真好笑,一个最多3.3亿人的国家比一个13亿人的国家多产生了两倍的污染
2022-10-19 兰陵笑笑生 17118
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Funny how a country full of 330 million people is producing double the amount of pollution than a country of 1.3 billion people

真好笑,一个最多3.3亿人的国家比一个13亿人的国家多产生了两倍的污染

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MorseSource
In the US it is common to keep the electronics on while people go out for hours and here my mother would slap me silly if I leave the room with lights on. Even someday, when we are more advanced and richer than the US we won't be as wasteful.
It's a cultural thing.

在美国,人们外出时开着电子产品是很常见的,在这里,如果我离开房间时开着灯,我妈妈会把我打傻。即使有一天,当我们比美国更先进、更富有时,我们也不会像美国那样浪费。
这是个文化问题。

terribleatlying4real
So true. My US born daughter keeps getting on my and wife’s nerves often with her wasteful spend of resources. Faucet keeps running while she brushes her teeth, shower runs for ten minutes empty because she is waiting for the water to heat, even though it takes less than 30 seconds for the water to get from the heater, and don’t even get me started about the lights. When she is home, all the lights are on in the 4500 sft home and at least two TVs running. And she has the audacity to ridicule me and my wife as cheapskates. Arrggghhhh..

太对了。我在美国出生的女儿经常因为浪费资源而让我和妻子感到不安。她刷牙的时候水龙头一直开着,洗澡的时候要开着十分钟,因为她在等待水的加热,尽管水从加热器出来只需要不到30秒,甚至不要让我开始说灯的问题。当她在家时,4500平方英尺的房子里所有的灯都亮着,至少有两台电视在运行。她还厚颜无耻地嘲笑我和我妻子是小气鬼。呃啊啊啊......

MorseSource
Do what my mother did, slap her silly, it works.

照我妈的做法,给她一巴掌,行得通

guitarist_on_reddit
Yes ofc, slap your child. Make sure you leave her half dead. Don't make the mistake of having a conversation with her. Just go straight to abuse. And make sure you do that enough for decades to spoil her childhood.
/S

是的,打你的孩子。确保打得她半死不活。不要犯与她交谈的错误。直接去虐吧。并确保你做到足以让她带着童年阴影几十年。
(狗头)
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Fickle_Credit_8863
It will make her strong /s

这将使她变得强大(狗头)

Ashb0rn3_
You know, physical punishments are quite effective. You should use them whenever you can.
/s

是的,大家都知道,体罚是相当有效的。只要有机会,你就应该使用它们。
(狗头)

MorseSource
If I ever had a daughter, especially white, I will make sure she understands if I ever used force to discipline her it comes from a place of love and care. I know perfectly well, my mother didn't hit me, when she did, out of spite or a hair more than necessary.
P.S. Just to be clear 'why especially white' was not because I hate white people or anything. It is just more likely in my case that I may have a white kid instead of African or Asian, who tend to be more mindful of wastage than other white kids in comparison.
I was at a vegetarian restaurant in Burbank, where I saw a family of 4, order food worth 12 people and then ate a few fries and drank juice and as they left, the youngest child dumped the rest of the food in the bin.
Fucking unbelievable.

如果我有一个女儿,特别是白人,我会确保她明白,如果我曾经使用武力来管教她,那是出于爱和关怀。我非常清楚,我的母亲要么不打我,当她打我的时候,是出于怨恨或超过必要限度的。
P.S.说明一下为什么说“特别是白人”并不是因为我讨厌白人或其他什么。只是在我的情况下,我可能有一个白人孩子,而不是非洲人或亚洲人,相比之下,他们往往比其他孩子更浪费。
我在伯班克的一家素食餐厅,看到一个四口之家,点了12人份的食物,然后吃了几根薯条,喝了果汁,当他们离开时,最小的孩子把剩下的食物倒进了垃圾桶。
真他妈的难以置信。

gmehtaster
e brushes her teeth, shower runs for ten minutes empty because she is waiting for the water to heat, even though it takes less than 30 seconds for the water to get from the heater, and don’t even get me started about the lights. When she is home, all the lights are on in the 4500 sft home and at least two TVs running. And she has the audacity to ridicule me and my wife as chea
Maybe you haven't taught her well then. I keep emphasizing to my 5 year old not to waste water. Teach them early and it gets into their minds. Luckily here in California, we keep hearing about drought.

