为什么唐朝初期皇帝的母亲是鲜卑人，但人们普遍认为唐朝是汉族王朝呢？
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In this way,UK is an African sovereignty long long time ago.
按照这种逻辑，英国很久以前就被视为非洲主权国家了。
Robert Dashang
China was a patriarchal society in ancient times, and it was rooted in China culture. In the Tang Dynasty, the paternal line was Han nationality and the culture was China culture. According to the logic of the questioner, in the Northern Wei Dynasty established by xianbei people, the emperor also had the maternal lineage of Han nationality. For example, Feng, the queen of Wencheng civilization in the Northern Wei Dynasty, and Yao, the queen of Zhao Ai in the Northern Wei Dynasty; So the Northern Wei Dynasty was established by the Han people? Some of the emperors of the Qing Dynasty were of Han Chinese and Mongolian ancestry, so they were not Manchu? Many emperors in the Roman Empire were not Romans. The Windsor dynasty in England did not come from Britain. Many European countries and even kings are foreign.
中国古代是父系社会，而且是根植于中国文化的。唐朝父系是汉族，文化是中国文化。如果按照提问之人的逻辑，那么鲜卑人建立的北魏王朝之中，皇帝也有汉族母系血统。比如北魏的文成文明皇后冯氏，以及北魏的昭哀皇后姚氏；所以北魏是汉人建立的王朝?清朝的皇帝的母系有些有汉人和蒙古人血统，那么他们不是满清？罗马帝国很多皇帝并非罗马人。英国的温莎王朝并非来自英国本土。欧洲很多国家甚至国王都是外国的。
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China was a patriarchal society in ancient times, and it was rooted in China culture. In the Tang Dynasty, the paternal line was Han nationality and the culture was China culture. According to the logic of the questioner, in the Northern Wei Dynasty established by xianbei people, the emperor also had the maternal lineage of Han nationality. For example, Feng, the queen of Wencheng civilization in the Northern Wei Dynasty, and Yao, the queen of Zhao Ai in the Northern Wei Dynasty; So the Northern Wei Dynasty was established by the Han people? Some of the emperors of the Qing Dynasty were of Han Chinese and Mongolian ancestry, so they were not Manchu? Many emperors in the Roman Empire were not Romans. The Windsor dynasty in England did not come from Britain. Many European countries and even kings are foreign.
中国古代是父系社会，而且是根植于中国文化的。唐朝父系是汉族，文化是中国文化。如果按照提问之人的逻辑，那么鲜卑人建立的北魏王朝之中，皇帝也有汉族母系血统。比如北魏的文成文明皇后冯氏，以及北魏的昭哀皇后姚氏；所以北魏是汉人建立的王朝?清朝的皇帝的母系有些有汉人和蒙古人血统，那么他们不是满清？罗马帝国很多皇帝并非罗马人。英国的温莎王朝并非来自英国本土。欧洲很多国家甚至国王都是外国的。
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Old Six Rabbit
My cousin is a Chinese Mongolian,his mother is a Chinese Han, his wife is a Chinese Wa, in this way,my two nephews are Chinese Mongolian.
Not only Han people, but also other ethnic groups in China. All patriarchal societies are all have same cognition ... If people's ethnicity and nationality are defined because of their matriarchal ethnicity and nationality, then I don't know how Europeans view their country's royal family are all foreigners.
The Taizong Emperor of Tang Dynasty(Nomad people called him Heaven Khan)Li Shimin李世民, also said that his ancestor was Li Er李耳, the founder of Taoism, a Chinese Han.
What's more, during the Tang Dynasty, xianbei already integrated into Chinese Han，just like the Southern Hun took their tribes and refuged to the Han Dynasty by Huhanye Chanyu 呼韩邪单于 and integrated into the Han since 51 BC. Later, he married Wang Zhaojun, one of the four beauties, the related relics are in Hohhot city, Inner Mongolia.
Before that period,there are other two big Hun tribes that naturalized to the Han Dynasty in 121 BC, xiutu tribe’s prince, Jin Midi 金日䃅 (134–85 BC), he was responsible for raising war horses for Emperor Wu Liu Che刘彻 and became an important trusted official at the end of Emperor Wu, as a refuged prince, he was even conferred the title of Marquis（this title was coveted by many generals) because of his brilliance performance and loyal, after his death, he was buried close to the mausoleum of Emperor Wu of Han Dynasty,the other two who have this kind of treatment are great Han generals Wei Qing 卫青 and Huo Qubing 霍去病. Because of studious and loyalty, Jin's family appeared important official during the Han Dynasty for seven generations,their later generations are Han people many with Jin金 and Cong丛 surname.
Old Six Rabbit
My cousin is a Chinese Mongolian,his mother is a Chinese Han, his wife is a Chinese Wa, in this way,my two nephews are Chinese Mongolian.
Not only Han people, but also other ethnic groups in China. All patriarchal societies are all have same cognition ... If people's ethnicity and nationality are defined because of their matriarchal ethnicity and nationality, then I don't know how Europeans view their country's royal family are all foreigners.
