【战场老照片】2004年11月，第二次费卢杰战役，美国海军陆战队。
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ashir
Thank you for posting this pic. It brought back some sobering memories.
In 2004, I was voluntold for convoy duty. One of our jobs was to run supplies from BIAP out to the forward temp posts outside Falluja - mostly mres, medical supplies for field triage and such. We were mostly using duece and a halfs, pickups and humvees.
I remember how surreal it felt pulling out of the green zone where there was hot food, showers and clean uniforms - (for us, we were barely trained). Occasional IED or ambush attempt but nothing too crazy.
Then pulling into the forward bases and seeing the teams grabbing what we were dropping off, filthy and salty as all get out. Field triage tents and trucks rolling in with wounded. Talk to some of the guys around and hearing the gunfire, airstrikes and artillery not far ahead. Guys not having had a shower or real food in days, weeks.
Then load up whatever we needed to take back and start the whole process over again, back to BIAP where we'd offload and catch a nap in the AC tent, hot shower and food, and go back out again.
谢谢你上传这张照片。它唤起了一些发人深省的回忆。
2004年，我自愿参加车队护航任务。我们的工作之一是从伊拉克巴格达机场向费卢杰城外的前线临时哨所运送物资——主要是单兵速热食品，以及战场医疗物资。我们主要使用军用卡车，皮卡和悍马运输物资。
联军后方基地和前方基地完全是两个世界，后方基地有热腾腾的食物、淋浴设施和干净的制服——大部分时间都没什么事情，(我们很少训练)。偶尔会遇到简易爆炸装置或伏击，但问题都不大。
到达前线哨所，脏兮兮浑身是汗的作战部队会过来扛走我们丢下的物资。不断有卡车将伤员转移至临时战地医院。在和周围人交谈时，能听到不远处的枪声、空袭声和炮火声。他们几天，几周都没洗过澡，没吃上热饭。
然后我们把需要带回去的东西装好，回到巴格达机场，我们卸下行李，在空调帐篷里打个盹，洗个热水澡，吃点东西，然后再随车队护送物资。
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Thank you for posting this pic. It brought back some sobering memories.
In 2004, I was voluntold for convoy duty. One of our jobs was to run supplies from BIAP out to the forward temp posts outside Falluja - mostly mres, medical supplies for field triage and such. We were mostly using duece and a halfs, pickups and humvees.
I remember how surreal it felt pulling out of the green zone where there was hot food, showers and clean uniforms - (for us, we were barely trained). Occasional IED or ambush attempt but nothing too crazy.
Then pulling into the forward bases and seeing the teams grabbing what we were dropping off, filthy and salty as all get out. Field triage tents and trucks rolling in with wounded. Talk to some of the guys around and hearing the gunfire, airstrikes and artillery not far ahead. Guys not having had a shower or real food in days, weeks.
Then load up whatever we needed to take back and start the whole process over again, back to BIAP where we'd offload and catch a nap in the AC tent, hot shower and food, and go back out again.
谢谢你上传这张照片。它唤起了一些发人深省的回忆。
2004年，我自愿参加车队护航任务。我们的工作之一是从伊拉克巴格达机场向费卢杰城外的前线临时哨所运送物资——主要是单兵速热食品，以及战场医疗物资。我们主要使用军用卡车，皮卡和悍马运输物资。
联军后方基地和前方基地完全是两个世界，后方基地有热腾腾的食物、淋浴设施和干净的制服——大部分时间都没什么事情，(我们很少训练)。偶尔会遇到简易爆炸装置或伏击，但问题都不大。
到达前线哨所，脏兮兮浑身是汗的作战部队会过来扛走我们丢下的物资。不断有卡车将伤员转移至临时战地医院。在和周围人交谈时，能听到不远处的枪声、空袭声和炮火声。他们几天，几周都没洗过澡，没吃上热饭。
然后我们把需要带回去的东西装好，回到巴格达机场，我们卸下行李，在空调帐篷里打个盹，洗个热水澡，吃点东西，然后再随车队护送物资。
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mickey_oneil_0311
I was in an infantry company working out of a FOB on the edge of the city. We got to go back to base once every 9 days to shower and eat in the chow hall. Check our email.
I can remember a random staff NCO working on the base yelling at me for not having a cover on. It made me so fucking angry.
我曾经在城市边缘的一个前沿基地服役。我们每九天要回基地洗一次澡，然后在食堂吃饭。收发我们的电子邮件。
我还记得一个在基地工作的军士因为我没有戴头盔而对我大吼大叫。这让我很生气。
I was in an infantry company working out of a FOB on the edge of the city. We got to go back to base once every 9 days to shower and eat in the chow hall. Check our email.
I can remember a random staff NCO working on the base yelling at me for not having a cover on. It made me so fucking angry.
我曾经在城市边缘的一个前沿基地服役。我们每九天要回基地洗一次澡，然后在食堂吃饭。收发我们的电子邮件。
我还记得一个在基地工作的军士因为我没有戴头盔而对我大吼大叫。这让我很生气。
BlackSquirrel05
Lol I remember so many FOBBITs getting on shit like that.
"Why are your sleeves rolled up!!" Dude because i'm just getting off a shift and it's 120 outside. Fuck off.
I do remember one really hilarious time some SNCO went after either a team guy or Navy EOD about a cover.
SNCO: "Where is your cover!!!"
"Hey!! Where is your cover!!?"
Guy: "I don't have a cover."
The SNCO is now stupefied... Then snaps out out of it chases the guy.
"I ASKED WHERE YOU COVER IS!! "
Guy: BRO!! I SAID i DON'T HAVE A FUCKING COVER!! NOW GET THE FUCK OFF ME!!"
One of the most hilarious instances out there.
哈哈，我记得有很多前沿基地士兵都是这样。
军士长：“你为什么把袖子卷起来了!!”
士兵：“滚开，我刚执完勤，外面有120（华氏）度。”
我记得有一次非常搞笑的对话，高级军士长:“你的头盔在哪里!!”
士兵:“我没拿头盔。”
高级军士长愣住了…然后冲出来追上那个人。
“我在问你的头盔在哪里!!”
