网友讨论:印度北阿坎德邦,一名达利特厨师由于高种姓学生拒绝吃她做的饭而被解雇
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A Dalit woman who served mid-day meal at a government secondary school in Uttarakhand's Champawat district was allegedly removed from her job after upper caste students refused to eat the meal cooked by her.
据报道,在北阿坎德邦尚帕瓦特县的一所公立中学,一名达利特女子为学生们烹制午餐,由于高种姓学生拒绝吃她做的饭,她被解雇了。
据报道,在北阿坎德邦尚帕瓦特县的一所公立中学,一名达利特女子为学生们烹制午餐,由于高种姓学生拒绝吃她做的饭,她被解雇了。
The incident occurred at a school in Sukhidhang in Champawat district. A day after her appointment as the 'Bhojanmata' earlier this month, students stopped eating the meal cooked by her because of her caste and began bringing their food from home in tiffin boxes. Reportedly, out of 66 students in the school 40 had refused to eat the meal prepared by her.
事件发生在北阿坎德邦尚帕瓦特区苏希杭的一所学校。本月早些时候,在她被任命为“Bhojanmata”的一天后,由于她的种姓,学生们不再吃她做的饭,而是开始用餐盒从家里带饭。据报道,该校66名学生中有40人拒绝吃她做的饭菜。
事件发生在北阿坎德邦尚帕瓦特区苏希杭的一所学校。本月早些时候,在她被任命为“Bhojanmata”的一天后,由于她的种姓,学生们不再吃她做的饭,而是开始用餐盒从家里带饭。据报道,该校66名学生中有40人拒绝吃她做的饭菜。
Even the parents of the students obxted to her appointment as 'Bhojanmata' when an upper caste woman had also been interviewed for the job.
当一名高种姓女性也参加了这份工作的面试,就连这些学生的父母也反对她被任命为“Bhojanmata”。
当一名高种姓女性也参加了这份工作的面试,就连这些学生的父母也反对她被任命为“Bhojanmata”。
However, Chief Education Officer of Champawat R.C. Purohit said her appointment had been cancelled as it was found that the norms had not been followed in her appointment.
然而,champaat的首席教育官R.C. Purohit说,她的任命已经被取消,因为发现她的任命没有遵守规范。
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然而,champaat的首席教育官R.C. Purohit说,她的任命已经被取消,因为发现她的任命没有遵守规范。
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Kay Nathan
Regardless of the reason for the removal of that lady from the school, the fact that some of the so-called "upper caste" students refused to eat food cooked by a so-considered 'lower caste' person, is an obnoxious depravity in itself - and what makes this odious behaviour even worse is that the parents of those students have encouraged this utterly wretched and dehumanising discrimination.
不管那位女士被学校开除的原因是什么,事实上,一些所谓的“高种姓”学生拒绝吃所谓的“低种姓”人做的食物,这本身就是一种令人厌恶的堕落——而让这种令人厌恶的行为变得更糟的是,这些学生的父母鼓励了这种完全糟糕和不人道的歧视。
Regardless of the reason for the removal of that lady from the school, the fact that some of the so-called "upper caste" students refused to eat food cooked by a so-considered 'lower caste' person, is an obnoxious depravity in itself - and what makes this odious behaviour even worse is that the parents of those students have encouraged this utterly wretched and dehumanising discrimination.
不管那位女士被学校开除的原因是什么,事实上,一些所谓的“高种姓”学生拒绝吃所谓的“低种姓”人做的食物,这本身就是一种令人厌恶的堕落——而让这种令人厌恶的行为变得更糟的是,这些学生的父母鼓励了这种完全糟糕和不人道的歧视。
misundrstd
> behaviour even worse is that the parents of those students have encouraged this
you are putting words in someone's mouth here. where does the article state what you speculate above?
你是在替别人说话。这篇文章哪里有你上面的推论?
> behaviour even worse is that the parents of those students have encouraged this
you are putting words in someone's mouth here. where does the article state what you speculate above?
你是在替别人说话。这篇文章哪里有你上面的推论?
Kay Nathan
... students stopped eating the meal cooked by her because of her caste and began bringing their food from home in tiffin boxes.
Of course, unless they're cooking and packing their lunches themselves.
……当然,除非他们自己做饭并打包。
... students stopped eating the meal cooked by her because of her caste and began bringing their food from home in tiffin boxes.
Of course, unless they're cooking and packing their lunches themselves.
……当然,除非他们自己做饭并打包。
Hariharan Pv
When will India get rid of these meaningless, dehumanized ethos, with so-called Upper caste and other connected groups ruling like 2,500 yrs old civilization?
印度什么时候才能摆脱这些毫无意义的、非人化的风气,以及所谓的高种姓和其他统治这个古老文明长达2500年的相关群体?
When will India get rid of these meaningless, dehumanized ethos, with so-called Upper caste and other connected groups ruling like 2,500 yrs old civilization?
印度什么时候才能摆脱这些毫无意义的、非人化的风气,以及所谓的高种姓和其他统治这个古老文明长达2500年的相关群体?
S Subramanian
Teachers should correct the students. They should not be allowed to break the National Pledge.
老师应该纠正学生。不应允许他们违背国家的承诺。
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Teachers should correct the students. They should not be allowed to break the National Pledge.
老师应该纠正学生。不应允许他们违背国家的承诺。
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Kay Nathan
Sir,
Just imagine the situation: the students at school receive from their teachers an instruction which is exactly the opposite of the values that their parents believe, and indeed inculcate in them when at home. What chance, sir, does the noble idea of brotherhood, especially when preached by 'merely' a school teacher, stand when the malevolent and hideous "caste" system is assiduously preserved and influentially preached through the regular practice of by their own 'god-like' parents??
先生,
想象一下这样的情况:学生在学校里从他们的老师那里得到的教导与他们的父母所相信的价值观完全相反,实际上,当他们在家时,他们的父母会反复给他们灌输。先生,当邪恶而丑恶的“种姓”制度被他们“神一般”的父母通过日常实践孜孜不恭地维护和有力地宣扬,而这种崇高的兄弟情谊却“仅仅”由一位学校教师教导,这种情谊还有什么可能持续存在呢?
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Sir,
Just imagine the situation: the students at school receive from their teachers an instruction which is exactly the opposite of the values that their parents believe, and indeed inculcate in them when at home. What chance, sir, does the noble idea of brotherhood, especially when preached by 'merely' a school teacher, stand when the malevolent and hideous "caste" system is assiduously preserved and influentially preached through the regular practice of by their own 'god-like' parents??