The Taizong Emperor of Tang Dynasty(Nomad people called him Heaven Khan)Li Shimin李世民, also said that his ancestor was Li Er李耳, the founder of Taoism, a Chinese Han.
What's more, during the Tang Dynasty, xianbei already integrated into Chinese Han，just like the Southern Hun took their tribes and refuged to the Han Dynasty by Huhanye Chanyu 呼韩邪单于 and integrated into the Han since 51 BC. Later, he married Wang Zhaojun, one of the four beauties, the related relics are in Hohhot city, Inner Mongolia.
Before that period,there are other two big Hun tribes that naturalized to the Han Dynasty in 121 BC, xiutu tribe’s prince, Jin Midi 金日䃅 (134–85 BC), he was responsible for raising war horses for Emperor Wu Liu Che刘彻 and became an important trusted official at the end of Emperor Wu, as a refuged prince, he was even conferred the title of Marquis（this title was coveted by many generals) because of his brilliance performance and loyal, after his death, he was buried close to the mausoleum of Emperor Wu of Han Dynasty,the other two who have this kind of treatment are great Han generals Wei Qing 卫青 and Huo Qubing 霍去病. Because of studious and loyalty, Jin's family appeared important official during the Han Dynasty for seven generations,their later generations are Han people many with Jin金 and Cong丛 surname.
These Hun people who merged during Qin and Han Dynasties also became part of the Han people.
我的堂弟是中国蒙古族，他的母亲是中国汉族，他的妻子是中国佤族，这样，我的两个侄子是中国蒙古族。
不仅是汉族，中国其他民族也是如此。所有的父权制社会都有相同的认知；如果因为母系种族和民族来定义人的种族和民族，那么我不知道欧洲人是如何看待他们国家的皇室都是外国人的。
唐太宗皇帝(游牧民族称他为天庭可汗)李世民，还说他的祖先是李耳道教的创始人，中国汉族。
此外，在唐朝时期，鲜卑已经融入了中国汉族，就像南方匈奴通过呼韩邪单于带走了他们的部落并投靠了汉朝一样，呼韩邪单于自公元前51年起融入汉人。后来，他娶了四大美女之一的王昭君，相关遗物都在内蒙古呼和浩特市。
在此之前，还有两个大的匈奴部落于公元前121年归化汉朝。其中，休屠部落的王子金日䃅（公元前134年–公元前85年），他曾负责为汉武帝刘彻饲养战马，并在武帝晚年成为一位备受信赖的重要官员。作为一位归降的王子，因其卓越的表现和忠诚，他甚至被赐予了侯爵的爵位（这一爵位是许多将军都梦寐以求的）。他去世后，被安葬在汉武帝陵墓附近，享有此种待遇的还有另外两位汉朝大将——卫青和霍去病。由于金家世代好学且忠诚，金氏家族在汉朝七代都有重要官员出现，他们的后代多为汉人，且多姓金或丛。
这些在秦汉时期融合的匈奴人也成为了汉人的一部分。
我的堂弟是中国蒙古族，他的母亲是中国汉族，他的妻子是中国佤族，这样，我的两个侄子是中国蒙古族。
不仅是汉族，中国其他民族也是如此。所有的父权制社会都有相同的认知；如果因为母系种族和民族来定义人的种族和民族，那么我不知道欧洲人是如何看待他们国家的皇室都是外国人的。
唐太宗皇帝(游牧民族称他为天庭可汗)李世民，还说他的祖先是李耳道教的创始人，中国汉族。
此外，在唐朝时期，鲜卑已经融入了中国汉族，就像南方匈奴通过呼韩邪单于带走了他们的部落并投靠了汉朝一样，呼韩邪单于自公元前51年起融入汉人。后来，他娶了四大美女之一的王昭君，相关遗物都在内蒙古呼和浩特市。
在此之前，还有两个大的匈奴部落于公元前121年归化汉朝。其中，休屠部落的王子金日䃅（公元前134年–公元前85年），他曾负责为汉武帝刘彻饲养战马，并在武帝晚年成为一位备受信赖的重要官员。作为一位归降的王子，因其卓越的表现和忠诚，他甚至被赐予了侯爵的爵位（这一爵位是许多将军都梦寐以求的）。他去世后，被安葬在汉武帝陵墓附近，享有此种待遇的还有另外两位汉朝大将——卫青和霍去病。由于金家世代好学且忠诚，金氏家族在汉朝七代都有重要官员出现，他们的后代多为汉人，且多姓金或丛。
这些在秦汉时期融合的匈奴人也成为了汉人的一部分。
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Siau Liu
Good history
不错的历史。
Siau Liu
Good history
不错的历史。
Sophie May
It's the same as that we can't say in a case scenario of Prince Archie ever becoming the King of the UK that the UK is an African sovereignty because King Archie's mother Meghan Markle has African blood.
就像我们不能在阿奇王子（Prince Archie）成为英国国王的假设情况下说英国是一个非洲主权国家一样，因为阿奇王子的母亲梅根·马克尔（Meghan Markle）有非洲血统。
It's the same as that we can't say in a case scenario of Prince Archie ever becoming the King of the UK that the UK is an African sovereignty because King Archie's mother Meghan Markle has African blood.