“她刷牙的时候,......”
也许是你没有教好她。我一直对我5岁的孩子强调不要浪费水。早点教他们,就能进入他们的头脑。幸运的是,在加州,我们不断听到关于干旱的消息。

erribleatlying4real
Dude, I too live in CA. When your daughter turns a teenager, I want you to come back and tell me how much your teachings will hold. As much as you think you raise your daughter, your surroundings raise too. Anyway, anything that I say now will sound foolish. When your daughter turns a teenager and excels at 99 things that other kids have trouble with, I would like to see how much you will beat (figuratively) her up on that one thing that she fails your expectations on.

老兄,我也住在加州。当你的女儿变成十几岁的青少年时,你再回来告诉我,你的教育会多有用。就像你认为你教育了你的女儿一样,你周围的环境也在影响她。总之,我现在说的任何话听起来都是愚蠢的。但是当你的女儿长到十几岁,在其他孩子难以做到的99件事情上都表现出色时,我想看看你会在她未能达到你期望的那件事情上打她多少(象征性的)。

gmehtaster
Agree and I should take back my statement. Your experience is much more in raising kid (in terms of years) than mine so you might be right. Never know how kids will shape up despite our best efforts.

同意,我应该收回我的说法。你在养育孩子方面的经验(以年为单位)比我多得多,所以你可能是对的。尽管我们做出了最大的努力,但永远不知道孩子们会如何成长。

terribleatlying4real
I’m 50 and almost every single one of my classmates who are in Us (over 40 among 60 total) have 15+ old kids and the story is universal. Our childhood back home in india - we were surrounded by strong family structures, gatherings with kids during festivals and functions where the grand parent generation was active and kids learnt many social skills from other kids, other families, etc.
In the US, our kids spend most of the time with parents - show me one kid in your circle who is afraid of his/her dad? Most of us in india used to shit bricks in the presence of dad. This is a different world - respect and fear aren’t coming from a position of power but from a position of influence - it’s both good and bad. Good in the sense that kids don’t take shit from anyone just because they are in a position of power (most of us who grew up in india still yield to power and play gulamgiri). Bad in the sense that your ability to influence is rather limited because internet has lot more trustworthy information. They are too young to understand your wisdom that you squired over many years. So, the salvation of all of us who get dejected by teenage kids is in the later years when they will appreciate the practical knowledge we have is unmatched. So you play along helping them whenever or wherever - nudging to course correct.
I didn’t have as much maturity as my daughter when I was her age - heck, I feel she has more maturity than me at my current age - so what if she is wasteful in a few things - that’s not the end of the world - she more than compensates for it in many aspects.

我今年已经50岁了,我几乎每个在美国的同学(总共 60 人中超过 40 人)都有 15 岁以上的孩子,这个故事很普遍。我们在印度老家的童年--我们被强大的家庭结构所包围,在节日和活动期间与孩子们聚会,祖父母一代很活跃,孩子们从其他孩子和其他家庭那里学到了许多社交技能,等等。
在美国,我们的孩子大部分时间都和父母在一起——让我看看你圈子里有一个害怕他/她父亲的孩子吗?我们大多数印度人过去常常在爸爸面前大气都不敢出。这是一个不同的世界——尊重和恐惧不是来自权力,而是来自影响力——这既是好事也是坏事。好的方面是,孩子们不会因为他人处于权力地位就接受任何人对他们颐指气使(我们大多数在印度长大的人仍然会在权力面前屈服并表现得像奴隶)。糟糕的方面是,你的影响能力相当有限,因为互联网有更多值得信赖的信息。他们太年轻了,无法理解你多年来积累的智慧。所以,我们所有这些被十几岁的孩子看轻的人的救赎是在晚年,他们终于会欣赏我们所拥有的实用知识是无可比拟的。因此,无论何时何地,你都要配合帮助他们--点拨他们纠正方向。
我在我女儿这个年龄的时候没有她那么成熟--哈,我觉得她比我现在这个年龄都更成熟--如果她在一些事情上浪费了,那又如何--这不是世界末日--她在很多方面都能弥补这一点。

