欧美英雄联盟玩家：如果今年欧美与中韩赛区的差距继续变大，你会怎么办？
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If the gap widens this year, how would you react?
如果今年欧美与中韩赛区的差距继续变大，你会怎么办？
If the gap widens this year, how would you react?
如果今年欧美与中韩赛区的差距继续变大，你会怎么办？
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There’s a fairly common viewpoint that I see often on Chinese forums, that causes a lot of fans there to actually commonly cheer for western teams at internationals - the idea that if the gap gets larger then the entire international league esports ecosystem will collapse since EU and NA fans would lose interest.
中国论坛有一种我经常看见的比较普遍的观点，让那里的很多粉丝会主动在国际比赛里为西方国家加油——他们觉得如果欧美赛区和中韩赛区的差距越来越大的话，那么国际电竞体育联赛的生态环境就会彻底崩溃，毕竟欧盟和北美的粉丝就会失去兴趣。
中国论坛有一种我经常看见的比较普遍的观点，让那里的很多粉丝会主动在国际比赛里为西方国家加油——他们觉得如果欧美赛区和中韩赛区的差距越来越大的话，那么国际电竞体育联赛的生态环境就会彻底崩溃，毕竟欧盟和北美的粉丝就会失去兴趣。
So I mean just out of curiosity to ask you guys on here, does this have any merit behind it? If LEC and LCS just get assblasted at Worlds would you feel any urge to just stop watching League entirely?
所以我只是出于好奇想要问问这里的兄弟们，这种说法背后有没有道理？如果LEC和LCS在世界赛上被血虐，那么你会觉得以后再也不用再看英雄联盟比赛了吗？
所以我只是出于好奇想要问问这里的兄弟们，这种说法背后有没有道理？如果LEC和LCS在世界赛上被血虐，那么你会觉得以后再也不用再看英雄联盟比赛了吗？
Renny-66
It absolutely is true I’ve seen so many Na and Eu fans say that they’ve just stopped watching because they know the end result is gonna be the same Korea or china just take the win.
这说得绝对没错，我见过太多北美和欧盟的粉丝说他们干脆就再也不看了，因为他们知道结果反正肯定是一样的，中国或者韩国直接赢。
It absolutely is true I’ve seen so many Na and Eu fans say that they’ve just stopped watching because they know the end result is gonna be the same Korea or china just take the win.
这说得绝对没错，我见过太多北美和欧盟的粉丝说他们干脆就再也不看了，因为他们知道结果反正肯定是一样的，中国或者韩国直接赢。
Shutaku1314
In actual fact even China fan started to stop watching until their 2018 win
事实上就连中国粉丝也是直到2018年赢了世界赛之后才不再拒绝观赛的。
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In actual fact even China fan started to stop watching until their 2018 win
事实上就连中国粉丝也是直到2018年赢了世界赛之后才不再拒绝观赛的。
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BlazeX94
I'm not sure if there are actual numbers to prove this, but I highly doubt this was the case. It's been known for years that China contributes a large part of Worlds viewership and the Worlds viewer numbers were steadily growing even before 2018.
我不太确定有没有真实的数据来证明这一点，但是我非常怀疑这是不是真的。几年来众所周知的事实就是，中国贡献了世界赛观赛人数的大部分，并且世界赛的观赛人数就算在2018年之前也是稳步上升的。
I'm not sure if there are actual numbers to prove this, but I highly doubt this was the case. It's been known for years that China contributes a large part of Worlds viewership and the Worlds viewer numbers were steadily growing even before 2018.
我不太确定有没有真实的数据来证明这一点，但是我非常怀疑这是不是真的。几年来众所周知的事实就是，中国贡献了世界赛观赛人数的大部分，并且世界赛的观赛人数就算在2018年之前也是稳步上升的。
Shutaku1314
Based on their baidu index of trending topics for LPL
基于LPL热搜话题的百度指数
Based on their baidu index of trending topics for LPL
基于LPL热搜话题的百度指数
too bad they didnt saved the data for before 2017 if not the difference would be even bigger
他们没有保存2017年之前的数据实在太糟糕了，不然差距可能会更大。
他们没有保存2017年之前的数据实在太糟糕了，不然差距可能会更大。
even than you can see the amount of difference between 2018 and 2019 and every other year including 2021 when EDG won
即便如此，你还是可以看出2018年和2019年之间的区别，以及别的年份，包括2021年EDG赢了的年份。
即便如此，你还是可以看出2018年和2019年之间的区别，以及别的年份，包括2021年EDG赢了的年份。
BlazeX94
Thing is, that data only shows that there was a huge spike in LPL interest in 2018, which makes sense since it was the first time China won Worlds. I wasn't disputing the spike in interest after 2018, in fact I would be surprised if it wasn't the case.
问题在于，这些数据只能证明2018年人们对LPL的兴趣产生了激增，这是说得通的，毕竟这也是中国第一次赢下世界赛。我并没有否认2018年之后话题度的上升，事实上如果没有上升的话我反而会很惊讶。
Thing is, that data only shows that there was a huge spike in LPL interest in 2018, which makes sense since it was the first time China won Worlds. I wasn't disputing the spike in interest after 2018, in fact I would be surprised if it wasn't the case.