就像我们不能在阿奇王子（Prince Archie）成为英国国王的假设情况下说英国是一个非洲主权国家一样，因为阿奇王子的母亲梅根·马克尔（Meghan Markle）有非洲血统。
Old Six Rabbit
Never mind, they really like to tamper with history. Netflix series, Henry VIII of Tudor dynasty's wife already African blood
别在乎他们怎么说，他们真的很喜欢篡改历史。在Netflix的电视剧中，都铎王朝（Tudor dynasty）的亨利八世（Henry VIII）的妻子都已经有非洲血统了。”
Never mind, they really like to tamper with history. Netflix series, Henry VIII of Tudor dynasty's wife already African blood
别在乎他们怎么说，他们真的很喜欢篡改历史。在Netflix的电视剧中，都铎王朝（Tudor dynasty）的亨利八世（Henry VIII）的妻子都已经有非洲血统了。”
In this way,UK is an African sovereignty long long time ago.
按照这种逻辑，英国很久以前就被视为非洲主权国家了。
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George Hu
I've answered similar questions before. The concept of ethnicity in ancient China does not work in the way we moderners consider.
In ancient China, if your father was a Han Chinese and your mother was Japanese, then you were not considered half-Chinese or half-Han. You would only be considered as Han Chinese. Your mother's ethnicity did not affect yours. The only exception was if:
your father actually outcasted or disowned you
you could chose to adopt the ethnicity of their mother if your mother's family allowed it
In fact, the Chinese concept of a “surname” distills this down, it was a verification of your patriarchal lineage. In one simple introduction: “My name is Li Yuan,” you confirm your father and his father descended from a Han Chinese family. Go one step further and you could add that you were from the Longxi Li clan.
The reverse would also be true.
Emperor Shunzhi of Qing, his mother was Mongolian. Empress Dowager xiaozhuang’s name is Borjigit Bumbutai; this surname indicates her lineage could be traced back to Borjigin Temujin (more well known by his title Genghis Khan).
Emperor Kangxi of Qing, his mother was from the Han banner. Her family, the Tong clan, served the Qing Emperor since the founding of Qing, and was given the surname Tunggiya, as a sign of being “Manchu-ised.” Many members of the Tong family held important positions in the government during the Kangxi era.
(Even Hong Taiji’s mother was from the Nala clan of Yehe. While the Yehe were Jurchen, they were enemies of the Manchurian clans of the Qing family. So if I were to shift the goalpost a little I could say Hong Taiji was not pure-Manchurian either).
Was the Qing Dynasty ever considered half-Mongol? Or half-Han? No they weren’t. The Emperor’s patriarchal lineage was Manchurian, they practiced Manchurian customs and self-identified as Manchurians. They might have adopted some Han customs, but likewise the Tang Emperors practiced some customs seen as “barbaric” like being in inappropriate sexual relations.
我之前回答过类似的问题。在中国古代，民族的概念并不像我们现代人所理解的那样运作。
在中国古代，如果你的父亲是汉族，母亲是日本人，那么你不会被视为半中国人或半汉族。你只会被视为汉族人。你母亲的民族并不会影响你的民族归属。唯一的例外是：
你的父亲实际上将你驱逐或与你断绝关系。
如果你母亲的家族允许，你可以选择继承你母亲的民族。
事实上，中国的“姓氏”概念体现了这一点，它是验证你父系血统的方式。通过一句简单的介绍：“我叫李渊”，你就确认了你的父亲以及他父亲的家族是汉族。再进一步，你还可以说明你来自陇西李氏家族。
反过来也同样适用。
清朝的顺治皇帝，他的母亲是蒙古族人。孝庄皇后的名字是博尔济吉特·布木布泰；这个姓氏表明她的血统可以追溯到博尔济吉特·铁木真（更广为人知的是他的称号成吉思汗）。
清朝的康熙皇帝，他的母亲来自汉军旗。她的家族是佟氏，自清朝建立以来一直为清朝皇帝服务，并被赐予了佟佳氏这个姓氏，作为“满化”的标志。在康熙时期，佟氏家族中有多人在政府中担任重要职位。
（甚至皇太极的母亲也来自叶赫部的纳喇氏。虽然叶赫部是女真人，但他们是清朝家族中满族部落的敌人。所以，如果我稍微改变一下话题，我也可以说皇太极也不是纯粹的满族人）。
清朝是否曾被视为半蒙古族？或者半汉族？不，他们没有。皇帝的父系血统是满族，他们遵循满族习俗，并自认为是满族人。他们可能采纳了一些汉族习俗，但同样，唐朝皇帝也实行了一些被视为“野蛮”的习俗，比如不恰当的性关系。
George Hu
I've answered similar questions before. The concept of ethnicity in ancient China does not work in the way we moderners consider.
