话题讨论：乌克兰总司令扎卢日内与总统泽连斯基闹内讧，并向美国狮子大开口，要求提供1700万枚炮弹，3500-4000亿美元的资产和人员--part2
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risingstar3110
The last time Rybar counted it, the funding toward Ukrainian was reaching 333 billions, which should all be spent by early 2024.
在Rybar最近一次统计中，对乌克兰的资金达到3330亿美元，这些资金应该会在2024年初全部花完。
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The last time Rybar counted it, the funding toward Ukrainian was reaching 333 billions, which should all be spent by early 2024.
在Rybar最近一次统计中，对乌克兰的资金达到3330亿美元，这些资金应该会在2024年初全部花完。
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Yeah the 17 millions shells may help, but the 400 billions will not be enough. Especially when they are running out of manpower too
是的，1700万枚炮弹可能会有所帮助，但4000亿是不够的。尤其是当他们的人力也在耗尽的时候。
是的，1700万枚炮弹可能会有所帮助，但4000亿是不够的。尤其是当他们的人力也在耗尽的时候。
Remarkable_Spirit_68
400 bil $ is bigger then the whole budget of Russia. They can just go and buy Russia.
4000亿美元比俄罗斯的整个预算还要大。他们可以直接去买下俄罗斯。
400 bil $ is bigger then the whole budget of Russia. They can just go and buy Russia.
4000亿美元比俄罗斯的整个预算还要大。他们可以直接去买下俄罗斯。
DickBlaster619
Pravda has really thrown in its hat against Zaluzhny. Second "weeks-old story we just heard about" in a day. There's an actual power struggle in the midst of a war.
《真理报》真的在反对扎总。一天之内第二次听到“我们刚刚听到的几周前的话题”。在战争期间，他们竟然真的的在搞权力斗争。
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Pravda has really thrown in its hat against Zaluzhny. Second "weeks-old story we just heard about" in a day. There's an actual power struggle in the midst of a war.
《真理报》真的在反对扎总。一天之内第二次听到“我们刚刚听到的几周前的话题”。在战争期间，他们竟然真的的在搞权力斗争。
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chrisman210
well it is state "news" so what did you expect?
这是一个国有“新闻机构”，你想要啥自行车？
well it is state "news" so what did you expect?
这是一个国有“新闻机构”，你想要啥自行车？
Alone_Highway
Pravda is not state-owned.
And it’s not even pro-Zelenskyy.
真理报不是国有的。
它甚至不是亲泽连斯基的。
Pravda is not state-owned.
And it’s not even pro-Zelenskyy.
真理报不是国有的。
它甚至不是亲泽连斯基的。
chrisman210
While a bit tongue in cheek, UA Pravda is owned by Dragon Capital. One of Dragon Capital's chief investors is... drum roll... George Soros. There probably isn't a man on this planet who is a bigger exporter of propaganda than George Soros. Propaganda and king making are literally his two main activities of business. A very evil man, about that there is no question.
虽然有点开玩笑，但乌克兰《真理报》由龙资本所有。而龙资本的主要投资者之一是……鼓声响起来……乔治·索罗斯。在这个星球上，恐怕没有人比乔治·索罗斯更擅长宣传了。宣传和造王实际上是他的两项主要业务。一个非常邪恶的人，这是毫无疑问的。
While a bit tongue in cheek, UA Pravda is owned by Dragon Capital. One of Dragon Capital's chief investors is... drum roll... George Soros. There probably isn't a man on this planet who is a bigger exporter of propaganda than George Soros. Propaganda and king making are literally his two main activities of business. A very evil man, about that there is no question.
虽然有点开玩笑，但乌克兰《真理报》由龙资本所有。而龙资本的主要投资者之一是……鼓声响起来……乔治·索罗斯。在这个星球上，恐怕没有人比乔治·索罗斯更擅长宣传了。宣传和造王实际上是他的两项主要业务。一个非常邪恶的人，这是毫无疑问的。
CnlJohnMatrix
There is no way Ukraine is going to get funding like this. This report alone could scuttle any further European or American aid deals.
乌克兰不可能得到这样的资金。单是这份报告就可能使欧洲或美国的任何进一步援助协议落空。
There is no way Ukraine is going to get funding like this. This report alone could scuttle any further European or American aid deals.
乌克兰不可能得到这样的资金。单是这份报告就可能使欧洲或美国的任何进一步援助协议落空。
"What's the point of dumping another $50 billion today, when we all know it won't be enough!"