问题在于，这些数据只能证明2018年人们对LPL的兴趣产生了激增，这是说得通的，毕竟这也是中国第一次赢下世界赛。我并没有否认2018年之后话题度的上升，事实上如果没有上升的话我反而会很惊讶。
What I doubt is that interest in the LPL was actively falling off prior to 2018 like what's happening to LCS/LEC now. Although there's no data from before 2017, given that the 2017 numbers are comparable to the 2022/2023 numbers, it suggests that interest in the LPL was still at a decent level then.
我觉得疑惑的是，中国大众对LPL的兴趣有没有像现在LCS/LEC这样，在2018年之前遭遇下跌。尽管2017年之前没有数据，但是考虑到2017年的数据可以和2022/2023相比，可以证明至少在当时，LPL的热度仍然是位于不错的水平。
我觉得疑惑的是，中国大众对LPL的兴趣有没有像现在LCS/LEC这样，在2018年之前遭遇下跌。尽管2017年之前没有数据，但是考虑到2017年的数据可以和2022/2023相比，可以证明至少在当时，LPL的热度仍然是位于不错的水平。
DoctorRapture
I'm one of those players who watches worlds every year but only until the last NA and EU teams are eliminated. Once that happens I MIGHT watch the finals, but I'm more likely to just watch some highlights and get the cliffnotes on what happened after the fact. Even if NA and EU get demolished this year I'm sure I will watch worlds next year anyway, but only until all the western teams get eliminated again.
我是那些每年世界赛都看，但是只看到最后一支北美和欧洲队伍被淘汰的人。这件事发生之后，我或许会看总决赛，但我更可能只是看看一些高光切片，知道有哪些重点。就算北美和欧盟今年被干烂了，我也很确定我会接着看明年的世界赛，尽管明年的西方队还是会被全部淘汰。
I'm one of those players who watches worlds every year but only until the last NA and EU teams are eliminated. Once that happens I MIGHT watch the finals, but I'm more likely to just watch some highlights and get the cliffnotes on what happened after the fact. Even if NA and EU get demolished this year I'm sure I will watch worlds next year anyway, but only until all the western teams get eliminated again.
我是那些每年世界赛都看，但是只看到最后一支北美和欧洲队伍被淘汰的人。这件事发生之后，我或许会看总决赛，但我更可能只是看看一些高光切片，知道有哪些重点。就算北美和欧盟今年被干烂了，我也很确定我会接着看明年的世界赛，尽管明年的西方队还是会被全部淘汰。
Spiderbubble
I don’t even watch NA or EU regular splits. I want to see quality league games and I’m not gonna see the best plays unless I watch LCK and LPL. That also makes me more in touch with who’s actually got a shot at upper bracket at worlds.
我甚至连北美或者欧盟的常规赛都不看。我只想看有质量的英雄联盟对局，所以我只愿意看LCK和LPL最精彩的比赛。这也能让我更加清楚在世界赛上谁能在胜者组更有机会。
I don’t even watch NA or EU regular splits. I want to see quality league games and I’m not gonna see the best plays unless I watch LCK and LPL. That also makes me more in touch with who’s actually got a shot at upper bracket at worlds.
我甚至连北美或者欧盟的常规赛都不看。我只想看有质量的英雄联盟对局，所以我只愿意看LCK和LPL最精彩的比赛。这也能让我更加清楚在世界赛上谁能在胜者组更有机会。
Game_Theory_Master
Same here. I watch nearly all of LCK live and then some LPL. I'm not overly interested in watching LCS (I am in the US) or LEC so much. The quality of play is lower and frankly the casting isn't anything to brag about aside from a few casters here and there. Also, LCK actually has high enough quality content between games that I watch it and enjoy it. LCS often seems to target an audience of pre-teens with their skits and activities.
我也一样。我几乎会看LCK的所有直播，也会偶尔看一看LPL。我对于看LCS或者LEC这件事的兴趣并没那么大（我本人在美国）。本来对局的质量也不怎么样，而且说实话演播水平也没什么好吹的，除了有几个好的解说之外。此外，LCK在比赛之间也有不少足够高质量的内容，我很喜欢看。从LCS的那些小品和活动来看，他们似乎总是把目标观众定位成还没到青春期的小屁孩儿。
Same here. I watch nearly all of LCK live and then some LPL. I'm not overly interested in watching LCS (I am in the US) or LEC so much. The quality of play is lower and frankly the casting isn't anything to brag about aside from a few casters here and there. Also, LCK actually has high enough quality content between games that I watch it and enjoy it. LCS often seems to target an audience of pre-teens with their skits and activities.
