荷兰太多种族主义歧视了...我该离开吗？
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So much racism here.. should I go home?
这里太多种族主义歧视了...我该回去吗？
So much racism here.. should I go home?
这里太多种族主义歧视了...我该回去吗？
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Hi! I'm a japanese student studying from another EU country. But, the Netherlands has always been at the top of my travel bucket list. Just a few days ago I managed to come to this amazing country. It's my second here, but I've been hearing some seriously mean comments and by so many people.. Teenagers, elderly, and even a mom with her early 20s daughter. “Go back to china”, “Ching ching chong” and one teenager touched my skirt with their peers laughing.. And I know there’s a lot of nice dutch people, but no one helped me while a lot of people see this situation.
For so long, I've looked up to this place and its people and now I'm getting sorrow with negativity. I planned to stay a week, but I see no point. I am not sure but do you hate asians?
大家好！我是一名正在另一个欧盟国家留学的日本学生。但是，荷兰一直排在我旅行清单的首位。就在几天前，我设法来到了这个神奇的国家。这是我第二次来这里，但我一直听到很多人发出了一些非常刻薄的评论。青少年、老人，甚至还有一位带着 20 岁出头女儿的妈妈。 “滚回中国去”、“Ching ching chong”以及一个十几岁的孩子在同龄人的笑声中摸了摸我的裙子。我知道荷兰有很多好人，但没有人帮助我，很多人只是看着这种情况发生。
很长一段时间以来，我一直仰望着这个地方和它的人民，现在我因消极情绪而感到悲伤。我打算待一个星期，但我觉得没有意义。我不确定，但你们这么讨厌亚洲人吗？
For so long, I've looked up to this place and its people and now I'm getting sorrow with negativity. I planned to stay a week, but I see no point. I am not sure but do you hate asians?
大家好！我是一名正在另一个欧盟国家留学的日本学生。但是，荷兰一直排在我旅行清单的首位。就在几天前，我设法来到了这个神奇的国家。这是我第二次来这里，但我一直听到很多人发出了一些非常刻薄的评论。青少年、老人，甚至还有一位带着 20 岁出头女儿的妈妈。 “滚回中国去”、“Ching ching chong”以及一个十几岁的孩子在同龄人的笑声中摸了摸我的裙子。我知道荷兰有很多好人，但没有人帮助我，很多人只是看着这种情况发生。
很长一段时间以来，我一直仰望着这个地方和它的人民，现在我因消极情绪而感到悲伤。我打算待一个星期，但我觉得没有意义。我不确定，但你们这么讨厌亚洲人吗？
CucumberGoneRouge
My girlfriend is from an Asian country and experiences the same. She has people yell "Ni-Hoa!!" At her and such. It's sucks and not taken as serious as it should be. People seem to think it's not racism if you are harrasing an Asian person and I am sorry for it
我的女朋友来自亚洲国家，她也有同样的经历。人们冲她大喊“Ni-Hoa！！”诸如此类。这种行为很糟糕，但没有得到应有的重视。如果你骚扰的是一个亚洲人，人们似乎认为这不是种族主义，对此我感到抱歉
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My girlfriend is from an Asian country and experiences the same. She has people yell "Ni-Hoa!!" At her and such. It's sucks and not taken as serious as it should be. People seem to think it's not racism if you are harrasing an Asian person and I am sorry for it
我的女朋友来自亚洲国家，她也有同样的经历。人们冲她大喊“Ni-Hoa！！”诸如此类。这种行为很糟糕，但没有得到应有的重视。如果你骚扰的是一个亚洲人，人们似乎认为这不是种族主义，对此我感到抱歉
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PurplePlumpPrune
People really do that out loud? I had no idea it was this bad.
人们真的会大声喊出来吗？我不知道会这么糟糕。
People really do that out loud? I had no idea it was this bad.
人们真的会大声喊出来吗？我不知道会这么糟糕。
Afang2
As an Asian who lives in Canada and has visited some European countries, I can say that racial discrimination towards Asians exists everywhere in the West, but is more overt in some European countries than here in Canada.
In Canada, most of the time, racism towards Asians is more passive aggressive, meaning people generally don't physically or verbally attack us, but treat us differently, such as classmates totally ignoring our presence and secluding us, or cashiers smiling to people of some other origins but harsh face and no greetings or smiles when it's our turn.
In some European countries, racial discrimination can be more straight-to-the-face and borderline harassment. The Netherlands is actually not that bad in my opinion, some of your neighbouring countries are a lot worse in this aspect. I remember watching a South Korean vlogger being harassed really frequently while visiting a neighbouring country of yours. People in the restaurants doing "slanty eye" gesture towards her, people saying "ching chong" to her, a girl punching her in the face on the street, and another girl putting a sticker on her camera. And the worst part is that nobody defended her. If it was in Canada, most of the time people nearby would defend the victim and even help call the police.
作为一个居住在加拿大并去过一些欧洲国家的亚洲人，我可以说对亚洲人的种族歧视在西方无处不在，但在一些欧洲国家比在加拿大这里更为明显。
在加拿大，大多数时候，对亚裔的种族歧视更多的是消极攻击，这意味着人们通常不会对我们进行身体或言语攻击，而是以不同的方式对待我们，比如同学们完全无视我们的存在并隔离我们，或者收银员对待其他一些血统的人的时候面露微笑，但轮到我们时却面色严厉，没有问候或微笑。
在一些欧洲国家，种族歧视可能是更直接和极端的骚扰。荷兰在我看来其实没那么差，你们一些邻国在这方面还要差得多。我记得在访问你们邻国时看到一位韩国视频博主经常受到骚扰。餐馆里的人对她做拉眼皮的手势，人们对她喊“ching chong”，一个女孩走在街上被人往脸上打了一拳，另一个女孩在她的相机上贴贴纸。最糟糕的是没有人为她站出来。如果是在加拿大，很多时候附近的人都会为受害人站出来，甚至帮忙报警。
As an Asian who lives in Canada and has visited some European countries, I can say that racial discrimination towards Asians exists everywhere in the West, but is more overt in some European countries than here in Canada.
In Canada, most of the time, racism towards Asians is more passive aggressive, meaning people generally don't physically or verbally attack us, but treat us differently, such as classmates totally ignoring our presence and secluding us, or cashiers smiling to people of some other origins but harsh face and no greetings or smiles when it's our turn.
In some European countries, racial discrimination can be more straight-to-the-face and borderline harassment. The Netherlands is actually not that bad in my opinion, some of your neighbouring countries are a lot worse in this aspect. I remember watching a South Korean vlogger being harassed really frequently while visiting a neighbouring country of yours. People in the restaurants doing "slanty eye" gesture towards her, people saying "ching chong" to her, a girl punching her in the face on the street, and another girl putting a sticker on her camera. And the worst part is that nobody defended her. If it was in Canada, most of the time people nearby would defend the victim and even help call the police.
