美国网民讨论：当海军准备 F-35C 打捞行动时，日本海岸警卫队在南海发布了打捞警告
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Notice to Mariners
航行警告通知
Japan Coast Guard Issues Salvage Warning in South China Sea as Navy Prepares F-35C Recovery Operations
By: Dzirhan Mahadzir and Sam LaGrone
January 31, 2022 5:40 PM · upxed: January 31, 2022
海军准备 F-35C 回收行动时，日本海岸警卫队在南海发布打捞警告
作者：Dzirhan Mahadzir 和 Sam LaGrone
2022年1月31日
2022 年 1 月 24 日，在 USS CVN-70 卡尔文森号航空母舰上坠毁后的 F-35C“闪电”II 联合攻击战斗机
By: Dzirhan Mahadzir and Sam LaGrone
January 31, 2022 5:40 PM · upxed: January 31, 2022
海军准备 F-35C 回收行动时，日本海岸警卫队在南海发布打捞警告
作者：Dzirhan Mahadzir 和 Sam LaGrone
2022年1月31日
2022 年 1 月 24 日，在 USS CVN-70 卡尔文森号航空母舰上坠毁后的 F-35C“闪电”II 联合攻击战斗机
The Navy is preparing salvage operations for an F-35C Lighting II Joint Strike Fighter lost last week, U.S. 7th Fleet told USNI News on Monday.
美国第 7 舰队周一告诉 USNI 新闻，海军正在准备对上周丢失的 F-35C “闪电” II 联合攻击战斗机进行打捞行动。
美国第 7 舰队周一告诉 USNI 新闻，海军正在准备对上周丢失的 F-35C “闪电” II 联合攻击战斗机进行打捞行动。
“The U.S. Navy is making recovery operations arrangements for the F-35C aircraft involved in the crash aboard USS Carl Vinson (CVN-70) in the South China Sea,” Cmdr. Hayley Sims told USNI News in a statement.
“美国海军正在为参与南中国海航空母舰卡尔文森号(CVN-70)上坠毁的 F-35C 飞机做出回收行动安排，”Cmdr. 海莉·西姆斯在一份声明中告诉 美国海军 新闻网。
“美国海军正在为参与南中国海航空母舰卡尔文森号(CVN-70)上坠毁的 F-35C 飞机做出回收行动安排，”Cmdr. 海莉·西姆斯在一份声明中告诉 美国海军 新闻网。
Though the service did not provide additional details, over the weekend the Japan Coast Guard issued a NAVAREA Navigational Warning on Saturday for salvage operations in the South China Sea.
尽管该服务没有提供更多细节，但日本海上保安厅周末就预计在南中国海进行的打捞作业发布了区域航行警告通知。
尽管该服务没有提供更多细节，但日本海上保安厅周末就预计在南中国海进行的打捞作业发布了区域航行警告通知。
The notice stated that salvage operations would be ongoing until further notice at the South China Sea coordinates west of the Philippines near where the fighter fell off the deck of USS Carl Vinson (CVN-70) on Jan. 24. The loss of the aircraft occurred as Vinson and USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72) were operating in tandem in the South China Sea.
通知称，打捞作业将持续进行，直至另行通知，通知还标示出了 1 月 24 日战斗机从卡尔文森号(CVN-70)甲板上坠落时、位于菲律宾以西附近的南中国海坐标位置。目前文森号和亚伯拉罕·林肯号航空母舰（CVN-72）在南海协同作战。
通知称，打捞作业将持续进行，直至另行通知，通知还标示出了 1 月 24 日战斗机从卡尔文森号(CVN-70)甲板上坠落时、位于菲律宾以西附近的南中国海坐标位置。目前文森号和亚伯拉罕·林肯号航空母舰（CVN-72）在南海协同作战。
The classified technology on the F-35 has resulted in major recovery efforts made for any variant of the aircraft that is lost at sea due to fears that Russia or China would salvage the lost aircraft.