我也一样。我几乎会看LCK的所有直播，也会偶尔看一看LPL。我对于看LCS或者LEC这件事的兴趣并没那么大（我本人在美国）。本来对局的质量也不怎么样，而且说实话演播水平也没什么好吹的，除了有几个好的解说之外。此外，LCK在比赛之间也有不少足够高质量的内容，我很喜欢看。从LCS的那些小品和活动来看，他们似乎总是把目标观众定位成还没到青春期的小屁孩儿。
bronet
LPL is so much more fun than LCK imo
说实话我觉得LPL比LCK有意思多了
LPL is so much more fun than LCK imo
说实话我觉得LPL比LCK有意思多了
NewWash4510
Each to their days own, I completely understand people who love lpl cause it’s a blood bath. I pefer lck mainly cause of I find it more relaxing but can also have some lpl games ( any kt vs t1 series)
各有各的看法，我完全理解那些喜欢看LPL的人，因为打得非常激烈。我更喜欢LCK，主要是因为我觉得他们更休闲，并且我也能看见一些LPL式的对局（比如任何KT和T1的比赛）
Each to their days own, I completely understand people who love lpl cause it’s a blood bath. I pefer lck mainly cause of I find it more relaxing but can also have some lpl games ( any kt vs t1 series)
各有各的看法，我完全理解那些喜欢看LPL的人，因为打得非常激烈。我更喜欢LCK，主要是因为我觉得他们更休闲，并且我也能看见一些LPL式的对局（比如任何KT和T1的比赛）
Wetbook
lck has way better production too, crazy how scuffed the lpl english production is after all this time
LCK的节目制作也好得多，LPL的英语节目制作过了这么长时间还是这么烂我真想不通。
lck has way better production too, crazy how scuffed the lpl english production is after all this time
LCK的节目制作也好得多，LPL的英语节目制作过了这么长时间还是这么烂我真想不通。
hachiko2692
I really loved how LPL teams play, good teams with actual draft. LCK teams you already know what teams are gonna pick before the match even starts.
我真的很喜欢LPL的队伍的打法，队伍本身很厉害，选人也很认真。LCK的队伍在比赛开始之前你就知道两边都要选什么英雄。
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I really loved how LPL teams play, good teams with actual draft. LCK teams you already know what teams are gonna pick before the match even starts.
我真的很喜欢LPL的队伍的打法，队伍本身很厉害，选人也很认真。LCK的队伍在比赛开始之前你就知道两边都要选什么英雄。
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But holy shit after watching LCK LEC LCS for the longest time, I can't believe how dogshit the technical side of the LPL cast is. Even in the Summer Finals and Regionals. They were live in stadium there wtf. How was the audio still worse than the others?
但是在看了LCK、LEC和LCS这么长时间之后，我真的是无法想象LPL的转播技术人员到底烂成什么狗屎样子了。就连夏季赛决赛和地区赛也是这样。他们可是在体育场线下打比赛呢，我草了怎么音频仍然会比其他赛区烂？
但是在看了LCK、LEC和LCS这么长时间之后，我真的是无法想象LPL的转播技术人员到底烂成什么狗屎样子了。就连夏季赛决赛和地区赛也是这样。他们可是在体育场线下打比赛呢，我草了怎么音频仍然会比其他赛区烂？
And LCK is the goat for production value, no other league comes even close. They even have banger OSTs for their games. I have been spamming this song ever since I heard it this year.
LCK从节目制作的角度来讲就是最牛逼的，没有别的赛区能跟他们比。他们甚至有比赛专属的背景音乐。自从今年听见之后，我一整年都在单曲循环这首歌。
LCK从节目制作的角度来讲就是最牛逼的，没有别的赛区能跟他们比。他们甚至有比赛专属的背景音乐。自从今年听见之后，我一整年都在单曲循环这首歌。
woah_m8
Last year was such a dissapointment, I really have zero expectations of any western team. Not even gonna meme around it, just don't care.
去年实在是太让人失望了，我真的不对任何西方队伍抱有期望。甚至连玩梗都懒得玩，根本不在乎。
Last year was such a dissapointment, I really have zero expectations of any western team. Not even gonna meme around it, just don't care.
去年实在是太让人失望了，我真的不对任何西方队伍抱有期望。甚至连玩梗都懒得玩，根本不在乎。
StoicallyGay
I personally stopped watching NA and EU games this year. Even the best teams aren’t super interesting save for some EU rivalry. The matches themselves also seem slower and more dull compared to LCK and LPL.
我自己是今年开始不看北美和欧盟的比赛了。除了欧盟的一些内战之外，就连最好的那些队伍的比赛也没什么意思。比赛本身跟LCK和LPL相比也更慢，更无聊。
I personally stopped watching NA and EU games this year. Even the best teams aren’t super interesting save for some EU rivalry. The matches themselves also seem slower and more dull compared to LCK and LPL.