“今天再撒500亿美元有什么意义，我们都知道这是不够的!”
“今天再撒500亿美元有什么意义，我们都知道这是不够的!”
OsoCheco
The goal of NATO isn't liberation of Ukraine, but attrition of Russia. So every dollar counts and they will flow, as long as Ukrainians are willing to die, or until elections change priorities in every single country.
北约的目标不是解放乌克兰，而是消耗俄罗斯。因此，每一美元都很重要，只要乌克兰人愿意牺牲，或者直到选举改变每个国家的优先事项，它们都会源源不断地流入乌克兰。
The goal of NATO isn't liberation of Ukraine, but attrition of Russia. So every dollar counts and they will flow, as long as Ukrainians are willing to die, or until elections change priorities in every single country.
北约的目标不是解放乌克兰，而是消耗俄罗斯。因此，每一美元都很重要，只要乌克兰人愿意牺牲，或者直到选举改变每个国家的优先事项，它们都会源源不断地流入乌克兰。
Affectionate_Ad_9687
If I'm not mistaken, $400bn is about a half of the whole DoD budget.
如果我没记错的话，4000亿美元大约是（美国）全部国防部预算的一半。
If I'm not mistaken, $400bn is about a half of the whole DoD budget.
如果我没记错的话，4000亿美元大约是（美国）全部国防部预算的一半。
Luizbronco
It seems the info was leaked to make Zaluzhny look bad. TG:legitimniy
看来这次泄露信息是为了让扎卢日内出丑。
It seems the info was leaked to make Zaluzhny look bad. TG:legitimniy
看来这次泄露信息是为了让扎卢日内出丑。
"Bankova leaked part of the inside information to the media about the arrival of US Secretary of Defense Austin, who met with Commander-in-Chief Zaluzhny. The office general leaked the information. Insider with an emphasis that Zaluzhny complains to everyone about office workers and asks for millions of ammunition that is not available in the world. In this way, Zaluzhny is made into a “lack of sense” and a character who introduces an imbalance into the unity of power. Allegedly, everything is Za’s fault, not Ze’s. This is a continuation of Bankova’s policy of discrediting the commander in chief, and the leak to the UP is controlled.
“班科娃向媒体泄露了美国国防部长奥斯汀抵达的部分内幕消息，后者会见了总司令扎卢日内。总统办公室主任泄露了这一消息。内部人士强调，扎卢日内向每个人抱怨办公室工作人员，并要求获得全世界都没有的数百万枚弹药。这样，扎卢日内就被塑造成了一个“缺乏理智”的角色，一个在法权统一中引入不平衡的角色。据说，一切都是扎总的错，而不是泽圣的。这是班科瓦抹黑总司令政策的延续，泄露给UP的消息是有人控制的。
“班科娃向媒体泄露了美国国防部长奥斯汀抵达的部分内幕消息，后者会见了总司令扎卢日内。总统办公室主任泄露了这一消息。内部人士强调，扎卢日内向每个人抱怨办公室工作人员，并要求获得全世界都没有的数百万枚弹药。这样，扎卢日内就被塑造成了一个“缺乏理智”的角色，一个在法权统一中引入不平衡的角色。据说，一切都是扎总的错，而不是泽圣的。这是班科瓦抹黑总司令政策的延续，泄露给UP的消息是有人控制的。
We will add what the functionaries kept silent.
我们将补充那些工作人员缄口不言的内容。
我们将补充那些工作人员缄口不言的内容。
Austin warned Zelensky that Zaluzhny’s resignation would have consequences in terms of international support. Many countries may simply begin to ignore Kyiv’s requests for help, as they will consider Zee a usurper who hid behind the war, while he himself is building his own dictatorship. Ukraine will find itself even more isolated.
奥斯汀警告泽连斯基，扎卢日内的辞职将会影响国际社会的支持。许多国家可能会开始无视基辅的求助请求，因为他们会认为泽是一个篡位者，一边躲在战争后面，一边自己却在建立自己的独裁政权。乌克兰将发现自己更加孤立。
奥斯汀警告泽连斯基，扎卢日内的辞职将会影响国际社会的支持。许多国家可能会开始无视基辅的求助请求，因为他们会认为泽是一个篡位者，一边躲在战争后面，一边自己却在建立自己的独裁政权。乌克兰将发现自己更加孤立。
The republics in the United States will take advantage of Zaluzhny’s resignation and will block any assistance to Kyiv.