In ancient China, if your father was a Han Chinese and your mother was Japanese, then you were not considered half-Chinese or half-Han. You would only be considered as Han Chinese. Your mother's ethnicity did not affect yours. The only exception was if:
your father actually outcasted or disowned you
you could chose to adopt the ethnicity of their mother if your mother's family allowed it
In fact, the Chinese concept of a “surname” distills this down, it was a verification of your patriarchal lineage. In one simple introduction: “My name is Li Yuan,” you confirm your father and his father descended from a Han Chinese family. Go one step further and you could add that you were from the Longxi Li clan.
The reverse would also be true.
Emperor Shunzhi of Qing, his mother was Mongolian. Empress Dowager xiaozhuang’s name is Borjigit Bumbutai; this surname indicates her lineage could be traced back to Borjigin Temujin (more well known by his title Genghis Khan).
Emperor Kangxi of Qing, his mother was from the Han banner. Her family, the Tong clan, served the Qing Emperor since the founding of Qing, and was given the surname Tunggiya, as a sign of being “Manchu-ised.” Many members of the Tong family held important positions in the government during the Kangxi era.
(Even Hong Taiji’s mother was from the Nala clan of Yehe. While the Yehe were Jurchen, they were enemies of the Manchurian clans of the Qing family. So if I were to shift the goalpost a little I could say Hong Taiji was not pure-Manchurian either).
Was the Qing Dynasty ever considered half-Mongol? Or half-Han? No they weren’t. The Emperor’s patriarchal lineage was Manchurian, they practiced Manchurian customs and self-identified as Manchurians. They might have adopted some Han customs, but likewise the Tang Emperors practiced some customs seen as “barbaric” like being in inappropriate sexual relations.
我之前回答过类似的问题。在中国古代，民族的概念并不像我们现代人所理解的那样运作。
在中国古代，如果你的父亲是汉族，母亲是日本人，那么你不会被视为半中国人或半汉族。你只会被视为汉族人。你母亲的民族并不会影响你的民族归属。唯一的例外是：
你的父亲实际上将你驱逐或与你断绝关系。
如果你母亲的家族允许，你可以选择继承你母亲的民族。
事实上，中国的“姓氏”概念体现了这一点，它是验证你父系血统的方式。通过一句简单的介绍：“我叫李渊”，你就确认了你的父亲以及他父亲的家族是汉族。再进一步，你还可以说明你来自陇西李氏家族。
反过来也同样适用。
清朝的顺治皇帝，他的母亲是蒙古族人。孝庄皇后的名字是博尔济吉特·布木布泰；这个姓氏表明她的血统可以追溯到博尔济吉特·铁木真（更广为人知的是他的称号成吉思汗）。
清朝的康熙皇帝，他的母亲来自汉军旗。她的家族是佟氏，自清朝建立以来一直为清朝皇帝服务，并被赐予了佟佳氏这个姓氏，作为“满化”的标志。在康熙时期，佟氏家族中有多人在政府中担任重要职位。
（甚至皇太极的母亲也来自叶赫部的纳喇氏。虽然叶赫部是女真人，但他们是清朝家族中满族部落的敌人。所以，如果我稍微改变一下话题，我也可以说皇太极也不是纯粹的满族人）。
清朝是否曾被视为半蒙古族？或者半汉族？不，他们没有。皇帝的父系血统是满族，他们遵循满族习俗，并自认为是满族人。他们可能采纳了一些汉族习俗，但同样，唐朝皇帝也实行了一些被视为“野蛮”的习俗，比如不恰当的性关系。
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Do Chen
Such silly and stupid questions. The British royal family has German blood, so Britain is not Britain? Napolén was born in Corsica, Italy. He has Italian descent, so Napolén's First French Empire should be Italian? Beginning with Peter the Great, marriages between the Russian royal family and German princesses led to a German element in the royal lineage. Peter III was of German Germanic descent, while Catherine II was of pure Prussian descent. Who raises the most stupid question of Russia ever being Germany? Please do not double standards.
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这是智障问题。英国王室有德国血统，所以英国不是英国？拿破仑出生于意大利科西嘉岛。他有意大利血统，所以拿破仑的第一个法兰西帝国应该是意大利人？从彼得大帝开始，俄罗斯皇室和德国公主之间的婚姻导致了皇室血统中的德国元素。彼得三世是德国日耳曼血统，而凯瑟琳二世是纯普鲁士血统。谁提出了俄罗斯是德国这一最愚蠢的问题？请不要双重标准。
Do Chen
Such silly and stupid questions. The British royal family has German blood, so Britain is not Britain? Napolén was born in Corsica, Italy. He has Italian descent, so Napolén's First French Empire should be Italian? Beginning with Peter the Great, marriages between the Russian royal family and German princesses led to a German element in the royal lineage. Peter III was of German Germanic descent, while Catherine II was of pure Prussian descent. Who raises the most stupid question of Russia ever being Germany? Please do not double standards.