我自己是今年开始不看北美和欧盟的比赛了。除了欧盟的一些内战之外，就连最好的那些队伍的比赛也没什么意思。比赛本身跟LCK和LPL相比也更慢，更无聊。
th5virtuos0
Problem is that I don’t feel like they went down kicking. They just qualify, go for a vacation, do some scrim then go home after play in/group stage/quarter. There’s no fighting in them to hope that they would be able to make it deeper within a few years, all that they gives me is just “welp, another year of NA and EU as per usual”
说实话我都不觉得他们被淘汰有什么好兴奋的。他们只是入围了，去度个假，打两局训练赛，然后在入围赛、小组赛或者四分之一决赛打完之后回家。他们根本没有过什么挣扎，让我们觉得他们好像能再过几年还能多沉淀沉淀，他们给我的一切感觉就是“哎呀，北美欧盟赛区普普通通又一年”
Problem is that I don’t feel like they went down kicking. They just qualify, go for a vacation, do some scrim then go home after play in/group stage/quarter. There’s no fighting in them to hope that they would be able to make it deeper within a few years, all that they gives me is just “welp, another year of NA and EU as per usual”
说实话我都不觉得他们被淘汰有什么好兴奋的。他们只是入围了，去度个假，打两局训练赛，然后在入围赛、小组赛或者四分之一决赛打完之后回家。他们根本没有过什么挣扎，让我们觉得他们好像能再过几年还能多沉淀沉淀，他们给我的一切感觉就是“哎呀，北美欧盟赛区普普通通又一年”
DuarteGon
I haven't watched 2023 worlds and I already know the results for NA and EU regions; 1-3 losses all around. I won't be watching it to cheer neither region but to watch good players play league.
我还没看2023年世界赛就已经知道北美和欧洲赛区的结果了：全都是1：3被淘汰回家。我不会为了某个赛区而去看比赛，我只想看好的选手打英雄联盟。
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I haven't watched 2023 worlds and I already know the results for NA and EU regions; 1-3 losses all around. I won't be watching it to cheer neither region but to watch good players play league.
我还没看2023年世界赛就已经知道北美和欧洲赛区的结果了：全都是1：3被淘汰回家。我不会为了某个赛区而去看比赛，我只想看好的选手打英雄联盟。
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Zama174
Its always been this wide. We havent won since 2011 except once with G2. Even at Korea and China's weakest, Europe still barely won once with their best team ever. It will never shrink. Europe has always been the historic # 3 reigon. I've been arguing it since 2014 and idiots who thought eu was better or just as good as china back then.
差距一直都是这么大。我们2011年以来，除了G2之外就没赢过世界赛。就算在中韩赛区最弱的时候，欧洲仍然只能用历史上最厉害的一支队伍艰难地赢了一次。差距是绝对不会缩小的。欧洲区一直以来都是第三的地区。我自从2014年以来就这么说，总有一群弱智觉得欧洲赛区当时和中国一个水平，甚至比中国还厉害。
Its always been this wide. We havent won since 2011 except once with G2. Even at Korea and China's weakest, Europe still barely won once with their best team ever. It will never shrink. Europe has always been the historic # 3 reigon. I've been arguing it since 2014 and idiots who thought eu was better or just as good as china back then.
差距一直都是这么大。我们2011年以来，除了G2之外就没赢过世界赛。就算在中韩赛区最弱的时候，欧洲仍然只能用历史上最厉害的一支队伍艰难地赢了一次。差距是绝对不会缩小的。欧洲区一直以来都是第三的地区。我自从2014年以来就这么说，总有一群弱智觉得欧洲赛区当时和中国一个水平，甚至比中国还厉害。
hixagit
EU has never been the best, but the gap between them and KR/CN has clearly changed over the years. If you think RGE last year was just as close to win worlds as G2 in 2019 you are a complete idiot who can't comprehend anything but win = good team, lose = bad team. And if you don't, then you can't in good faith argue the gap has always remained the same.
欧盟赛区从来都不是最厉害的，但是欧盟和中韩赛区之间的差距也是在一直变化的。如果你觉得去年的RGE距离赢下世界赛的距离和2019年的G2一样，那么你就是一个根本无法理解任何东西的蠢货，你的脑子里只明白“赢了就是好队，输了就是烂队”。如果你理解不了这些东西，那么你就没办法证明差距一直都是这么大。
EU has never been the best, but the gap between them and KR/CN has clearly changed over the years. If you think RGE last year was just as close to win worlds as G2 in 2019 you are a complete idiot who can't comprehend anything but win = good team, lose = bad team. And if you don't, then you can't in good faith argue the gap has always remained the same.
欧盟赛区从来都不是最厉害的，但是欧盟和中韩赛区之间的差距也是在一直变化的。如果你觉得去年的RGE距离赢下世界赛的距离和2019年的G2一样，那么你就是一个根本无法理解任何东西的蠢货，你的脑子里只明白“赢了就是好队，输了就是烂队”。如果你理解不了这些东西，那么你就没办法证明差距一直都是这么大。
EUWannabe
LPL and LCK are competitive enough with each other that I can keep watching and be entertained with those two regions. However, I definitely don't have any expectations right now that the west can be competitive. I remember watching C9 at this year's MSI and watching their matches against LPL and it just looked so sad.