Curvature_of_Time
Modern electronics is designed to be on all the time. That’s not the reason US spends so much energy. But keeping heating, air conditioning on unnecessarily can burn tons of energy

现代电子产品就是被设计成一直开着的。这并不是美国花费这么多能源的原因。但是,不必要地开着暖气、空调确实会燃烧大量的能源。

MorseSource
Modern electronics is designed to be on all the time.
I doubt it, my apartment had a washer dryer from the 70s and a fridge from the 1950s and when I tried replacing them the maintenance guy told me not to because, he said, they are way superior to anything made today.
And I see why, especially the smart chip or digitally controlled devices, as they can stop working even with a little bit of voltage fluctuations and exteme heat or cold.

“现代电子产品被设计成一直开着的。”
我对此表示怀疑,我的公寓里有一台70年代的洗衣烘干机和一台50年代的冰箱,当我试图更换它们时,维修人员告诉我不要这样做,因为他说,它们比今天制造的任何东西都要优越。
我明白为什么,尤其是智能芯片或数控设备,因为即使有一点电压波动和过热或过冷,它们也会停止工作。

Curvature_of_Time
Modern electronics are orders of magnitude more efficient than old electronics. A modern led light or a TV, laptop, phone runs on minuscule amount of energy especially when idle. Washers and fridges are not completely electronics and I was not talking about them. Also. Modern electronics that run on switched mode power supply are very resilient to voltage fluctuations. Heat and cold shouldn’t bother them much more than older devices.
By the way One reason, maintenance guys hate modern devices is because they are hard to repair. Companies these days try to make everything small, compact and integrated and as a result the products are not easily repairable by anyone. But They are not really inferior.
I’m an electrical engineer.

现代电子产品比老式电子产品的效率要高得多。一个现代的LED灯或电视、笔记本电脑、手机运行的能量微乎其微,尤其是在闲置时。洗衣机和冰箱不完全是电子产品,我不是在谈论它们。另外。可以切换电源供应模式的现代电子产品对电压波动有很强的弹性。热和冷对它们来说不会比老式设备更困扰。
顺便说一下,维修人员讨厌现代设备的一个原因是它们很难维修。现在的公司试图把所有东西都做得很小,很紧凑,很集成,因此,产品不容易被人修理。但它们并不是真的低劣。
我是一名电气工程师。

kadakpav
This was a big cultural shock to me, I see the mall's and shops here just forget to shut down their lights after hours and on holidays.

这对我来说是一个很大的文化冲击,我老是看到这里的商场和商店在下班后和节假日时忘记关灯。

laugh-chuckle-giggle
Hmm may be not cultural. It's a country of plenty and they don't know what the scarcity of electricity looks like. They have their ACs most of the time because it takes a lot more electricity to switch it on and off regularly. We sure will be as wasteful as them when we get there. It's already happening in large tier 1 cities.

嗯...可能不是文化问题。这是一个富足的国家,他们不知道电力的稀缺是什么样子。他们大部分时间都开着空调,因为定期开关空调需要耗费大量的电力。当我们到达那种地步时,我们肯定会像他们一样浪费。这已经在大型一线城市发生了。

Worth_my_salt
Heard of smart devices ? Programmable AC controls? Like i said before , Indians who are reducing CO2 emissions are probably those who sleep 6 people in a room. Not smug reddit Indians.

听说过智能设备吗?可编程空调控制器呢?就像我之前说的,正在减少二氧化碳排放的印度人可能是那些在一个房间里睡6个人的人。而不是自以为是的reddit上印度人。

laugh-chuckle-giggle
I did hear about them and use them too. They don't turn off the ACs. They are always on and they regulate the temperature. Sure they are reducing those emissions and I'm not debating that. What I'm saying is that it's not cultural. Btw Indians who stay in the US do the same things the US does. Still cultural you say?

我确实听说过它们,也使用过它们。他们不关闭空调。它们始终处于开启状态并调节温度。当然,他们正在减少这些排放,我不会对此进行辩论。我要说的是,这不是文化问题。顺便说一句,留在美国的印度人做的事情和美国人一样。你说还是文化问题吗?
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Miserable_Risk_8549
They have heated driveways lol. Lump of lards are so lazy, they couldn't even be bothered to shovel the snow.