由于担心俄罗斯或中国会打捞丢失的飞机，导致F-35 上的机密技术泄露，对在海上丢失的飞机的任何残骸进行了大规模的打捞工作。
由于担心俄罗斯或中国会打捞丢失的飞机，导致F-35 上的机密技术泄露，对在海上丢失的飞机的任何残骸进行了大规模的打捞工作。
The U.K, Italy and the United States mounted a salvage operation last year for a U.K F-35B that crashed into the Mediterranean following a take-off from the carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth (R08). Similarly in 2019, the loss of a Japan Air Self Defence Force (JASDF) F-35A in the Pacific led to an intensive search by Japan and the U.S for the wreckage of the aircraft. It is unclear though whether the whole aircraft was recovered but the aircraft was said to have been broken into debris as it crashed into the sea at high speed unlike the other two F-35s which landed into the sea relatively intact.
去年，英国、意大利和美国对一架英国 F-35B展开了打捞行动，这架 F-35B 在伊丽莎白女王号(R08)号航母上起飞时坠入了地中海。同样在 2019 年，日本航空自卫队 (JASDF) F-35A在太平洋地区的损失导致日本和美国对飞机残骸进行了密集的搜索。目前尚不清楚整架飞机是否已被打捞上来，但据说这架飞机在高速坠海时被撞成碎片，不像其他两架F-35飞机相对完好地降落在海里。
去年，英国、意大利和美国对一架英国 F-35B展开了打捞行动，这架 F-35B 在伊丽莎白女王号(R08)号航母上起飞时坠入了地中海。同样在 2019 年，日本航空自卫队 (JASDF) F-35A在太平洋地区的损失导致日本和美国对飞机残骸进行了密集的搜索。目前尚不清楚整架飞机是否已被打捞上来，但据说这架飞机在高速坠海时被撞成碎片，不像其他两架F-35飞机相对完好地降落在海里。
Photos circulating on social media last week, which were verified by 7th Fleet, show the F-35C, assigned to the The “Argonauts” of VFA-147 Strike Fighter Squadron (VFA) aboard Vinson, landed in the water right side up and largely intact before sinking.
上周在社交媒体上流传的经过第七舰队验证的照片显示，分配给 VFA-147 攻击战斗机“淘金者”中队 (VFA) 的的 F-35C正面朝上降落在水中，沉没前的大部分时间里均完好无损。
上周在社交媒体上流传的经过第七舰队验证的照片显示，分配给 VFA-147 攻击战斗机“淘金者”中队 (VFA) 的的 F-35C正面朝上降落在水中，沉没前的大部分时间里均完好无损。
Notice to Mariners
航行警告通知
It’s unclear what units the Navy will employ to recover the fighter, which could be in waters up to 30,000 feet deep depending on the exact location of where the fighter settled.
The Navy has one salvage ship, USNS Salvor (ARS-52), in U.S. 7th Fleet but the Navy has other salvage and recovery systems that could be installed on commercial salvage ships or offshore support vessels.
目前尚不清楚海军将使用哪些单位来回收这架战斗机，这取决于战斗机坠毁时的确切位置，它可能处于 30,000 英尺深的水域中。
美国海军第7舰队拥有一艘打捞船 USNS“救援者”号 (ARS-52)，但海军还有其他打捞和回收系统，可以安装在商业打捞船或近海支援船上。
The Navy has one salvage ship, USNS Salvor (ARS-52), in U.S. 7th Fleet but the Navy has other salvage and recovery systems that could be installed on commercial salvage ships or offshore support vessels.
目前尚不清楚海军将使用哪些单位来回收这架战斗机，这取决于战斗机坠毁时的确切位置，它可能处于 30,000 英尺深的水域中。
美国海军第7舰队拥有一艘打捞船 USNS“救援者”号 (ARS-52)，但海军还有其他打捞和回收系统，可以安装在商业打捞船或近海支援船上。
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corsair
There was a location in the nearby Philippines with available assets....
这不是在菲律宾附近标示出了一个宝贵资产的位置嘛....
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There was a location in the nearby Philippines with available assets....
这不是在菲律宾附近标示出了一个宝贵资产的位置嘛....