作为一个居住在加拿大并去过一些欧洲国家的亚洲人，我可以说对亚洲人的种族歧视在西方无处不在，但在一些欧洲国家比在加拿大这里更为明显。
在加拿大，大多数时候，对亚裔的种族歧视更多的是消极攻击，这意味着人们通常不会对我们进行身体或言语攻击，而是以不同的方式对待我们，比如同学们完全无视我们的存在并隔离我们，或者收银员对待其他一些血统的人的时候面露微笑，但轮到我们时却面色严厉，没有问候或微笑。
在一些欧洲国家，种族歧视可能是更直接和极端的骚扰。荷兰在我看来其实没那么差，你们一些邻国在这方面还要差得多。我记得在访问你们邻国时看到一位韩国视频博主经常受到骚扰。餐馆里的人对她做拉眼皮的手势，人们对她喊“ching chong”，一个女孩走在街上被人往脸上打了一拳，另一个女孩在她的相机上贴贴纸。最糟糕的是没有人为她站出来。如果是在加拿大，很多时候附近的人都会为受害人站出来，甚至帮忙报警。
Complete_Ad4830
As an Asian, lived in USA for 5 yrs and moved to AMS now, I can confirm it is true. And when I encountered racism in USA, passerbys were always help me out. Comparing in Europe, people around didn’t show any empathy.
作为一个亚洲人，在美国生活了 5 年，现在搬到了 AMS，我可以确认这是真的。当我在美国遇到种族主义时，路人总是帮助我。相比之下，欧洲的路人没有表现出任何同理心。
As an Asian, lived in USA for 5 yrs and moved to AMS now, I can confirm it is true. And when I encountered racism in USA, passerbys were always help me out. Comparing in Europe, people around didn’t show any empathy.
作为一个亚洲人，在美国生活了 5 年，现在搬到了 AMS，我可以确认这是真的。当我在美国遇到种族主义时，路人总是帮助我。相比之下，欧洲的路人没有表现出任何同理心。
Afang2
Yes, North Americans are more likely to intervene when they witness social injustice than Europeans. Also, North American legal system is less tolerant of racism behaviours than in most European countries. Canadian police takes racism complaints quite seriously and often label them as hate crimes, while in most parts of Europe, they don't bother investigating such cases, especially when the victim is Asian, because we have the reputation of being "docile" and are unlikely to protest, demonstrate or cause trouble.
是的，当北美人目睹社会不公时，他们比欧洲人更有可能进行干预。此外，与大多数欧洲国家相比，北美法律体系对种族主义行为的容忍度较低。加拿大警方非常重视种族主义投诉，并经常将其标记为仇恨犯罪，而在欧洲大部分地区，他们不会费心调查此类案件，尤其是当受害者是亚裔时，因为我们素有“温顺”的“美誉”，而且不太可能进行抗议、示威或制造麻烦。
Yes, North Americans are more likely to intervene when they witness social injustice than Europeans. Also, North American legal system is less tolerant of racism behaviours than in most European countries. Canadian police takes racism complaints quite seriously and often label them as hate crimes, while in most parts of Europe, they don't bother investigating such cases, especially when the victim is Asian, because we have the reputation of being "docile" and are unlikely to protest, demonstrate or cause trouble.
是的，当北美人目睹社会不公时，他们比欧洲人更有可能进行干预。此外，与大多数欧洲国家相比，北美法律体系对种族主义行为的容忍度较低。加拿大警方非常重视种族主义投诉，并经常将其标记为仇恨犯罪，而在欧洲大部分地区，他们不会费心调查此类案件，尤其是当受害者是亚裔时，因为我们素有“温顺”的“美誉”，而且不太可能进行抗议、示威或制造麻烦。
289416
lol, what are you talking about the cashiers in Canada? what part of Canada are you in bc certainly not on Toronto or Vancouver
I’ve grown up in Toronto and I have never observed any generalized, widespread racism to Asians. (and Im also mixed with Asian and Indian)
If anything, it’s Asians who are racist toward other people.
I don’t mean to be argumentative or invalidate your experience, but I couldn’t let your sweeping generalizations leave the wrong impression of Canadians.
哈哈，你在说什么加拿大的收银员？你在加拿大的哪个地方，因为肯定不是在多伦多或温哥华
我在多伦多长大，我从来没有观察到对亚洲人有任何普遍的、广泛的种族主义（我也是亚洲和印度的混血儿）。
如果有的话，那也是亚洲人对其他人有种族歧视。
我无意争论或否认你的经验，但我不能让你笼统的概括给别人对加拿大人留下错误的印象。
lol, what are you talking about the cashiers in Canada? what part of Canada are you in bc certainly not on Toronto or Vancouver
I’ve grown up in Toronto and I have never observed any generalized, widespread racism to Asians. (and Im also mixed with Asian and Indian)
If anything, it’s Asians who are racist toward other people.
I don’t mean to be argumentative or invalidate your experience, but I couldn’t let your sweeping generalizations leave the wrong impression of Canadians.
哈哈，你在说什么加拿大的收银员？你在加拿大的哪个地方，因为肯定不是在多伦多或温哥华
我在多伦多长大，我从来没有观察到对亚洲人有任何普遍的、广泛的种族主义（我也是亚洲和印度的混血儿）。
如果有的话，那也是亚洲人对其他人有种族歧视。
我无意争论或否认你的经验，但我不能让你笼统的概括给别人对加拿大人留下错误的印象。
MyStyleMyWay
you say you are indian and asian then u should know that people who are mixed with indian gene generally look indian, and indians don't face the same racism as east asians, like UK's prime minister is literally an indian, i doubt they will EVER accept an east asian as their prime minister.
你说你是印度人和亚洲人混血那么你应该知道混有印度基因的人通常看起来是印度人，印度人不会像东亚人一样面临同样的种族歧视，就像英国首相实际上是印度人一样，我怀疑他们永远不会接受一个东亚人作为他们的首相。
you say you are indian and asian then u should know that people who are mixed with indian gene generally look indian, and indians don't face the same racism as east asians, like UK's prime minister is literally an indian, i doubt they will EVER accept an east asian as their prime minister.
你说你是印度人和亚洲人混血那么你应该知道混有印度基因的人通常看起来是印度人，印度人不会像东亚人一样面临同样的种族歧视，就像英国首相实际上是印度人一样，我怀疑他们永远不会接受一个东亚人作为他们的首相。
289416
um no. Indians face just as much racism if not more than Asians. but anyways it’s not a pissing contest.