LPL和LCK两个赛区的竞技性都很高，我可以一直看这两个赛区，总能有乐子。然而，我对于西方赛区的竞技性完全没有任何的期待。我还记得今年MSI看C9的时候，看他们打LPL的比赛，真的看着就让人难过。
LPL and LCK are competitive enough with each other that I can keep watching and be entertained with those two regions. However, I definitely don't have any expectations right now that the west can be competitive. I remember watching C9 at this year's MSI and watching their matches against LPL and it just looked so sad.
LPL和LCK两个赛区的竞技性都很高，我可以一直看这两个赛区，总能有乐子。然而，我对于西方赛区的竞技性完全没有任何的期待。我还记得今年MSI看C9的时候，看他们打LPL的比赛，真的看着就让人难过。
bad_boy_barry
Same, I can't wait to watch the best players from CN and KR play each others.
我也一样，我已经等不及要看看来自中韩两国最好的选手再比一比了。
Same, I can't wait to watch the best players from CN and KR play each others.
我也一样，我已经等不及要看看来自中韩两国最好的选手再比一比了。
Feeling_Patient6085
I would care the same I did before
我会和以前一样程度地在意
I would care the same I did before
我会和以前一样程度地在意
Not that much
也就是没那么在意
也就是没那么在意
PENZ_12
Yeah, the better NA does the more excited I get. At this point I usually just assume that play-ins is gonna be the fun part. I still like the rest of it and the later stages obviously have more weight to them, but getting 3-0'd isn't exactly my favourite viewing experience.
没错，北美越厉害我就越兴奋。现在我通常直接认为入围赛是最有意思的部分。我仍然喜欢剩下的比赛，并且后面的正赛显然也有更大的占比，但是总是被零封肯定也不是我最喜欢的观赛经历。
Yeah, the better NA does the more excited I get. At this point I usually just assume that play-ins is gonna be the fun part. I still like the rest of it and the later stages obviously have more weight to them, but getting 3-0'd isn't exactly my favourite viewing experience.
没错，北美越厉害我就越兴奋。现在我通常直接认为入围赛是最有意思的部分。我仍然喜欢剩下的比赛，并且后面的正赛显然也有更大的占比，但是总是被零封肯定也不是我最喜欢的观赛经历。
ChungoBungus
Yeah the NA vs EU match for the 4th slot is going to be the most watched game of the year. Can’t wait
没错，北美和欧盟争夺第四名的比赛肯定会是今年看的人最多的比赛。我已经等不了了。
Yeah the NA vs EU match for the 4th slot is going to be the most watched game of the year. Can’t wait
没错，北美和欧盟争夺第四名的比赛肯定会是今年看的人最多的比赛。我已经等不了了。
fancifulthings1
most watched game of the year.
引用：“今年看的人最多的比赛”
most watched game of the year.
引用：“今年看的人最多的比赛”
most watched by western audiences at least. I wish it was at a better viewing time for NA though
至少是西方观众看的最多的比赛吧。我倒是希望这场比赛能放在北美观众更舒服的时间段。
至少是西方观众看的最多的比赛吧。我倒是希望这场比赛能放在北美观众更舒服的时间段。
Anime314
there just wouldn't be much hype if every western team gets steamrolled, but I wouldn't stop watching unless costreaming/live viewing gets canceled for some reason
如果每个西方队都被干烂的话，可能也就没什么热度了。但是除非直播被取消，否则我观赛的脚步是不会停下来的。
there just wouldn't be much hype if every western team gets steamrolled, but I wouldn't stop watching unless costreaming/live viewing gets canceled for some reason
如果每个西方队都被干烂的话，可能也就没什么热度了。但是除非直播被取消，否则我观赛的脚步是不会停下来的。
Bravepotatoe
I mean aren't we already at that point ? 2022 MSI both semis were 3-0. 2022 worlds only rogue got out and let's be real that was a fluke. they went on to get stomped in quarters 3-0. This MSI the west won 1 total game vs the east. The only matchup I can even remotely think is winnable this world would be g2 vs weibo if the shy decides to int but if both teams play normal I'd bet a 3-1 wbg
我说我们难道不是已经到这个地步了吗？2022年的MSI，两场半决赛都是3:0.2022年的世界赛只有Rogue杀了出去，说真的Rogue也是个软脚虾。他们在四分之一决赛还是被零封了。这届MSI西方队总共只拿下了东方队一局。我现在能想到的唯一一场能赢的世界赛就是G2打微博，还得是The Shy决定送人头。但如果两个队都正常打，那我觉得G2要被WBG3:1。
I mean aren't we already at that point ? 2022 MSI both semis were 3-0. 2022 worlds only rogue got out and let's be real that was a fluke. they went on to get stomped in quarters 3-0. This MSI the west won 1 total game vs the east. The only matchup I can even remotely think is winnable this world would be g2 vs weibo if the shy decides to int but if both teams play normal I'd bet a 3-1 wbg
我说我们难道不是已经到这个地步了吗？2022年的MSI，两场半决赛都是3:0.2022年的世界赛只有Rogue杀了出去，说真的Rogue也是个软脚虾。他们在四分之一决赛还是被零封了。这届MSI西方队总共只拿下了东方队一局。我现在能想到的唯一一场能赢的世界赛就是G2打微博，还得是The Shy决定送人头。但如果两个队都正常打，那我觉得G2要被WBG3:1。
Misterpoody
Hell no, I'll always root for NA and NA loves EU. Even if they get pummeled I'm still watching worlds, its an exciting venue and the anticipation every year gets me and my friends hyped to watch it, regardless of knowing our teams will get slam dunked.