先生,
想象一下这样的情况:学生在学校里从他们的老师那里得到的教导与他们的父母所相信的价值观完全相反,实际上,当他们在家时,他们的父母会反复给他们灌输。先生,当邪恶而丑恶的“种姓”制度被他们“神一般”的父母通过日常实践孜孜不恭地维护和有力地宣扬,而这种崇高的兄弟情谊却“仅仅”由一位学校教师教导,这种情谊还有什么可能持续存在呢?
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Asit
Are we living in 22nd century or media society ? What an insult to a human being. And what we are teaching our descendants ? It is totally unacceptable. School and government should take proper measure so that this do not happen again.
我们是生活在22世纪还是中世纪社会?这是对人类的侮辱。我们在教导我们的后代什么呢?这是完全不可接受的。学校和政府应该采取适当的措施,不应该让这样的事情再次发生。
Are we living in 22nd century or media society ? What an insult to a human being. And what we are teaching our descendants ? It is totally unacceptable. School and government should take proper measure so that this do not happen again.
我们是生活在22世纪还是中世纪社会?这是对人类的侮辱。我们在教导我们的后代什么呢?这是完全不可接受的。学校和政府应该采取适当的措施,不应该让这样的事情再次发生。
Rabindra+Nath Roy
Here we Indian are who preach to the world and practice untouchability at home. One must recollect Mahatma Gandhi's taking a Dalit Family in his Sabarmati and thereafter the businessmen around stopped donation to the Ashram and Ashram when about to come to a halt, Mahatma Decided to move to the Dalit Basti from where the Dalit family had come when this was known to the people someone without letting people know started donating and Ashram kept on moving. Compromise with principals was not in his blood. But the same country is now practicing what Mahatma fought against.
我们印度人一边指点全世界,一边在国内实行贱民制度。人们一定还记得,圣雄甘地在他的萨巴尔马蒂修行所收留了一个达利特家庭,此后,周围的商人停止了向这个修行所进行捐赠,当修行所即将停止运转时,圣雄甘地决定从这个达利特家族来的地方搬到达利特巴斯提,当时人们知道了这件事,一位匿名人士开始捐款,修行所继续运转。他天生就不会和种姓身份妥协。但这个国家现在却在践行圣雄所反对的东西。
Here we Indian are who preach to the world and practice untouchability at home. One must recollect Mahatma Gandhi's taking a Dalit Family in his Sabarmati and thereafter the businessmen around stopped donation to the Ashram and Ashram when about to come to a halt, Mahatma Decided to move to the Dalit Basti from where the Dalit family had come when this was known to the people someone without letting people know started donating and Ashram kept on moving. Compromise with principals was not in his blood. But the same country is now practicing what Mahatma fought against.
我们印度人一边指点全世界,一边在国内实行贱民制度。人们一定还记得,圣雄甘地在他的萨巴尔马蒂修行所收留了一个达利特家庭,此后,周围的商人停止了向这个修行所进行捐赠,当修行所即将停止运转时,圣雄甘地决定从这个达利特家族来的地方搬到达利特巴斯提,当时人们知道了这件事,一位匿名人士开始捐款,修行所继续运转。他天生就不会和种姓身份妥协。但这个国家现在却在践行圣雄所反对的东西。
Yogesh
I m not sure what syllabus and values are being teacher and preached in school these days.
I think, with this rudimentary mindset - our nation future and prospects gets doomed.
我不知道最近学校里的老师和老师所宣扬的教学大纲和价值观是什么。
我认为,有了这种基本的心态,我们国家的未来和前景就注定无望。
I m not sure what syllabus and values are being teacher and preached in school these days.
I think, with this rudimentary mindset - our nation future and prospects gets doomed.
我不知道最近学校里的老师和老师所宣扬的教学大纲和价值观是什么。
我认为,有了这种基本的心态,我们国家的未来和前景就注定无望。
Aneesh Menon
Present day castes all were separate sects, just like sects in any religion in the world. Westerners simply called the whole subcontinent as "Hindus", everyone went along with it and the so called upper castes enjoys the dominance
今天的种姓都是独立的流派,就像世界上任何宗教的流派一样。西方人简单地称整个次大陆为“印度教徒”,每个人都随声附和,所谓的高种姓享有统治地位。
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Present day castes all were separate sects, just like sects in any religion in the world. Westerners simply called the whole subcontinent as "Hindus", everyone went along with it and the so called upper castes enjoys the dominance
今天的种姓都是独立的流派,就像世界上任何宗教的流派一样。西方人简单地称整个次大陆为“印度教徒”,每个人都随声附和,所谓的高种姓享有统治地位。
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Sukant
Indian society is sinking fast
印度社会正在迅速堕落。
Indian society is sinking fast
印度社会正在迅速堕落。
Wasim
Disrespect and Humiliation. Even after learning the deeds of students, that lady was removed and students were not given lesson on humanity and moral values. What a shame for everyone. Incidents of these kind will keep happening until people like the higher authority of this school will b on that position. Her sextion wasn't considered cancelled until the upper caste students stopped eating. That's the unfortunate state of our beautiful country ruined by these so called educated but hollow from the concept of humanity and moral values people.
这是不尊重和羞辱。即便在了解到这些学生们的行为后,那位女士也被赶走了,也没有对学生们进行有关人道主义和道德价值的教育。这真是每个人的耻辱。这类事件还会继续发生,除非有人,比如这所学校的高层领导落到那个境地。直到高种姓学生停止吃饭,她的任命才被取消。这就是我们美丽国家的不幸状况,被这些所谓受过教育却缺乏人性和道德价值观的人所破坏。
Disrespect and Humiliation. Even after learning the deeds of students, that lady was removed and students were not given lesson on humanity and moral values. What a shame for everyone. Incidents of these kind will keep happening until people like the higher authority of this school will b on that position. Her sextion wasn't considered cancelled until the upper caste students stopped eating. That's the unfortunate state of our beautiful country ruined by these so called educated but hollow from the concept of humanity and moral values people.