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FYIGMO
Well, one hopes they pretty much vacuum the seafloor to retrieve every part possible. I can just see a piece of the wing with the RAM coating still attached and recovered by the Chinese. As I've said in these forums before, it's not that they would be able to reverse-engineer the RAM, but rather that analyses of the material would give great insight into what radar frequencies are attenuated and to how many decibels. Like Mr. Spock said on Star Trek, though, military secrets are the most fleeting.
好吧，人们希望他们几乎可以用吸尘器清理海底以回收所有可能的部分。我只能看到一块带有隐身涂层的机翼碎片仍然附着在那儿并被中国人回收。正如我之前在这些论坛中所说的那样，并不是他们能够对隐身涂料进行逆向仿制工程，而是对材料的分析可以深入了解哪些雷达频率能被衰减以及衰减了多少分贝。不过，就像斯波克先生在《星际迷航》中所说的那样，军事机密的保密期总是最短暂的。
Well, one hopes they pretty much vacuum the seafloor to retrieve every part possible. I can just see a piece of the wing with the RAM coating still attached and recovered by the Chinese. As I've said in these forums before, it's not that they would be able to reverse-engineer the RAM, but rather that analyses of the material would give great insight into what radar frequencies are attenuated and to how many decibels. Like Mr. Spock said on Star Trek, though, military secrets are the most fleeting.
好吧，人们希望他们几乎可以用吸尘器清理海底以回收所有可能的部分。我只能看到一块带有隐身涂层的机翼碎片仍然附着在那儿并被中国人回收。正如我之前在这些论坛中所说的那样，并不是他们能够对隐身涂料进行逆向仿制工程，而是对材料的分析可以深入了解哪些雷达频率能被衰减以及衰减了多少分贝。不过，就像斯波克先生在《星际迷航》中所说的那样，军事机密的保密期总是最短暂的。
vlhc vlhc FYIGMO
And that's what's going to happen, China sends AUV to grab a couple of pieces and USN gets to claim they recovered 99% of the aircraft, no diplomatic crisis, no publicity, everyone gets what they want, win win.
这就是将要发生的事情，中国派无人潜航器去捞几块碎片，而美国海军将会声称他们回收了99%的飞机，没有外交危机，没有宣传，每个人都得到了他们想要的，大家都赢麻了。
And that's what's going to happen, China sends AUV to grab a couple of pieces and USN gets to claim they recovered 99% of the aircraft, no diplomatic crisis, no publicity, everyone gets what they want, win win.
这就是将要发生的事情，中国派无人潜航器去捞几块碎片，而美国海军将会声称他们回收了99%的飞机，没有外交危机，没有宣传，每个人都得到了他们想要的，大家都赢麻了。
Phaeton vlhc vlhc
The Chinese are indeed the absolute masters of stealing technology,no one can deny that...
中国人确实是oo技术的绝对高手，谁也不能否认...
The Chinese are indeed the absolute masters of stealing technology,no one can deny that...
中国人确实是oo技术的绝对高手，谁也不能否认...
TDog FYIGMO
I think you're spot on in your observation. I suppose the Chinese could burn the sample to see what elements were in it, but that wouldn't be very helpful. Think throwing in x parts carbon and y parts water plus a few trace elements and expecting a human being to spring from all of it.
我认为你的观察是正确的。我想中国人可以焚烧样品，看看里面有什么元素，但这不会很有帮助。想想把x份的碳和y份的水加上一些微量元素，然后期待着一个神灵从这一切中蹦出来。
I think you're spot on in your observation. I suppose the Chinese could burn the sample to see what elements were in it, but that wouldn't be very helpful. Think throwing in x parts carbon and y parts water plus a few trace elements and expecting a human being to spring from all of it.
我认为你的观察是正确的。我想中国人可以焚烧样品，看看里面有什么元素，但这不会很有帮助。想想把x份的碳和y份的水加上一些微量元素，然后期待着一个神灵从这一切中蹦出来。
rotorhead1871 TDog
many analytical methods can be used to determine composition and structure of the coating and base material...XRD, spark spectro, thermal analysis, mass spec, all methods of spectroscopy including NMR, and ESR....ie: if they had a piece....they could pretty easily determine material and structure, the only guessing game is processes to apply.