士兵:“兄弟! !我说了，我他妈的没拿头盔!!你他妈的给我滚开!!”
这是我看见的最搞笑的事情之一。
Lol I remember so many FOBBITs getting on shit like that.
"Why are your sleeves rolled up!!" Dude because i'm just getting off a shift and it's 120 outside. Fuck off.
I do remember one really hilarious time some SNCO went after either a team guy or Navy EOD about a cover.
SNCO: "Where is your cover!!!"
"Hey!! Where is your cover!!?"
Guy: "I don't have a cover."
The SNCO is now stupefied... Then snaps out out of it chases the guy.
"I ASKED WHERE YOU COVER IS!! "
Guy: BRO!! I SAID i DON'T HAVE A FUCKING COVER!! NOW GET THE FUCK OFF ME!!"
One of the most hilarious instances out there.
哈哈，我记得有很多前沿基地士兵都是这样。
军士长：“你为什么把袖子卷起来了!!”
士兵：“滚开，我刚执完勤，外面有120（华氏）度。”
我记得有一次非常搞笑的对话，高级军士长:“你的头盔在哪里!!”
士兵:“我没拿头盔。”
高级军士长愣住了…然后冲出来追上那个人。
“我在问你的头盔在哪里!!”
士兵:“兄弟! !我说了，我他妈的没拿头盔!!你他妈的给我滚开!!”
这是我看见的最搞笑的事情之一。
StabSnowboarders
I love hearing stories of pog ass NCOs trying to shit on actual pipe hitters, just brings me great joy
我喜欢听从来没上过战场的傻缺军士长在作战士兵面前吃瘪的故事，给我带来了莫大的快乐
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I love hearing stories of pog ass NCOs trying to shit on actual pipe hitters, just brings me great joy
我喜欢听从来没上过战场的傻缺军士长在作战士兵面前吃瘪的故事，给我带来了莫大的快乐
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bobthebobofbob
One time we pulled into KAF to drop off supplies and pick up some guys who just got back from R&R. Apparently KAF had recently changed the policy on weapons and you were now not allowed to have a magazine in your weapon when you were just walking around.
So we hopped out of our trucks and were in a circle talking about when to meet back up at the trucks and stuff and one of our guys still had his mag in. This random E5 who clearly lived on KAF walks up and said "hey, take your damn magazine out of your weapons" and then just stood there to make sure that he actually did it. Well our platoon sergeant who was nearby walked up and said "hey, sorry we aren't up to date with your KAF policies. We usually don't walk around with no magazines in because believe it or not there's a war going on on the other side of the walls that you can't even see from here. Now fuck off, I'm sure I can figure out how to fix this situation".
The look on the E5's face was hilarious. He was absolutely not ready for that response.
有一次我们开车到艾哈迈德沙巴国际机场运送补给品，顺便接几个刚从休养中心回来的人。显然机场最近改变了武器规定，进入机场后，你的枪必须和弹夹分离。
所以当我们从卡车上跳下来，围成一圈讨论什么时候回来碰面时，一个很明显隶属机场的中士走了过来，指着我们中的一个人说:“嘿，把你那该死的弹夹从你的武器上取下来”，然后就站在那里，打算看着他取下弹夹。
这时，站在我们附近的排长走过来说"抱歉，我们不了解你们机场的规定，但我们的枪一直都要装着弹夹，因为不管你信不信，围墙的外边正在打仗，而你只待在机场里什么都不懂。现在赶紧滚吧，我们会管好自己的事情。”
那位中士的表情非常滑稽。他绝对没想到会得到这样的回复。
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One time we pulled into KAF to drop off supplies and pick up some guys who just got back from R&R. Apparently KAF had recently changed the policy on weapons and you were now not allowed to have a magazine in your weapon when you were just walking around.
So we hopped out of our trucks and were in a circle talking about when to meet back up at the trucks and stuff and one of our guys still had his mag in. This random E5 who clearly lived on KAF walks up and said "hey, take your damn magazine out of your weapons" and then just stood there to make sure that he actually did it. Well our platoon sergeant who was nearby walked up and said "hey, sorry we aren't up to date with your KAF policies. We usually don't walk around with no magazines in because believe it or not there's a war going on on the other side of the walls that you can't even see from here. Now fuck off, I'm sure I can figure out how to fix this situation".
The look on the E5's face was hilarious. He was absolutely not ready for that response.
有一次我们开车到艾哈迈德沙巴国际机场运送补给品，顺便接几个刚从休养中心回来的人。显然机场最近改变了武器规定，进入机场后，你的枪必须和弹夹分离。
所以当我们从卡车上跳下来，围成一圈讨论什么时候回来碰面时，一个很明显隶属机场的中士走了过来，指着我们中的一个人说:“嘿，把你那该死的弹夹从你的武器上取下来”，然后就站在那里，打算看着他取下弹夹。
这时，站在我们附近的排长走过来说"抱歉，我们不了解你们机场的规定，但我们的枪一直都要装着弹夹，因为不管你信不信，围墙的外边正在打仗，而你只待在机场里什么都不懂。现在赶紧滚吧，我们会管好自己的事情。”
那位中士的表情非常滑稽。他绝对没想到会得到这样的回复。
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ParappaTheWrapper
Our camp commandant was a Air Force E9. She got up in this dudes face about shaving. Mind you this dude was in civvies and looked haggard as fuck. He ignored her and kept walking. She then demanded to know who his commander was. He looked at her and said, "I'm Captain (O6) ######." She pretty much ran away. After that she decided that we the AC-130 crews were her prime targets. Luckily, the team guys looked out for us and we didn't have to put up with her long. Another funny story about her was during an inprocssesing briefing she asked all E5s and below to stay after. She then tried to tell us how deployments went. That was my 4th rotation. All of us had more deployment time than this E9. 27 years in the military and she had never deployed. It was infuriating.