这是不尊重和羞辱。即便在了解到这些学生们的行为后,那位女士也被赶走了,也没有对学生们进行有关人道主义和道德价值的教育。这真是每个人的耻辱。这类事件还会继续发生,除非有人,比如这所学校的高层领导落到那个境地。直到高种姓学生停止吃饭,她的任命才被取消。这就是我们美丽国家的不幸状况,被这些所谓受过教育却缺乏人性和道德价值观的人所破坏。
GS Krishna
40 out of 66 students of Indian education system run based on the so called modern educational values of equality opposing a cook and depriving her of livelihood along with officials later cancelling her appointment on "procedural reasons" is just so pathetic that we can't help feel a tinge of regret and feel sorry for the women who is facing such issues in thia day and age especially in a school that is supposed to make students think and develop.
Saddest thing is that this line of thinking is not among the previous generation but the next generation, that too children which makes future potentially more divisive.
66名学生中竟然有40名,印度的教育制度以所谓的现代平等教育价值观为基础,却在压迫一位厨子,并且让她失去生计,官员们稍后根据“程序原因”取消了她的任命,这真是太可悲了,我们不禁感到一丝遗憾,为那些在这个时代面临这些问题的女性感到遗憾,尤其是在一个本应让学生思考和发展的学校里。
最悲哀的是,这种想法不是上一代人的想法,而是下一代的想法,这些孩子也使得印度的未来可能更加分裂。
40 out of 66 students of Indian education system run based on the so called modern educational values of equality opposing a cook and depriving her of livelihood along with officials later cancelling her appointment on "procedural reasons" is just so pathetic that we can't help feel a tinge of regret and feel sorry for the women who is facing such issues in thia day and age especially in a school that is supposed to make students think and develop.
Saddest thing is that this line of thinking is not among the previous generation but the next generation, that too children which makes future potentially more divisive.
66名学生中竟然有40名,印度的教育制度以所谓的现代平等教育价值观为基础,却在压迫一位厨子,并且让她失去生计,官员们稍后根据“程序原因”取消了她的任命,这真是太可悲了,我们不禁感到一丝遗憾,为那些在这个时代面临这些问题的女性感到遗憾,尤其是在一个本应让学生思考和发展的学校里。
最悲哀的是,这种想法不是上一代人的想法,而是下一代的想法,这些孩子也使得印度的未来可能更加分裂。
Sooraj Ramankutty
It just says to me that caste issue wouldn't spare the next generation.
这件事只能告诉我,种姓制度不会放过下一代。
It just says to me that caste issue wouldn't spare the next generation.
这件事只能告诉我,种姓制度不会放过下一代。
Khursheed
What is even more painfully appalling is that this madness is happening in a centre of learning! Totally unconscionable!
更令人痛心的是,这种疯狂的行为竟然发生在一个学习中心!完全不合理的!
What is even more painfully appalling is that this madness is happening in a centre of learning! Totally unconscionable!
更令人痛心的是,这种疯狂的行为竟然发生在一个学习中心!完全不合理的!
Kay Nathan
The photo here begs asking the question whether the man who seems to celebrate "Nari Shakti" is aware of this horrific treatment meted out to that poor (and defenceless-by-caste) lady and if he is likely to do anything about it.
这张照片让人不禁要问,这个似乎在庆祝“Nari Shakti”的男人,是否意识到这个可怜的(没有种姓的保护)女人所遭受的可怕待遇,以及他是否有可能为此做些什么。
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The photo here begs asking the question whether the man who seems to celebrate "Nari Shakti" is aware of this horrific treatment meted out to that poor (and defenceless-by-caste) lady and if he is likely to do anything about it.
这张照片让人不禁要问,这个似乎在庆祝“Nari Shakti”的男人,是否意识到这个可怜的(没有种姓的保护)女人所遭受的可怕待遇,以及他是否有可能为此做些什么。
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Helraiser Lastdaysofhell
Caste system will die in pandemic situation, global warming and climate change situations as lots of upper caste people suffered and were helpless.
种姓制度将在大流行、全球变暖和气候变化的情况下消亡,因为许多高种姓的人遭受了痛苦,而且无人帮助。
Caste system will die in pandemic situation, global warming and climate change situations as lots of upper caste people suffered and were helpless.
种姓制度将在大流行、全球变暖和气候变化的情况下消亡,因为许多高种姓的人遭受了痛苦,而且无人帮助。
Indian
Its a tragedy actually that these 40 (and may be more) are being groomed by school and families in a backward approach !!
这40个学生(可能更多)正在被学校和家庭用一种落后的方式培育,真是悲剧!!
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Its a tragedy actually that these 40 (and may be more) are being groomed by school and families in a backward approach !!
这40个学生(可能更多)正在被学校和家庭用一种落后的方式培育,真是悲剧!!
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Sooraj Ramankutty
What's wrong with you buddy? Open up your eyes. If Indians are discriminated on the basis of caste regardless of their religion you have to raise your voice. Caste/religion is the first barrier that we all have to break for the prosperity of this great nation.
你们怎么了,伙计?睁开你们的眼睛。如果印度人因种姓而受到歧视,不管他们的宗教是什么,你都必须大声疾呼。为了这个伟大国家的繁荣,种姓/宗教是我们必须打破的第一个障碍。
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What's wrong with you buddy? Open up your eyes. If Indians are discriminated on the basis of caste regardless of their religion you have to raise your voice. Caste/religion is the first barrier that we all have to break for the prosperity of this great nation.
你们怎么了,伙计?睁开你们的眼睛。如果印度人因种姓而受到歧视,不管他们的宗教是什么,你都必须大声疾呼。为了这个伟大国家的繁荣,种姓/宗教是我们必须打破的第一个障碍。
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Simple_Person_92
Yeah read this in many news outlets.
是的,在很多新闻媒体上都看到过这件事。
Yeah read this in many news outlets.
是的,在很多新闻媒体上都看到过这件事。
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achauhan01
Side note : Cooks can be changed.its not permanent job. the cooks that are hired (on temp/adhoc basis) may not be all upper castes and similarly may not have been sacked for the mentioned reason.
边注:厨师是可以更换的。这不是一份永久的工作。被雇佣(临时安排的)的厨师可能不全是高种姓,同样也可能不是因为上述原因而被解雇的。
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achauhan01
Side note : Cooks can be changed.its not permanent job. the cooks that are hired (on temp/adhoc basis) may not be all upper castes and similarly may not have been sacked for the mentioned reason.
边注:厨师是可以更换的。这不是一份永久的工作。被雇佣(临时安排的)的厨师可能不全是高种姓,同样也可能不是因为上述原因而被解雇的。
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NeighborhoodGeneral8
Whatever happened is very saddening. I hoped it to be a false news but the words used by the President don't bring much confidence. He literally said Cook should be from upper cate because majority of students are from upper caste. This is very inhumane.
