“印度贱民厨师因学生拒绝吃她做的饭而遭到解雇”事件有了新说法
正文翻译
MSM published Uttarakhand students refused to eat food by dalit.Now official school letters reveal bhojan committee had sexted a homeless Brahmin woman seeing her poverty.Principal removed her & issued 2nd tender calling for exclusively SCSTOBC.Her rejection on caste basis led to parent's revolt
主流媒体报道了“北阿坎德邦学生拒绝吃贱民厨师做的食物”事件。现在，学校的官方信件显示，家长委员会曾选择了一位无家可归的婆罗门妇女担任这一职位，理由是“她很穷”。而该学校的校长将其免职，并发出第二次招标，提出该职位专属于低种姓人士。那位婆罗门女士因为自己的种姓而被拒绝录用，才引发了学生父母们（对贱民担任厨师）的反对。
MSM published Uttarakhand students refused to eat food by dalit.Now official school letters reveal bhojan committee had sexted a homeless Brahmin woman seeing her poverty.Principal removed her & issued 2nd tender calling for exclusively SCSTOBC.Her rejection on caste basis led to parent's revolt
主流媒体报道了“北阿坎德邦学生拒绝吃贱民厨师做的食物”事件。现在，学校的官方信件显示，家长委员会曾选择了一位无家可归的婆罗门妇女担任这一职位，理由是“她很穷”。而该学校的校长将其免职，并发出第二次招标，提出该职位专属于低种姓人士。那位婆罗门女士因为自己的种姓而被拒绝录用，才引发了学生父母们（对贱民担任厨师）的反对。
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ChirpingSparrows
Be skeptical. We have issues, but Hindu society isn't as evil as MSM makes it out to be.
表示怀疑。我们有问题，但印度教社会并不像主流媒体描述的那样邪恶。
Be skeptical. We have issues, but Hindu society isn't as evil as MSM makes it out to be.
表示怀疑。我们有问题，但印度教社会并不像主流媒体描述的那样邪恶。
dhatura
I am not a fan of MSM but we have caste issues, as many of us have personal experience with it.
我不是主流媒体的粉丝，但我们的确存在种姓问题，因为我们很多人都有亲身经历。
I am not a fan of MSM but we have caste issues, as many of us have personal experience with it.
我不是主流媒体的粉丝，但我们的确存在种姓问题，因为我们很多人都有亲身经历。
karnosaur
Many of us having experience with caste issues is a strawman argument here. Specific to the matter the protest was never about caste, it was made out to be.
“我们很多人对于种姓问题都有过经历”，这是一个自己树靶子自己打的论点。具体来说，这场抗议从来就不是关于种姓的，却被宣扬为种姓问题。
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Many of us having experience with caste issues is a strawman argument here. Specific to the matter the protest was never about caste, it was made out to be.
“我们很多人对于种姓问题都有过经历”，这是一个自己树靶子自己打的论点。具体来说，这场抗议从来就不是关于种姓的，却被宣扬为种姓问题。
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Prapancha
Caste issues cannot be dealt with by furthering misinformation. Misinformation only creates more discord between people.
进一步传播错误信息是无法解决种姓问题的。错误信息只会在人们之间制造更多的不和。
Caste issues cannot be dealt with by furthering misinformation. Misinformation only creates more discord between people.
进一步传播错误信息是无法解决种姓问题的。错误信息只会在人们之间制造更多的不和。
sri_mahalingam
In the recent Pew study, 80% of SC/ST/OBCs said they did not believe there was caste-based discrimination against them in India.
(And just to be clear, the remaining 20% are just wrong.)
根据最近的皮尤研究，80%的低种姓人士表示，他们不相信印度存在基于种姓的歧视。
(需要说明的是，剩下20%的人是错的。)
In the recent Pew study, 80% of SC/ST/OBCs said they did not believe there was caste-based discrimination against them in India.
(And just to be clear, the remaining 20% are just wrong.)
根据最近的皮尤研究，80%的低种姓人士表示，他们不相信印度存在基于种姓的歧视。
(需要说明的是，剩下20%的人是错的。)
Nickel_Monkey
Principal called for tender according to rules. He didn't have any personal grudge against that woman. These casteist people are using this as an excuse to not eat food cooked by Dalits.
校长按规定要求进行投标。他对那个女人没有任何个人恩怨。而这些种姓主义者以此为借口，不吃贱民人做的食物。
Principal called for tender according to rules. He didn't have any personal grudge against that woman. These casteist people are using this as an excuse to not eat food cooked by Dalits.
校长按规定要求进行投标。他对那个女人没有任何个人恩怨。而这些种姓主义者以此为借口，不吃贱民人做的食物。
ChirpingSparrows
What rule? Principal is now himself saying there is no rule for SC/ST reservation in that post. If you can't read Hindi, use google translate to read the article.
什么规定?这位校长现在自己都说，并没有规定说这个职位要预留给低种姓。如果你看不懂印地语，就用谷歌翻译来读文章。
What rule? Principal is now himself saying there is no rule for SC/ST reservation in that post. If you can't read Hindi, use google translate to read the article.
什么规定?这位校长现在自己都说，并没有规定说这个职位要预留给低种姓。如果你看不懂印地语，就用谷歌翻译来读文章。
Nickel_Monkey
If principal erred, why are you gunning for the Dalit cook's job?
如果这个校长搞错了，你为什么要针对那个贱民厨师的工作?
If principal erred, why are you gunning for the Dalit cook's job?
如果这个校长搞错了，你为什么要针对那个贱民厨师的工作?
ChirpingSparrows
Because they removed a destitute widow just on basis of her caste?
因为他们仅仅因为一个寡妇的种姓就把她赶走了吗?
Because they removed a destitute widow just on basis of her caste?
因为他们仅仅因为一个寡妇的种姓就把她赶走了吗?
Nickel_Monkey
Still not answering my question
依然没有回答我的问题。
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Still not answering my question
依然没有回答我的问题。
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ChirpingSparrows
I literally did
实际上我回答了。
I literally did
实际上我回答了。
BickKattowski
He did tho. Removing a poor destitute woman without any actual rule is absolutely wrong
但他这样做了。没有任何实际的规定，就把一个贫穷的女人赶走，这是绝对错误的。
He did tho. Removing a poor destitute woman without any actual rule is absolutely wrong
但他这样做了。没有任何实际的规定，就把一个贫穷的女人赶走，这是绝对错误的。
Ok_Entertainment1040
He did actually. But you don't seem to understand English may be.