我们的指挥官是一位空军军士长。有一次，她逮住一个家伙，说他应该刮脸剃胡须，当时这家伙穿的是便服，看起来很憔悴。
他不理她，继续往前走。然后她就问他的上级是谁。这家伙看着她说:“我是上尉（薪资等级O6）。”她听到后赶紧溜了。
在那之后，她又把我们AC-130机组当成她的找茬目标。幸运的是，由于机队队友们都很团结，很照顾我们机组，所有她没有作妖太久。
关于她的另一个有趣的故事是，在一次任务简报中，她要求所有级别为E5及以下的人留下来，然后给我们部署任务。那已经是我第四次轮班了。我们所有人执行任务的时间都比她长。她在军队里待了27年，从来没有被外派过任务。这让人很生气。
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Our camp commandant was a Air Force E9. She got up in this dudes face about shaving. Mind you this dude was in civvies and looked haggard as fuck. He ignored her and kept walking. She then demanded to know who his commander was. He looked at her and said, "I'm Captain (O6) ######." She pretty much ran away. After that she decided that we the AC-130 crews were her prime targets. Luckily, the team guys looked out for us and we didn't have to put up with her long. Another funny story about her was during an inprocssesing briefing she asked all E5s and below to stay after. She then tried to tell us how deployments went. That was my 4th rotation. All of us had more deployment time than this E9. 27 years in the military and she had never deployed. It was infuriating.
我们的指挥官是一位空军军士长。有一次，她逮住一个家伙，说他应该刮脸剃胡须，当时这家伙穿的是便服，看起来很憔悴。
他不理她，继续往前走。然后她就问他的上级是谁。这家伙看着她说:“我是上尉（薪资等级O6）。”她听到后赶紧溜了。
在那之后，她又把我们AC-130机组当成她的找茬目标。幸运的是，由于机队队友们都很团结，很照顾我们机组，所有她没有作妖太久。
关于她的另一个有趣的故事是，在一次任务简报中，她要求所有级别为E5及以下的人留下来，然后给我们部署任务。那已经是我第四次轮班了。我们所有人执行任务的时间都比她长。她在军队里待了27年，从来没有被外派过任务。这让人很生气。
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0311
One of our guys got chewed out by some gunny at Camp Fallujah for having "dirty cammies" because we had just done a medevac and he had blood on him.
我一个战友在费卢杰营地因为“衣着不整洁”而被军士骂了一顿，只因为我们刚乘坐一架医疗直升机返回，他身上沾了些血污。
One of our guys got chewed out by some gunny at Camp Fallujah for having "dirty cammies" because we had just done a medevac and he had blood on him.
我一个战友在费卢杰营地因为“衣着不整洁”而被军士骂了一顿，只因为我们刚乘坐一架医疗直升机返回，他身上沾了些血污。
FortyTwoDonkeyBalls
"Fix Bayonets" was the command I always feared the most.
“全体上刺刀”一直是我最害怕听到的命令
"Fix Bayonets" was the command I always feared the most.
“全体上刺刀”一直是我最害怕听到的命令
Danmont88
I was in the AF as administration. Some civilian made a comment about me having to shoot and fight and I told "extremely unlikely."
He said "well, it if got bad enough they would send you to the front" I replied "It gets so bad AF paper pushers have to go then the game is already over."
I will say wife's nephew joined the AF and was in Supply. They asked for volunteers to do convoy escort duty as the army was short handed. He signed up and got some training.
We think he even got wounded as he has scars he didn't have when he went in and won't talk about them.
我之前在空军当行政人员。一些人留言说我也得拿枪上战场，我说“极不可能”。
他坚持说:“如果情况够糟，他们就会把你送到前线去。”
我回答说:“如果战况到了需要空军文员顶上的程度，那么游戏就已经结束了。”
后来我妻子的侄子加入了空军，在后勤保障处工作。由于陆军人手不足，他们要求志愿者参加护送车队任务。他报名了，并接受了一些训练。
我们认为他在训练或执行任务时受伤了，因为他添了新伤疤，但他不愿谈论这些伤疤的来历。
I was in the AF as administration. Some civilian made a comment about me having to shoot and fight and I told "extremely unlikely."
He said "well, it if got bad enough they would send you to the front" I replied "It gets so bad AF paper pushers have to go then the game is already over."
I will say wife's nephew joined the AF and was in Supply. They asked for volunteers to do convoy escort duty as the army was short handed. He signed up and got some training.
We think he even got wounded as he has scars he didn't have when he went in and won't talk about them.
我之前在空军当行政人员。一些人留言说我也得拿枪上战场，我说“极不可能”。
他坚持说:“如果情况够糟，他们就会把你送到前线去。”
我回答说:“如果战况到了需要空军文员顶上的程度，那么游戏就已经结束了。”
后来我妻子的侄子加入了空军，在后勤保障处工作。由于陆军人手不足，他们要求志愿者参加护送车队任务。他报名了，并接受了一些训练。
我们认为他在训练或执行任务时受伤了，因为他添了新伤疤，但他不愿谈论这些伤疤的来历。
Domovie1
the situation was pretty dumb if they were accepting Supp Techs, even as volunteers!
这种找后勤技术人员当临时志愿者的做法真的很蠢！
the situation was pretty dumb if they were accepting Supp Techs, even as volunteers!
这种找后勤技术人员当临时志愿者的做法真的很蠢！
Danmont88
It did get pretty bad. Army raised enlistment age to 38, started waving some prior criminal convictions and in some cases were allowing people without a GED/HS diploma to enlist. He had a few pictures of them walking around with M 16s and what ever machine guns they carry now and the trucks. Running from Kuwait up to Bagdad.
确实很糟糕。但军队已经将入伍年龄提高到38岁，在某些情况下，一些有犯罪前科的人，没有GED/HS高中文凭的人也被允许入伍。
我的侄子有一些拍摄他们带着m16步枪，机枪，从科威特乘坐军车行军到巴格达的照片。。
It did get pretty bad. Army raised enlistment age to 38, started waving some prior criminal convictions and in some cases were allowing people without a GED/HS diploma to enlist. He had a few pictures of them walking around with M 16s and what ever machine guns they carry now and the trucks. Running from Kuwait up to Bagdad.