不。印度人面临着与亚洲人一样多的种族歧视。但无论如何，这不是一场比谁尿得远的比赛。
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um no. Indians face just as much racism if not more than Asians. but anyways it’s not a pissing contest.
不。印度人面临着与亚洲人一样多的种族歧视。但无论如何，这不是一场比谁尿得远的比赛。
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MyStyleMyWay
wrong, and you know that too. East asians face more discrimination in the west than indians. Like i said, you may see an indian being a prime minister of UK, but you will never see an asian. Indians get treated better than asians in the west.
错了，而且你心里也明白。东亚人在西方比印度人面临更多的歧视。就像我说的，你可能会看到印度人担任英国首相，但你永远不会看到亚洲人。在西方，印度人比亚洲人受到更好的待遇。
wrong, and you know that too. East asians face more discrimination in the west than indians. Like i said, you may see an indian being a prime minister of UK, but you will never see an asian. Indians get treated better than asians in the west.
错了，而且你心里也明白。东亚人在西方比印度人面临更多的歧视。就像我说的，你可能会看到印度人担任英国首相，但你永远不会看到亚洲人。在西方，印度人比亚洲人受到更好的待遇。
289416
here in Toronto, discrimination against Indians is openly tolerated. there was a recent thread that reddit surprisingly let stay up, accusing Indians of shitting on the beaches. and go visit any of the toronto, ontario, and canada subs and there’s a least one post or comment every week about Indians ruining the housing market, conducting mortgage fraud or immigrating in too many numbers.
在多伦多，对印度人的歧视是公开被容忍的。 reddit 上最近有一个帖子出人意料地没有被删，这个帖子指责印度人在海滩上拉屎。去参观多伦多、安大略和加拿大的任何一个板块，每周至少有一篇帖子或评论是关于印度人破坏房地产市场、进行抵押贷款欺诈或大量移民的。
（译注：这不是和你说的没有对亚洲人的种族主义歧视矛盾？）
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here in Toronto, discrimination against Indians is openly tolerated. there was a recent thread that reddit surprisingly let stay up, accusing Indians of shitting on the beaches. and go visit any of the toronto, ontario, and canada subs and there’s a least one post or comment every week about Indians ruining the housing market, conducting mortgage fraud or immigrating in too many numbers.
在多伦多，对印度人的歧视是公开被容忍的。 reddit 上最近有一个帖子出人意料地没有被删，这个帖子指责印度人在海滩上拉屎。去参观多伦多、安大略和加拿大的任何一个板块，每周至少有一篇帖子或评论是关于印度人破坏房地产市场、进行抵押贷款欺诈或大量移民的。
（译注：这不是和你说的没有对亚洲人的种族主义歧视矛盾？）
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Afang2
I'm not saying that EVERY cashier does it. I mean that there are SOME that do it. There is a fundamental difference here. Maybe you're lucky you didn't encounter anything, good for you. That does not render fake other's experiences. Toronto and Vancouver are not the best examples either. Smaller cities or suburbs with majority white residents can be vastly different.
And I never said anything about "generalized, widespread racism to Asians". You are putting words into my mouth. I merely pointed out that there are SOME people who hold racist opinions towards other races. But more in a "I don't want to harass them in any way, but nor do I want to interact with them at all unless absolutely necessary" way. I've seen students who only talk to fellow white classmates in university. And I've come across people under 35 who grew up in Toronto and have hundreds of friends on FB but not one Asian. How is that even possible? But they are not overt racists because they don't harass others. I'm not saying these people are omnipresent in Canada. I'm saying they exist.
我并不是说“每一个”收银员都是这样。我的意思是有些人会这样做。这里有一个根本的区别。也许你很幸运，你没有遇到任何歧视性的事情，挺好的。但这并不能否认他人的经历。多伦多和温哥华也不是最好的例子。以白人居民为主的小城市或郊区可能大不相同。
而且我从来没有说过“对亚洲人普遍的、广泛的种族主义”。你把话塞进我嘴里。我只是指出有些人对其他种族持有种族主义观点。但更多的是“我不想以任何方式骚扰他们，但除非绝对必要，否则我根本不想与他们互动”。我见过在大学里只和白人同学交谈的学生。我遇到过 35 岁以下的人，他们在多伦多长大，在 FB 上有数百个朋友，但没有一个亚洲人。这怎么可能呢？但他们不是公开的种族主义者，因为他们不骚扰他人。我并不是说这些人在加拿大无所不在。我是说他们存在。
I'm not saying that EVERY cashier does it. I mean that there are SOME that do it. There is a fundamental difference here. Maybe you're lucky you didn't encounter anything, good for you. That does not render fake other's experiences. Toronto and Vancouver are not the best examples either. Smaller cities or suburbs with majority white residents can be vastly different.
And I never said anything about "generalized, widespread racism to Asians". You are putting words into my mouth. I merely pointed out that there are SOME people who hold racist opinions towards other races. But more in a "I don't want to harass them in any way, but nor do I want to interact with them at all unless absolutely necessary" way. I've seen students who only talk to fellow white classmates in university. And I've come across people under 35 who grew up in Toronto and have hundreds of friends on FB but not one Asian. How is that even possible? But they are not overt racists because they don't harass others. I'm not saying these people are omnipresent in Canada. I'm saying they exist.
我并不是说“每一个”收银员都是这样。我的意思是有些人会这样做。这里有一个根本的区别。也许你很幸运，你没有遇到任何歧视性的事情，挺好的。但这并不能否认他人的经历。多伦多和温哥华也不是最好的例子。以白人居民为主的小城市或郊区可能大不相同。
而且我从来没有说过“对亚洲人普遍的、广泛的种族主义”。你把话塞进我嘴里。我只是指出有些人对其他种族持有种族主义观点。但更多的是“我不想以任何方式骚扰他们，但除非绝对必要，否则我根本不想与他们互动”。我见过在大学里只和白人同学交谈的学生。我遇到过 35 岁以下的人，他们在多伦多长大，在 FB 上有数百个朋友，但没有一个亚洲人。这怎么可能呢？但他们不是公开的种族主义者，因为他们不骚扰他人。我并不是说这些人在加拿大无所不在。我是说他们存在。
Iwamoto
"People seem to think it's not racism if you are harassing anyone who's not white and dutch"
maybe a little harsh, but man, in my 30+ years living in NL (brabant) one thing i really noticed when interacting with people outside of my bubble, so non-NL people, is that NL is just extremely racist but no one knows because we all are and it's just a thing you don't "notice" unless pointed out. and obviously "het was maar een geintje, moet kunnen toch?", the classic victim blaming. where you blame the victim to make yourself not feel bad/guilty.