实际上他做了。但你似乎不懂英文。
He did actually. But you don't seem to understand English may be.
实际上他做了。但你似乎不懂英文。
Openeyezz
Someone lost a job before this. What do you think of that
某人因为这个丢了工作。你怎么看？
Someone lost a job before this. What do you think of that
某人因为这个丢了工作。你怎么看？
Nickel_Monkey
Get her a job if she was removed illegally. If she was removed illegally, punish the headmaster. Why boycott the Dalit cook?
如果她被非法解雇，就给她找份工作。如果她被非法开除，就惩罚那个校长。为什么要抵制那个贱民厨师?
Get her a job if she was removed illegally. If she was removed illegally, punish the headmaster. Why boycott the Dalit cook?
如果她被非法解雇，就给她找份工作。如果她被非法开除，就惩罚那个校长。为什么要抵制那个贱民厨师?
spartan1789
Ok but where though? Usually these schools are in the remotest of places & a person who is most probably illiterate and poor what can she do? It's not like that ohh just because I did wrong so how about I will create an some non useful Post here and then you can work in that job bruh every job member is counted till last they cannot just create some post out of thin air
好的，但是从哪给她找工作呢？通常这些学校都在偏远地区，而这个厨师很有可能是文盲而且穷困，她能做什么？那里的情况可不是，“啊，仅仅因为我做了错事，所以我不妨设立一些无用的职位，然后你来做”，噗，每个职位都要精打细算，他们不能凭空造出职位。
Ok but where though? Usually these schools are in the remotest of places & a person who is most probably illiterate and poor what can she do? It's not like that ohh just because I did wrong so how about I will create an some non useful Post here and then you can work in that job bruh every job member is counted till last they cannot just create some post out of thin air
好的，但是从哪给她找工作呢？通常这些学校都在偏远地区，而这个厨师很有可能是文盲而且穷困，她能做什么？那里的情况可不是，“啊，仅仅因为我做了错事，所以我不妨设立一些无用的职位，然后你来做”，噗，每个职位都要精打细算，他们不能凭空造出职位。
Openeyezz
Some already had a job before which was removed. How can you just ignore one side and call victim only for the other side? I am saying both persons were wronged here and both deserves support. Doesn’t have to be one wins and other loses
某人之前已经有了一份工作，但后来被解雇了。你怎么能无视其中一方，只说另一方是受害者呢?我是说这两人都被冤枉了，都应该得到支持。不一定是一个赢另一个输。
Some already had a job before which was removed. How can you just ignore one side and call victim only for the other side? I am saying both persons were wronged here and both deserves support. Doesn’t have to be one wins and other loses
某人之前已经有了一份工作，但后来被解雇了。你怎么能无视其中一方，只说另一方是受害者呢?我是说这两人都被冤枉了，都应该得到支持。不一定是一个赢另一个输。
piyukumar
Not many will listen to you or understand what you mean. I was happy to see this comment in a sea of "expert opinions".
没有多少人会听你说或者理解你的意思。我很高兴能在“专家意见”的海洋中看到这个评论。
Not many will listen to you or understand what you mean. I was happy to see this comment in a sea of "expert opinions".
没有多少人会听你说或者理解你的意思。我很高兴能在“专家意见”的海洋中看到这个评论。
realist_optimist
If the govt made farmer law, why block Delhi roads?
Protest is protest, right? And every citizen has a right to protest?
既然政府制定了农民法，为什么农民要封锁德里的道路?
抗议就是抗议，对吧?而且每个公民不是都有抗议的权利吗?
If the govt made farmer law, why block Delhi roads?
Protest is protest, right? And every citizen has a right to protest?
既然政府制定了农民法，为什么农民要封锁德里的道路?
抗议就是抗议，对吧?而且每个公民不是都有抗议的权利吗?
Nickel_Monkey
Lol so you're supporting those blocking roads?
哈哈，所以你支持那些封锁道路的做法?
Lol so you're supporting those blocking roads?
哈哈，所以你支持那些封锁道路的做法?
realist_optimist
Lol no, not at all. I'm just pointing out how one group is the darling of msm while another group, a group of young children nonetheless, is being villified for the exact same action.
You ask why the cook should be penalised, I'm telling you the onus to answer this is not on us, it's on those incelactuals that defend the road blockers. So go and ask them why the locals should lose their business for laws that are not relevant to them in any way. And if your account survives the barrage of downvotes and bans, return here and I'll answer your question.
哈哈，不，一点也不。我只是指出，一个群体是主流媒体的宠儿，而另一个群体，一群年幼的孩子，却因为同样的行为而遭到诋毁。
你问为什么这个厨师应该受到惩罚，我告诉你，回答这个问题的责任不在我们，而在那些保护路障的人身上。所以去问问他们，为什么当地人要因为与他们毫不相关的法律而失去营生。如果你的账号躲过了一连串的反对和禁令，请回到这里，我会回答你的问题。
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Lol no, not at all. I'm just pointing out how one group is the darling of msm while another group, a group of young children nonetheless, is being villified for the exact same action.
You ask why the cook should be penalised, I'm telling you the onus to answer this is not on us, it's on those incelactuals that defend the road blockers. So go and ask them why the locals should lose their business for laws that are not relevant to them in any way. And if your account survives the barrage of downvotes and bans, return here and I'll answer your question.
哈哈，不，一点也不。我只是指出，一个群体是主流媒体的宠儿，而另一个群体，一群年幼的孩子，却因为同样的行为而遭到诋毁。
你问为什么这个厨师应该受到惩罚，我告诉你，回答这个问题的责任不在我们，而在那些保护路障的人身上。所以去问问他们，为什么当地人要因为与他们毫不相关的法律而失去营生。如果你的账号躲过了一连串的反对和禁令，请回到这里，我会回答你的问题。
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Nickel_Monkey
Lol you just used the example of blocking roads to support the action of not eating food cooked by Dalits. Pick one narrative man!
And if your account survives the barrage of downvotes and bans, return here and I'll answer your question.
Are you threatening me? So, having a contrarian opinion results in a ban? Wow, super tolerant you are lol
哈哈，你把封锁道路那件事作为例子，来支持那些人不吃那个贱民厨师做的食物的行为。真会选例子啊你!
你在威胁我吗?所以，持相反意见会被封账号吗?哇，你真是太宽容了，哈哈。
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Lol you just used the example of blocking roads to support the action of not eating food cooked by Dalits. Pick one narrative man!