确实很糟糕。但军队已经将入伍年龄提高到38岁，在某些情况下，一些有犯罪前科的人，没有GED/HS高中文凭的人也被允许入伍。
我的侄子有一些拍摄他们带着m16步枪，机枪，从科威特乘坐军车行军到巴格达的照片。。
40mm_of_freedom
I know a few dudes that did that. Most of them were vehicle operations (drive busses, sign out vehicles to TDY crews, do maintenance, ,etc) and a some ended up in pretty bad situations with ambushes and IEDs.
我认识一些这样的人。他们大多数都是车辆操作员(驾驶车辆、给执行临时任务的人登记分配车辆、维修等等)，其中有几个人死在了伏击和简易爆炸装置上。
I know a few dudes that did that. Most of them were vehicle operations (drive busses, sign out vehicles to TDY crews, do maintenance, ,etc) and a some ended up in pretty bad situations with ambushes and IEDs.
我认识一些这样的人。他们大多数都是车辆操作员(驾驶车辆、给执行临时任务的人登记分配车辆、维修等等)，其中有几个人死在了伏击和简易爆炸装置上。
PM_ME_UR_LEAVE_CHITS
When the Taliban stormed Camp Leatherneck in 2012, the mechanics had to grab rifles and fight as infantrymen to retake the airfield.
2012年，塔利班袭击了海军陆战队Leatherneck营地，机械师们不得不抓起步枪，充当步兵，重新夺回营地机场。
When the Taliban stormed Camp Leatherneck in 2012, the mechanics had to grab rifles and fight as infantrymen to retake the airfield.
2012年，塔利班袭击了海军陆战队Leatherneck营地，机械师们不得不抓起步枪，充当步兵，重新夺回营地机场。
zephyer19
Yes but all Marines get combat training don't they ? Paper pushers in the AF don't. Well back in
是的，但是所有的海军陆战队员都接受过战斗训练，不是吗?但空军文员就没有。
Yes but all Marines get combat training don't they ? Paper pushers in the AF don't. Well back in
是的，但是所有的海军陆战队员都接受过战斗训练，不是吗?但空军文员就没有。
PM_ME_UR_LEAVE_CHITS
Khe Sanh would be a similar situation then, with a couple hundred USAF dead.
In the bad old days of Iraq, some of the deadliest MOSes were truck drivers and supply (IEDs)
My point is that nobody expected those people to be combatants. And yet one day they had to.
越战时期，被越军围攻的溪山基地，有几百名美国空军人员阵亡。
在伊拉克战局最紧张的那段日子里，卡车司机和后勤供应人员是简易爆炸装置的目标。
我想说的是，没人会认为那些人是战士。但总有一天他们不得不这么成为战士。
Khe Sanh would be a similar situation then, with a couple hundred USAF dead.
In the bad old days of Iraq, some of the deadliest MOSes were truck drivers and supply (IEDs)
My point is that nobody expected those people to be combatants. And yet one day they had to.
越战时期，被越军围攻的溪山基地，有几百名美国空军人员阵亡。
在伊拉克战局最紧张的那段日子里，卡车司机和后勤供应人员是简易爆炸装置的目标。
我想说的是，没人会认为那些人是战士。但总有一天他们不得不这么成为战士。
Lapsed__Pacifist
My unit was augmented by Air Force AND Navy personnel in Iraq in 2008 because we couldn't make numbers to deploy.
Very few of them left the base or were assigned to duties outside the wire, but out commo, supply and intel sections were largely made up of Navy and Air Force volunteers that were officially attached to our unit. This was not ad-hoc either. They mobilized with us from the US and served the whole tour.
Then in 2011 for the Afghan surge it happened again, but on a smaller scale.
2008年，有大量的空军和海军职员加入我的部队，因为我们在伊拉克缺乏足够的人手。
他们中很少有人离开基地或被分配到铁丝网外执行任务，但我们的通讯、补给和情报部门都由这些正式隶属我们部队的海军和空军志愿者组成。
而且也不是临时的。他们从美国和我们一起参加动员，然后一路提供支持保障。
2011年阿富汗增兵也是如此，但规模较小。
My unit was augmented by Air Force AND Navy personnel in Iraq in 2008 because we couldn't make numbers to deploy.
Very few of them left the base or were assigned to duties outside the wire, but out commo, supply and intel sections were largely made up of Navy and Air Force volunteers that were officially attached to our unit. This was not ad-hoc either. They mobilized with us from the US and served the whole tour.
Then in 2011 for the Afghan surge it happened again, but on a smaller scale.
2008年，有大量的空军和海军职员加入我的部队，因为我们在伊拉克缺乏足够的人手。
他们中很少有人离开基地或被分配到铁丝网外执行任务，但我们的通讯、补给和情报部门都由这些正式隶属我们部队的海军和空军志愿者组成。
而且也不是临时的。他们从美国和我们一起参加动员，然后一路提供支持保障。
2011年阿富汗增兵也是如此，但规模较小。
Effthegov
I was an AF firefighter, a civilian cosplaying in uniform. We rarely even participated in squadron PT. Our deadpan serious take was that if we got issued weapons in the desert, we were already dead and awareness just hadn't yet caught up to reality. Personally I spent 4 months playing games and modifying co-workers Xbox's to play retro games, oh- and opening the fire station door during a shamal once, oops.
On the other extreme a kid i grew up with got a degree then enlisted as marine infantry. "Hey this guy can math, put him on the mortars" then "hey this guy can math, put him on fire control" then "hey this guy can math, send him to JTAC" at which point my buddy finally had a response - "NO! No, don't send this guy to JTAC, they do crazy shit!"
We have very few jobs in the AF that compare to much of the Army/Marines. The vast majority of us have very little chance of being in any shit outside of volunteering for convoy duty
Since I was in, I've thought things are fucked. in Honduras getting paid $150/mo hardship because I had to walk 30ft out my room to the pisser. Meanwhile a lot of the army cats on base with us were shocked at the amenities compared to some of the shitholes*(I've seen a few)* they came from stateside. These guys probably average 12hrs/6days a week under a thumb, are infinitely more likely to be in some shit, and yet are quite pleased with conditions that the AF pays us extra for "slumming it." Fuck that, guys with real combat danger*(and the lifestyles/training associated)* need to be paid better than I was.