无论发生了什么,都非常的令人悲伤。我希望这是一个假消息,但总统使用的话都没有带来多少信心。
他说,这个厨子应该出身高种姓,因为大多数学生都出身高种姓。这种做法非常不人道。
Whatever happened is very saddening. I hoped it to be a false news but the words used by the President don't bring much confidence. He literally said Cook should be from upper cate because majority of students are from upper caste. This is very inhumane.
无论发生了什么,都非常的令人悲伤。我希望这是一个假消息,但总统使用的话都没有带来多少信心。
他说,这个厨子应该出身高种姓,因为大多数学生都出身高种姓。这种做法非常不人道。
nariusone
Wow .. how f**ked up a society has to be to have a formal system of discrimination. You don't even need to have a different skin color, or sexual orientation, or religion, or gender to be discriminated.
Basically you can be born discriminated FOR LIFE. This is as f**ked up as it can be.
哇……一个社会要糟糕到什么程度,才能堂而皇之的存在一种歧视制度。甚至不需要有不同的肤色、性取向、宗教或性别就会被遭到歧视。
基本上,你可能一生都会受到歧视。真是最他妈的糟透了。
Wow .. how f**ked up a society has to be to have a formal system of discrimination. You don't even need to have a different skin color, or sexual orientation, or religion, or gender to be discriminated.
Basically you can be born discriminated FOR LIFE. This is as f**ked up as it can be.
哇……一个社会要糟糕到什么程度,才能堂而皇之的存在一种歧视制度。甚至不需要有不同的肤色、性取向、宗教或性别就会被遭到歧视。
基本上,你可能一生都会受到歧视。真是最他妈的糟透了。
vinayd
I grew up with this. “They are Dalit because that is their fate. You are WRONG to try to improve their situation- it contravenes divine law.” Absolutely disgusting.
我就是伴随这样的制度长大的。“他们是达利特,因为这是他们的命运。想要改善他们的处境,你错了——这违反了神的法则。”绝对令人作呕。
I grew up with this. “They are Dalit because that is their fate. You are WRONG to try to improve their situation- it contravenes divine law.” Absolutely disgusting.
我就是伴随这样的制度长大的。“他们是达利特,因为这是他们的命运。想要改善他们的处境,你错了——这违反了神的法则。”绝对令人作呕。
Yuli-Ban
That's what always got me about this sort of stuff. I read a story once of a tale in India where a king took wealth away from a wealthy Dalit precisely because of their caste and because Dalits aren't supposed to be wealthy and successful, or something along those lines. I wish I could find that story again! Because it basically literally said that you're not allowed to rise above your station even by your own merits.
这就是为什么我总是对这类事情感兴趣。我曾经在印度读过一个故事,一个国王夺走一个富有的达利特的财富,原因正是因为他们的种姓,因为达利特不应该富有和成功,或类似的说法。我希望我能再找到那个故事!因为它基本上是说,超越你的地位是不被允许的,即使凭借你自己的功绩也不行。
That's what always got me about this sort of stuff. I read a story once of a tale in India where a king took wealth away from a wealthy Dalit precisely because of their caste and because Dalits aren't supposed to be wealthy and successful, or something along those lines. I wish I could find that story again! Because it basically literally said that you're not allowed to rise above your station even by your own merits.
这就是为什么我总是对这类事情感兴趣。我曾经在印度读过一个故事,一个国王夺走一个富有的达利特的财富,原因正是因为他们的种姓,因为达利特不应该富有和成功,或类似的说法。我希望我能再找到那个故事!因为它基本上是说,超越你的地位是不被允许的,即使凭借你自己的功绩也不行。
I'm one of those that posit that what was developing in the USA was a form of race-based caste, but outside the Black Wall Street bombing, it never fully had the chance to become the full thing. Castism is something else.
我和一些人一样,认为美国正在发展出一种基于种族的种姓制度,但除了华尔街黑人爆炸案,它从未有充分的机会发展完全。种姓主义是另一回事。
我和一些人一样,认为美国正在发展出一种基于种族的种姓制度,但除了华尔街黑人爆炸案,它从未有充分的机会发展完全。种姓主义是另一回事。
Coolerwookie
Why not just move to another area and claim to be some other caste?
为什么不搬到另一个地方,声称自己是其他种姓?
Why not just move to another area and claim to be some other caste?
为什么不搬到另一个地方,声称自己是其他种姓?
deeply__offensive
Indian upper class families keep a registry (yes) for that exactly, to prevent people from claiming they're not Dalit
正是为了防止有人声称自己不是达利特,印度上层阶级的家庭留着一份登记(是的)。
Indian upper class families keep a registry (yes) for that exactly, to prevent people from claiming they're not Dalit
正是为了防止有人声称自己不是达利特,印度上层阶级的家庭留着一份登记(是的)。
Cueller
I think you dont understand hoe bad the caste system is. Imagine being so poor you have never been to school, have literally no money and have spent all your life malnutritioned and starving. You literally have no frx of reference on how the upper castes live besides from movies. Its also culturally ingrained that the lower castes are worthless and upper castes are important. Its hard to even come up with an example but its like a poor Mexican illegal immigrant laborer who speaks no English trying to pass themselves off as a cape cod millionaire CEO. Its almost guarenteed that 99% of all indians you meet outside of india are in the top 10% of indians before they even board the plane.
我想你不了解种姓制度有多糟糕。想象一下,你很穷,从来没有上过学,几乎没有钱,一生都在营养不良和饥饿中度过。除了从电影里看到的东西,你对高种姓的生活没有任何的参照标准。低种姓毫无价值,高种姓很重要,这在文化上也是根深蒂固的。即便想打个比方都很难,但这就像一个不会说英语的贫穷的墨西哥非法移民劳工,试图假装自己是一个科德角的百万富翁CEO。几乎可以肯定的是,你在印度以外遇到的99%的印度人,在登上飞机之前就已经是最优秀的前10%的印度人了。
I think you dont understand hoe bad the caste system is. Imagine being so poor you have never been to school, have literally no money and have spent all your life malnutritioned and starving. You literally have no frx of reference on how the upper castes live besides from movies. Its also culturally ingrained that the lower castes are worthless and upper castes are important. Its hard to even come up with an example but its like a poor Mexican illegal immigrant laborer who speaks no English trying to pass themselves off as a cape cod millionaire CEO. Its almost guarenteed that 99% of all indians you meet outside of india are in the top 10% of indians before they even board the plane.