And if your account survives the barrage of downvotes and bans, return here and I'll answer your question.
Are you threatening me? So, having a contrarian opinion results in a ban? Wow, super tolerant you are lol
哈哈，你把封锁道路那件事作为例子，来支持那些人不吃那个贱民厨师做的食物的行为。真会选例子啊你!
你在威胁我吗?所以，持相反意见会被封账号吗?哇，你真是太宽容了，哈哈。
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sreekumarkv
The earlier report had quoted the PTA president, who sexted the brahmin lady, as saying that since there were more upper caste students the cook should also be upper caste. Cam imagine their criteria of sextion. I wonder whether he would support this criteria in voting.
早些时候的报道援引了那位家长会主席的话——是他选择那位婆罗门女士——他说，既然学校里的高种姓学生比较多，那么厨师也应该是高种姓。你能想象他们的选择标准吗？我不知道他在选举时是否会支持这一标准。
The earlier report had quoted the PTA president, who sexted the brahmin lady, as saying that since there were more upper caste students the cook should also be upper caste. Cam imagine their criteria of sextion. I wonder whether he would support this criteria in voting.
早些时候的报道援引了那位家长会主席的话——是他选择那位婆罗门女士——他说，既然学校里的高种姓学生比较多，那么厨师也应该是高种姓。你能想象他们的选择标准吗？我不知道他在选举时是否会支持这一标准。
ChirpingSparrows
If they said that, it is wrong. And so was the next tender which called for only SC/ST?OBC candidates.
This woman is homeless & destitute. What is the grounds of removing her because she is of the wrong caste when there was never any caste requirement for that post in the first place?
如果他们这么说，那就是错的。所以才有了第二次招标，要求只要低种姓的候选人。
这个女人无家可归，一贫如洗。为什么要因为她属于错误的种姓而将她除名呢?因为这个职位本来就没有任何种姓要求。
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If they said that, it is wrong. And so was the next tender which called for only SC/ST?OBC candidates.
This woman is homeless & destitute. What is the grounds of removing her because she is of the wrong caste when there was never any caste requirement for that post in the first place?
如果他们这么说，那就是错的。所以才有了第二次招标，要求只要低种姓的候选人。
这个女人无家可归，一贫如洗。为什么要因为她属于错误的种姓而将她除名呢?因为这个职位本来就没有任何种姓要求。
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sreekumarkv
This woman is homeless & destitute. What is the grounds of removing her because she is of the wrong caste when there was never any caste requirement for that post in the first place?
As I pointed out, the PTA president under whom the Brahmin lady was sexted was quoting as saying that since there were more upper caste students, the cook also needs to be upper caste. If that was his criteria for sexting the brahmin cook, then that should be grounds for removing that lady picked for being upper caste. For the second sextion, if the sextion was done in the name of caste without any backing of rules, then that can also be seen as wrong.
正如我指出的那样，那位婆罗门女士是在那位家长会主席的领导下被选上的，他曾说过，由于学校有更多的高种姓学生，所以厨师也需要是高种姓的。如果这是他选择那位婆罗门厨师的标准，那么这应该是将那位女士被除名的理由（因高种姓而入选）。至于第二次选择，如果是在没有任何规定支持的情况下，以种姓的名义进行选择，那也可以被视为是错误的。
This woman is homeless & destitute. What is the grounds of removing her because she is of the wrong caste when there was never any caste requirement for that post in the first place?
As I pointed out, the PTA president under whom the Brahmin lady was sexted was quoting as saying that since there were more upper caste students, the cook also needs to be upper caste. If that was his criteria for sexting the brahmin cook, then that should be grounds for removing that lady picked for being upper caste. For the second sextion, if the sextion was done in the name of caste without any backing of rules, then that can also be seen as wrong.
正如我指出的那样，那位婆罗门女士是在那位家长会主席的领导下被选上的，他曾说过，由于学校有更多的高种姓学生，所以厨师也需要是高种姓的。如果这是他选择那位婆罗门厨师的标准，那么这应该是将那位女士被除名的理由（因高种姓而入选）。至于第二次选择，如果是在没有任何规定支持的情况下，以种姓的名义进行选择，那也可以被视为是错误的。
GoneWithThePaad
And it was right that she wasn't allowed to apply in next tender because of her caste?
因为她的种姓，她没有被允许参加第二次招标，这是对的吗?
And it was right that she wasn't allowed to apply in next tender because of her caste?
因为她的种姓，她没有被允许参加第二次招标，这是对的吗?
Xerxes4440
What other way do you believe would have been better to increase representation of backward classes ?? Genuine question
你觉得还有什么别的办法能够更好的增加落后阶级的代表权？真诚的发问。
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What other way do you believe would have been better to increase representation of backward classes ?? Genuine question
你觉得还有什么别的办法能够更好的增加落后阶级的代表权？真诚的发问。
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GoneWithThePaad
Income based?
根据收入？
Income based?
根据收入？
Xerxes4440
Would be the best option if India didn't had Caste Discrimination. Representation on the basis of Caste Population was better option rather than how poor you are. Cause max. people were poor at that time.Including all people from different caste in decision-making was the actual point of Reservation.
如果印度没有种姓歧视，那么这将是最好的选择。基于种姓人数而非收入多寡的代表权是更好的选择。因为大多数人都很穷。让所有来自不同种姓的人参与决策，才是预留制的真正意义所在。
Would be the best option if India didn't had Caste Discrimination. Representation on the basis of Caste Population was better option rather than how poor you are. Cause max. people were poor at that time.Including all people from different caste in decision-making was the actual point of Reservation.
如果印度没有种姓歧视，那么这将是最好的选择。基于种姓人数而非收入多寡的代表权是更好的选择。因为大多数人都很穷。让所有来自不同种姓的人参与决策，才是预留制的真正意义所在。
Prapancha
Your premise is wrong on the outset. If your intention is to bridge economic gaps then provide reservation on economic status. If the issue at hand is social in nature it cannot be solved by the government. It must be solved by the people themselves.
Tell me, we've had reservation for decades now, is caste based discrimination now absent from society? Reservation is not working, it needs to be reformed to actually do the job it purports to do
你的前提从一开始就错了。如果你的目的是缩小经济差距，那就根据经济地位提供预留权。如果这个问题是社会性的，那么政府是无法解决的。这个问题必须由人民自己来解决。
告诉我，我们的预留制已经实施了几十年，基于种姓的歧视现在在社会中消失了吗?预留制并没有起作用，它需要进行改革，以真正履行它所声称的职责。
Your premise is wrong on the outset. If your intention is to bridge economic gaps then provide reservation on economic status. If the issue at hand is social in nature it cannot be solved by the government. It must be solved by the people themselves.