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这是智障问题。英国王室有德国血统，所以英国不是英国？拿破仑出生于意大利科西嘉岛。他有意大利血统，所以拿破仑的第一个法兰西帝国应该是意大利人？从彼得大帝开始，俄罗斯皇室和德国公主之间的婚姻导致了皇室血统中的德国元素。彼得三世是德国日耳曼血统，而凯瑟琳二世是纯普鲁士血统。谁提出了俄罗斯是德国这一最愚蠢的问题？请不要双重标准。
TCC
You’re comparing apples to oranges a bit. Catherine the Great was 100% considered a foreigner during her time as Crown Princess and had to “become” Russian. Even after she was crowned Empress, there were factions at court that still considered her a foreign usurper. Yes, Catherine the Great was Empress of All the Russias, but no, Russians do not then and do not now consider her to be Russian
你有点把苹果和橘子相提并论。凯瑟琳大帝在她当太子妃期间100%被认为是外国人，她必须“成为”俄罗斯人。即使在她被加冕为皇后之后，宫廷中仍有一些派系认为她是一个外来的篡位者。是的，叶卡捷琳娜大帝是全俄罗斯的女皇，但是不，俄罗斯人过去和现在都不认为她是俄罗斯人。
You’re comparing apples to oranges a bit. Catherine the Great was 100% considered a foreigner during her time as Crown Princess and had to “become” Russian. Even after she was crowned Empress, there were factions at court that still considered her a foreign usurper. Yes, Catherine the Great was Empress of All the Russias, but no, Russians do not then and do not now consider her to be Russian
你有点把苹果和橘子相提并论。凯瑟琳大帝在她当太子妃期间100%被认为是外国人，她必须“成为”俄罗斯人。即使在她被加冕为皇后之后，宫廷中仍有一些派系认为她是一个外来的篡位者。是的，叶卡捷琳娜大帝是全俄罗斯的女皇，但是不，俄罗斯人过去和现在都不认为她是俄罗斯人。
Do Chen
So Russia ruled by Catherine is not Russians Russia, but Germans Russia? Or should its country name be Germany?
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所以凯瑟琳统治的俄罗斯不是俄罗斯人的俄罗斯，而是德国人的俄罗斯？或者它的国名应该是德国？
So Russia ruled by Catherine is not Russians Russia, but Germans Russia? Or should its country name be Germany?
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所以凯瑟琳统治的俄罗斯不是俄罗斯人的俄罗斯，而是德国人的俄罗斯？或者它的国名应该是德国？
TCC
That’s the not the point of contention the question/answer is based on. Obviously, it was Russia. The point of contention is whether or not The Tang rulers were Han. They were and people both in China at that time and now considered them to be Han Chinese. Yes, they had foreign blood, but because it was matrilineal, it didn’t matter.For Russia and other European countries, it’s more of a case by case basis. As I just said: Catherine was Empress of Russia, but no, Russian people did not and do not consider her to be Russian. This is very different to Chinese history.
这不是问题/答案的争论点。很明显，是俄罗斯。争论的焦点是唐朝统治者是否是汉人。他们当时是中国的汉族人，现在认为他们是汉族人。是的，他们有外国血统，但因为是母系血统，所以没关系。对俄罗斯和其他欧洲国家来说，这更多的是个案基础。正如我刚才所说的:凯瑟琳是俄罗斯的女皇，但是不，俄罗斯人民过去和现在都不认为她是俄罗斯人。这和中国历史很不一样。
That’s the not the point of contention the question/answer is based on. Obviously, it was Russia. The point of contention is whether or not The Tang rulers were Han. They were and people both in China at that time and now considered them to be Han Chinese. Yes, they had foreign blood, but because it was matrilineal, it didn’t matter.For Russia and other European countries, it’s more of a case by case basis. As I just said: Catherine was Empress of Russia, but no, Russian people did not and do not consider her to be Russian. This is very different to Chinese history.
这不是问题/答案的争论点。很明显，是俄罗斯。争论的焦点是唐朝统治者是否是汉人。他们当时是中国的汉族人，现在认为他们是汉族人。是的，他们有外国血统，但因为是母系血统，所以没关系。对俄罗斯和其他欧洲国家来说，这更多的是个案基础。正如我刚才所说的:凯瑟琳是俄罗斯的女皇，但是不，俄罗斯人民过去和现在都不认为她是俄罗斯人。这和中国历史很不一样。
Do Chen
You haven't seen the logic behind asking such a question clearly. Or perhaps you are one of them. Unless you pretend not to understand. This kind of question or statement is repeatedly raised. Their intentions behind it have long been clear. They first proved that the emperor of the Tang Dynasty was not a Han, and then they proved that the Tang Dynasty was not a Chinese dynasty. However, it is an ironclad fact that Yekaterina is of German origin, but no Westerner would think that Russia at that time was not Russia of Russians, but Russia of Germans. Its sinister intentions are clearly exposed.