我那时是一名空军后勤消防人员，一名穿着军服的平民。我们甚至很少参与体能训练。我们真心认为，如果要让我们拿起武器进沙漠作战，那我们就死定了。
就我个人的服役生涯而言，我花了4个月的时间玩游戏，并修改了同事的Xbox，让他们能在Xbox上玩老游戏，哦，还有一次在沙尘暴期间忘了关消防站的门，哈哈。
和我一起长大的发小获得了学位，然后应征入伍成为海军陆战队的一名步兵。部队对他的态度是：
“嘿，这家伙会数学，让他操作迫击炮”
“嘿，这家伙会数学，让他负责火控系统”
“嘿，这家伙会数学，让他当联合攻击引导员”（引导空中支援和空中打击）
这时我的朋友终于忍不住了，“不!我不当联合攻击引导员，他们干的都是些疯狂的事情!”
与陆军和海军相比，我们空军的工作很少。我们也很少有机会参加为车队志愿护航的任务。
自从我加入空军后，我就觉得一切都很糟糕。在洪都拉斯营地，我每天需要离开房间，到30英尺外的地方上厕所。这里的生活设施之糟糕，就连很多和我们一起住基地的陆军士兵也感到震惊。
这些陆军士兵平均每周6天，每天12小时都处于待命状态，有时甚至要执行危险任务。
但他们却对空军额外支付给每个人每月150美元的艰苦环境补贴感到高兴。去他妈的，那些真正经历战斗危险(以及艰苦生活/训练)的士兵应该得到比我更好的报酬。
I was an AF firefighter, a civilian cosplaying in uniform. We rarely even participated in squadron PT. Our deadpan serious take was that if we got issued weapons in the desert, we were already dead and awareness just hadn't yet caught up to reality. Personally I spent 4 months playing games and modifying co-workers Xbox's to play retro games, oh- and opening the fire station door during a shamal once, oops.
On the other extreme a kid i grew up with got a degree then enlisted as marine infantry. "Hey this guy can math, put him on the mortars" then "hey this guy can math, put him on fire control" then "hey this guy can math, send him to JTAC" at which point my buddy finally had a response - "NO! No, don't send this guy to JTAC, they do crazy shit!"
We have very few jobs in the AF that compare to much of the Army/Marines. The vast majority of us have very little chance of being in any shit outside of volunteering for convoy duty
Since I was in, I've thought things are fucked. in Honduras getting paid $150/mo hardship because I had to walk 30ft out my room to the pisser. Meanwhile a lot of the army cats on base with us were shocked at the amenities compared to some of the shitholes*(I've seen a few)* they came from stateside. These guys probably average 12hrs/6days a week under a thumb, are infinitely more likely to be in some shit, and yet are quite pleased with conditions that the AF pays us extra for "slumming it." Fuck that, guys with real combat danger*(and the lifestyles/training associated)* need to be paid better than I was.
我那时是一名空军后勤消防人员，一名穿着军服的平民。我们甚至很少参与体能训练。我们真心认为，如果要让我们拿起武器进沙漠作战，那我们就死定了。
就我个人的服役生涯而言，我花了4个月的时间玩游戏，并修改了同事的Xbox，让他们能在Xbox上玩老游戏，哦，还有一次在沙尘暴期间忘了关消防站的门，哈哈。
和我一起长大的发小获得了学位，然后应征入伍成为海军陆战队的一名步兵。部队对他的态度是：
“嘿，这家伙会数学，让他操作迫击炮”
“嘿，这家伙会数学，让他负责火控系统”
“嘿，这家伙会数学，让他当联合攻击引导员”（引导空中支援和空中打击）
这时我的朋友终于忍不住了，“不!我不当联合攻击引导员，他们干的都是些疯狂的事情!”
与陆军和海军相比，我们空军的工作很少。我们也很少有机会参加为车队志愿护航的任务。
自从我加入空军后，我就觉得一切都很糟糕。在洪都拉斯营地，我每天需要离开房间，到30英尺外的地方上厕所。这里的生活设施之糟糕，就连很多和我们一起住基地的陆军士兵也感到震惊。
这些陆军士兵平均每周6天，每天12小时都处于待命状态，有时甚至要执行危险任务。
但他们却对空军额外支付给每个人每月150美元的艰苦环境补贴感到高兴。去他妈的，那些真正经历战斗危险(以及艰苦生活/训练)的士兵应该得到比我更好的报酬。
Danmont88
I agree. My big bitch about living in NCO dorm was no A/C, to be fair the windows only opened a few inches. Don't know who came up with that brain storm, 100 plus degrees in the Summer in the room.
I got sent to Italy and all of our support came from an Airborne base and I sort of shut up about the dorms when I saw they lived 4 to room and basic training style.
You got around, I hardly went any where. Desert Storm I was in Italy and got sent back stateside and found out my friends were sent to Spain to work.
我同意。我对军士宿舍的最大抱怨是没有空调，说句公道话，在夏天100华氏度以上的房间里，窗户只能打开几英寸。不知道是谁想出来的规定。
我之前被派往意大利，我们所有的后勤支持都来自一个空降基地，当我看到他们四人一室的生活和训练方式时，我就停止了对宿舍的抱怨。
你可以全世界到处跑，而我却几乎什么地方都没去。我只在意大利呆过一段时间，回美国时发现我的朋友被调到西班牙工作。
I agree. My big bitch about living in NCO dorm was no A/C, to be fair the windows only opened a few inches. Don't know who came up with that brain storm, 100 plus degrees in the Summer in the room.
I got sent to Italy and all of our support came from an Airborne base and I sort of shut up about the dorms when I saw they lived 4 to room and basic training style.
You got around, I hardly went any where. Desert Storm I was in Italy and got sent back stateside and found out my friends were sent to Spain to work.