我想你不了解种姓制度有多糟糕。想象一下,你很穷,从来没有上过学,几乎没有钱,一生都在营养不良和饥饿中度过。除了从电影里看到的东西,你对高种姓的生活没有任何的参照标准。低种姓毫无价值,高种姓很重要,这在文化上也是根深蒂固的。即便想打个比方都很难,但这就像一个不会说英语的贫穷的墨西哥非法移民劳工,试图假装自己是一个科德角的百万富翁CEO。几乎可以肯定的是,你在印度以外遇到的99%的印度人,在登上飞机之前就已经是最优秀的前10%的印度人了。
If you are lucky and/or very smart of course you can trick or work your way out and they probably do, the other 99% have no hope besides their kids being born into horrific levels of poverty. It honestly is very sad.
如果你很幸运,和/或者非常聪明,你当然可以骗到人,或者找到出路,那些人可能就是这样做的,而其他99%的人没有任何希望,唯一的结果是他们的孩子将出生在可怕的贫困水平下。老实说,这很令人伤心。
如果你很幸运,和/或者非常聪明,你当然可以骗到人,或者找到出路,那些人可能就是这样做的,而其他99%的人没有任何希望,唯一的结果是他们的孩子将出生在可怕的贫困水平下。老实说,这很令人伤心。
Cadaver_Junkie
When I travelled to Nepal, Sri Lankan born guy I travelled with wore lots of gold and pretended to be high caste. It worked. So, yeah, why not?
当我去尼泊尔旅行时,和我一起旅行的斯里兰卡出生的家伙戴着很多金首饰,并假装自己是高种姓。这很管用。所以,为什么不这样做呢?
When I travelled to Nepal, Sri Lankan born guy I travelled with wore lots of gold and pretended to be high caste. It worked. So, yeah, why not?
当我去尼泊尔旅行时,和我一起旅行的斯里兰卡出生的家伙戴着很多金首饰,并假装自己是高种姓。这很管用。所以,为什么不这样做呢?
Coolerwookie
Yeah, fuck the higher caste, let them cook their food. Move elsewhere and get another job under a new name.
是啊,去他妈的高种姓,让他们自己做饭。搬到别处去,用新名字找一份新工作。
Yeah, fuck the higher caste, let them cook their food. Move elsewhere and get another job under a new name.
是啊,去他妈的高种姓,让他们自己做饭。搬到别处去,用新名字找一份新工作。
PokeEyeJai
You don't even need to have a different skin color
Most of the upper caste do having lighter skin tone and the lower caste having darker skin tone from toiling under the sun, so that is still a factor.
大多数高种姓的人确实肤色较浅,而低种姓的人由于在阳光下劳作而肤色较深,所以这仍然是一个因素。
You don't even need to have a different skin color
Most of the upper caste do having lighter skin tone and the lower caste having darker skin tone from toiling under the sun, so that is still a factor.
大多数高种姓的人确实肤色较浅,而低种姓的人由于在阳光下劳作而肤色较深,所以这仍然是一个因素。
godisanelectricolive
In South India that's less true. Upper caste people are often also dark but there's still a strong caste system.
在南印度,情况就不是这样了。高种姓的人通常也是深肤色,但仍然有一个强大的种姓制度。
In South India that's less true. Upper caste people are often also dark but there's still a strong caste system.
在南印度,情况就不是这样了。高种姓的人通常也是深肤色,但仍然有一个强大的种姓制度。
yoortyyo
Are there other real or arbitrary features people call out. “Oh my those people have giant pinky toes”.
还有没有其他真正或者武断的特征吗?“哎呀,那些人的小脚趾很大。”
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Are there other real or arbitrary features people call out. “Oh my those people have giant pinky toes”.
还有没有其他真正或者武断的特征吗?“哎呀,那些人的小脚趾很大。”
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OldMork
its very obvious in Singapore for example, the guys doing roadwork and empty garbage are from same country as the IT and banking people, but they never meet, they are from same country and still from different worlds.
以新加坡为例,(高低种姓的差异)很明显,修路和清理垃圾的人,与IT和银行业的人来自同一个国家,但他们从来没有见过面,他们来自同一个国家,仍然来自不同的世界。
its very obvious in Singapore for example, the guys doing roadwork and empty garbage are from same country as the IT and banking people, but they never meet, they are from same country and still from different worlds.
以新加坡为例,(高低种姓的差异)很明显,修路和清理垃圾的人,与IT和银行业的人来自同一个国家,但他们从来没有见过面,他们来自同一个国家,仍然来自不同的世界。
seattt
the guys doing roadwork and empty garbage are from same country as the IT and banking people, but they never meet
Do they ever twine in any country apart from rare instances? Most people's social circles are dictated by their socioeconomic status, this isn't unique to any particular group or country.
除了极少数情况外,任何国家的不同阶层有过交集吗?大多数人的社交圈是由他们的社会经济地位决定的,这不是任何特定的群体或国家所特有的。
the guys doing roadwork and empty garbage are from same country as the IT and banking people, but they never meet
Do they ever twine in any country apart from rare instances? Most people's social circles are dictated by their socioeconomic status, this isn't unique to any particular group or country.
除了极少数情况外,任何国家的不同阶层有过交集吗?大多数人的社交圈是由他们的社会经济地位决定的,这不是任何特定的群体或国家所特有的。
Swansborough
Most people's social circles are dictated by their socioeconomic status
Not true in any country with servants, cooks, maids, etc. Poor women (and men) work with the families closely. So yes they interact every day. I have some friends who work as maids, for very little pay, and they raise the children and live with the family.
但在任何有仆人、厨师、女仆等的国家都不是这样。贫穷的妇女(和男子)与其家人一起工作。所以,是的,他们每天都有互动。我有一些朋友是做女佣的,工资很低,她们抚养孩子,和家人住在一起。
Most people's social circles are dictated by their socioeconomic status
Not true in any country with servants, cooks, maids, etc. Poor women (and men) work with the families closely. So yes they interact every day. I have some friends who work as maids, for very little pay, and they raise the children and live with the family.
但在任何有仆人、厨师、女仆等的国家都不是这样。贫穷的妇女(和男子)与其家人一起工作。所以,是的,他们每天都有互动。我有一些朋友是做女佣的,工资很低,她们抚养孩子,和家人住在一起。
Many people don't get any days off and just work 7 days a week, in many countries. It's not only the caste system - many countries keep very poor servants working for the richer people. Note, this doesn't happen the same way, or as universally as it does in many countries. In some countries almost every well off family has servants. Either from poor people from that country, or brought from poor countries to work there in bad conditions.