他们有加热的车道,笑。懒惰的猪们,他们甚至懒得去铲雪。

SnooSeagulls9348
To be fair, heated drive ways are not for snow. They are for black ice, which is far more dangerous.

公平地说,加热的车道不是为雪而设的。它们是用来对付黑冰的,黑冰要危险得多。

Miserable_Risk_8549
Rest of the world deals with ice and snow using appropriate tyres and footwear. I assume the excessive weight makes it hard for them to do anything.

世界上其他地方都是用适当的轮胎和鞋类来处理冰雪。我想,过重的体重使他们很难做任何事情。
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Knutt_Bustley_
Heated floors, driveways, sidewalks are much more common in Europe and Canada than the US (still not common though). And people don’t have to “just deal with” something potentially very dangerous just because others do
But you clearly just want to insult Americans

在欧洲和加拿大,加热的地板、车道、人行道比美国要普遍得多(但仍然不普遍)。而且人们不必因为别人没这样做就得和你们一样"随便应付"可能非常危险的事情。
但你显然只是想侮辱美国人

menohuman
Less than 0.1% of homes have heated driveways in America.

在美国,只有不到0.1%的家庭有加热的车道。
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MrMadras
You only have to live there for 10 days to realize how wasteful everyone is. My father visited me in 2017 and he mentioned this to me.
You just can't help but be wasteful.

你只要在那里住上10天,就会意识到每个人都是多么的浪费。我父亲在2017年访问了我,他向我提到了这一点。
住在这里你就是忍不住要浪费。

Blueink777
One of the reasons is that they have overpowered car engines. Even the cars which were built in the 1980s have much more horse power than some of the modern cars in India.Thus, they consume more fuel and produce double the amount of pollution.

其中一个原因是,他们的汽车发动机功率过大。即使是20世纪80年代制造的汽车,其马力也比印度的一些现代汽车大得多。因此,它们消耗的燃料更多,产生的污染也加倍。

Aadityasyadav
Muscle cars

肌肉车

suyash01
If you don't have your own car, you are a peasant in US

如果你没有自己的车,在美国你就是个农民。

hirshahah
Forget peasant you literally can't do anything, because everything be it your workplace or grocery store is sometimes many many KMs away so it's literally a necessity.

别说什么农民了,你基本上什么都干不了,因为所有的东西,不管是你的工作场所还是杂货店,有时都在很多很多公里之外,所以这根本就是一种刚需。

suyash01
Plus lack of public transport. The car industry killed almost all the public transportation in the US just to keep selling cars.

加上缺乏公共交通。汽车工业几乎扼杀了美国所有的公共交通,只是为了继续销售汽车。

hirshahah
Lack of PT, is a symptom of the Car dependent suburbia. Greed of the automobile industry killed almost all the US cities.

缺乏公共交通是依赖汽车的郊区的一个症状。贪婪的汽车工业几乎杀死了美国所有的城市。

hirshahah
Y'all have ACs in your house right?
Now imagine that instead of just the bedrooms and the living rooms having the AC, there is a central weather control system for controlling tempreatures in every corner of the house in almost every single US home that is constantly running, And by constantly i actually mean constantly, they don't turn that off when they go to the office, or hang out with friends. Just imagine the amount of energy they spend just for indoor tempreature control.
Almost all major US cities are geographically larger than even tier-1 Indian or european cities, every city has a dense urban core and then many kms of suburbs surrounding it, which only consist of single family homes we call bungalows in india. All the residents of these homes work in the core/downtown so they all have to commute many KMs everyday just to work, there is no public transit so even to buy some milk you will have to use the car there is literally no other option.
Even millionaires in india don't live lives as wasteful and environmentally destructive as the average murican does.

你们家都有空调吧?
现在想象一下,不是只有卧室和客厅有空调,而是在几乎每一个美国家庭的每个角落都有一个控制温度的中央天气控制系统,并且不断地运行,我说的不断是指不间断,他们去办公室或和朋友出去玩的时候不会关闭。试想一下,他们仅仅为了控制室内温度而花费的能源数量。
几乎所有的美国大城市在地理上都比印度或欧洲的一线城市大,每个城市都有一个密集的城市核心区,然后在其周围有许多公里的郊区,这些郊区只包括我们在印度称为平房的单户住宅。这些住宅的所有居民都在核心区/市中心工作,所以他们每天都要往返于许多公里之外的地方上班,没有公共交通,所以即使要买一些牛奶,你也必须使用汽车,根本没有其他选择。
即使是印度的百万富翁,也不会像普通美利坚人那样过着浪费和破坏环境的生活。

IgnobleQuetzalcoatl
It's pretty wild how virtually every top level response in this thread is just chock full of lies.