我同意。我对军士宿舍的最大抱怨是没有空调，说句公道话，在夏天100华氏度以上的房间里，窗户只能打开几英寸。不知道是谁想出来的规定。
我之前被派往意大利，我们所有的后勤支持都来自一个空降基地，当我看到他们四人一室的生活和训练方式时，我就停止了对宿舍的抱怨。
你可以全世界到处跑，而我却几乎什么地方都没去。我只在意大利呆过一段时间，回美国时发现我的朋友被调到西班牙工作。
gobblox38
I was in first cav at the time. One of our brigades went there to cordon and clear the area.
My general experience with marines in Iraq gave me a very poor opinion of them.
我当时在第一骑兵师。我们的一个旅去了那里封锁城市并清场。
在伊拉克与海军陆战队打交道的经历让我对他们的印象很差。
I was in first cav at the time. One of our brigades went there to cordon and clear the area.
My general experience with marines in Iraq gave me a very poor opinion of them.
我当时在第一骑兵师。我们的一个旅去了那里封锁城市并清场。
在伊拉克与海军陆战队打交道的经历让我对他们的印象很差。
Hate-Furnace
Could you elaborate? If not no worries dude, just curious as I know very little about the military/marines.
你能详细说说吗?别担心，伙计，我只是好奇，因为我对陆军/海军陆战队知之甚少。
Could you elaborate? If not no worries dude, just curious as I know very little about the military/marines.
你能详细说说吗?别担心，伙计，我只是好奇，因为我对陆军/海军陆战队知之甚少。
gobblox38
A friend of mine at the time and marines fired on them due to misidentification, despite them being in HMMWVs and M113s. Luckily for my friend, marines are terrible marksmen off a rifle range. No one was injured.
当时我战友的部队和海军陆战队遭遇，海军陆战队因为错误识别而向他们开火，尽管我战友的部队坐在悍马和m113运兵车里。对我朋友来说幸运的是，海军陆战队的枪法很烂。所以没有人受伤。
A friend of mine at the time and marines fired on them due to misidentification, despite them being in HMMWVs and M113s. Luckily for my friend, marines are terrible marksmen off a rifle range. No one was injured.
当时我战友的部队和海军陆战队遭遇，海军陆战队因为错误识别而向他们开火，尽管我战友的部队坐在悍马和m113运兵车里。对我朋友来说幸运的是，海军陆战队的枪法很烂。所以没有人受伤。
s33murd3r
So I was part of Task Force Olympia, which was made up mostly of Army units. the marines had failed to control the city after months of combat and that Task Force Olympia had to be brought in to stabilize the situation. To be clear, Fallujah was fucked and I don't think it's the fault of the Marines, just that the operation required more than a couple of Marine Expeditionary Battalions. But it does burn me pretty bad that whoever made this is leaving out the fact that the Marines were not able to control the battle space until the Army showed up. Really, it was 1st division that made the biggest difference. kicked ass and without there heavies, that battle would have gone on for months.
我曾是奥林匹亚特遣队的一员，该特遣队主要由陆军部队组成。通过之前的战斗，海军陆战队未能控制这座城市，军方不得不派出奥林匹亚特遣部队来稳定局势。需要说明的是，费卢杰形势恶化，我不认为这是海军陆战队的错，因为这次行动只派出了几个海军陆战队远征营。但事实是，海军陆战队在陆军出现之前无法结束战斗。真的，如果不是陆军第一步兵师的重火力支援，海军陆战队就要被暴揍，战斗可能要持续好几个月
So I was part of Task Force Olympia, which was made up mostly of Army units. the marines had failed to control the city after months of combat and that Task Force Olympia had to be brought in to stabilize the situation. To be clear, Fallujah was fucked and I don't think it's the fault of the Marines, just that the operation required more than a couple of Marine Expeditionary Battalions. But it does burn me pretty bad that whoever made this is leaving out the fact that the Marines were not able to control the battle space until the Army showed up. Really, it was 1st division that made the biggest difference. kicked ass and without there heavies, that battle would have gone on for months.
我曾是奥林匹亚特遣队的一员，该特遣队主要由陆军部队组成。通过之前的战斗，海军陆战队未能控制这座城市，军方不得不派出奥林匹亚特遣部队来稳定局势。需要说明的是，费卢杰形势恶化，我不认为这是海军陆战队的错，因为这次行动只派出了几个海军陆战队远征营。但事实是，海军陆战队在陆军出现之前无法结束战斗。真的，如果不是陆军第一步兵师的重火力支援，海军陆战队就要被暴揍，战斗可能要持续好几个月
Gfnk0311
You're wrong. It was a joint effort from the beginning. I was there on the ground for 3 months, and didn't see one army soldier but I cleared dozens of houses. For you to think we messed up somehow is entirely inaccurate. Please don't get me started on this branch for branch bullshit, because you won't win that
你错了。这场战斗从一开始就是海军陆战队与陆军的联合行动。我在那里待了3个月，没有见到一个陆军士兵，但我们独立清理了几十栋房子。你认为我们搞砸了行动是完全不对的。请别和我杠，因为你赢不了的
You're wrong. It was a joint effort from the beginning. I was there on the ground for 3 months, and didn't see one army soldier but I cleared dozens of houses. For you to think we messed up somehow is entirely inaccurate. Please don't get me started on this branch for branch bullshit, because you won't win that
你错了。这场战斗从一开始就是海军陆战队与陆军的联合行动。我在那里待了3个月，没有见到一个陆军士兵，但我们独立清理了几十栋房子。你认为我们搞砸了行动是完全不对的。请别和我杠，因为你赢不了的
s33murd3r
We were the guys you were shooting at lol!
但你们确实朝我们射击了啊，哈哈！
We were the guys you were shooting at lol!