许多分析方法可用于确定涂层和基材的成分和结构......X射线衍射，火花元素光谱，热分析，质谱，包括核磁共振波谱和电子自旋共振在内的所有方法......也就是说：如果他们有一块残骸....他们可以很容易地确定材料和结构，唯一需要玩的猜谜游戏是工艺流程 。
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many analytical methods can be used to determine composition and structure of the coating and base material...XRD, spark spectro, thermal analysis, mass spec, all methods of spectroscopy including NMR, and ESR....ie: if they had a piece....they could pretty easily determine material and structure, the only guessing game is processes to apply.
许多分析方法可用于确定涂层和基材的成分和结构......X射线衍射，火花元素光谱，热分析，质谱，包括核磁共振波谱和电子自旋共振在内的所有方法......也就是说：如果他们有一块残骸....他们可以很容易地确定材料和结构，唯一需要玩的猜谜游戏是工艺流程 。
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Graeme Rymill
"The classified technology on the F-35 has resulted in major recovery efforts made for any variant of the aircraft that is lost at sea due to fears that Russia or China would salvage the lost aircraft."
Is this an accurate assessment though? In March 2021 the USN "recovered a Seahawk helicopter [MH-60S] lying 3.6 miles below waters off the coast of Okinawa, breaking its depth record for recovery of sunken aircraft." No lives were lost in the Seahawk crash so it wasn't recovered in the hope of locating bodies. Does the USN not routinely try and recover all ditched aircraft?
“由于担心俄罗斯或中国会打捞丢失的飞机，获得F-35 上的机密技术，导致对在海上丢失的飞机的任何残骸进行了大规模的打捞工作。”
这是一个准确的评估吗？ 2021 年 3 月，美国海军“打捞了一架海鹰直升机，位于冲绳海岸附近 3.6 英里处，打破了打捞坠海飞机的深度记录。”海鹰坠机的事故中没有人丧生，因此无需为了找到遗体而打捞。美国海军是否经常尝试回收所有被遗弃的飞机吗？
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"The classified technology on the F-35 has resulted in major recovery efforts made for any variant of the aircraft that is lost at sea due to fears that Russia or China would salvage the lost aircraft."
Is this an accurate assessment though? In March 2021 the USN "recovered a Seahawk helicopter [MH-60S] lying 3.6 miles below waters off the coast of Okinawa, breaking its depth record for recovery of sunken aircraft." No lives were lost in the Seahawk crash so it wasn't recovered in the hope of locating bodies. Does the USN not routinely try and recover all ditched aircraft?
“由于担心俄罗斯或中国会打捞丢失的飞机，获得F-35 上的机密技术，导致对在海上丢失的飞机的任何残骸进行了大规模的打捞工作。”
这是一个准确的评估吗？ 2021 年 3 月，美国海军“打捞了一架海鹰直升机，位于冲绳海岸附近 3.6 英里处，打破了打捞坠海飞机的深度记录。”海鹰坠机的事故中没有人丧生，因此无需为了找到遗体而打捞。美国海军是否经常尝试回收所有被遗弃的飞机吗？
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Donald Carey Graeme Rymill
The wreckage may have been of some use when analyzing the cause of the loss.
在分析损失的原因时，残骸可能有一些用处。
The wreckage may have been of some use when analyzing the cause of the loss.
在分析损失的原因时，残骸可能有一些用处。
ElmCityAle Joe S.
Perhaps a giant inflatable hand with a finger pointing in the opposite direction of the wreck?
也许这是一只巨大的充气手，手指指向实际沉没地点相反的方向？
（译者：不是不可能，挺聪明的误导性指示）
Perhaps a giant inflatable hand with a finger pointing in the opposite direction of the wreck?
也许这是一只巨大的充气手，手指指向实际沉没地点相反的方向？
（译者：不是不可能，挺聪明的误导性指示）
NavySubNuke Joe S.
You can still learn a lot from the pieces left after any self destruct. Not to mention the negative performance implications of carrying around extra pounds of explosives on every single flight just in case you ditch somewhere where an easy recovery isn't possible and the plane is intact.
