵。尤其是中国品牌已经明确表示，他们打算在美国采用传统经销商模式。
ForwardStorage777
F the dealership model. Direct sales pls.
去特么的经销商模式。直接搞直营销售啊
KennyBSAT
How much does it sell for in other countries?
这车在其他国家卖多少钱？
tech57
原发帖人
It doesn't. China only last I looked.
（其他国家）没在卖。据我上次了解，目前只在中国有售。
Levorotatory
If it can do 1/3 of that distance at -30°C with adequate interior heat without starting the gas engine, and can manage battery charge so I always have full power available when towing in mountainous terrain, I want one.
如果它能在零下30摄氏度的低温下，不启动燃油发动机，仅靠电力就跑出那段距离的三分之一，同时还能保持车内温暖；并且能智能管理电池电量，确保我在山区拖挂时始终有充足动力可用——那我必须来一辆。
psykedeliq
How in the world is it possible to sell this at 25k?
这玩意儿到底是怎么做到只卖2万5的？
HighHokie
it isn’t. this will never be sold in sthe states for 25k.
不可能的。这车绝不会在美国卖2万5。
tech57
原发帖人
At a 50% tariff rate Geely was going to sell the Chinese made EX30 in USA. Then USA found out and overnight bumped it to 100%. Couple of months later USA then made Chinese consumer class cars illegal in USA.
Regardless of the price people are buying them. People in every single country on the planet except for USA. Who cares about prices in USA for illegal contraband?
Chinese Automakers Surpass Japan’s Global Vehicle Sales For The First Time
https://www.businesstoday.com.my/2026/03/24/Chinese-automakers-surpass-japans-global-vehicle-sales-for-the-first-time/
The report said that total global sales by Japanese automakers fell slightly to around 25 million units in 2025, causing Japan to lose its long-held top position for the first time since 2000. Meanwhile, Chinese car manufacturers recorded nearly 27 million units in global sales last year, rising to the top spot worldwide.
哪怕关税高达50%，吉利本来也是打算在美国销售中国制造的EX30的。结果美国政府得知后，一夜之间就把关税加到了100%。几个月后，美国干脆直接立法，禁止中国产的乘用车在美国销售。
不管价格如何，消费者照样会买。地球上除了美国，每个国家的人都在买。谁还在乎那些在美国属于“非法违禁品”的车卖多少钱呢？中国汽车制造商的全球销量首次超越日本。
报告显示，2025年日本车企的全球总销量微降至2500万辆左右，导致日本自2000年以来首次失去了长期占据的榜首位置。与此同时，中国汽车制造商去年的全球销量达到了近2700万辆，跃升至全球第一。
knownikko
Massive government investment in strategic industries + very low cost of labor and materials, fewer regulations, etc etc etc…
政府在战略性产业上的巨额投资 + 极低的人工和材料成本，再加上宽松的监管环境等原因
coffeesippingbastard
They could sell it at 38k and it would still be a steal
这车就算卖到3万8，也依然超级划算
lerxi
It's not...while M9 starts at $25K, the one they tested is a fully loaded highest trim about $35K. 0-100KM is over 7s on all other trims.
事实并非如此…… 虽然M9起售价2.5万美元，但他们测试的那台是满配顶配版，约3.5万美元。
所有其他配置版本的0–100公里加速都在7秒以上。
psykedeliq
Yeah I saw that. Nonetheless 35k for 0-60 in 4.2, massage seats and air suspension is just nutty
是啊，我看到了。不过话说回来，3万5就能买到零百加速4.2秒、带按摩座椅和空气悬挂的车，这性价比简直离谱。
Energy_Solutions_P
This is what free market competition does - its drives innovation and extreme cost declines. Yes many of these Chinese EV start ups will fail - but the ones that innovate the best get strong and prosper.
These China based EV's will enter the USA markets. These EV's will be in Canada, Mexico, across the euro zone - and folks here will demand that we have access to these superior autos that cost way less than our bloated ICE pricing.
Have you seen what Ford charges for new F-150 trucks - pathetic...
这就是自由市场竞争的作用 —— 它推动创新，并让成本大幅下降。诚然，这些中国新能源车企中许多会倒闭，但最具创新力的企业会变得强大并蓬勃发展。
这些中国电动汽车终将进入美国市场，也会进入加拿大、墨西哥以及整个欧元区。而这里的消费者会要求获得这些性能更优、价格远低于我们虚高的燃油车的车型。
你见过福特新款F-150皮卡的定价吗？简直离谱……
allahakbau
US just sucks at cars these days
如今美国的汽车产业简直烂透了。
india2wallst
Ford still hasnt figured out ice transmissions despite being around for a hundred years
福特都成立一百年了，居然还没把燃油变速箱给整明白。
iamkeerock
Ironic, Ford uses Chinese parts suppliers.
讽刺的是，福特自己还在用中国的零部件供应商。
rustbeltloser
The US automakers gave up on this country years ago. They knew the money was in China.