Tell me, we've had reservation for decades now, is caste based discrimination now absent from society? Reservation is not working, it needs to be reformed to actually do the job it purports to do
你的前提从一开始就错了。如果你的目的是缩小经济差距，那就根据经济地位提供预留权。如果这个问题是社会性的，那么政府是无法解决的。这个问题必须由人民自己来解决。
告诉我，我们的预留制已经实施了几十年，基于种姓的歧视现在在社会中消失了吗?预留制并没有起作用，它需要进行改革，以真正履行它所声称的职责。
Xerxes4440
Reservation wasn't going to solve Caste problem. It was just a way to giving proper representation to backward classes depending on their Population which they were denied for ages .Caste Discrimination will never end. There will be castiest people even 100 years from now. I meant representation in decision making in politics and decision making of the Country. Name one lower caste man in Indian parliament at the time of India's independence other than Ambedkar. If seats weren't reserved there would have been dominance of certain caste people and things would have continued as they were in the past. Now we can rethink and amend certain changes in Reservation but politics won't let that happen.
预留制并不能解决种姓问题。这只是给落后阶级适当代表权的一种方式，这取决于他们的人口，他们被拒绝了很多年。种姓歧视永远不会结束。未来100年后也会有种姓最高的人。我指的是在政治决策和国家决策中的代表权。在印度独立的时候，除了安贝德卡，印度议会里的低种姓人士还有谁?如果不预留席位，某些种姓的人就会占主导地位，事情就会像过去一样继续下去。现在我们可以重新考虑并修改预留制中的某些变化，但政治不会允许这样的事情发生。
Reservation wasn't going to solve Caste problem. It was just a way to giving proper representation to backward classes depending on their Population which they were denied for ages .Caste Discrimination will never end. There will be castiest people even 100 years from now. I meant representation in decision making in politics and decision making of the Country. Name one lower caste man in Indian parliament at the time of India's independence other than Ambedkar. If seats weren't reserved there would have been dominance of certain caste people and things would have continued as they were in the past. Now we can rethink and amend certain changes in Reservation but politics won't let that happen.
预留制并不能解决种姓问题。这只是给落后阶级适当代表权的一种方式，这取决于他们的人口，他们被拒绝了很多年。种姓歧视永远不会结束。未来100年后也会有种姓最高的人。我指的是在政治决策和国家决策中的代表权。在印度独立的时候，除了安贝德卡，印度议会里的低种姓人士还有谁?如果不预留席位，某些种姓的人就会占主导地位，事情就会像过去一样继续下去。现在我们可以重新考虑并修改预留制中的某些变化，但政治不会允许这样的事情发生。
skullshatter0123
You mean it's a bandaid for a fracture?
你的意思是，预留制度就好比用创可贴治疗骨折？
You mean it's a bandaid for a fracture?
你的意思是，预留制度就好比用创可贴治疗骨折？
GoneWithThePaad
Ah so you are saying all castes were equally poor, but only some deserve economic upliftment. Extremely wise and not fascist at all.
啊，所以你是说所有种姓都一样贫穷，但只有一些应该得到经济上的提升。非常聪明，一点也不法西斯。
Ah so you are saying all castes were equally poor, but only some deserve economic upliftment. Extremely wise and not fascist at all.
啊，所以你是说所有种姓都一样贫穷，但只有一些应该得到经济上的提升。非常聪明，一点也不法西斯。
Xerxes4440
Never once said anyone required economic upliftment or better Education at the expense of others. I have been saying about Representation both are different things. The reason why American Revolution took place cause they wanted representation in their own country's decision making. They declared war on Britain. Our constitution gave reservation as it was Internal matter. All my point were regarding Political Reservation not once I said anything about Reservation in education and employment although it is not implemented on groundlevel on the richer st/sc are getting benefits again and again. Again its all about Politics now.
我从来没有说过，需要以牺牲他人的利益为代价，来提升任何人的经济或教育水平。我一直在说，两者的代表权是不一样的。美国之所以发生革命，是因为他们想在自己国家的决策中拥有代表权。他们向英国宣战。而我们的宪法规定预留，因为这是内政。我所有的观点都是关于政治预留制的，我从来没有说过教育和就业方面的预留制，虽然它没有在基层实施，但富裕的低种姓却一次又一次地得到好处。
Never once said anyone required economic upliftment or better Education at the expense of others. I have been saying about Representation both are different things. The reason why American Revolution took place cause they wanted representation in their own country's decision making. They declared war on Britain. Our constitution gave reservation as it was Internal matter. All my point were regarding Political Reservation not once I said anything about Reservation in education and employment although it is not implemented on groundlevel on the richer st/sc are getting benefits again and again. Again its all about Politics now.
我从来没有说过，需要以牺牲他人的利益为代价，来提升任何人的经济或教育水平。我一直在说，两者的代表权是不一样的。美国之所以发生革命，是因为他们想在自己国家的决策中拥有代表权。他们向英国宣战。而我们的宪法规定预留，因为这是内政。我所有的观点都是关于政治预留制的，我从来没有说过教育和就业方面的预留制，虽然它没有在基层实施，但富裕的低种姓却一次又一次地得到好处。
GoneWithThePaad
Ah. So quotas in economic opportunities is not about economic upliftement
啊哈。因此，经济机会方面的配额与经济提升无关。
Ah. So quotas in economic opportunities is not about economic upliftement
啊哈。因此，经济机会方面的配额与经济提升无关。
fcman24
Oh come on I seriously do not understand this income based reservation. You want me to not work hard, not provide enough to my family and sit on my ass all day long so that my kids get a quota?
15% of india was educated and I don’t have the stats but 91% was in poverty at the time of independence. Stats could be wrong I don’t know.
You think all those fathers and mothers who worked hard so that their kids see a better future are dumb?
Everything belongs to people who didn’t work hard. Didn’t succeed. Screwed up their life’s. Flunked the schools. Did drugs etc.
哦，拜托，我真的不理解这种基于收入的预留制。就为了让我的孩子得到配额，你就想让我不努力工作，不给我的家人挣足够的钱，整天闲坐着吗?
印度15%的人受过教育，我没有数据，但在独立时，91%的人生活贫困。这些数据可能是错的，我不知道。
你觉得那些努力工作让孩子看到更美好未来的父母都是傻的吗?