You'd spend tens of millions of dollars developing and testing a system that is of very limited utility but has all sorts of drawbacks --- especially if it goes off when it shouldn't. Then of course comes the added cost of procuring and sustaining it throughout the life of the plane.
你仍然可以从任何自毁后留下的碎片中学到很多东西。 更不用说在每次飞行中携带额外几磅（用于自毁的）炸药对性能带来的负面影响，以防万一在无法顺利恢复而且飞机仍旧完好无损的情况下弃机。
你会花费数千万美元来开发和测试一个实用性非常有限但有各种缺点的系统——尤其是如果它在不应该发生的时候发生故障。 然后当然是在飞机的整个生命周期内采购和维持它的额外成本。
You can still learn a lot from the pieces left after any self destruct. Not to mention the negative performance implications of carrying around extra pounds of explosives on every single flight just in case you ditch somewhere where an easy recovery isn't possible and the plane is intact.
You'd spend tens of millions of dollars developing and testing a system that is of very limited utility but has all sorts of drawbacks --- especially if it goes off when it shouldn't. Then of course comes the added cost of procuring and sustaining it throughout the life of the plane.
你仍然可以从任何自毁后留下的碎片中学到很多东西。 更不用说在每次飞行中携带额外几磅（用于自毁的）炸药对性能带来的负面影响，以防万一在无法顺利恢复而且飞机仍旧完好无损的情况下弃机。
你会花费数千万美元来开发和测试一个实用性非常有限但有各种缺点的系统——尤其是如果它在不应该发生的时候发生故障。 然后当然是在飞机的整个生命周期内采购和维持它的额外成本。
Donald Carey Joe S
If nothing else, sea water is pretty good at ruining aircraft immersed in it.
如果不出意外，海水非常擅长破坏浸入其中的飞机。
If nothing else, sea water is pretty good at ruining aircraft immersed in it.
如果不出意外，海水非常擅长破坏浸入其中的飞机。
David B. Brown jetcal1
In the 70's we would often watch from the fantail. And my Avionics shop was on the 03 level, and the aft portion of the shop was the round down. And one day an F-14 main mount cracked our roof. Good times.
在 70 年代，我们经常从航母上的扇尾区观赏景色。 我的航空电子设备工作间在 03 层，工作间尾部是圆形的。有一天，一架降落过程中的F-14把它的主起落架撞上了我们的屋顶。 真是一段美好的时光。
In the 70's we would often watch from the fantail. And my Avionics shop was on the 03 level, and the aft portion of the shop was the round down. And one day an F-14 main mount cracked our roof. Good times.
在 70 年代，我们经常从航母上的扇尾区观赏景色。 我的航空电子设备工作间在 03 层，工作间尾部是圆形的。有一天，一架降落过程中的F-14把它的主起落架撞上了我们的屋顶。 真是一段美好的时光。
jetcal1 David B. Brown
For us, fantail was off limits during recovery. The relatively few times that we worked an engine on the cell during recovery required permission from the Bridge.
对我们来说，扇尾区在维修期间是禁区。 在维修过程中，我们在自己的单元上即使进行相对较短时的发动机运行也必须要得到来自舰桥上的许可。
For us, fantail was off limits during recovery. The relatively few times that we worked an engine on the cell during recovery required permission from the Bridge.
对我们来说，扇尾区在维修期间是禁区。 在维修过程中，我们在自己的单元上即使进行相对较短时的发动机运行也必须要得到来自舰桥上的许可。
Dodo
Rather than help, sailors took photos and post on social media to boast to friend.
What a Navy!
水手们没有提供帮助，而是拍照并发布到社交媒体上以便向朋友们吹嘘。
这算什么海军！
Rather than help, sailors took photos and post on social media to boast to friend.
What a Navy!
水手们没有提供帮助，而是拍照并发布到社交媒体上以便向朋友们吹嘘。
这算什么海军！
TDog Dodo
To be fair, jumping in and swimming for it wasn't really an option. ;-)
公平地说，跳下去游泳并不是一个真正正确的选择。 ;-)
To be fair, jumping in and swimming for it wasn't really an option. ;-)
公平地说，跳下去游泳并不是一个真正正确的选择。 ;-)
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