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你还没看清楚问这样一个问题背后的逻辑。或许你就是其中之一。除非你假装不明白。这种问题或说法被反复提出。他们背后的意图早已昭然若揭。他们先是证明唐朝皇帝不是汉人，然后又证明唐朝不是中国王朝。但是，叶卡捷琳娜是德国血统是铁一般的事实，但是没有一个西方人会认为当时的俄罗斯不是俄罗斯人的俄罗斯，而是德国人的俄罗斯。其险恶用心昭然若揭。
You haven't seen the logic behind asking such a question clearly. Or perhaps you are one of them. Unless you pretend not to understand. This kind of question or statement is repeatedly raised. Their intentions behind it have long been clear. They first proved that the emperor of the Tang Dynasty was not a Han, and then they proved that the Tang Dynasty was not a Chinese dynasty. However, it is an ironclad fact that Yekaterina is of German origin, but no Westerner would think that Russia at that time was not Russia of Russians, but Russia of Germans. Its sinister intentions are clearly exposed.
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你还没看清楚问这样一个问题背后的逻辑。或许你就是其中之一。除非你假装不明白。这种问题或说法被反复提出。他们背后的意图早已昭然若揭。他们先是证明唐朝皇帝不是汉人，然后又证明唐朝不是中国王朝。但是，叶卡捷琳娜是德国血统是铁一般的事实，但是没有一个西方人会认为当时的俄罗斯不是俄罗斯人的俄罗斯，而是德国人的俄罗斯。其险恶用心昭然若揭。
TCC
“Them”? Who? I don’t think there’s any logic behind the question, really. It just seems ignorant and poorly informed, but I don’t know if I’m in a place to assume their attentions. In any case, this is the first time I’ve seen this question.
“他们”？谁？我认为这个问题背后并没有什么逻辑，真的。它看起来既无知又缺乏信息，但我不知道我是否有资格去揣测他们的意图。无论如何，这是我第一次看到这个问题。
“Them”? Who? I don’t think there’s any logic behind the question, really. It just seems ignorant and poorly informed, but I don’t know if I’m in a place to assume their attentions. In any case, this is the first time I’ve seen this question.
“他们”？谁？我认为这个问题背后并没有什么逻辑，真的。它看起来既无知又缺乏信息，但我不知道我是否有资格去揣测他们的意图。无论如何，这是我第一次看到这个问题。
Do Chen
Please read his question carefully.
请仔细阅读他的问题。
Please read his question carefully.
请仔细阅读他的问题。
Hu Shi xiong
She was the one who ironically would have ended Prussia wouldn't she ?
讽刺的是，是她终结了普鲁士，不是吗？
She was the one who ironically would have ended Prussia wouldn't she ?
讽刺的是，是她终结了普鲁士，不是吗？
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Emmanuel-Francis Nwaolisa Ogomegbunam
Tang Emperors practiced some customs seen as “barbaric” like being in inappropriate sexual relations.Lannister Tangs?
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唐朝皇帝实行一些被视为“野蛮”的习俗，比如不正当的性关系。兰尼斯特·唐 家族？
Emmanuel-Francis Nwaolisa Ogomegbunam
Tang Emperors practiced some customs seen as “barbaric” like being in inappropriate sexual relations.Lannister Tangs?
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唐朝皇帝实行一些被视为“野蛮”的习俗，比如不正当的性关系。兰尼斯特·唐 家族？
Hu Shi xiong
…wonder if it's worse only not written down since the period preceding sui-tang had notable cases especially northern Qi
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……我在想，是不是因为没有文字记录，所以情况比想象中还要糟糕，毕竟隋唐之前的时期，尤其是北齐，就有不少显著的案例。
…wonder if it's worse only not written down since the period preceding sui-tang had notable cases especially northern Qi
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……我在想，是不是因为没有文字记录，所以情况比想象中还要糟糕，毕竟隋唐之前的时期，尤其是北齐，就有不少显著的案例。
Emmanuel-Francis Nwaolisa Ogomegbunam
Chinese dynasties had incest?C-dramas have been lying to me!
中国历代都有乱伦？中剧一直在骗我！
Chinese dynasties had incest?C-dramas have been lying to me!
中国历代都有乱伦？中剧一直在骗我！
George Hu
“My dead brother abused his power to sleep with my wife. Now that I'm Emperor I get to repay in kind.” - some Northern Qi Emperor, probably
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“我死去的哥哥滥用权力与我的妻子同床共枕。现在我做了皇帝，我也要以同样的方式报复。”——某位北齐皇帝。（或许有）。
“My dead brother abused his power to sleep with my wife. Now that I'm Emperor I get to repay in kind.” - some Northern Qi Emperor, probably
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“我死去的哥哥滥用权力与我的妻子同床共枕。现在我做了皇帝，我也要以同样的方式报复。”——某位北齐皇帝。（或许有）。
TCC
Yep. Zheng Chenggong was born in Japan to a Japanese mother and lived there as a child, but it’s still 100% Han Chinese.
没错。郑成功出生在日本，母亲是日本人，小时候在日本生活，但他仍然是100%的汉族人。
Yep. Zheng Chenggong was born in Japan to a Japanese mother and lived there as a child, but it’s still 100% Han Chinese.
没错。郑成功出生在日本，母亲是日本人，小时候在日本生活，但他仍然是100%的汉族人。
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Jason.kete
Ancient society, especially Chinese society, was generally patriarchal.