“如果你骚扰任何不是白人和荷兰人的人，人们似乎认为这不是种族主义”
可能有点苛刻，但是伙计，在我生活在尼德兰（布拉班特）的 30 多年里，当我与圈外的人（非尼德兰人）互动时，我注意到的一件事是尼德兰人确实是极端的种族主义者，但没人知道，因为我们都是，除非被指出，否则你不会“注意到”这件事。显然“这只是一个玩笑，无伤大雅，对吗？”，经典的对受害者指责。你责怪受害者就可以让自己不感到难过/内疚。
"People seem to think it's not racism if you are harassing anyone who's not white and dutch"
maybe a little harsh, but man, in my 30+ years living in NL (brabant) one thing i really noticed when interacting with people outside of my bubble, so non-NL people, is that NL is just extremely racist but no one knows because we all are and it's just a thing you don't "notice" unless pointed out. and obviously "het was maar een geintje, moet kunnen toch?", the classic victim blaming. where you blame the victim to make yourself not feel bad/guilty.
“如果你骚扰任何不是白人和荷兰人的人，人们似乎认为这不是种族主义”
可能有点苛刻，但是伙计，在我生活在尼德兰（布拉班特）的 30 多年里，当我与圈外的人（非尼德兰人）互动时，我注意到的一件事是尼德兰人确实是极端的种族主义者，但没人知道，因为我们都是，除非被指出，否则你不会“注意到”这件事。显然“这只是一个玩笑，无伤大雅，对吗？”，经典的对受害者指责。你责怪受害者就可以让自己不感到难过/内疚。
stingraycharles
I agree with everything you said, except that that isn’t really victim blaming. It’s just pure ignorance and stupidity.
I have an Asian wife, and the first reaction my friends had was “sucky sucky 10 dollar” referencing Southpark’s episode of Cartman being a Vietnamese prostitute. That kind of racist stuff doesn’t fly for any other culture than Asians, I don’t know what’s up, I think Asians in general are less vocal about their rights.
我同意你所说的一切，只是那并不是对受害者的指责。这只是纯粹的无知和愚蠢。
我有一个亚洲妻子，我的朋友们的第一反应是“sucky sucky 10 美元”，指的是《南方公园》中卡曼当越南妓女的那一集。这种种族主义的东西不会对亚洲人以外的任何其他文化显露，我不知道这是怎么回事，我认为亚洲人一般对他们的权利不太重视。
I agree with everything you said, except that that isn’t really victim blaming. It’s just pure ignorance and stupidity.
I have an Asian wife, and the first reaction my friends had was “sucky sucky 10 dollar” referencing Southpark’s episode of Cartman being a Vietnamese prostitute. That kind of racist stuff doesn’t fly for any other culture than Asians, I don’t know what’s up, I think Asians in general are less vocal about their rights.
我同意你所说的一切，只是那并不是对受害者的指责。这只是纯粹的无知和愚蠢。
我有一个亚洲妻子，我的朋友们的第一反应是“sucky sucky 10 美元”，指的是《南方公园》中卡曼当越南妓女的那一集。这种种族主义的东西不会对亚洲人以外的任何其他文化显露，我不知道这是怎么回事，我认为亚洲人一般对他们的权利不太重视。
Milk_Mindless
I feel like racism towards Asians is the most acceptable one here.
I wish we were better, sorry
我觉得对亚洲人的种族歧视是这里最能接受的。
我希望我们能做得更好，对不起
I feel like racism towards Asians is the most acceptable one here.
I wish we were better, sorry
我觉得对亚洲人的种族歧视是这里最能接受的。
我希望我们能做得更好，对不起
Tasty-Evening7916
I think the hate against Indians are the most acceptable one. People make fun of indian people calling them a scammer or a Microsoft agent all the time.
我认为对印度人的仇恨是最容易接受的。人们取笑印度人，总是称他们为骗子或微软代理人。
I think the hate against Indians are the most acceptable one. People make fun of indian people calling them a scammer or a Microsoft agent all the time.
我认为对印度人的仇恨是最容易接受的。人们取笑印度人，总是称他们为骗子或微软代理人。
Milk_Mindless
Not to be "that guy" but Indians are also asian
不是你回复的那个人，但印度人也是亚洲人
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Not to be "that guy" but Indians are also asian
不是你回复的那个人，但印度人也是亚洲人
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Livinginabox1973
They are also pretty racist too
而且他们也很种族主义
They are also pretty racist too
而且他们也很种族主义
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DesperateWelder7481
Technically Chinese, Korean and Japanese are "East" asians.
从技术上讲，中国人、韩国人和日本人是“东”亚人。
DesperateWelder7481
Technically Chinese, Korean and Japanese are "East" asians.
从技术上讲，中国人、韩国人和日本人是“东”亚人。
Cease-the-means
My observation of racism in NL, including amongst well educated professional colleagues, is that the Dutch really have these strong stereotypical ideas of what each nationality/ethnicity is like. I think it's part of the whole Dutch need to conform and all be the same, like a shared joke. So someone will make the same old lazy "all Morrocans are drugsdealers" or "Sambal bij?" comment and because it's a shared thing that everyone knows all the Dutch people laugh along with it to fit in... while the international people look at each other uncomfortably and can't believe they are hearing this shit.
To me the Netherlands is like the UK when I was growing up in the 80s, when people would call each other paki/spaz/poof/darkie and worse without even thinking about it.. I think the UK has changed a lot since then and people are much more aware of what is racist or not. The Netherlands has not.
以我对荷兰种族主义的观察，包括受过良好教育的专业的同事，可以确定荷兰人对每个民族/种族都有这种强烈的刻板印象。我认为这是整个荷兰人社会准则的一部分，并且（刻板印象的内容）都是一样的，比如一个全国共享的笑话。比如有个人会说“所有摩洛哥人都是毒贩”或“Sambal bij？”这种这种老掉牙的评论，而又因为这是一个在整个荷兰都共享的笑话，每个人都知道，所以所有荷兰人都会跟着一起笑以适应社交环境……而国际人民则不安地看着对方，不敢相信他们听到了这些狗屎。
对我来说，荷兰就像我在 80 年代长大时的英国，那时人们甚至想都不会想就互相称呼 paki/spaz/poof/darkie 甚至更糟。我认为英国从那时起发生了很大变化，人们更清楚什么是种族主义与否。荷兰没有。
My observation of racism in NL, including amongst well educated professional colleagues, is that the Dutch really have these strong stereotypical ideas of what each nationality/ethnicity is like. I think it's part of the whole Dutch need to conform and all be the same, like a shared joke. So someone will make the same old lazy "all Morrocans are drugsdealers" or "Sambal bij?" comment and because it's a shared thing that everyone knows all the Dutch people laugh along with it to fit in... while the international people look at each other uncomfortably and can't believe they are hearing this shit.