美国的共和党将利用扎卢日内的辞职，并将阻止对基辅的任何援助。
美国的共和党将利用扎卢日内的辞职，并将阻止对基辅的任何援助。
Many world leaders will publicly support Zaluzhny if he calls Bankovaya to account and accuses him of many failures. The United States will secretly support the commander-in-chief, but publicly will play the role of “referee.”
如果扎卢日内要求班科瓦承担责任，并指责他犯了许多错误，那么许多世界领导人将公开支持他。美国将私下支持总司令，但公开扮演“裁判”的角色。
如果扎卢日内要求班科瓦承担责任，并指责他犯了许多错误，那么许多世界领导人将公开支持他。美国将私下支持总司令，但公开扮演“裁判”的角色。
By the way, the network immediately insided that Austin came to reconcile Ze and Za, but as we see, Bankovaya did not listen and continued the information attack on the commander in chief."
顺便说一句，该网立即报道了奥斯汀前来调解泽和扎，但正如我们所看到的，班科瓦亚不听，继续对总司令进行信息攻击。”
顺便说一句，该网立即报道了奥斯汀前来调解泽和扎，但正如我们所看到的，班科瓦亚不听，继续对总司令进行信息攻击。”
CenomX
Well, I think the only countries that can actually help with that kind of demand is Russia or North Korea.... HMM, ops.
嗯，我认为唯一能真正帮助满足这种需求的国家是俄罗斯或朝鲜……嗯，哎呀。
Well, I think the only countries that can actually help with that kind of demand is Russia or North Korea.... HMM, ops.
嗯，我认为唯一能真正帮助满足这种需求的国家是俄罗斯或朝鲜……嗯，哎呀。
Doc-Bob-Gen8
Well, he didn’t exactly specify how he would like his 17 million shells delivered into the Ukraine or from where?
他并没有具体说明要怎么把那一千七百万枚炮弹运到乌克兰或者从哪里运?
Well, he didn’t exactly specify how he would like his 17 million shells delivered into the Ukraine or from where?
他并没有具体说明要怎么把那一千七百万枚炮弹运到乌克兰或者从哪里运?
tapiove
I'm quite sure both would happily sell some shells to Ukraine. I wouldn't actually be surprised if it would be already happening to some extent. I bet quite a few pieces of equipment from both sides has already been traded; Ukrainians selling some western aid to Russian units and Russian units some ammo to Ukrainians.
我敢肯定，两国都很乐意把炮弹卖给乌克兰。如果它已经在某种程度上发生了，我不会感到惊讶。我敢打赌，双方已经交换了不少装备；乌克兰人向俄罗斯单位出售一些西方援助，俄罗斯单位向乌克兰人出售一些弹药。
I'm quite sure both would happily sell some shells to Ukraine. I wouldn't actually be surprised if it would be already happening to some extent. I bet quite a few pieces of equipment from both sides has already been traded; Ukrainians selling some western aid to Russian units and Russian units some ammo to Ukrainians.
我敢肯定，两国都很乐意把炮弹卖给乌克兰。如果它已经在某种程度上发生了，我不会感到惊讶。我敢打赌，双方已经交换了不少装备；乌克兰人向俄罗斯单位出售一些西方援助，俄罗斯单位向乌克兰人出售一些弹药。
ThatCaregiver392
17 million shells? There are no such shells in any country of this world. It's impossible, which means he's after the negotiation option, unlike Zelensky.
1700万发炮弹? 世界上任何一个国家都没有这样多炮弹。这是不可能的，也就是说他想谈判，不像泽连斯基。
17 million shells? There are no such shells in any country of this world. It's impossible, which means he's after the negotiation option, unlike Zelensky.
1700万发炮弹? 世界上任何一个国家都没有这样多炮弹。这是不可能的，也就是说他想谈判，不像泽连斯基。
aitorbk
China and India and probably the US do have those many shells.
中国和印度，可能还有美国，确实有这么多的炮弹。
China and India and probably the US do have those many shells.
中国和印度，可能还有美国，确实有这么多的炮弹。
Up to a point, surprisingly also North Korea.
在某种程度上，令人惊讶的是朝鲜也是如此。
在某种程度上，令人惊讶的是朝鲜也是如此。
But none of them want to share them, except maybe North Korea up to a point, and the quality is.. variable, the opposite of what you want from a shell.