在很多国家,很多人一天都不休息,一周工作7天。这不仅仅是种姓制度的问题——许多国家让非常贫穷的仆人为富人工作。请注意,这种情况的发生方式不同,也不像许多国家那样普遍。在有些国家,几乎每个富裕家庭都有仆人。要么是本国的穷人,要么是来自贫穷国家的人,在那里恶劣的条件下工作。
在很多国家,很多人一天都不休息,一周工作7天。这不仅仅是种姓制度的问题——许多国家让非常贫穷的仆人为富人工作。请注意,这种情况的发生方式不同,也不像许多国家那样普遍。在有些国家,几乎每个富裕家庭都有仆人。要么是本国的穷人,要么是来自贫穷国家的人,在那里恶劣的条件下工作。
bdog59600
Wanna know what's also fucked up? Even if it's not well enforced, India has laws on the books against caste discrimination and has slots reserved for the best lower caste students at top universities. But many Indians come to America for work and will discriminate based on caste within American companies and HR departments are not in the least equipped to understand or deal with it. Outside of standard harassment, it's not illegal.
想知道还有什么也很混乱吗?即使没有很好地执行,印度也有反对种姓歧视的法律,并在顶尖大学为最优秀的低种姓学生预留名额。但许多印度人来美国工作,在美国公司内部却会根据种姓进行歧视,而人力资源部门根本不具备理解或应对这种歧视的能力。除了标准的骚扰,这种歧视连违法都不算。
Wanna know what's also fucked up? Even if it's not well enforced, India has laws on the books against caste discrimination and has slots reserved for the best lower caste students at top universities. But many Indians come to America for work and will discriminate based on caste within American companies and HR departments are not in the least equipped to understand or deal with it. Outside of standard harassment, it's not illegal.
想知道还有什么也很混乱吗?即使没有很好地执行,印度也有反对种姓歧视的法律,并在顶尖大学为最优秀的低种姓学生预留名额。但许多印度人来美国工作,在美国公司内部却会根据种姓进行歧视,而人力资源部门根本不具备理解或应对这种歧视的能力。除了标准的骚扰,这种歧视连违法都不算。
baddestputa
https://www.npr.org/transcxts/923736245 Yeah they have brought that bullshit to silicon valley I wonder if they are discriminating against each other like this how horrible they must be to other minorities.
是的,他们把那些狗屁东西带到硅谷来了,我想知道如果他们像这样互相歧视,他们对其他少数民族该有多可怕。
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https://www.npr.org/transcxts/923736245 Yeah they have brought that bullshit to silicon valley I wonder if they are discriminating against each other like this how horrible they must be to other minorities.
是的,他们把那些狗屁东西带到硅谷来了,我想知道如果他们像这样互相歧视,他们对其他少数民族该有多可怕。
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Intrepid_Method_
To my knowledge it does exists. Especially because of some ignorance about the historical background of some groups.
据我所知,它确实存在。特别是因为一些人对一些群体的历史背景一无所知。
To my knowledge it does exists. Especially because of some ignorance about the historical background of some groups.
据我所知,它确实存在。特别是因为一些人对一些群体的历史背景一无所知。
Mass_Emu_Casualties
Wait til you learn about all the fucked up things Ghandi believed in. He was all about the caste systems.
等你了解一下甘地的那些狗屁信仰吧。他全心全意的搞种姓制度。
Wait til you learn about all the fucked up things Ghandi believed in. He was all about the caste systems.
等你了解一下甘地的那些狗屁信仰吧。他全心全意的搞种姓制度。
AshamedYoghurt5042
Religion.
宗教。
Religion.
宗教。
ctoldnes
Exactly like the USA then, where many States are issuing bills targeting black voters.
就像当时的美国,许多州都在发布针对黑人选民的法案。
Exactly like the USA then, where many States are issuing bills targeting black voters.
就像当时的美国,许多州都在发布针对黑人选民的法案。
mintoreos
It’s human nature. People discriminate each other based on what sports team you root for, your political party, your accent, the city you were born… etc
这是人的天性。人们会因为你支持的运动队、你的政党、你的口音、你出生的城市等等而相互歧视。
It’s human nature. People discriminate each other based on what sports team you root for, your political party, your accent, the city you were born… etc
这是人的天性。人们会因为你支持的运动队、你的政党、你的口音、你出生的城市等等而相互歧视。
jocksmells
Thinking Indian society is worse than western because they don’t take the additional steps to hide their discrimination like we in the west do - is a little too cute. Unfortunately it boils down to all of us being awful.
认为印度社会比西方社会更糟糕,因为他们不像我们西方人那样采取额外的步骤来掩盖歧视,这就有点太可爱了。不幸的是,归根到底我们所有人都很糟糕。
Thinking Indian society is worse than western because they don’t take the additional steps to hide their discrimination like we in the west do - is a little too cute. Unfortunately it boils down to all of us being awful.
认为印度社会比西方社会更糟糕,因为他们不像我们西方人那样采取额外的步骤来掩盖歧视,这就有点太可爱了。不幸的是,归根到底我们所有人都很糟糕。
stevestuc
The untouchables ( as they are called) can never rise above the level they were born into.To a devout Hindu even their shadow is offensive.They are not permitted to do certain things that higher casts do as it is seen as impudent and " above their station in life'. A groom riding a horse to his wedding risks being dragged off. Perhaps the right wing conservative Hindus will reintroduce the good old widow burning tradition ( when a higher cast man dies his wife would be tied up and put onto the funeral pyre and burned alive) During the British empire days the Brits banned it, but it was impossible to enforce.The Indian hierarchy said that it was interference in the traditions of the land.... the reply was...(+/-) if you insist on your traditions then we must be allowed to practice our traditions.... traditionally we hang murderers.