难道一切都应该属于那些不努力工作，不成功，毁掉自己的生活，上学不及格，吸毒之类的人吗？
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Oh come on I seriously do not understand this income based reservation. You want me to not work hard, not provide enough to my family and sit on my ass all day long so that my kids get a quota?
15% of india was educated and I don’t have the stats but 91% was in poverty at the time of independence. Stats could be wrong I don’t know.
You think all those fathers and mothers who worked hard so that their kids see a better future are dumb?
Everything belongs to people who didn’t work hard. Didn’t succeed. Screwed up their life’s. Flunked the schools. Did drugs etc.
哦，拜托，我真的不理解这种基于收入的预留制。就为了让我的孩子得到配额，你就想让我不努力工作，不给我的家人挣足够的钱，整天闲坐着吗?
印度15%的人受过教育，我没有数据，但在独立时，91%的人生活贫困。这些数据可能是错的，我不知道。
你觉得那些努力工作让孩子看到更美好未来的父母都是傻的吗?
难道一切都应该属于那些不努力工作，不成功，毁掉自己的生活，上学不及格，吸毒之类的人吗？
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realist_optimist
My idea: reservation coupons!
Each person from reserved classes get two reservation coupons for their lifetime. It is applicable everywhere reservation (undergrad, post grad, govt jobs and promotion, research applications, etc.) is currently provided BUT each person gets only two coupons.
If they land 1st class govt job, no coupons for kids.
If they land 2nd class or lower govt job, one coupon for kids.
If both parents land 2nd class or lower govt job, no coupons for kids.
If they land private jobs, then based on the tax they pay, no or one coupon for kids.
Also, annual progress checks. Was there net decrease? Is the program successful? Because I don't want to wait for another couple of generations before circling back to same problem.
我的想法是：预留券！
每个预留阶级的人一生都有两张预留券。它适用于目前提供的所有预留制度的场合（大学、研究生、公务员和晋升，研究应用等等），但每个人只有两张预留券！
如果他们获得了一级公务员职位，他们的孩子就没有预留券。
如果他们获得了二级或者更低的公务员职位，他们的孩子就有一张预留券。
如果父母双方都得到了二级或者更低的公务员职位，他们的孩子就没有预留券。
如果他们都从事私人工作，那么根据他们交的税，他们的孩子有一张或者没有预留券。
还有，每年核查进步情况。发生净减少了吗?该项目是否成功?因为我不想再等上几代人，然后又回到同样的问题上。
My idea: reservation coupons!
Each person from reserved classes get two reservation coupons for their lifetime. It is applicable everywhere reservation (undergrad, post grad, govt jobs and promotion, research applications, etc.) is currently provided BUT each person gets only two coupons.
If they land 1st class govt job, no coupons for kids.
If they land 2nd class or lower govt job, one coupon for kids.
If both parents land 2nd class or lower govt job, no coupons for kids.
If they land private jobs, then based on the tax they pay, no or one coupon for kids.
Also, annual progress checks. Was there net decrease? Is the program successful? Because I don't want to wait for another couple of generations before circling back to same problem.
我的想法是：预留券！
每个预留阶级的人一生都有两张预留券。它适用于目前提供的所有预留制度的场合（大学、研究生、公务员和晋升，研究应用等等），但每个人只有两张预留券！
如果他们获得了一级公务员职位，他们的孩子就没有预留券。
如果他们获得了二级或者更低的公务员职位，他们的孩子就有一张预留券。
如果父母双方都得到了二级或者更低的公务员职位，他们的孩子就没有预留券。
如果他们都从事私人工作，那么根据他们交的税，他们的孩子有一张或者没有预留券。
还有，每年核查进步情况。发生净减少了吗?该项目是否成功?因为我不想再等上几代人，然后又回到同样的问题上。
Prapancha
Your system makes too much sense, it will never be adopted.
你的制度太有道理了，所以永远不会被采纳。
Your system makes too much sense, it will never be adopted.
你的制度太有道理了，所以永远不会被采纳。
realist_optimist
The bigger a vote bank becomes, the bigger it is a threat for politicos because big groups can't be easily swayed. As long as there are smaller groups, politicos can divide and rule effectively.
If the caste discrimination issue gets resolved, Hindus have a basis to unite. Hindus as a society can actually look towards other bigger problems, which is like extra work and no politician wants to do extra work. Literally the direct and greatest beneficiaries of this system are the exact people who have the power to upxe the reservation system. Why would they ever want to change from a system that works in their favor to a system that will eventually dwindle down?
票仓越大，对政客的威胁就越大，因为大群体不会轻易动摇。只要存在较小的群体，政治家就可以有效地分而治之。
如果种姓歧视问题得到解决，印度教徒就有了团结的基础。作为一个社会，印度教徒实际上可以考虑其他更大的问题，比如额外的工作，没有政客愿意做额外的工作。从字面上看，这个系统的直接和最大的受益者正是那些有能力更新预订系统的人。为什么他们会想要从一个对他们有利的系统转变为一个最终会衰落的系统呢?
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The bigger a vote bank becomes, the bigger it is a threat for politicos because big groups can't be easily swayed. As long as there are smaller groups, politicos can divide and rule effectively.
If the caste discrimination issue gets resolved, Hindus have a basis to unite. Hindus as a society can actually look towards other bigger problems, which is like extra work and no politician wants to do extra work. Literally the direct and greatest beneficiaries of this system are the exact people who have the power to upxe the reservation system. Why would they ever want to change from a system that works in their favor to a system that will eventually dwindle down?
票仓越大，对政客的威胁就越大，因为大群体不会轻易动摇。只要存在较小的群体，政治家就可以有效地分而治之。
如果种姓歧视问题得到解决，印度教徒就有了团结的基础。作为一个社会，印度教徒实际上可以考虑其他更大的问题，比如额外的工作，没有政客愿意做额外的工作。从字面上看，这个系统的直接和最大的受益者正是那些有能力更新预订系统的人。为什么他们会想要从一个对他们有利的系统转变为一个最终会衰落的系统呢?
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Prapancha
Except you're missing the entire point of your argument.
The bigger a vote bank becomes, the bigger it is a threat for politicos because big groups can't be easily swayed. As long as there are smaller groups, politicos can divide and rule effectively.
All of this is true, but who says all parties need to divide and rule to win? Isn't it true that if people identify with an issue more than their caste they will vote for whichever party takes up that issue? Say development?