这个帖子几乎所有的高赞回复都充满了谎言,这很疯狂。

tapparvasi
You can't just say that without pointing out the lies. I'm not the OP of that comment, so would you please enlighten us as to what he's lying about?

你不能只这么说而不指出谎言。我不是发表那条评论的OP,所以请你指点一下,他到底在撒什么谎?

R4Y029
Not to mention, almost all of the manufacturing and waste disposal of US is outsourced to other countries, usually in SEA or South America.
Even then, a country with 300 million people being able to pollute this much is baffling.

更不用说,美国几乎所有的制造和废物处理都外包给其他国家,通常是在东南亚或南美洲。
即使如此,一个拥有3亿人口的国家能有如此大的污染也是令人费解的。
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IgnobleQuetzalcoatl
"Almost all"
Around 7% of US emissions are emitted outside the US.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-co2-embedded-in-trade

"几乎所有"
美国大约7%的排放量是在美国以外的地方排放的。

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-co2-embedded-in-trade
NotLameboredgajini
Also checkout the electrified railway lines in the world and see where US and Canada stands.

还可以看看世界上的电气化铁路路线,再看看美国和加拿大的情况。

abhinav248829
Railway infrastructure doesn’t make any sense with few places exceptions. US is way larger than India and people do not commute between cities that much. And cities are not as close as they are in India.

铁路这种基础设施没有任何意义,只有少数地方例外。美国比印度大得多,人们在城市之间的通勤不多。而且城市也不像印度那么近。
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ISBagent
The US has the most railroads in the world. China has half as much. China also electrified its railroads and is now $1 Trillion in debt. Not that such a number matters to the US since it’s a currency issuer and global reserve.
Also, US rail is freight based. It’s not like India where it’s mixed. Everyone in the US travels either by plane or by car. The aviation industry made railways obsolete due to connections and times- why spend days traveling when you can spend hours? Additionally a handful of elites like Paysuer and Rockefeller strong armed ownership of the railways during the transition so that they can have monopoly over freight.
US freight as a result are the most profitable railway companies in the world.

美国的铁路是世界上最多的。中国有它一半的数量。中国也实现了铁路电气化,现在有1万亿美元的债务。这样的数字对美国来说并不重要,因为它是货币发行者和全球储备货币。
此外,美国的铁路是基于货运的。它不像印度那样,是混合型的。在美国,每个人要么坐飞机,要么坐汽车。由于连接和时间问题,航空业使铁路过时了--当你可以花几个小时的时候,为什么要花几天的时间去旅行?此外,少数精英,如Paysuer和Rockefeller,在过渡时期对铁路的所有权进行了强有力的武装,这样他们就可以对货运进行垄断。
因此,美国的货运是世界上最赚钱的铁路公司。

Ultimate_Kurix
Weren't the trucks giving it competition for freight market.

卡车不是在和它竞争货运市场吗。

Orwellisright
Pollution is not directly related to population but rather to consumption i.e gdp per capita purchasing power of the people etc

污染与人口没有直接关系,而是与消费,即人民的人均购买力等有关。

suyash01
I think that what the OP is pointing out, and then again these countries will come out and say we have to reduce CO2 emissions and force it on the developing countries

我想这就是OP所指出的,然后这些国家又会出来说我们必须减少二氧化碳的排放,并把它强加给发展中国家

arealhumanbe
Who is forcing it on developing countries? Its a statement that applies to all. The less energy we use the better. For developed countries that means using less now, for developing countries that means not using so much more, later.

谁在强迫发展中国家?这是一个适用于所有国家的声明。我们使用的能源越少越好。对发达国家来说,这意味着现在少用,对发展中国家来说,这意味着以后不要再使用那么多。

suyash01
Yeah I mean the developed countries used as much as they want and now when it comes to reduction they expect equal contribution. Seems fair innit.