算了吧，我永远支持北美，并且北美也喜欢欧洲。就算他们被虐了我也仍然会看世界赛，毕竟本身就是紧张刺激的比赛，并且每年对世界赛的期待都会让我和我的朋友们很兴奋，不论知不知道我们支持的队伍会不会被虐。
Hell no, I'll always root for NA and NA loves EU. Even if they get pummeled I'm still watching worlds, its an exciting venue and the anticipation every year gets me and my friends hyped to watch it, regardless of knowing our teams will get slam dunked.
算了吧，我永远支持北美，并且北美也喜欢欧洲。就算他们被虐了我也仍然会看世界赛，毕竟本身就是紧张刺激的比赛，并且每年对世界赛的期待都会让我和我的朋友们很兴奋，不论知不知道我们支持的队伍会不会被虐。
iloveumathurman
Absolutely, I want to watch my region compete against the best. Even if it means the teams get steamrolled into oblivion. I don't get this obsession in every live/post match thread about: "we are gonna suck at words" or "imagine player X against Faker..".
绝对的。我就想看我的赛区和最厉害的赛区打。就算这意味着我们的队伍会被干到爆也没关系。我不理解在每个比赛帖子里执着地发“我们世界赛肯定烂中爆烂”或者“想象一下选手X对位Faker”之类的话有什么意义。
Absolutely, I want to watch my region compete against the best. Even if it means the teams get steamrolled into oblivion. I don't get this obsession in every live/post match thread about: "we are gonna suck at words" or "imagine player X against Faker..".
绝对的。我就想看我的赛区和最厉害的赛区打。就算这意味着我们的队伍会被干到爆也没关系。我不理解在每个比赛帖子里执着地发“我们世界赛肯定烂中爆烂”或者“想象一下选手X对位Faker”之类的话有什么意义。
Z3ndel
F this gloryhunting bs. Being from a small country, I'm used to rooting for our national teams to get as far as they can, even though they have no shot of winning.
这种冠军粉的行为真的差不多得了。作为小国的国民，我已经习惯了支持自己的国家队走得越远越好的行为，就算他们根本没有赢球的机会。
F this gloryhunting bs. Being from a small country, I'm used to rooting for our national teams to get as far as they can, even though they have no shot of winning.
这种冠军粉的行为真的差不多得了。作为小国的国民，我已经习惯了支持自己的国家队走得越远越好的行为，就算他们根本没有赢球的机会。
And League is not even like that. 2019 happened once, so why couldn't it happen again? EU at least tends to always take some Asian teams at Worlds, what last time stuck at groups was 2014?
并且英雄联盟还不至于这样。2019年发生过一次，所以为什么不能再发生一次呢？欧洲至少也能在世界赛拿下一些亚洲队伍的，上次困在小组赛还是2014年。
并且英雄联盟还不至于这样。2019年发生过一次，所以为什么不能再发生一次呢？欧洲至少也能在世界赛拿下一些亚洲队伍的，上次困在小组赛还是2014年。
I very much understand the Chinese sentiment though, in EU-dominated CS I find myself cheering for other regions just to grow the game.
我非常理解中国人的想法，在被欧洲统治的CS这个项目里，我也会给其他赛区的队伍加油，只是为了让这个游戏市场更大一点。
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我非常理解中国人的想法，在被欧洲统治的CS这个项目里，我也会给其他赛区的队伍加油，只是为了让这个游戏市场更大一点。
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kingkuffner
Yeah idk man. I root for my football team and I'm happy we are #1 in our national tournament. Can we take man city or real madrid? Never. Does it make me less excited about them? Not at all. Just look at the CBLOL which is a reflection of this. People are still excited about it even when BR teams have failed in the past at worlds.
没错兄弟。我也支持我们的足球队，并且我们很高兴自己的足球队在我们的国家联赛里拿了第一名。我们能拿下曼城或者皇马吗？不可能。这会让我对自己的队伍失去兴趣吗？一点也不会。看看巴西LOL联赛知道了，和这个很像。人们仍然会为巴西队伍感到兴奋，即便他们在过去的世界赛上失败过很多次。
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Yeah idk man. I root for my football team and I'm happy we are #1 in our national tournament. Can we take man city or real madrid? Never. Does it make me less excited about them? Not at all. Just look at the CBLOL which is a reflection of this. People are still excited about it even when BR teams have failed in the past at worlds.