不可接触者(他们的叫法)永远无法超越他们出生时的水平。对虔诚的印度教徒来说,贱民就连碰到他们的影子都是冒犯。他们不被允许从事某些高种姓的工作,因为这被视为无礼和“高于他们的生活地位”。新郎骑着马去参加婚礼,都有被拖走的危险。也许右翼保守的印度教徒会重新引入古老的烧死寡妇的传统(当一个较高种姓的男人去世时,他的妻子会被绑起来放在火葬柴堆上活活烧死)。在大英帝国时期,英国人禁止了这种做法,但不可能得到执行。印度的等级制度认为这是对这片土地的传统的干涉……他们的回复多少是这样……如果你坚持你们的传统,那么我们必须被允许实践我们的传统……我们的传统是绞死杀人犯。
The untouchables ( as they are called) can never rise above the level they were born into.To a devout Hindu even their shadow is offensive.They are not permitted to do certain things that higher casts do as it is seen as impudent and " above their station in life'. A groom riding a horse to his wedding risks being dragged off. Perhaps the right wing conservative Hindus will reintroduce the good old widow burning tradition ( when a higher cast man dies his wife would be tied up and put onto the funeral pyre and burned alive) During the British empire days the Brits banned it, but it was impossible to enforce.The Indian hierarchy said that it was interference in the traditions of the land.... the reply was...(+/-) if you insist on your traditions then we must be allowed to practice our traditions.... traditionally we hang murderers.
不可接触者(他们的叫法)永远无法超越他们出生时的水平。对虔诚的印度教徒来说,贱民就连碰到他们的影子都是冒犯。他们不被允许从事某些高种姓的工作,因为这被视为无礼和“高于他们的生活地位”。新郎骑着马去参加婚礼,都有被拖走的危险。也许右翼保守的印度教徒会重新引入古老的烧死寡妇的传统(当一个较高种姓的男人去世时,他的妻子会被绑起来放在火葬柴堆上活活烧死)。在大英帝国时期,英国人禁止了这种做法,但不可能得到执行。印度的等级制度认为这是对这片土地的传统的干涉……他们的回复多少是这样……如果你坚持你们的传统,那么我们必须被允许实践我们的传统……我们的传统是绞死杀人犯。
Mattna-da
I am no expert on Indian society religion or history but I read something that pointed out that the caste system is literally based on melanin. Darker skinned people are in lower castes, lighter skinned people are in higher ones. The word caste is an anglicization from the Spanish casta colonial system like the one in Puerto Rico. The Sanskrit word for the system literally means color. Maybe someone with more knowledge can sort out the nuances.
我不是印度社会、宗教或历史方面的专家,但我读到一些文章指出,种姓制度实际上是基于黑肤色的。肤色较深的人属于低种姓,肤色较浅的人属于高种姓。“种姓”这个词是从西班牙的“种姓”殖民制度(如波多黎各)演变而来的。梵文中这个系统的字面意思是颜色。也许有了解更多的人能分辨出其中的细微差别。
I am no expert on Indian society religion or history but I read something that pointed out that the caste system is literally based on melanin. Darker skinned people are in lower castes, lighter skinned people are in higher ones. The word caste is an anglicization from the Spanish casta colonial system like the one in Puerto Rico. The Sanskrit word for the system literally means color. Maybe someone with more knowledge can sort out the nuances.
我不是印度社会、宗教或历史方面的专家,但我读到一些文章指出,种姓制度实际上是基于黑肤色的。肤色较深的人属于低种姓,肤色较浅的人属于高种姓。“种姓”这个词是从西班牙的“种姓”殖民制度(如波多黎各)演变而来的。梵文中这个系统的字面意思是颜色。也许有了解更多的人能分辨出其中的细微差别。
biifinbeedinbooding
Yes, in Sanskrit the word for caste in Varna which means colour.
However, most languages derived from Sanskrit have their own word for caste separate to the Sanskrit word. For example, in my language Sinhala, the word for caste is 'Kulaya' which didn't originate from the word for colour. The word Kulaya explicitly was invented to mean caste.
然而,大多数源自梵语的语言都有自己对应种姓的词汇,与那个梵语词不同。例如,在我的语言僧伽罗语中,种姓的意思是“Kulaya”,而“Kulaya”并非来源于“颜色”。“Kulaya”一词显然是发明出来指代种姓的。
Yes, in Sanskrit the word for caste in Varna which means colour.
However, most languages derived from Sanskrit have their own word for caste separate to the Sanskrit word. For example, in my language Sinhala, the word for caste is 'Kulaya' which didn't originate from the word for colour. The word Kulaya explicitly was invented to mean caste.
然而,大多数源自梵语的语言都有自己对应种姓的词汇,与那个梵语词不同。例如,在我的语言僧伽罗语中,种姓的意思是“Kulaya”,而“Kulaya”并非来源于“颜色”。“Kulaya”一词显然是发明出来指代种姓的。
This lix has alot of information about the caste system.
https://www.clearias.com/caste-system-in-india/
In Sri Lanka, we have a caste system separate from that in India. However it is not as crazy as that of India and caste mainly comes into place in arranged marriages which are getting rarer.
这个链接有很多关于种姓制度的信息。
斯里兰卡,我们有一个与印度不同的种姓制度。然而,它不像印度的那样疯狂,而且种姓主要发生在包办婚姻方面,而且越来越少。
https://www.clearias.com/caste-system-in-india/
In Sri Lanka, we have a caste system separate from that in India. However it is not as crazy as that of India and caste mainly comes into place in arranged marriages which are getting rarer.
这个链接有很多关于种姓制度的信息。
斯里兰卡,我们有一个与印度不同的种姓制度。然而,它不像印度的那样疯狂,而且种姓主要发生在包办婚姻方面,而且越来越少。
__tmk__
Starve the fuckers.
饿死那些混账。
Starve the fuckers.
饿死那些混账。
wclemo
But they are bringing their own food
但他们会自己带饭。
But they are bringing their own food
但他们会自己带饭。
caveofdeath
Fuck those parents, what a bunch of assholes
X那些父母,真是一群混账。
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Fuck those parents, what a bunch of assholes
X那些父母,真是一群混账。
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__tmk__
Caste system is just semi-legitimized prejudice. It needs to end.
种姓制度完全是半合法化的偏见。可以休矣。
Caste system is just semi-legitimized prejudice. It needs to end.
种姓制度完全是半合法化的偏见。可以休矣。
SEND-POLITICAL-NUDES
It's literally the Indian equivalent of Jim crow.
实际上是印度版的黑人歧视。
It's literally the Indian equivalent of Jim crow.
实际上是印度版的黑人歧视。
Zealousideal-Ad-5729
More like the equivalent of racism since this isn't any actual legislation just a backwards ass practice in Indian society.