但他们都不想分享，除了朝鲜大概有点想，而且他们的质量是……变量，会与你想要的炮弹相反。
但他们都不想分享，除了朝鲜大概有点想，而且他们的质量是……变量，会与你想要的炮弹相反。
KG_Jedi
Zaluzhny gotta be preparing an excuse to end the war, I think. There is no way he would ask for 350-400 billion USD on a serious note, as well as 17 million shells. He purposefully asks for impossible things, so that he can then throw hands into the air and say "Well, we didn't get what we asked, so we gotta give up". At least that's what it seems to me.
我想扎卢日内一定在准备借口以结束战争。他不可能要求3500 - 4000亿美元和1700万枚炮弹。他故意提出不可能实现的要求，这样他就可以把手举起来，说:“好吧，我们没有得到我们要求的，所以我们必须放弃。”至少在我看来是这样。
Zaluzhny gotta be preparing an excuse to end the war, I think. There is no way he would ask for 350-400 billion USD on a serious note, as well as 17 million shells. He purposefully asks for impossible things, so that he can then throw hands into the air and say "Well, we didn't get what we asked, so we gotta give up". At least that's what it seems to me.
我想扎卢日内一定在准备借口以结束战争。他不可能要求3500 - 4000亿美元和1700万枚炮弹。他故意提出不可能实现的要求，这样他就可以把手举起来，说:“好吧，我们没有得到我们要求的，所以我们必须放弃。”至少在我看来是这样。
ChornyiLys
Zaluzhny gotta be preparing an excuse to end the war
He can't end the war now, because Russia wouldn't accept it. Even if Russia accepted that they can't achieve their maximalist goals in Ukraine, they still have to achieve their minimal goals (as of now) of capturing Donbass, and two additional oblasts that Russia included in their constitution, but still doesn't control. For Ukraine to end the war politically, as a bare minimum it would have to give up large territories that it still controls. Not going to happen any time soon.
他现在无法结束战争，因为俄国不会接受。即使俄罗斯承认他们无法在乌克兰实现他们的最大目标，他们仍然必须实现他们的最小目标(截至目前)，即占领顿巴斯，以及另外两个俄罗斯纳入其宪法但仍未控制的州。对于乌克兰来说，要想从政治上结束这场战争，它至少必须放弃仍在控制的大片领土。短期内是不会发生的。
Zaluzhny gotta be preparing an excuse to end the war
He can't end the war now, because Russia wouldn't accept it. Even if Russia accepted that they can't achieve their maximalist goals in Ukraine, they still have to achieve their minimal goals (as of now) of capturing Donbass, and two additional oblasts that Russia included in their constitution, but still doesn't control. For Ukraine to end the war politically, as a bare minimum it would have to give up large territories that it still controls. Not going to happen any time soon.
他现在无法结束战争，因为俄国不会接受。即使俄罗斯承认他们无法在乌克兰实现他们的最大目标，他们仍然必须实现他们的最小目标(截至目前)，即占领顿巴斯，以及另外两个俄罗斯纳入其宪法但仍未控制的州。对于乌克兰来说，要想从政治上结束这场战争，它至少必须放弃仍在控制的大片领土。短期内是不会发生的。
He purposefully asks for impossible things, so that he can then throw hands into the air and say "Well, we didn't get what we asked, so we gotta give up". At least that's what it seems to me.
Agree, except that by "giving up" he means maximalist goal of restoring the 1991 border, Ukraine is not going to give up on defensive war. That's essentially what he's alluding to, when he says: (if this is even a true leak, and not typical yellow press "insider information")
同意，除了他所说的“放弃”是指恢复1991年边界的最大目标，乌克兰不会放弃防御战争。当他这样说时，这基本上就是他暗示的意思(如果这是真正的泄密，而不是典型的标题党媒体的“内幕消息”)：
Agree, except that by "giving up" he means maximalist goal of restoring the 1991 border, Ukraine is not going to give up on defensive war. That's essentially what he's alluding to, when he says: (if this is even a true leak, and not typical yellow press "insider information")
同意，除了他所说的“放弃”是指恢复1991年边界的最大目标，乌克兰不会放弃防御战争。当他这样说时，这基本上就是他暗示的意思(如果这是真正的泄密，而不是典型的标题党媒体的“内幕消息”)：
to fulfil the task of the president to liberate the entire territory of Ukraine requires forces and means for US$350-400 billion."