但你们确实朝我们射击了啊，哈哈！
Gfnk0311
Haha. You guys are a bigger force, but in no way are you better. We had to bail you guys out countless times, all documented. Believe what you want, but you can't argue the facts
呵呵，你们陆军只是规模庞大，但你们绝对不是最好的作战部队。我们陆战队无数次把你们陆军从危险中救出来，这都是有记录的。你想相信什么就相信什么，但你不能否认事实
Haha. You guys are a bigger force, but in no way are you better. We had to bail you guys out countless times, all documented. Believe what you want, but you can't argue the facts
呵呵，你们陆军只是规模庞大，但你们绝对不是最好的作战部队。我们陆战队无数次把你们陆军从危险中救出来，这都是有记录的。你想相信什么就相信什么，但你不能否认事实
s33murd3r
Believe what you want, but you can't argue the facts
That is exactly what you're doing here lol.
“你想相信什么就相信什么，但你不能否认事实”
你不觉得这句话正说的是你自己吗，哈哈。
Believe what you want, but you can't argue the facts
That is exactly what you're doing here lol.
“你想相信什么就相信什么，但你不能否认事实”
你不觉得这句话正说的是你自己吗，哈哈。
ClownfishSoup
Dang, that battle was 17 years ago. We (US) really need to stop being at war.
该死，那场战斗已经是17年前的事了。我们(美国)真的需要停止战争。
Dang, that battle was 17 years ago. We (US) really need to stop being at war.
该死，那场战斗已经是17年前的事了。我们(美国)真的需要停止战争。
Exasperated_Potatoe
You kind of are. You are out of Iraq and Afghanistan at scale now.
20 years of fighting. Hard to say what it achieved?
你是对的。现在国家已经从伊拉克和阿富汗大规模撤军了。
20年的战斗。很难说我们取得了什么成就？
You kind of are. You are out of Iraq and Afghanistan at scale now.
20 years of fighting. Hard to say what it achieved?
你是对的。现在国家已经从伊拉克和阿富汗大规模撤军了。
20年的战斗。很难说我们取得了什么成就？
King-of-Plebs
Journalists are not allowed to follow combat troops really that much anymore. After Vietnam when journalists used to go in and show the world the horror of war, the US government decided they wouldn’t let that happen anymore. If it wasn’t for seeing the images we saw in Vietnam, we probably wouldn’t of had the same anti-war response domestically.
记者不再被允许过多地跟踪拍摄作战部队。当记者们向世界展示越南战争的恐怖后，美国政府决定不再让这种事情发生。如果公众看到了现代战争的画面，国内可能会产生与越战时期相同的反战浪潮。
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Journalists are not allowed to follow combat troops really that much anymore. After Vietnam when journalists used to go in and show the world the horror of war, the US government decided they wouldn’t let that happen anymore. If it wasn’t for seeing the images we saw in Vietnam, we probably wouldn’t of had the same anti-war response domestically.
记者不再被允许过多地跟踪拍摄作战部队。当记者们向世界展示越南战争的恐怖后，美国政府决定不再让这种事情发生。如果公众看到了现代战争的画面，国内可能会产生与越战时期相同的反战浪潮。
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Themistocles13
What are you talking about, there were tons of embedded reporters in both Iraq and Afghanistan.
你在说什么，现在伊拉克和阿富汗依然有很多战地记者。
What are you talking about, there were tons of embedded reporters in both Iraq and Afghanistan.
你在说什么，现在伊拉克和阿富汗依然有很多战地记者。
King-of-Plebs
“When the Vietnam War was over, the Pentagon decided that there had been too much negative reporting from the war zone and that it would limit journalists’ access to battlefields. Handouts about what had happened would be prepared by public affairs staff, and officers, called “minders,” would go along with correspondents to supervise their movements and the information they got. A colleague told me that in Iraq, he wasn’t permitted to speak with local people. It’s still possible to find out what’s actually going on under these restrictive conditions, but it’s harder and takes more time.”
“Many within the US Government and elsewhere would blame the media for the American failure in Vietnam, claiming that media focus on atrocities, the horrors of combat and the impact on soldiers damaged morale and eliminated support for the war at home.[9] Unlike in older conflicts, where Allied journalism was almost universally supportive of the war effort, journalists in the Vietnam theater were often harshly critical of the US military, and painted a very bleak picture of the war.[7] In an era where the media was already playing a significant role in domestic events such as the Civil Rights Movement, war correspondence in Vietnam would have a major impact on the American political scene. Some have argued that the conduct of war correspondents in Vietnam is to blame for the tightening of restrictions on journalists by the US in wars that followed, including the Persian Gulf war and the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.[6]”
That’s what I’m talking about
越南战争结束后，五角大楼认为来自战区的负面报道太多了，因此限制记者进入战场。
被称为“陪同人员”的官员将与记者一起，监督他们的行动和获取的信息。一位同事告诉我，在伊拉克，他不被允许与当地人交谈。在这些限制性条件下，我们仍然有可能挖掘出一些信息，但这更困难，需要更多时间。”
美国政府内部和其他许多人，会将美国在越南的失败归咎于媒体，声称媒体关注的是暴行、战争的恐怖和对士兵的影响，破坏了士气，瓦解了国内对战争的支持。
在过去的战争中，新闻几乎都是支持战争的正面宣传，但越南战场上的记者经常严厉地批评美国军队，并描绘了一幅非常惨淡的战争画面，为国内民权运动等事件的兴起发挥重要作用。
越南战争的新闻报道对美国政治产生了重大影响。一些人认为，美国在随后的战争中收紧了对记者的限制，包括海湾战争、伊拉克和阿富汗战争，都源于战地记者对越南战争的新闻报道。
“When the Vietnam War was over, the Pentagon decided that there had been too much negative reporting from the war zone and that it would limit journalists’ access to battlefields. Handouts about what had happened would be prepared by public affairs staff, and officers, called “minders,” would go along with correspondents to supervise their movements and the information they got. A colleague told me that in Iraq, he wasn’t permitted to speak with local people. It’s still possible to find out what’s actually going on under these restrictive conditions, but it’s harder and takes more time.”