That is, your surname and ethnic group affiliation are mainly determined by your father, not your mother.
Similarly, in China during the Northern Dynasties, the mothers of some xianbei emperors were actually Han empresses, but no one would classify them as Han dynasties; there are many such examples, such as the Tubo Empire (Tibet) during the Tang Dynasty, the xiongnu during the Han Dynasty, and the Qing Dynasty, which almost all had Han empresses and empresses of other ethnic groups.
According to matriarchal affiliation, Chinese history may have been almost all Han dynasties...
According to historical records, the paternal line of the Tang Dynasty royal family was the Li family of Longxi, which was one of the wealthy families of the Han people.
The same was true for the Sui Dynasty. According to official records, the royal family of the Sui Dynasty was the Hongnong Yang family, which was also one of the wealthy families of the Han people.
Moreover, according to records, Tang Dynasty poets and officials could write poems to insult the xianbei, but the Tang Dynasty royal family did not care at all. This further shows that maternal bloodline was indeed of little value in ancient China.
古代社会，尤其是中国社会，普遍是父权制的。
也就是说，你的姓氏和民族归属主要由你的父亲决定，而不是你的母亲。
同样地，在中国南北朝时期，一些鲜卑族皇帝的母亲实际上是汉族皇后，但没有人会将这些朝代归类为汉族朝代；这样的例子还有很多，比如唐朝时期的吐蕃帝国（西藏）、汉朝时期的匈奴，以及清朝，这些朝代几乎都拥有汉族皇后和其他民族的皇后。
如果按照母系归属来看，中国历史可能几乎都是汉族朝代……
据史书记载，唐朝皇室的父系是陇西李氏，这是汉族的望族之一。
隋朝也同样如此。据官方记载，隋朝皇室是弘农杨氏，这也是汉族的望族之一。
而且，据记载，唐朝的诗人和官员可以写诗侮辱鲜卑族，但唐朝皇室根本不在意。这进一步表明，在古代中国，母系血统确实没有太大的价值。
Jason.kete
Ancient society, especially Chinese society, was generally patriarchal.
That is, your surname and ethnic group affiliation are mainly determined by your father, not your mother.
Similarly, in China during the Northern Dynasties, the mothers of some xianbei emperors were actually Han empresses, but no one would classify them as Han dynasties; there are many such examples, such as the Tubo Empire (Tibet) during the Tang Dynasty, the xiongnu during the Han Dynasty, and the Qing Dynasty, which almost all had Han empresses and empresses of other ethnic groups.
According to matriarchal affiliation, Chinese history may have been almost all Han dynasties...
According to historical records, the paternal line of the Tang Dynasty royal family was the Li family of Longxi, which was one of the wealthy families of the Han people.
The same was true for the Sui Dynasty. According to official records, the royal family of the Sui Dynasty was the Hongnong Yang family, which was also one of the wealthy families of the Han people.
Moreover, according to records, Tang Dynasty poets and officials could write poems to insult the xianbei, but the Tang Dynasty royal family did not care at all. This further shows that maternal bloodline was indeed of little value in ancient China.
古代社会，尤其是中国社会，普遍是父权制的。
也就是说，你的姓氏和民族归属主要由你的父亲决定，而不是你的母亲。
同样地，在中国南北朝时期，一些鲜卑族皇帝的母亲实际上是汉族皇后，但没有人会将这些朝代归类为汉族朝代；这样的例子还有很多，比如唐朝时期的吐蕃帝国（西藏）、汉朝时期的匈奴，以及清朝，这些朝代几乎都拥有汉族皇后和其他民族的皇后。
如果按照母系归属来看，中国历史可能几乎都是汉族朝代……
据史书记载，唐朝皇室的父系是陇西李氏，这是汉族的望族之一。
隋朝也同样如此。据官方记载，隋朝皇室是弘农杨氏，这也是汉族的望族之一。
而且，据记载，唐朝的诗人和官员可以写诗侮辱鲜卑族，但唐朝皇室根本不在意。这进一步表明，在古代中国，母系血统确实没有太大的价值。
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Freddie Chen
Where is xianbei now?
Or where was xianbei at Tang Dynasty？
The same question you can put on Moxie, Rouran, Tujue, Bohai, etc.
They all melted into Han ethnic.
Yes, Han ethnic has its own special geneme differ with other ethnics. (The interesting part is that you can find gene makeup difference between North and South Han ethnic since that different minotiry ethnics melted with them in the history.) However, it is still kind of a cultural concept. A lot of things we think that are Han culture are actually introduced from minority ethnic which melted into Han in the history.
Like Han ethnic sit on the mat on the floor before South and North dynasties because that “Chair” was introduced by minority ethnic later. And at very beginning there is no “chair” such a word in Han language and it was called “胡床” “Hu people's bed” (Hu is a general name for all minority ethnic people and foreign people.)
Freddie Chen
Where is xianbei now?
Or where was xianbei at Tang Dynasty？
The same question you can put on Moxie, Rouran, Tujue, Bohai, etc.
They all melted into Han ethnic.