美国车企早在几年前就放弃这个国家了。他们心里清楚，钱都在中国。
KingOfTheAnts3
No US OEMs have string footings in China
没有哪家美国车企在中国有稳固的立足点。
rustbeltloser
Buick outsells Honda in China and sells their Chinese made models in the US.
别克在中国的销量超过本田，并且别克将中国制造的车型销往美国。
PhDinDildos_Fedoras
The Buick brand has a long history of prestige in China.
别克品牌在中国拥有悠久的历史和极高的声望。
ghostogresnowrabbit
Buicks are actually really nice for the price.
I think its just the stigma preventing them from being popular in NA.
考虑到价格，别克其实性价比很高、产品很不错。
我认为只是品牌形象问题，导致它在北美不受欢迎。
ERagingTyrant
Tesla does alright.
特斯拉混得还不错。
northbayy
I like my Rivian plenty
我特别喜欢我的Rivian
RenderedMeat
You can remove the “at cars” and it’s the same, sadly.
你可以把“汽车”那两个字去掉，意思其实都一样，说起来也挺悲哀的。
BringbacktheFocusRS
Lol, reddit never fails to disappoint.
哈哈，红迪网从来都不会让人失望
jrb66226
America bad, China good.
American redditors
美国烂，中国好。—— 美国Reddit网友
F-21
It is crazy how far some parts of China came in the last 5-10 years, especially tier 1 cities.
过去五到十年间，中国部分地区的发展速度尤为惊人，尤其是一线城市。
Bubbagump210
They’ve sucked at cars for the past 50+ years.
他们在过去50多年里，他们造车这块儿一直都很拉胯。
cultoftheclave
Maybe it's already been mentioned but it's worth pointing out that Geely is already in North America, disguised as Volvo and Polestar.
aaand downvoted in seconds for a straightforward fact. Someone's got an axe to grind? Both of those companies have been subsidiaries of Geely for upwards of five years already. The polestar 2 got bounced clear out of the US market thanks to tariffs on Chinese-built cars.
或许已经有人提过，但还是值得指出：吉利其实早就进军北美市场了，只不过披的是沃尔沃和极星的马甲。
结果这么一个直白事实，几秒钟就被点踩了。有人存心找茬是吧？这两家公司成为吉利子公司都已经五年多了。
由于中国产汽车的关税，极星2直接被挤出了美国市场。
22firefly
If American auto makers do not find a way to save themselves with innovation, which was the hallmark of American vehicles I'm afraid they will have doomed themselves. I guess this shows what happens when you do not to R&D and do not educate your own population.
如果美国汽车制造商无法通过创新实现自救—— 而创新曾是美国汽车的核心标志—— 那我担心它们就是在自掘坟墓。
在我看来，这恰恰说明了：不投入研发、不培养本国人才，最终会是什么下场。
KhushBrownies
I mean US cars in general ain't shit anymore for the last 3 decades. There'll be a time U.S. autos could be the same fate as british automakers. DEAD.
有一说一，过去这三十年，美国车整体上早就烂透了。搞不好哪天美国汽车业会落得和英国汽车业一样的下场——彻底凉凉。
DuoDriver
I've owned a BYD Seal Dual Motor EV for two months, to replace a Hyundai Kona 64kw EV. In the past I've owned a Jeep Cherokee, several BMW variants, 2 x Mercedes SLK, Porsche Boxster and a ruck of other makes & models. No other car has impressed me so much as the BYD. The build quality is excellent, comfort is second to none, equipment and 'gizmo' level - nice, performance and and sheer 'driveability' (not sure how else to describe it) is superb. I lost the love of driving in the early 90s, due to a long M1, M25, M4, A4 commute, but now I find myself looking for excuses to "take her out for a spin".
Everyone I've taken for a whirl has been impressed, and without exception, had their minds changed regarding electric cars.
Other manufacturers need to up their game to take BYD on - IMHO.
我买比亚迪海豹双电机版才两个月，它是用来接替我那台现代科纳64度电动车的。往远了说，我开过的车可不少：Jeep切诺基、好几款宝马、两辆奔驰SLK、保时捷Boxster，还有一堆其他杂七杂八的牌子。但说实话，没有哪辆车能像比亚迪这样让我惊艳。
它的做工质感没得挑，舒适度更是无与伦比，配置和那些“黑科技”小玩意儿也很对胃口。至于性能和那种纯粹的驾驶质感（我实在想不出更贴切的词）堪称一流。
早在90年代初，因为常年要在M1、M25、M4和A4这些路上通勤，我早就对开车这事儿提不起劲了。但现在我总会找各种借口开它出去兜风。
我载过的每个人坐完车都赞不绝口，而且无一例外，都彻底改变了对电动车的偏见。
依我看，其他厂商要是想跟比亚迪过招，还得再努把力才行。”
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