This is exactly why BJP keeps winning. They don't play caste politics (for the most part). Their political message is inclusive development on the national stage (Sabka saath, vikas and vishwas) and Hindutva on the regional stage.
Their politics goes beyond the traditional caste barriers and that's why they win with such huge margins.
So if people stop voting based on caste, yes SOME politicians lose their ability to divide and rule. but ONE party certainly wins out since it plays on an issue that unites instead of dividing.
You may disagree with BJP's way of doing politics but you can't deny that it works.
但你完全没抓住你的论点。
这一切都是真的，但谁说所有政党都需要分而治之才能获胜呢?如果人们对某一问题的认同超过了他们的种姓，他们会把票投给任何一个处理该问题的政党，这难道不是真的吗?比如发展?
这正是人民党一直获胜的原因。他们不玩弄种姓政治(大多数情况下)。他们的政治信息在国家舞台上(Sabka saath, vikas和vishwas)是包容性发展，在地区舞台上是印度教主义。
他们的政治超越了传统的种姓藩篱，这就是他们以如此巨大的优势获胜的原因。
所以如果人们停止基于种姓投票，是的，一些政客会失去分而治之的能力。但一个政党肯定会胜出，因为它在一个团结而不是分裂的问题上发挥作用。
你或许不同意人民党搞政治的做法，但你无法否认它很管用。
Except you're missing the entire point of your argument.
The bigger a vote bank becomes, the bigger it is a threat for politicos because big groups can't be easily swayed. As long as there are smaller groups, politicos can divide and rule effectively.
All of this is true, but who says all parties need to divide and rule to win? Isn't it true that if people identify with an issue more than their caste they will vote for whichever party takes up that issue? Say development?
This is exactly why BJP keeps winning. They don't play caste politics (for the most part). Their political message is inclusive development on the national stage (Sabka saath, vikas and vishwas) and Hindutva on the regional stage.
Their politics goes beyond the traditional caste barriers and that's why they win with such huge margins.
So if people stop voting based on caste, yes SOME politicians lose their ability to divide and rule. but ONE party certainly wins out since it plays on an issue that unites instead of dividing.
You may disagree with BJP's way of doing politics but you can't deny that it works.
但你完全没抓住你的论点。
这一切都是真的，但谁说所有政党都需要分而治之才能获胜呢?如果人们对某一问题的认同超过了他们的种姓，他们会把票投给任何一个处理该问题的政党，这难道不是真的吗?比如发展?
这正是人民党一直获胜的原因。他们不玩弄种姓政治(大多数情况下)。他们的政治信息在国家舞台上(Sabka saath, vikas和vishwas)是包容性发展，在地区舞台上是印度教主义。
他们的政治超越了传统的种姓藩篱，这就是他们以如此巨大的优势获胜的原因。
所以如果人们停止基于种姓投票，是的，一些政客会失去分而治之的能力。但一个政党肯定会胜出，因为它在一个团结而不是分裂的问题上发挥作用。
你或许不同意人民党搞政治的做法，但你无法否认它很管用。
Asterion777
LOL! who said BJP doesn't play caste-based politics? come to Karnataka, it is literally appeasing SC/ST/OBC but in the name of "Hindutva" that's all. People still vote here based on the candidate's caste rather than his performance record.
哈哈!谁说印度人民党不玩弄种姓政治的?来卡纳塔克邦看看吧，这里实际上在以“印度教主义”的名义取悦贱民，仅此而已。这里的人们仍然根据候选人的种姓而不是他的表现来投票。
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LOL! who said BJP doesn't play caste-based politics? come to Karnataka, it is literally appeasing SC/ST/OBC but in the name of "Hindutva" that's all. People still vote here based on the candidate's caste rather than his performance record.
哈哈!谁说印度人民党不玩弄种姓政治的?来卡纳塔克邦看看吧，这里实际上在以“印度教主义”的名义取悦贱民，仅此而已。这里的人们仍然根据候选人的种姓而不是他的表现来投票。
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Prapancha
They don't play caste politics (for the most part)
Why can't some people read for fucks sake.
他们不玩弄种姓政治（大多数情况下）
为什么有些人就特么不认识字呢？
They don't play caste politics (for the most part)
Why can't some people read for fucks sake.
他们不玩弄种姓政治（大多数情况下）
为什么有些人就特么不认识字呢？
Asterion777
Why don't people understand the context for the F**k sake?
that "for the most part" is actually "for the least part". BJP is completely within the hands of pro-leftist people who are masqueraded under Hindutva. These MLAs keep on switching where the money is and letting citizens unchanged.
Their Sabka Vishwas model has become another appeasement tool!
为什么有些人搞不清楚上下文呢？
“大多数情况下”实际上是“极少数情况下”。人民党完全掌握在亲左翼的人手中，他们以印度教主义作为幌子。这些议会议员不停地改变钱的流向，让公民一成不变。
他们的Sabka Vishwas模式已经变成了另一种安抚工具！
Why don't people understand the context for the F**k sake?
that "for the most part" is actually "for the least part". BJP is completely within the hands of pro-leftist people who are masqueraded under Hindutva. These MLAs keep on switching where the money is and letting citizens unchanged.
Their Sabka Vishwas model has become another appeasement tool!
为什么有些人搞不清楚上下文呢？
“大多数情况下”实际上是“极少数情况下”。人民党完全掌握在亲左翼的人手中，他们以印度教主义作为幌子。这些议会议员不停地改变钱的流向，让公民一成不变。
他们的Sabka Vishwas模式已经变成了另一种安抚工具！
Prapancha
That is not the argument being made here. It is necessary to look at bjp with context of other regional parties. No doubt bjp does appeasement politics. But given the sheer support they're getting that cuts across caste lines it is because they are appeasing everyone.
Isn't that the sole purpose of a party? To gain as much support as possible? Look at SP, BSP, Congress in UP. One appeases Yadav's the other appeases Dalits and the last appeases muslims. None of them win, the party that appeases the people of UP wins. That's BJP.