这更像是种族主义,因为这不是任何实际的立法,只是印度社会的一种倒退行为。
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More like the equivalent of racism since this isn't any actual legislation just a backwards ass practice in Indian society.
这更像是种族主义,因为这不是任何实际的立法,只是印度社会的一种倒退行为。
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SEND-POLITICAL-NUDES
Jim crow was used to also refer to cultural practices but yes your point stands.
Jim crow(黑人的蔑称)也被用于指代一种文化行为,但你的观点没错。
Jim crow was used to also refer to cultural practices but yes your point stands.
Jim crow(黑人的蔑称)也被用于指代一种文化行为,但你的观点没错。
lotusflower64
Very sad. Poor woman, I know about the Dalits and how they are treated.
非常难过。可怜的女人,我知道贱民以及他们是如何被对待的。
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Very sad. Poor woman, I know about the Dalits and how they are treated.
非常难过。可怜的女人,我知道贱民以及他们是如何被对待的。
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mname
Just let the upper caste students go hungry. The problem solves itself. They die of starvation or they get over it...either way all good.
就让那些高种姓的学生饿死吧。问题自动解决了。他们要么饿死,要么忍着……不管怎样都好。
Just let the upper caste students go hungry. The problem solves itself. They die of starvation or they get over it...either way all good.
就让那些高种姓的学生饿死吧。问题自动解决了。他们要么饿死,要么忍着……不管怎样都好。
Apple1284
Caste system in India was created on the basis of most revered to least since 3000 years at least:
Priest Class (Brahmin)
Political/Warrior Class (Kshatriya)
White Collar Class - Farmers/Traders/Metal workers (Vaishyas)
Blue Collar Class - Unskilled Labor (Dalit/Shudar)
Foreigners (Maleech)
印度的种姓制度是建立这个基础,至少被无上尊崇了3000年:
牧师阶层(婆罗门)
政治/战士阶层(刹帝利)
白领阶层-农民/商人/金属工人(吠舍)
蓝领阶层-无技能劳动者(达利特/首陀罗)
外国人(Maleech)
Caste system in India was created on the basis of most revered to least since 3000 years at least:
Priest Class (Brahmin)
Political/Warrior Class (Kshatriya)
White Collar Class - Farmers/Traders/Metal workers (Vaishyas)
Blue Collar Class - Unskilled Labor (Dalit/Shudar)
Foreigners (Maleech)
印度的种姓制度是建立这个基础,至少被无上尊崇了3000年:
牧师阶层(婆罗门)
政治/战士阶层(刹帝利)
白领阶层-农民/商人/金属工人(吠舍)
蓝领阶层-无技能劳动者(达利特/首陀罗)
外国人(Maleech)
WorldlyNotice
Didn't know about that last one. Explains a lot.
我还不知道最后一个。说明了很多问题。
Didn't know about that last one. Explains a lot.
我还不知道最后一个。说明了很多问题。
Patient_Effective_49
Now THAT is privileged
真TM自命不凡。
Now THAT is privileged
真TM自命不凡。
O-j-O
Wrong, foreigners don’t fit in the caste system anywhere. Maleech simply means “dirty”, and no, foreigners are not considered dirty. This classification is applicable only to people who are born in the Hindu society. Now other religions such as Islam, Sikhs have their own versions of Dalits, and then the onus lies on those religions to not consider them Dalits because Hindus wouldn’t know who’s who and wouldn’t care, for them they would simply be Sikh, Christian, Muslim etc
错了,外国人在任何地方都不适应种姓制度。Maleech的意思是“肮脏的”,不,外国人不被认为是肮脏的。这种分类只适用于出生在印度教社会的人。其他宗教,比如伊斯兰教,锡克教也有自己版本的贱民,这些宗教有责任不把他们视为达利特,因为印度教徒不知道谁是谁,也不关心,对他们来说,他们只是锡克教徒、基督徒、穆斯林等。
Wrong, foreigners don’t fit in the caste system anywhere. Maleech simply means “dirty”, and no, foreigners are not considered dirty. This classification is applicable only to people who are born in the Hindu society. Now other religions such as Islam, Sikhs have their own versions of Dalits, and then the onus lies on those religions to not consider them Dalits because Hindus wouldn’t know who’s who and wouldn’t care, for them they would simply be Sikh, Christian, Muslim etc
错了,外国人在任何地方都不适应种姓制度。Maleech的意思是“肮脏的”,不,外国人不被认为是肮脏的。这种分类只适用于出生在印度教社会的人。其他宗教,比如伊斯兰教,锡克教也有自己版本的贱民,这些宗教有责任不把他们视为达利特,因为印度教徒不知道谁是谁,也不关心,对他们来说,他们只是锡克教徒、基督徒、穆斯林等。
RazingAll
I don't understand the caste system.
I don't understand why it's tolerated by Indians, or anyone else, for that matter. I don't understand how the "higher" castes haven't been strung up in the streets and flayed by the "lower" castes. I don't understand how India isn't ablaze with revolution every day this continues.
I just do not get it. I'm not even willing to make an effort. It's just too obviously wrong. You can't justify it, don't even try. I don't care how long it worked, so did slavery.
Fucking stop it, India. Grow up.
我不了解种姓制度。
就此而言,我不明白为什么印度人,或者其他任何人,会容忍这东西。我不明白为什么“高”种姓没有被吊在路灯上,被“低”种姓剥皮抽筋。我不明白印度为什么没有每天都发生革命。
我完全不明白。我也根本不想搞明白。这显然是错误的。无法为之辩护,试都别试。我不在乎它存续了多久,奴隶制也一样。
他妈的住手,印度。成熟点吧。
I don't understand the caste system.
I don't understand why it's tolerated by Indians, or anyone else, for that matter. I don't understand how the "higher" castes haven't been strung up in the streets and flayed by the "lower" castes. I don't understand how India isn't ablaze with revolution every day this continues.
I just do not get it. I'm not even willing to make an effort. It's just too obviously wrong. You can't justify it, don't even try. I don't care how long it worked, so did slavery.
Fucking stop it, India. Grow up.
我不了解种姓制度。
就此而言,我不明白为什么印度人,或者其他任何人,会容忍这东西。我不明白为什么“高”种姓没有被吊在路灯上,被“低”种姓剥皮抽筋。我不明白印度为什么没有每天都发生革命。
我完全不明白。我也根本不想搞明白。这显然是错误的。无法为之辩护,试都别试。我不在乎它存续了多久,奴隶制也一样。
他妈的住手,印度。成熟点吧。
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