To me the Netherlands is like the UK when I was growing up in the 80s, when people would call each other paki/spaz/poof/darkie and worse without even thinking about it.. I think the UK has changed a lot since then and people are much more aware of what is racist or not. The Netherlands has not.
以我对荷兰种族主义的观察，包括受过良好教育的专业的同事，可以确定荷兰人对每个民族/种族都有这种强烈的刻板印象。我认为这是整个荷兰人社会准则的一部分，并且（刻板印象的内容）都是一样的，比如一个全国共享的笑话。比如有个人会说“所有摩洛哥人都是毒贩”或“Sambal bij？”这种这种老掉牙的评论，而又因为这是一个在整个荷兰都共享的笑话，每个人都知道，所以所有荷兰人都会跟着一起笑以适应社交环境……而国际人民则不安地看着对方，不敢相信他们听到了这些狗屎。
对我来说，荷兰就像我在 80 年代长大时的英国，那时人们甚至想都不会想就互相称呼 paki/spaz/poof/darkie 甚至更糟。我认为英国从那时起发生了很大变化，人们更清楚什么是种族主义与否。荷兰没有。
RandomCentipede387
Dutchies can be really tribal, man. I couldn't believe when I was told that there are so many different ethno-regional (I don't know how to call it) groups here, in this tiny country of 17 milion people and that for example Brabanders and Hollanders often find each other ridiculous. That people laugh at Limburgish accent. Stuff like this. I guess those shitty jokes are also an excercise in group building. After all, you end up with Us joking about Them.
On the other hand, it's not really different in my country of origin, really. People can get a nihao there as well, 100%.
荷兰人真的很部落，伙计。当我被告知在这个只有 1700 万人口的小国，竟然有这么多不同的民族地区（我不知道该怎么称呼）群体时，我简直不敢相信，例如布拉班特人和荷兰人经常觉得对方很可笑。而双方又都会嘲笑林堡的口音。诸如此类。我想那些低俗的笑话也是社交环境的一种。毕竟，这种谈话总是会以“我们”笑话“他们”来结束。
另一方面，这在我的祖国并没有什么不同，真的。人们也会在那里被冲着喊“ni hao”，100%。
Dutchies can be really tribal, man. I couldn't believe when I was told that there are so many different ethno-regional (I don't know how to call it) groups here, in this tiny country of 17 milion people and that for example Brabanders and Hollanders often find each other ridiculous. That people laugh at Limburgish accent. Stuff like this. I guess those shitty jokes are also an excercise in group building. After all, you end up with Us joking about Them.
On the other hand, it's not really different in my country of origin, really. People can get a nihao there as well, 100%.
荷兰人真的很部落，伙计。当我被告知在这个只有 1700 万人口的小国，竟然有这么多不同的民族地区（我不知道该怎么称呼）群体时，我简直不敢相信，例如布拉班特人和荷兰人经常觉得对方很可笑。而双方又都会嘲笑林堡的口音。诸如此类。我想那些低俗的笑话也是社交环境的一种。毕竟，这种谈话总是会以“我们”笑话“他们”来结束。
另一方面，这在我的祖国并没有什么不同，真的。人们也会在那里被冲着喊“ni hao”，100%。
Cease-the-means
Yeah, it actually really helped me to realise that Dutch people can be like this with other Dutch people too. :)
Foreigners complain about how hard it is to integrate into their local community in the Netherlands. But it's not even about what country or culture you come from, someone from Brabant has the same experience in Holland! Personally I love living here because I always felt like an outsider, even in my own country, and here EVERYONE is an outsider so you can just accept and enjoy it ...
是的，它真的帮助我意识到荷兰人也可以对其他荷兰人这样（地域歧视）。 :)
外国人抱怨融入荷兰当地社区有多么困难。但这甚至与你来自哪个国家或文化无关，来自布拉班特的人在荷兰也有同样的经历！就个人而言，我喜欢住在这里，因为我总觉得自己像个局外人，即使在我自己的国家，这里的每个人都是局外人，所以你可以就那么接受并享受它......
Yeah, it actually really helped me to realise that Dutch people can be like this with other Dutch people too. :)
Foreigners complain about how hard it is to integrate into their local community in the Netherlands. But it's not even about what country or culture you come from, someone from Brabant has the same experience in Holland! Personally I love living here because I always felt like an outsider, even in my own country, and here EVERYONE is an outsider so you can just accept and enjoy it ...
是的，它真的帮助我意识到荷兰人也可以对其他荷兰人这样（地域歧视）。 :)
外国人抱怨融入荷兰当地社区有多么困难。但这甚至与你来自哪个国家或文化无关，来自布拉班特的人在荷兰也有同样的经历！就个人而言，我喜欢住在这里，因为我总觉得自己像个局外人，即使在我自己的国家，这里的每个人都是局外人，所以你可以就那么接受并享受它......
medicated_kitten
Yeah I'm 31 and from the UK, living in NL and i find it jarring when my SO says some racist stuff like that. Sometimes i get annoyed as i don't understand how hard it is to just... not say that stuff? He is not actively mean or hateful to other ethnicities but I guess it's more "acceptable" here. But yeah you are right about the UK about 15 to 20 years ago we would say words like paki, spaz, retard, gay as an insult etc. But culture gradually changed and that would be a lot less likely to be heard now. I would certainly not be saying them anymore. Not completely though of course still plenty of bigots there for sure.
是的，我31岁，来自英国，住在尼德兰，当我的 SO （译注：没想到是什么词的缩写）说一些类似种族主义的话时，我觉得很刺耳。有时我会生气，因为我不明白……不说那些话有多难？他对其他种族并不是真的很刻薄或仇恨，但我想在这里更“可以接受”。但是，是的，大约 15 到 20 年前，你对英国的看法是正确的，我们会说 paki、spaz、retard、gay 等词作为一种侮辱。但是文化逐渐改变，现在已经不太可能听到这种话了。当然并不是百分百消失了。肯定还有很多偏执狂。
Yeah I'm 31 and from the UK, living in NL and i find it jarring when my SO says some racist stuff like that. Sometimes i get annoyed as i don't understand how hard it is to just... not say that stuff? He is not actively mean or hateful to other ethnicities but I guess it's more "acceptable" here. But yeah you are right about the UK about 15 to 20 years ago we would say words like paki, spaz, retard, gay as an insult etc. But culture gradually changed and that would be a lot less likely to be heard now. I would certainly not be saying them anymore. Not completely though of course still plenty of bigots there for sure.