是的,我的意思是,发达国家当时想用多少就用多少,现在当涉及到减排时,他们希望所有人付出同等的贡献。看上去真的很公平呢。

arealhumanbe
It's a tricky thing isn't it. Because the environment doesn't give a shit about how late you joined the party. If India reaches current US per capita emissions, that's a problem, whether its fair or not. Hence the idea that developed countries should reduce, and developing countries should increase less than currently planned.

这是一个棘手的问题,不是吗?因为环境本身并不关心你加入的时间有多晚。如果印度达到目前美国的人均排放量,那就会成为一个问题,不管它是否公平。因此,发达国家应该减少,而发展中国家应该比目前的计划少增加。

suyash01
Yes I agree with your point, but the developed country should not be the one lecturing us on this.

是的,我同意你的观点,但发达国家不应该是在这方面教训我们的人。

arealhumanbe
Who's lecturing? If you agree, what's the problem? The issue is the issue, stop trying to be a victim

谁在说教?如果你同意,那还什么问题呢?问题就是问题,不要再试图成为受害者了。

suyash01
Huh, pointing out someone's hypocrisy is being a victim? Lecturing has happened in the past, if you are not aware then stop virtue signalling others.

嗯哼,指出别人的虚伪就是受害者?说教在过去已经发生了,如果你不知道,那就不要再给别人打美德牌。

Gazwa_e_Nunnu_Chamdi
this data doesn't represent reality since it's skipping industrial revolution era of west which led to excess co2

这个数据并不代表现实,因为它跳过了导致了过量二氧化碳的西方的工业革命时代。

hirshahah
It is the annual production of new CO2 by each country plotted over years.

这是每个国家每年生产的新的二氧化碳,以年为单位绘制。

Throwaway47362838
How are you gonna compare a first world country with a developing country

你怎么能把一个第一世界国家和一个发展中国家作比较呢?

VeDaNt34
Shouldn't the stats then be vice versa for that?

那么统计数字不应该是反过来的吗?

Vrishank23
But the country over 10000 million tonnes of CO2 is just mind boggling.

但某国超过 100 亿吨的二氧化碳排放,实在是令人匪夷所思。

kukdukdu
That astronomical rise in Chinese CO2 is also because it’s the US manufacturing factory! US keeps its house clean! Directly, an average American produces 9 times the waste an average Indian does. Indirectly this will be astronomical!

中国二氧化碳的那个天文数字的上升也是因为它是美国的制造工厂! 美国让自己的房子很干净! 直接来说,一个普通美国人产生的废物是一个普通印度人的9倍。间接来说,这将是一个天文数字!

dullbrowny
the most impressive dip is russia.

最令人印象深刻的是俄罗斯的下降。

Conscious_Cod_801
That’s right around the fall of the Soviet unx when Russia’s GDP dropped. These lists are much more closely tied to GDP per capita than they are to any population total, density, or climate.

那是在苏联解体前后,俄罗斯的GDP下降。这些名单与人均GDP的关系要比与任何人口总数、密度或气候的关系密切得多。

Alarming_Book_6964
avg engine size in india 1000-1200 cc avg engine size in amrika 3000-3500 hope it is clear

在印度,发动机的平均尺寸为1000-1200cc,在美国,发动机的平均尺寸为3000-3500,大家明白了吧。

kartikrao79
CO2 emission in most major countries is directly related to electricity generation so this metric is a comparison of how much more electricity per capita is generated in the US than in India.

大多数主要国家的二氧化碳排放与发电量直接相关,所以这个指标是比较美国的人均发电量比印度多多少。

Indian_Pirate
Well being poor is good for the environment.

看来贫穷对环境是有好处的。

Independent_Ad_5431
And they call out us for pollution

就这他们还骂我们污染严重
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dontstabpeople42069
It’s called being first world

这就是所谓的第一世界

Ok_Visual4618
And then USA will give guidelines to India to reduce pollution

然后美国会给印度提供如何减少污染的指导

No_Fox9998
24/7 ACs in homes/offices/businesses. Idling cars/SUVs to keep the car at a comfortable temp in winter/summer. The list goes on and on.

家庭/办公室/企业的没有停过的空调。闲置的汽车/越野车在冬季/夏季保持舒适的温度。这样的例子不胜枚举。

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