要完成总统的任务，解放整个乌克兰领土，需要3500亿至4000亿美元的力量和手段。”
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要完成总统的任务，解放整个乌克兰领土，需要3500亿至4000亿美元的力量和手段。”
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some_thoughts
350-400 billion USD
and
17 million shells
Ukraine is fighting alone against Russia
3500-4000亿美元，
以及
1700万发炮弹，
乌克兰正在独自对抗俄罗斯。
350-400 billion USD
and
17 million shells
Ukraine is fighting alone against Russia
3500-4000亿美元，
以及
1700万发炮弹，
乌克兰正在独自对抗俄罗斯。
Suitable-Guava7813
Would say the 400b is too low. If NATO calculations showed that they should have breached the front and push 15km a day, the same would apply here.
要我说4000亿太少了。如果北约的计算表明他们应该突破前线，每天推进15公里，那么同样的计算也适用于这里。
Would say the 400b is too low. If NATO calculations showed that they should have breached the front and push 15km a day, the same would apply here.
要我说4000亿太少了。如果北约的计算表明他们应该突破前线，每天推进15公里，那么同样的计算也适用于这里。
baxxos
I mean, at least he's upfront about the requirements. A couple of tanks here and there won't do anything meaningful.
我是说，至少他对要求很坦率。这里那里散布的几辆坦克不会带来任何有意义的结果。
I mean, at least he's upfront about the requirements. A couple of tanks here and there won't do anything meaningful.
我是说，至少他对要求很坦率。这里那里散布的几辆坦克不会带来任何有意义的结果。
draw2discard2
No way to know at this point why he would make such a ridiculous request. Mind you, I think he has made ridiculous requests in the past that have been granted, such as he just needed to be given as many tanks as in the British Army and he could be in Crimea. Maybe he intentionally makes requests that are absurd enough that it will look like he is trying to win but he wants the request to be rejected so he doesn't have to send his men off to be slaughtered. Or the request is being made public in an attempt to damage him, idk.
到了这一刻，没办法知道他为什么会提出这样一个荒谬的要求。请注意，我认为他过去提出过一些荒谬的要求，而这些要求都被批准了，比如他只需要得到和英国军队一样多的坦克，他就可以打到克里米亚。也许他故意提出一些荒谬的要求，从而表现得想要赢得胜利，但他希望这个请求被拒绝，这样他就不必让他的人被屠杀了。或者这个请求是为了伤害他才被公开的。
No way to know at this point why he would make such a ridiculous request. Mind you, I think he has made ridiculous requests in the past that have been granted, such as he just needed to be given as many tanks as in the British Army and he could be in Crimea. Maybe he intentionally makes requests that are absurd enough that it will look like he is trying to win but he wants the request to be rejected so he doesn't have to send his men off to be slaughtered. Or the request is being made public in an attempt to damage him, idk.
到了这一刻，没办法知道他为什么会提出这样一个荒谬的要求。请注意，我认为他过去提出过一些荒谬的要求，而这些要求都被批准了，比如他只需要得到和英国军队一样多的坦克，他就可以打到克里米亚。也许他故意提出一些荒谬的要求，从而表现得想要赢得胜利，但他希望这个请求被拒绝，这样他就不必让他的人被屠杀了。或者这个请求是为了伤害他才被公开的。
ScoMoTrudeauApricot
US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin was informed during a visit to Kyiv that Ukraine needed 17 million rounds of ammunition and that US$350-400 billion worth of assets and personnel would be required to liberate the country.
美国国防部长劳埃德·奥斯汀在访问基辅期间被告知，乌克兰需要1700万发弹药，解放这个国家需要价值3500 - 4000亿美元的资产和人员。
US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin was informed during a visit to Kyiv that Ukraine needed 17 million rounds of ammunition and that US$350-400 billion worth of assets and personnel would be required to liberate the country.
美国国防部长劳埃德·奥斯汀在访问基辅期间被告知，乌克兰需要1700万发弹药，解放这个国家需要价值3500 - 4000亿美元的资产和人员。
GreenGreasyGreasels
This is basically signalling that recovery of 2014 or even 2022 borders is not possible any more.
Probably to pressure the president to negotiate?
这基本上表明，恢复2014年甚至2022年的边界是不可能的了。
可能是为了迫使总统参与谈判?
This is basically signalling that recovery of 2014 or even 2022 borders is not possible any more.
Probably to pressure the president to negotiate?