是的，我31岁，来自英国，住在尼德兰，当我的 SO （译注：没想到是什么词的缩写）说一些类似种族主义的话时，我觉得很刺耳。有时我会生气，因为我不明白……不说那些话有多难？他对其他种族并不是真的很刻薄或仇恨，但我想在这里更“可以接受”。但是，是的，大约 15 到 20 年前，你对英国的看法是正确的，我们会说 paki、spaz、retard、gay 等词作为一种侮辱。但是文化逐渐改变，现在已经不太可能听到这种话了。当然并不是百分百消失了。肯定还有很多偏执狂。
OkExperience4361
Dutch people are racist towards asians, Indians, but also moroccans, black people, you name it. A bunch of narrow minded bigots.
荷兰人对亚洲人、印度人、摩洛哥人、黑人等种族歧视。一群心胸狭隘的偏执狂。
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Dutch people are racist towards asians, Indians, but also moroccans, black people, you name it. A bunch of narrow minded bigots.
荷兰人对亚洲人、印度人、摩洛哥人、黑人等种族歧视。一群心胸狭隘的偏执狂。
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Tasty-Evening7916
I can say that the Dutch are much more inclusive than most other European countries.
我可以说荷兰人比大多数其他欧洲国家更具包容性。
I can say that the Dutch are much more inclusive than most other European countries.
我可以说荷兰人比大多数其他欧洲国家更具包容性。
redalopex
Only on the surface tbh, I often think countries that believe that they have solved racism/sexism/ homophobia etc. kind of forget to continue to critically uate everything they do and then you end up with racial micro aggressions and sentiments like 'I fully support LGBTQ I just don't want to see them in public' kinda stuff. I definitely see way more racism directed towards Asians in the Netherlands than anywhere else I have lived or been in Europe
只是在表面上罢了，我经常认为那些认为他们已经解决了种族主义/性别歧视/恐同症等问题的国家有点忘记继续批判性地评估他们所做的一切，然后你最终会呈现出更细微的种族主义和情绪，比如“我完全支持LGBTQ我只是不想在公共场合看到他们”之类的。与我在欧洲生活或去过的其他任何地方相比，我在尼德兰明显看到了更多针对亚洲人的种族主义
Only on the surface tbh, I often think countries that believe that they have solved racism/sexism/ homophobia etc. kind of forget to continue to critically uate everything they do and then you end up with racial micro aggressions and sentiments like 'I fully support LGBTQ I just don't want to see them in public' kinda stuff. I definitely see way more racism directed towards Asians in the Netherlands than anywhere else I have lived or been in Europe
只是在表面上罢了，我经常认为那些认为他们已经解决了种族主义/性别歧视/恐同症等问题的国家有点忘记继续批判性地评估他们所做的一切，然后你最终会呈现出更细微的种族主义和情绪，比如“我完全支持LGBTQ我只是不想在公共场合看到他们”之类的。与我在欧洲生活或去过的其他任何地方相比，我在尼德兰明显看到了更多针对亚洲人的种族主义
satanic_black_metal_
Really? Id say turkish and morrocan people is waaaaaaay more accepted. I honestly cannot think of a single time i noticed anti asian bigotry BEFORE covid broke peoples brain.
真的吗？我得说对土耳其人和摩洛哥人的偏见更容易被接受。老实说，在 covid 搞坏了人们的大脑之前，我没有一次注意到过反亚裔的偏见。
Really? Id say turkish and morrocan people is waaaaaaay more accepted. I honestly cannot think of a single time i noticed anti asian bigotry BEFORE covid broke peoples brain.
真的吗？我得说对土耳其人和摩洛哥人的偏见更容易被接受。老实说，在 covid 搞坏了人们的大脑之前，我没有一次注意到过反亚裔的偏见。
MasatoWolff
I'm sorry you had to experience that. There's still a rather large category of people not seeming to realize the consequences of their words. We definitely need more education on this.
我很抱歉你不得不经历那个。仍然有相当多的人似乎没有意识到他们的话的后果。我们肯定需要更多关于这方面的教育。
I'm sorry you had to experience that. There's still a rather large category of people not seeming to realize the consequences of their words. We definitely need more education on this.
我很抱歉你不得不经历那个。仍然有相当多的人似乎没有意识到他们的话的后果。我们肯定需要更多关于这方面的教育。
Revi_____
That is despicable, and I am absolutely ashamed that people behave like that. My apologies. Even though I have nothing to do with this, I still feel like it is necessary to apologise.
I am not sure where this behaviour is coming from, in what part of the country do you stay?
这是可鄙的，我为人们的这种行为感到非常羞愧。我很抱歉。虽然这件事与我无关，但我还是觉得有必要道歉。
我不确定这种行为来自何处，您在该国的哪个地区？
That is despicable, and I am absolutely ashamed that people behave like that. My apologies. Even though I have nothing to do with this, I still feel like it is necessary to apologise.
I am not sure where this behaviour is coming from, in what part of the country do you stay?
这是可鄙的，我为人们的这种行为感到非常羞愧。我很抱歉。虽然这件事与我无关，但我还是觉得有必要道歉。
我不确定这种行为来自何处，您在该国的哪个地区？
AffectionateTouch711
OP
I am in Amsterdam and visited zaanse schans too. I know there are way more kind people in this nice country and thanks for the nice words.
我在阿姆斯特丹，也参观了赞瑟斯汉斯。我知道在这个美好的国家有更多善良的人，谢谢你的安慰。
OP
I am in Amsterdam and visited zaanse schans too. I know there are way more kind people in this nice country and thanks for the nice words.
我在阿姆斯特丹，也参观了赞瑟斯汉斯。我知道在这个美好的国家有更多善良的人，谢谢你的安慰。
Moefassa
You’re right, OP. It’s horrible to think of these occurrences but you’re right, there are many kind folks around; just shift your gaze and ignore the ignorant. Maybe repeat a mantra like “This is YOUR problem, not mine” to yourself. I hope you’ll still be able to make the best of your stay
你是对的，OP。这些事情很可怕，但你是对的，周围有很多好心人；只需转移你的目光，忽略无知的人。也许对自己重复一句“这是你的问题，不是我的”这样的咒语。我希望您仍然能够充分享受您的旅程
You’re right, OP. It’s horrible to think of these occurrences but you’re right, there are many kind folks around; just shift your gaze and ignore the ignorant. Maybe repeat a mantra like “This is YOUR problem, not mine” to yourself. I hope you’ll still be able to make the best of your stay
你是对的，OP。这些事情很可怕，但你是对的，周围有很多好心人；只需转移你的目光，忽略无知的人。也许对自己重复一句“这是你的问题，不是我的”这样的咒语。我希望您仍然能够充分享受您的旅程
Baarsjes
Amsterdam is the most multi cultural place in the entire Netherlands. If you’ve experienced it there my guess would be that it’d only be worse in other parts of the country
阿姆斯特丹是整个荷兰最具多元文化的地方。如果你在那里经历过这种事情，我猜在这个国家的其他地方只会更糟
Amsterdam is the most multi cultural place in the entire Netherlands. If you’ve experienced it there my guess would be that it’d only be worse in other parts of the country
阿姆斯特丹是整个荷兰最具多元文化的地方。如果你在那里经历过这种事情，我猜在这个国家的其他地方只会更糟
VirtualLife76
Don't compare Amsterdam to NL. It's like comparing mainland Okinawa to Japan. Both vastly different than the rest of the country.