“Many within the US Government and elsewhere would blame the media for the American failure in Vietnam, claiming that media focus on atrocities, the horrors of combat and the impact on soldiers damaged morale and eliminated support for the war at home.[9] Unlike in older conflicts, where Allied journalism was almost universally supportive of the war effort, journalists in the Vietnam theater were often harshly critical of the US military, and painted a very bleak picture of the war.[7] In an era where the media was already playing a significant role in domestic events such as the Civil Rights Movement, war correspondence in Vietnam would have a major impact on the American political scene. Some have argued that the conduct of war correspondents in Vietnam is to blame for the tightening of restrictions on journalists by the US in wars that followed, including the Persian Gulf war and the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.[6]”
That’s what I’m talking about
越南战争结束后，五角大楼认为来自战区的负面报道太多了，因此限制记者进入战场。
被称为“陪同人员”的官员将与记者一起，监督他们的行动和获取的信息。一位同事告诉我，在伊拉克，他不被允许与当地人交谈。在这些限制性条件下，我们仍然有可能挖掘出一些信息，但这更困难，需要更多时间。”
美国政府内部和其他许多人，会将美国在越南的失败归咎于媒体，声称媒体关注的是暴行、战争的恐怖和对士兵的影响，破坏了士气，瓦解了国内对战争的支持。
在过去的战争中，新闻几乎都是支持战争的正面宣传，但越南战场上的记者经常严厉地批评美国军队，并描绘了一幅非常惨淡的战争画面，为国内民权运动等事件的兴起发挥重要作用。
越南战争的新闻报道对美国政治产生了重大影响。一些人认为，美国在随后的战争中收紧了对记者的限制，包括海湾战争、伊拉克和阿富汗战争，都源于战地记者对越南战争的新闻报道。
AtmicPikkle
I'm an american. Currently going through middle school, and they don't teach us war at all anymore. Besides pieces of wwII and the fact that wwI happened, we are learning absolutely nothing about the conflicts we've been involved in. What's the point if we don't learn from it?
我是美国人。现在正在读中学，他们再也不教我们战争方面的历史了。除了二战和一战发生的历史，我们对我们当前所卷入的冲突一无所知。如果我们不从中吸取教训又有什么意义呢？
I'm an american. Currently going through middle school, and they don't teach us war at all anymore. Besides pieces of wwII and the fact that wwI happened, we are learning absolutely nothing about the conflicts we've been involved in. What's the point if we don't learn from it?
我是美国人。现在正在读中学，他们再也不教我们战争方面的历史了。除了二战和一战发生的历史，我们对我们当前所卷入的冲突一无所知。如果我们不从中吸取教训又有什么意义呢？
WolvenHunter1
Except World War One, they will never talk about it in depth
除了第一次世界大战，他们永远不会深入讨论其他战争。
Except World War One, they will never talk about it in depth
除了第一次世界大战，他们永远不会深入讨论其他战争。
Maddchar
Funny, in middle school Canada, they go on about WW1 at length.
有趣的是，在加拿大中学，他们长篇大论地讲着第一次世界大战。
Funny, in middle school Canada, they go on about WW1 at length.
有趣的是，在加拿大中学，他们长篇大论地讲着第一次世界大战。
BigHmmEnergy
WW1 is a way bigger deal for Canada than the US. The US had already been around for 150 years and conquered a lot of new territory but WW1 was Canada’s first chance to prove itself on the world stage as its own country. WW1 was the first war where Canadian troops fought as their own army instead of just part of the British army. Canada’s performance in the war gave a lot of Canadians and Brits confidence that Canada could handle itself.
Also, Canada joined the war on the same day Britain did, while the US joined 3 years later when things were wrapping up.
第一次世界大战对加拿大重要的多。那时美国已经建国150年了，并征服了许多新的领土，但第一次世界大战是加拿大在世界舞台上证明自己国家存在的机会。
第一次世界大战也是加拿大第一次以自己的名义，而不是英国军队的一部分参战的战争。
加拿大在战争中的表现给了很多加拿大人和英国人信心，认为加拿大能够处理好自己的问题。
此外，加拿大在英国加入战争的同一天加入了这场战争，而美国在3年后一战接近尾声时加入了这场战争。
WW1 is a way bigger deal for Canada than the US. The US had already been around for 150 years and conquered a lot of new territory but WW1 was Canada’s first chance to prove itself on the world stage as its own country. WW1 was the first war where Canadian troops fought as their own army instead of just part of the British army. Canada’s performance in the war gave a lot of Canadians and Brits confidence that Canada could handle itself.
Also, Canada joined the war on the same day Britain did, while the US joined 3 years later when things were wrapping up.
第一次世界大战对加拿大重要的多。那时美国已经建国150年了，并征服了许多新的领土，但第一次世界大战是加拿大在世界舞台上证明自己国家存在的机会。
第一次世界大战也是加拿大第一次以自己的名义，而不是英国军队的一部分参战的战争。
加拿大在战争中的表现给了很多加拿大人和英国人信心，认为加拿大能够处理好自己的问题。
此外，加拿大在英国加入战争的同一天加入了这场战争，而美国在3年后一战接近尾声时加入了这场战争。
kommissarbanx
high school US history was just for learning about industrialization and Carnegie’s Steel monopoly.
高中的美国历史只是着重学习工业化史和卡内基的钢铁垄断历史。
high school US history was just for learning about industrialization and Carnegie’s Steel monopoly.
高中的美国历史只是着重学习工业化史和卡内基的钢铁垄断历史。
DutchStonkMan
Ya it seems like the education system has really fallen. I was in the gifted program in Canada as a child and we learned about the Roman conflicts, medi wars, the world wars and more current conflicts. Also age of empires was the best history game ever.
是啊，看起来教育系统真的退步了。我小时候参加了加拿大的儿童历史教育项目，我们了解了罗马冲突、中世纪战争、世界大战和更多的现代冲突。《帝国时代》也是有史以来最棒的历史游戏。
Ya it seems like the education system has really fallen. I was in the gifted program in Canada as a child and we learned about the Roman conflicts, medi wars, the world wars and more current conflicts. Also age of empires was the best history game ever.
是啊，看起来教育系统真的退步了。我小时候参加了加拿大的儿童历史教育项目，我们了解了罗马冲突、中世纪战争、世界大战和更多的现代冲突。《帝国时代》也是有史以来最棒的历史游戏。
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