没错兄弟。我也支持我们的足球队，并且我们很高兴自己的足球队在我们的国家联赛里拿了第一名。我们能拿下曼城或者皇马吗？不可能。这会让我对自己的队伍失去兴趣吗？一点也不会。看看巴西LOL联赛知道了，和这个很像。人们仍然会为巴西队伍感到兴奋，即便他们在过去的世界赛上失败过很多次。
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Maybe it's the fact that people from USA cheer for basketball, baseball, American football, hockey, where they either are the best in the world, or are competing with one more country at best. They even call themselves world champions for winning national leagues on some of those.
或许事实在于美国人们喜欢看自己的篮球、棒球、橄榄球、曲棍球，在这些项目里他们要么是世界第一，要么在和世界第一的国家竞争。他们甚至在某些比赛里，拿下国家级别的赛事就称自己为国际冠军。
或许事实在于美国人们喜欢看自己的篮球、棒球、橄榄球、曲棍球，在这些项目里他们要么是世界第一，要么在和世界第一的国家竞争。他们甚至在某些比赛里，拿下国家级别的赛事就称自己为国际冠军。
icedrift
What made me completely uninterested in NA league is the fact that on paper, we should be a super region. We have more players than Korea, spend way more money, and regularly import world champions. Despite that, international tournaments have been more of a stomp each passing year since 2018. We have nothing to fall back on the way a small country could. We have no excuses we're just bad. There's nothing to root for.
让我对北美联赛完全失去兴趣的原因在于，从纸面上来看，我们本来应该是一个超强的赛区。我们的玩家比韩国多，花的钱比韩国多，还会定期引进世界冠军。尽管如此，2018年以来的国际赛事对我们来说仍然是一边倒。我们不像小国，我们没什么理由可以找。我们就是菜。所以没什么好支持的。
What made me completely uninterested in NA league is the fact that on paper, we should be a super region. We have more players than Korea, spend way more money, and regularly import world champions. Despite that, international tournaments have been more of a stomp each passing year since 2018. We have nothing to fall back on the way a small country could. We have no excuses we're just bad. There's nothing to root for.
让我对北美联赛完全失去兴趣的原因在于，从纸面上来看，我们本来应该是一个超强的赛区。我们的玩家比韩国多，花的钱比韩国多，还会定期引进世界冠军。尽管如此，2018年以来的国际赛事对我们来说仍然是一边倒。我们不像小国，我们没什么理由可以找。我们就是菜。所以没什么好支持的。
DRNbw
We have more players than Korea
引用：我们的玩家比韩国多
We have more players than Korea
引用：我们的玩家比韩国多
There's more people IRL in NA than Korea, but there are more ranked players in Korea than NA. Not sure about players in general, because I know NA trends more towards casual.
虽然北美的人比韩国多，但是韩国的天梯玩家比北美多。玩家总数我不太确定，因为我知道北美玩家更倾向于休闲。
虽然北美的人比韩国多，但是韩国的天梯玩家比北美多。玩家总数我不太确定，因为我知道北美玩家更倾向于休闲。
bluesound3
NA has more League of Legends players overall iirc, but less ranked players by a lot. As you said most players here are super casual.
如果我没记错的话，北美的英雄联盟玩家是更多的，但是天梯玩家要少很多。如你所说，绝大多数玩家都是非常休闲的。
NA has more League of Legends players overall iirc, but less ranked players by a lot. As you said most players here are super casual.
如果我没记错的话，北美的英雄联盟玩家是更多的，但是天梯玩家要少很多。如你所说，绝大多数玩家都是非常休闲的。
CinderrUwU
I wouldnt be surprised at all. I also wouldnt care.
我一点也不会惊讶。我也不会在意。
I wouldnt be surprised at all. I also wouldnt care.
我一点也不会惊讶。我也不会在意。
In both NA and EU, domestic competition has never been better. Sure it sucks seeing all of our teams loose at worlds but honestly, has it not always been like that? The people expecting the west to actually have a chance are stuck in the 2018-2020 glory days.
不论是北美还是欧洲，国内竞争从来都没好起来过。看见我们的所有队伍都输在世界赛上固然很难过，但说实话，难道不是一直这样吗？那些盼着西方有机会拿下的人，都困在2018-2020年的辉煌时刻了。
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不论是北美还是欧洲，国内竞争从来都没好起来过。看见我们的所有队伍都输在世界赛上固然很难过，但说实话，难道不是一直这样吗？那些盼着西方有机会拿下的人，都困在2018-2020年的辉煌时刻了。
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The only team I expect to even take a game off of a team (aside from some huge throw) is G2 and they probably have the top 5 players in each role in all of the west.
我唯一觉得有希望从某个队伍上拿下一分（而不是完全白给）的队伍就是G2了，毕竟他们拥有全西方每个位置上最厉害的五个选手。
我唯一觉得有希望从某个队伍上拿下一分（而不是完全白给）的队伍就是G2了，毕竟他们拥有全西方每个位置上最厉害的五个选手。
I think we are actually on the flipside of 2018 now. It is the west's turn to completely collapse and rebuild and in a few years time we will be alot more competitive.