Japan and NL are a couple of my fav countries, but I'm white so can't comment on the racism. Honestly sad to hear.
Side note, be sure to try stroopwaffels while you are there.
不要将阿姆斯特丹与尼德兰进行比较。这就像将冲绳与日本进行比较。两者都与该国其他地区截然不同。
日本和尼德兰是我最喜欢的两个国家，但我是白人所以不能对种族主义作出评论。老实说，听了很难过。
顺便说一下，一定要在你在那里的时候尝尝斯特罗普华夫饼。
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Don't compare Amsterdam to NL. It's like comparing mainland Okinawa to Japan. Both vastly different than the rest of the country.
Japan and NL are a couple of my fav countries, but I'm white so can't comment on the racism. Honestly sad to hear.
Side note, be sure to try stroopwaffels while you are there.
不要将阿姆斯特丹与尼德兰进行比较。这就像将冲绳与日本进行比较。两者都与该国其他地区截然不同。
日本和尼德兰是我最喜欢的两个国家，但我是白人所以不能对种族主义作出评论。老实说，听了很难过。
顺便说一下，一定要在你在那里的时候尝尝斯特罗普华夫饼。
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shaohtsai
Sorry, but Amsterdam is in the Netherlands. It's the capital and most populated city, Dutch postcard to the world, a major European hub and tourist attraction, and according to recent data, it has a majority Dutch population. It's really easy to try to denounce a place or distance it from the rest of the country every time negative attention is brought to it. However, no matter how much people try to do it, the fact is it will continue to not only be an integral part of the country, it'll remain representative at a large scale.
Some people may believe that Amsterdam doesn't accurately represent the Netherlands or that it sets itself apart too much from the rest of the country - the same is said of Berlin, for example -, but there's always historical reasons for this. I'd rather see people claim a place and own up to mistakes committed there rather than try to pass it off as someone else's problem as if it's just an appendage they'd get rid off if they could.
抱歉，阿姆斯特丹在尼德兰。它是首都和人口最多的城市，是尼德兰走向世界的明信片，是欧洲的主要枢纽和旅游胜地，根据最近的数据，它拥有尼德兰的大部分人口。每当一个地方造成负面影响时，大家很喜欢做的是只谴责这个地方或使其与该国其他地区割席。然而，无论有多少人尝试这样做，事实是它不仅会继续成为国家不可分割的一部分，而且在更大范围内依然更有代表性。
有些人可能认为阿姆斯特丹并不能准确地代表尼德兰，或者它与该国其他地区的区别太大——例如柏林也是如此——但这总是有历史原因的。我宁愿看到人们声称拥有一个地方并承认在那里犯下的错误，而不是试图把它当作是别人的问题来推脱，就好像它只是一个累赘，如果可以的话他们会摆脱掉。
Sorry, but Amsterdam is in the Netherlands. It's the capital and most populated city, Dutch postcard to the world, a major European hub and tourist attraction, and according to recent data, it has a majority Dutch population. It's really easy to try to denounce a place or distance it from the rest of the country every time negative attention is brought to it. However, no matter how much people try to do it, the fact is it will continue to not only be an integral part of the country, it'll remain representative at a large scale.
Some people may believe that Amsterdam doesn't accurately represent the Netherlands or that it sets itself apart too much from the rest of the country - the same is said of Berlin, for example -, but there's always historical reasons for this. I'd rather see people claim a place and own up to mistakes committed there rather than try to pass it off as someone else's problem as if it's just an appendage they'd get rid off if they could.
抱歉，阿姆斯特丹在尼德兰。它是首都和人口最多的城市，是尼德兰走向世界的明信片，是欧洲的主要枢纽和旅游胜地，根据最近的数据，它拥有尼德兰的大部分人口。每当一个地方造成负面影响时，大家很喜欢做的是只谴责这个地方或使其与该国其他地区割席。然而，无论有多少人尝试这样做，事实是它不仅会继续成为国家不可分割的一部分，而且在更大范围内依然更有代表性。
有些人可能认为阿姆斯特丹并不能准确地代表尼德兰，或者它与该国其他地区的区别太大——例如柏林也是如此——但这总是有历史原因的。我宁愿看到人们声称拥有一个地方并承认在那里犯下的错误，而不是试图把它当作是别人的问题来推脱，就好像它只是一个累赘，如果可以的话他们会摆脱掉。
satanic_black_metal_
Your asshole is on your body too and you dont want that representing your person now do you?
你的屁眼也在你的身上，但你不会想让那里代表你整个人，对不对？
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Your asshole is on your body too and you dont want that representing your person now do you?
你的屁眼也在你的身上，但你不会想让那里代表你整个人，对不对？
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cuelos
Yeah get out of Amsterdam chances are it'll be a lot better.
是的，离开阿姆斯特丹很有可能会好很多。
Yeah get out of Amsterdam chances are it'll be a lot better.
是的，离开阿姆斯特丹很有可能会好很多。
AwkwardAlgae1
Asian here. The racism in the Netherlands is so unbearable sometimes I’ve thought many times about leaving as well. I just don’t want to give racists the satisfaction and power to influence my life decisions.
亚洲人在这里。荷兰的种族主义是如此难以忍受，有时我也曾多次想过离开。但我不想让种族主义者称心如意和影响我的人生决定。
Asian here. The racism in the Netherlands is so unbearable sometimes I’ve thought many times about leaving as well. I just don’t want to give racists the satisfaction and power to influence my life decisions.