Karnataka was an exception in my mind as well when I wrote the comment hence the bracketed statement 'for the most part'
这不是我们讨论的论点。有必要以其他地区政党为背景来看待人民党。毫无疑问，印度人民党在搞安抚政治。但考虑到他们获得的绝对支持，这跨越了种姓界限，这是因为他们在安抚每个人。
“尽可能多的获取支持”难道不是党派的唯一目的吗？看看北方邦的SP、BSP、国大党。一个安抚亚达夫，另一个安抚贱民，最后一个安抚穆斯林。但他们都没有赢，而安抚北方邦人民的政党赢了。这就是印度人民党。
在我写这篇评论时，卡纳塔克邦在我看来也是一个例外，因此括号里写了“大部分情况下”。
That is not the argument being made here. It is necessary to look at bjp with context of other regional parties. No doubt bjp does appeasement politics. But given the sheer support they're getting that cuts across caste lines it is because they are appeasing everyone.
Isn't that the sole purpose of a party? To gain as much support as possible? Look at SP, BSP, Congress in UP. One appeases Yadav's the other appeases Dalits and the last appeases muslims. None of them win, the party that appeases the people of UP wins. That's BJP.
Karnataka was an exception in my mind as well when I wrote the comment hence the bracketed statement 'for the most part'
这不是我们讨论的论点。有必要以其他地区政党为背景来看待人民党。毫无疑问，印度人民党在搞安抚政治。但考虑到他们获得的绝对支持，这跨越了种姓界限，这是因为他们在安抚每个人。
“尽可能多的获取支持”难道不是党派的唯一目的吗？看看北方邦的SP、BSP、国大党。一个安抚亚达夫，另一个安抚贱民，最后一个安抚穆斯林。但他们都没有赢，而安抚北方邦人民的政党赢了。这就是印度人民党。
在我写这篇评论时，卡纳塔克邦在我看来也是一个例外，因此括号里写了“大部分情况下”。
Xerxes4440
Who are you so wise in the ways of Reservation
来者何人？为何在预留制方面有如此高论？
Who are you so wise in the ways of Reservation
来者何人？为何在预留制方面有如此高论？
realist_optimist
A victim of the reservation system, with a lot of time on their hand because of the opportunity they were denied.
我是一个预留制的受害者，由于一个机会遭到拒绝，所以我有很多闲暇。
A victim of the reservation system, with a lot of time on their hand because of the opportunity they were denied.
我是一个预留制的受害者，由于一个机会遭到拒绝，所以我有很多闲暇。
Asterion777
What if they own a private business but do not present their income or underrepresented it to evade taxes? I have seen people belonging to minorities putting 14k per annum to get scholarships and it is not new. They can also bribe local Tahashildar/ Taluk officer to get these income certificates.
如果他们拥有一家私人企业，但不申报收入，或者为了逃税而少报收入，那该怎么办?我看到少数民族每年为了获得奖学金，只申报1.4万卢比的收入，这不是什么新鲜事。他们也可以贿赂当地的塔哈希达尔/塔鲁克官员，以获得这些收入证明。
What if they own a private business but do not present their income or underrepresented it to evade taxes? I have seen people belonging to minorities putting 14k per annum to get scholarships and it is not new. They can also bribe local Tahashildar/ Taluk officer to get these income certificates.
如果他们拥有一家私人企业，但不申报收入，或者为了逃税而少报收入，那该怎么办?我看到少数民族每年为了获得奖学金，只申报1.4万卢比的收入，这不是什么新鲜事。他们也可以贿赂当地的塔哈希达尔/塔鲁克官员，以获得这些收入证明。
realist_optimist
Very good question but in my opinion, it kind of applies to everyone, not just Dalits.
The reservation coupon would be applied for entry to college or entry to a job, scholarship would be based on merit then, right?
问得好，但在我看来，所有人都会这样，而不仅仅是贱民人。
预留券将用于大学入学或工作，奖学金将基于成绩，对吧?
Very good question but in my opinion, it kind of applies to everyone, not just Dalits.
The reservation coupon would be applied for entry to college or entry to a job, scholarship would be based on merit then, right?
问得好，但在我看来，所有人都会这样，而不仅仅是贱民人。
预留券将用于大学入学或工作，奖学金将基于成绩，对吧?
Asterion777
My question was based on what I had seen in real life but yes, can be applied to everyone who does this.
I am not sure how these reservation coupons work but scholarships are also based on religion. For e.g, my M friend was getting some amount (I think 30k) per year from wakf or something like that.
我的问题是根据我在现实生活中看到的情况提出的，但是是的，这个问题适用于每个这样做的人。
我不知道这些预约券是如何运作的，但奖学金也是基于宗教的。例如，我的穆斯林朋友每年从wakf或类似的地方得到一些钱(我想是3万卢比)。
My question was based on what I had seen in real life but yes, can be applied to everyone who does this.
I am not sure how these reservation coupons work but scholarships are also based on religion. For e.g, my M friend was getting some amount (I think 30k) per year from wakf or something like that.
我的问题是根据我在现实生活中看到的情况提出的，但是是的，这个问题适用于每个这样做的人。
我不知道这些预约券是如何运作的，但奖学金也是基于宗教的。例如，我的穆斯林朋友每年从wakf或类似的地方得到一些钱(我想是3万卢比)。
Asterion777
There should not be representation based on class but on merit. Oh! that hurts someone right? well, that's anti-socialist lol!
代表权不应以阶级为基础，而应以成绩为基础。哦!这伤害了别人，对吗?这是反社会主义的，哈哈!
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There should not be representation based on class but on merit. Oh! that hurts someone right? well, that's anti-socialist lol!
代表权不应以阶级为基础，而应以成绩为基础。哦!这伤害了别人，对吗?这是反社会主义的，哈哈!
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Xerxes4440
Upliftment of someone who already has potential to uplift himself. Then whats the point of Reservation. Absolute No Reservation would be far better than that.
提升一个已经有潜力提升自己的人。那预留制还有什么意义。完全取消预留制要好得多。
Upliftment of someone who already has potential to uplift himself. Then whats the point of Reservation. Absolute No Reservation would be far better than that.
提升一个已经有潜力提升自己的人。那预留制还有什么意义。完全取消预留制要好得多。
Asterion777
The actual point of reservation was once the upliftment happened, it should be removed. But just like socialism/communism it could not achieve its goals and ended up in a blame game that's all.
"Upliftment of someone who already has potential to uplift himself"
A poor cobbler cannot uplift himself nor does he have any potential due to a lack of skills. Hence the reservation in education/job/life etc needs to be based on the economic condition of the individual instead of religion/caste etc.
预留制的真正关键在于，一旦获得提升就应该取消。但就像社会主义/共产主义一样，它无法实现目标，结果变成了推卸责任的游戏，仅此而已。
一个可怜的鞋匠无法提升自己，也没有任何潜力，因为他缺乏技能。因此，教育、工作、生活等方面的预留权需要以个人的经济条件为基础，而不是基于宗教、种姓等。
The actual point of reservation was once the upliftment happened, it should be removed. But just like socialism/communism it could not achieve its goals and ended up in a blame game that's all.