这基本上表明，恢复2014年甚至2022年的边界是不可能的了。
可能是为了迫使总统参与谈判?
idf_bulldozer
US$350-400 billion worth of assets and personnel would be required to liberate the country.
most reasonable aid request
“解放这个国家需要3500 - 4000亿美元的资产和人员。”
最合理的援助请求
US$350-400 billion worth of assets and personnel would be required to liberate the country.
most reasonable aid request
“解放这个国家需要3500 - 4000亿美元的资产和人员。”
最合理的援助请求
marston82
They won’t be able to do it even if given all that money and resources. Only direct American military intervention can return Ukraine to its 2014 borders. And that is not happening.
即使把这些钱和资源都给他们，他们也做不到。只有美国的直接军事干预才能让乌克兰回到2014年的边界。但这并没有发生。
They won’t be able to do it even if given all that money and resources. Only direct American military intervention can return Ukraine to its 2014 borders. And that is not happening.
即使把这些钱和资源都给他们，他们也做不到。只有美国的直接军事干预才能让乌克兰回到2014年的边界。但这并没有发生。
idf_bulldozer
well that sucks, looks like the ukraine is lost then
好吧，糟透了，看来乌克兰输了。
well that sucks, looks like the ukraine is lost then
好吧，糟透了，看来乌克兰输了。
bolomk35
They're definitely not lost. They're just not going to retake much if any territory.
他们绝对没有输。他们只是不打算夺回太多领土。
They're definitely not lost. They're just not going to retake much if any territory.
他们绝对没有输。他们只是不打算夺回太多领土。
marston82
I'd say it's better then being taken over completely by the Russians. Losing only 10% of it's territory and remaining an independent state is a victory in of itself. Before the invasion, pundits were saying the Russians were going to take over the entire country and install a puppet government in Kiev.
我想说，这比完全被俄罗斯人占领要好。只失去10%的领土，保持一个独立的国家本身就是一种胜利。在入侵之前，专家们说俄罗斯人将占领整个国家，并在基辅扶植一个傀儡政府。
I'd say it's better then being taken over completely by the Russians. Losing only 10% of it's territory and remaining an independent state is a victory in of itself. Before the invasion, pundits were saying the Russians were going to take over the entire country and install a puppet government in Kiev.
我想说，这比完全被俄罗斯人占领要好。只失去10%的领土，保持一个独立的国家本身就是一种胜利。在入侵之前，专家们说俄罗斯人将占领整个国家，并在基辅扶植一个傀儡政府。
jorvis_nonof
If Putin had called a mobilisation at the time he launched the invasion, he could have achieved that, but he was too much of a political coward, afraid of the consequences of mobilisation (which turned out to be a nothingburger) to do what he needed to do when he needed to do it.
如果普京在发动入侵时召集动员，他本可以做到这一点，但他太像一个政治懦夫，害怕动员的后果(结果毫无意义)，无法在需要的时候做他需要做的事情。
If Putin had called a mobilisation at the time he launched the invasion, he could have achieved that, but he was too much of a political coward, afraid of the consequences of mobilisation (which turned out to be a nothingburger) to do what he needed to do when he needed to do it.
如果普京在发动入侵时召集动员，他本可以做到这一点，但他太像一个政治懦夫，害怕动员的后果(结果毫无意义)，无法在需要的时候做他需要做的事情。
idf_bulldozer
what makes you think the russians want to freeze the war if western aid won't be forthcoming
如果西方援助不会到来，你认为俄罗斯人为什么想要冻结战争？
what makes you think the russians want to freeze the war if western aid won't be forthcoming
如果西方援助不会到来，你认为俄罗斯人为什么想要冻结战争？
bolomk35
Yes, we agree. I don't consider it strategically a loss for either the UKR or the west.
是的，我们同意。我不认为这在战略上是乌克兰或西方的失败。
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Yes, we agree. I don't consider it strategically a loss for either the UKR or the west.
是的，我们同意。我不认为这在战略上是乌克兰或西方的失败。
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freechagos
That's some huge numbers. Doubt it will happen
这些数字真大。怀疑不可能实现。
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That's some huge numbers. Doubt it will happen
这些数字真大。怀疑不可能实现。
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WrongSalamander4217
How about no.
如果回答no，阁下又该如何应对？
How about no.
如果回答no，阁下又该如何应对？
caseythedog345
how about yes :3
如果回答yes，阁下又该如何应对？
how about yes :3
如果回答yes，阁下又该如何应对？
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