亚洲人在这里。荷兰的种族主义是如此难以忍受，有时我也曾多次想过离开。但我不想让种族主义者称心如意和影响我的人生决定。
createanaccnt
I’m not saying violence is the answer. But some people need to have some fist Broodje
我并不是说暴力是答案。但有些人需要一些拳头伺候
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I’m not saying violence is the answer. But some people need to have some fist Broodje
我并不是说暴力是答案。但有些人需要一些拳头伺候
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SussyCloud
If you grew up here, they'd sing "hanky panky shanghai" on your birthday in class in elementary school
如果你在这里长大，他们会在你生日那天在小学课堂上唱“hanky panky shanghai”
（译注：生日快乐歌的种族主义扭曲版）
If you grew up here, they'd sing "hanky panky shanghai" on your birthday in class in elementary school
如果你在这里长大，他们会在你生日那天在小学课堂上唱“hanky panky shanghai”
（译注：生日快乐歌的种族主义扭曲版）
Charlie2912
I am ashamed to say I too sang along and even did the eye thing as a small kid. Makes me cringe so bad thinking back on it, but at the same time I was just a dumb kid following the teachers example and I don’t think at that point I had ever even spoken to an Asian person in my life. I hope schools are better now. There should be more awareness for this.
很惭愧，我小时候也跟着唱过，甚至做过拉眼皮的事。回想起来让我感到非常难过，但与此同时，我只是一个效仿老师做法的傻孩子，我认为那时我甚至没有和亚洲人说过话。我希望现在的学校更好。对此应该有更多的认识。
I am ashamed to say I too sang along and even did the eye thing as a small kid. Makes me cringe so bad thinking back on it, but at the same time I was just a dumb kid following the teachers example and I don’t think at that point I had ever even spoken to an Asian person in my life. I hope schools are better now. There should be more awareness for this.
很惭愧，我小时候也跟着唱过，甚至做过拉眼皮的事。回想起来让我感到非常难过，但与此同时，我只是一个效仿老师做法的傻孩子，我认为那时我甚至没有和亚洲人说过话。我希望现在的学校更好。对此应该有更多的认识。
Woetz_B
tbf at least we didn't just sing that to asian people
至少我们不只是唱给亚洲人听
tbf at least we didn't just sing that to asian people
至少我们不只是唱给亚洲人听
assepoestert
Genuine question: what would you like bystanders to do if something like this occurs?
I (F20something) genuinely want to step up if I see this happening, but I don't want to overstep and be the "white hero". So I can learn a lot if you would like to share your perspective.
Other people who experience racism, feel free to share your opinion as well because I'd love to learn how to help.
真诚发问：如果发生这样的事情，你希望旁观者做什么？
如果我看到这种情况发生，我真的很想挺身而出，但我不想越界成为“白人英雄”。因此，如果您想分享您的观点，我可以学到很多东西。
其他经历过种族歧视的人，也请随时分享您的意见，因为我很乐意学习如何提供帮助。
Genuine question: what would you like bystanders to do if something like this occurs?
I (F20something) genuinely want to step up if I see this happening, but I don't want to overstep and be the "white hero". So I can learn a lot if you would like to share your perspective.
Other people who experience racism, feel free to share your opinion as well because I'd love to learn how to help.
真诚发问：如果发生这样的事情，你希望旁观者做什么？
如果我看到这种情况发生，我真的很想挺身而出，但我不想越界成为“白人英雄”。因此，如果您想分享您的观点，我可以学到很多东西。
其他经历过种族歧视的人，也请随时分享您的意见，因为我很乐意学习如何提供帮助。
AffectionateTouch711
OP
Seeing people like you makes me feel way better. It would have been helpful if you came to me later and say that you don’t agree with these people. When everyone is silent while the words were being said, I just thought everyone agreed.
看到像你这样的人让我感觉好多了。如果你作为路人，稍后来找我说你不同意这些人的做法，那会很有帮助。当每个人都在情况下保持沉默时，我只能认为每个人都同意这种做法。
OP
Seeing people like you makes me feel way better. It would have been helpful if you came to me later and say that you don’t agree with these people. When everyone is silent while the words were being said, I just thought everyone agreed.
看到像你这样的人让我感觉好多了。如果你作为路人，稍后来找我说你不同意这些人的做法，那会很有帮助。当每个人都在情况下保持沉默时，我只能认为每个人都同意这种做法。
blablablaxblaxbla
How did we get to the point that helping someone or standing up for someone can be considered racist.. If a man helps me when I get catcalled by another men is he then sexist? Seeing he believes I can’t help myself as a woman? Genuinely wondering this now after reading this post.
我们怎么会发展到帮助某人或支援某人就会被视为种族主义的地步。如果一个男人在我被另一个男人调戏时帮助我，那么那个帮我的人会被视为是性别歧视者吗？比如觉得他认为我作为一个女人没办法自己解决问题？读完这个评论后，我现在真的很想知道这个问题。
How did we get to the point that helping someone or standing up for someone can be considered racist.. If a man helps me when I get catcalled by another men is he then sexist? Seeing he believes I can’t help myself as a woman? Genuinely wondering this now after reading this post.
我们怎么会发展到帮助某人或支援某人就会被视为种族主义的地步。如果一个男人在我被另一个男人调戏时帮助我，那么那个帮我的人会被视为是性别歧视者吗？比如觉得他认为我作为一个女人没办法自己解决问题？读完这个评论后，我现在真的很想知道这个问题。
dherealmark28
Wtf? When did saying nothing become a virtue. If you see shit like this happen, you stand up and fight. Period. Man or woman. We need to fight together vs these ass holes. It's because we're quiet that shit like this happens.
Maybe flip your phone, call out that asshole and start recording (if that's allowed) just to protect and make them aware you're doing it for your personal safety (of they react)
什么鬼？什么时候什么都不说变成一种美德了。如果你看到这样的狗屎发生，你就应该站起来战斗。句号。男人或女人。我们需要一起对抗这些混蛋。就是因为我们很安静，才会发生这种事。
也许只要翻转你的手机，叫那个混蛋一声并开始录视频（如果允许的话）只是为了保护并让他们知道你这样做是为了你的人身安全（对于他们会做出的反应）
Wtf? When did saying nothing become a virtue. If you see shit like this happen, you stand up and fight. Period. Man or woman. We need to fight together vs these ass holes. It's because we're quiet that shit like this happens.
Maybe flip your phone, call out that asshole and start recording (if that's allowed) just to protect and make them aware you're doing it for your personal safety (of they react)
什么鬼？什么时候什么都不说变成一种美德了。如果你看到这样的狗屎发生，你就应该站起来战斗。句号。男人或女人。我们需要一起对抗这些混蛋。就是因为我们很安静，才会发生这种事。
也许只要翻转你的手机，叫那个混蛋一声并开始录视频（如果允许的话）只是为了保护并让他们知道你这样做是为了你的人身安全（对于他们会做出的反应）
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