"Upliftment of someone who already has potential to uplift himself"
A poor cobbler cannot uplift himself nor does he have any potential due to a lack of skills. Hence the reservation in education/job/life etc needs to be based on the economic condition of the individual instead of religion/caste etc.
预留制的真正关键在于，一旦获得提升就应该取消。但就像社会主义/共产主义一样，它无法实现目标，结果变成了推卸责任的游戏，仅此而已。
一个可怜的鞋匠无法提升自己，也没有任何潜力，因为他缺乏技能。因此，教育、工作、生活等方面的预留权需要以个人的经济条件为基础，而不是基于宗教、种姓等。
HippoNebula
wtf is happening here
我们这里究竟发生了什么？
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wtf is happening here
我们这里究竟发生了什么？
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dhatura
People are demonstrating exactly why India has been broken and conquered by outsiders for centuries.
Apparently we are still not willing to learn.
人们在证明，几个世纪以来，印度究竟为什么会支离破碎，并且被外来者征服。
很明显我们依然不愿意吸取教训。
People are demonstrating exactly why India has been broken and conquered by outsiders for centuries.
Apparently we are still not willing to learn.
人们在证明，几个世纪以来，印度究竟为什么会支离破碎，并且被外来者征服。
很明显我们依然不愿意吸取教训。
ghanta-congress
exactly why India has been broken and conquered by outsiders for centuries
ironic... since your generalization and behavior towards non SC/ST in the other thread had me thinking the same.....
讽刺……因为你在另一个帖子里对低种姓的以点概面和做法，让我有同样的想法……
exactly why India has been broken and conquered by outsiders for centuries
ironic... since your generalization and behavior towards non SC/ST in the other thread had me thinking the same.....
讽刺……因为你在另一个帖子里对低种姓的以点概面和做法，让我有同样的想法……
dhatura
Wow, genius level logic.
哇哦，你的逻辑真是天才。
Wow, genius level logic.
哇哦，你的逻辑真是天才。
twinkletwilight07
Happy that people have started to revolt :)
很高兴看到人们开始反抗。
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Happy that people have started to revolt :)
很高兴看到人们开始反抗。
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RahulRainaa
Till the time there is caste system in India..we wont progress..
只要印度存在种姓制度，我们就不会进步……
Till the time there is caste system in India..we wont progress..
只要印度存在种姓制度，我们就不会进步……
dhatura
Well you can see by the responses here where we are headed.
嗯，从这里的回应，我们就能看到我们的将来。
Well you can see by the responses here where we are headed.
嗯，从这里的回应，我们就能看到我们的将来。
GoneWithThePaad
Discrimination against brahmin isn't caste system at all
对婆罗门的歧视根本不是种姓制度。
Discrimination against brahmin isn't caste system at all
对婆罗门的歧视根本不是种姓制度。
greyasshairs
Why can't everything be based on blind tender system where no identifiable qualities are revealed? It's food. Why do we need to know who made it? Only criteria should be taste and hygiene. I understand the need for reservations to improve representation but we always go too far. If a system hasn't really worked for decades then shouldn't alternate options or ideas be tried? So tiring to hear about the same issues and failures for so long.
为什么不把一切都建立在不揭露任何身份特征的盲选制度的基础上呢?根据做的饭好坏。我们为什么要知道那些饭是谁做的?唯一的标准应该是品味和卫生。我理解预留岗位的必要性，是为了改善代表权，但我们总是搞的过分了。如果一个制度几十年都没有真正发挥作用，难道不应该尝试其他选择或想法吗?这么长时间都听到同样的问题和失败，都让人厌烦了。
Why can't everything be based on blind tender system where no identifiable qualities are revealed? It's food. Why do we need to know who made it? Only criteria should be taste and hygiene. I understand the need for reservations to improve representation but we always go too far. If a system hasn't really worked for decades then shouldn't alternate options or ideas be tried? So tiring to hear about the same issues and failures for so long.
为什么不把一切都建立在不揭露任何身份特征的盲选制度的基础上呢?根据做的饭好坏。我们为什么要知道那些饭是谁做的?唯一的标准应该是品味和卫生。我理解预留岗位的必要性，是为了改善代表权，但我们总是搞的过分了。如果一个制度几十年都没有真正发挥作用，难道不应该尝试其他选择或想法吗?这么长时间都听到同样的问题和失败，都让人厌烦了。
Manuvadi
I wanna know because I don't want to eat food in which someone spat.
我想知道（厨师的身份），因为我不想吃到有人往里吐口水的食物。
I wanna know because I don't want to eat food in which someone spat.
我想知道（厨师的身份），因为我不想吃到有人往里吐口水的食物。
Chitpavan_Blitzkrieg
Lol have you listened to bamcef videos on youtube...Upper caste Hindus should just come out of India...the Indian state celebrates mediocrity and detests merit...you can always come out of the socialist shithole of a democracy and earn a fair and square living with dignity...
哈哈，你有没有在油管上看bamcef的视频？高种姓的印度教徒应该走出印度……印度颂扬平庸，憎恶优秀……你总可以从那个民主粪坑里走出来，过上公平、公正、有尊严的生活……
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Lol have you listened to bamcef videos on youtube...Upper caste Hindus should just come out of India...the Indian state celebrates mediocrity and detests merit...you can always come out of the socialist shithole of a democracy and earn a fair and square living with dignity...
哈哈，你有没有在油管上看bamcef的视频？高种姓的印度教徒应该走出印度……印度颂扬平庸，憎恶优秀……你总可以从那个民主粪坑里走出来，过上公平、公正、有尊严的生活……
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chetta-munda
People all over the world fight to be successful, considered intelligent and smart. They want to belong to upper echelons of the society. Now Indians are eager to fight for who is the lowest in social rung.
世界各地的人努力奋斗，追求成功，想要被视为聪明人。他们想要跻身于社会的上层。现在，印度人渴望为社会地位最低的那些人而战。
People all over the world fight to be successful, considered intelligent and smart. They want to belong to upper echelons of the society. Now Indians are eager to fight for who is the lowest in social rung.
世界各地的人努力奋斗，追求成功，想要被视为聪明人。他们想要跻身于社会的上层。现在，印度人渴望为社会地位最低的那些人而战。
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