我觉得我们目前处于2018年的反面。现在轮到西方彻底崩溃了，再等几年的时间重建，我们就能变得更加有竞争力。
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我觉得我们目前处于2018年的反面。现在轮到西方彻底崩溃了，再等几年的时间重建，我们就能变得更加有竞争力。
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SnooGuavas8376
The gap always wide since 2013, 2018 and 2019 were outliers because the best players on the West were cramped into two teams (G2 and FNC) and after those teams disbanded it went the same again
自从2013年以来差距就一直很宽，2018和2019年是例外，因为西方最好的选手都被塞进了两支队伍里（G2和FNC），在这些队伍解散之后就又变成老样子了。
The gap always wide since 2013, 2018 and 2019 were outliers because the best players on the West were cramped into two teams (G2 and FNC) and after those teams disbanded it went the same again
自从2013年以来差距就一直很宽，2018和2019年是例外，因为西方最好的选手都被塞进了两支队伍里（G2和FNC），在这些队伍解散之后就又变成老样子了。
Lord-Talon
2015 was a decent year as well, with TSM winning IEM S9 (often forgotten, but complete legit, hyped and important international tournament back then) and Fnatic taking SKT to 5 games at MSI and having a decent Worlds run.
2015年其实也挺不错的，TSM赢了IEM S9（经常被忘掉，但当时也是完全官方、备受期待并且十分重要的国际赛事），并且Fnatic在MSI也把SKT打到了第五局，世界赛打的也不错。
2015 was a decent year as well, with TSM winning IEM S9 (often forgotten, but complete legit, hyped and important international tournament back then) and Fnatic taking SKT to 5 games at MSI and having a decent Worlds run.
2015年其实也挺不错的，TSM赢了IEM S9（经常被忘掉，但当时也是完全官方、备受期待并且十分重要的国际赛事），并且Fnatic在MSI也把SKT打到了第五局，世界赛打的也不错。
And you can't explain 2018 / 2019 just by Fnatic / G2 being good. C9 also 3-0'd a KR team, TL beat iG, Vitality went 2-0 against GenG in groups. The entirety of the west was on-par with the east in those days.
并且你不能说2018、2019赛季只有Fnatic和G2这两支队伍厉害。C9也三比零过韩国队，TL打败了IG，Vitality在小组赛2:0了GenG。那时候的西方队伍整体上都是可以与东方打平的。
并且你不能说2018、2019赛季只有Fnatic和G2这两支队伍厉害。C9也三比零过韩国队，TL打败了IG，Vitality在小组赛2:0了GenG。那时候的西方队伍整体上都是可以与东方打平的。
And I mean even like in 2020 we had the TES vs. Fnatic series and G2 stomping GenG.
说实话就算在2020年我们也有TES打Fnatic的比赛，以及G2碾压GenG的比赛。
说实话就算在2020年我们也有TES打Fnatic的比赛，以及G2碾压GenG的比赛。
This kind of gap is definitely not normal, I'd say the only comparable years are 2014, 2016 & 2017.
这种程度的差距绝对不正常，要我说唯一值得比较的年份就是2014年、2016年和2017年。
这种程度的差距绝对不正常，要我说唯一值得比较的年份就是2014年、2016年和2017年。
Maleficent_Kick_4437
I already stopped watching after last year, i finally lost all my hope. Also lead to me stopping playing league as well.
我去年之后也不看了，我最终失去了一切希望，并且我也再也不玩英雄联盟了。
I already stopped watching after last year, i finally lost all my hope. Also lead to me stopping playing league as well.
我去年之后也不看了，我最终失去了一切希望，并且我也再也不玩英雄联盟了。
Lord-Talon
Yeah this feels like 2016 / 2017 times. If you'd have said back then that next year the west will be competitive, people would've laughed you out of the room. You never know what happens in sports.
没错感觉这就像是2016/2017年的时候，如果你当时说明年的西方会更有竞争力，人们可能会把你笑出房间的。你永远无法预计体育运动会发生什么。
Yeah this feels like 2016 / 2017 times. If you'd have said back then that next year the west will be competitive, people would've laughed you out of the room. You never know what happens in sports.
没错感觉这就像是2016/2017年的时候，如果你当时说明年的西方会更有竞争力，人们可能会把你笑出房间的。你永远无法预计体育运动会发生什么。
Baranade
I personally don't give a damn as someone who's from the US
作为美国人我个人根本一点也不在意。
I personally don't give a damn as someone who's from the US
作为美国人我个人根本一点也不在意。
I just wanna see good competition and good games. And the best League of Legends is currently being played in LPL
我只想要看见好的竞争和好的比赛。而现在最好的英雄联盟比赛就是LPL。
我只想要看见好的竞争和好的比赛。而现在最好的英雄联盟比赛就是LPL。
The sooner fans learn to let go of arbitrary ties to players and regions and appreciate good gameplay, the better their watching experience will be
粉丝越早能放下对选手和地区的情结、专心于欣赏好的比赛，他们的观赛体验就会越好。
粉丝越早能放下对选手和地区的情结、专心于欣赏好的比赛，他们的观赛体验就会越好。
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