Yes, Han ethnic has its own special geneme differ with other ethnics. (The interesting part is that you can find gene makeup difference between North and South Han ethnic since that different minotiry ethnics melted with them in the history.) However, it is still kind of a cultural concept. A lot of things we think that are Han culture are actually introduced from minority ethnic which melted into Han in the history.
Like Han ethnic sit on the mat on the floor before South and North dynasties because that “Chair” was introduced by minority ethnic later. And at very beginning there is no “chair” such a word in Han language and it was called “胡床” “Hu people's bed” (Hu is a general name for all minority ethnic people and foreign people.)
xianbei nobels started sinofication at mid of North Wei Dynasty (AD 484) which ruled most part of North of China.
Tang Dynasty founded in AD 618. xianbei already completely melted into Han ethnic.
鲜卑现在在哪里？
或者鲜卑在唐朝时在哪里？
同样的问题你也可以问柔然、突厥、渤海等民族。
他们都融入了汉族。
是的，汉族有自己独特的、与其他民族不同的基因。（有趣的是，你可以发现南北汉族之间的基因差异，因为历史上不同的少数民族与他们融合了。）然而，这仍然是一种文化概念。我们认为的很多汉族文化实际上是从历史上融入汉族的少数民族那里引入的。
比如，在南北朝之前，汉族人是坐在地上的垫子上的，因为“椅子”是后来由少数民族引入的。一开始，汉族语言里并没有“椅子”这个词，而是被称为“胡床”，“胡人的床”（胡是对所有少数民族和外国人的统称）。
鲜卑贵族在北魏中期（公元484年）开始汉化，北魏统治了中国的大部分北方地区。
唐朝成立于公元618年。那时，鲜卑已经完全融入了汉族。
Tang Dynasty founded in AD 618. xianbei already completely melted into Han ethnic.
鲜卑现在在哪里？
或者鲜卑在唐朝时在哪里？
同样的问题你也可以问柔然、突厥、渤海等民族。
他们都融入了汉族。
是的，汉族有自己独特的、与其他民族不同的基因。（有趣的是，你可以发现南北汉族之间的基因差异，因为历史上不同的少数民族与他们融合了。）然而，这仍然是一种文化概念。我们认为的很多汉族文化实际上是从历史上融入汉族的少数民族那里引入的。
比如，在南北朝之前，汉族人是坐在地上的垫子上的，因为“椅子”是后来由少数民族引入的。一开始，汉族语言里并没有“椅子”这个词，而是被称为“胡床”，“胡人的床”（胡是对所有少数民族和外国人的统称）。
鲜卑贵族在北魏中期（公元484年）开始汉化，北魏统治了中国的大部分北方地区。
唐朝成立于公元618年。那时，鲜卑已经完全融入了汉族。
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Jason Januari
Hi Lanboall. Since you studied Roman and Greek history, and recently Asian. I’m just gonna explain this using the Roman worldview for comparison.
The Sui and Tang royal family may have xianbei blood but the family identify themselves as Han Chinese. As other more detailed Quoran answer here has answered, this is due to Han Chinese culture are patriarchal hence the son is more likely to inherit the father family name.
Another factor is that both families are living in China where the majority are Han ethnic that they are more likely to identify as Han Chinese due to their environment where they grew up.
The comparison to Rome is that some Roman emperors weren’t from the Italian peninsulla few were even racially recorded as not European. The most famous one is emperor Septimius Severus (145–211 A.D.).
Severus was born in Leptis Magna (today Libya, North Africa) from a mix of Roman-Libyan-Punic heritage. Contemporary historian, Cassius Dio, even recorded him as racially Libyan. Conspiracy theories even think he had dark skin color. Yet, still called a Roman by the Roman citizens because he practiced Roman traditions.
Then if we included the Byzantine empire, most of their emperors weren’t culturally Romans, but Greeks and they also had a mix of Balkan-Bulgar-Norse-Khazar-Arab ancestries, yet still calling themselves and were called by their people Romans because they practiced Roman traditions.
Hope this helps your understanding of Chinese history.
嗨，Lanboall。由于你研究过罗马和希腊历史，以及最近的亚洲历史，我将用罗马的世界观来解释这个问题，以便进行比较。
隋朝和唐朝皇室可能有鲜卑血统，但他们自认为是汉族。正如这里其他更详细的Quoran（可能是指Quora，一个问答网站）回答所指出的，这是由于汉族文化是父权制的，因此儿子更有可能继承父亲的姓氏。
另一个因素是，这两个家族都生活在汉族占大多数的中国，因此他们更有可能因为成长环境而自认为是汉族。
与罗马的对比是，一些罗马皇帝并非来自意大利半岛，甚至有几位种族上被记录为非欧洲人。其中最著名的是塞普蒂米乌斯·塞维鲁（145-211年）。
塞维鲁出生于莱普蒂斯马格纳（今利比亚，北非），拥有罗马-利比亚-腓尼基血统的混合体。当代历史学家卡西乌斯·迪奥甚至将他记录为种族上的利比亚人。阴谋论者甚至认为他有深色皮肤。然而，罗马公民仍然称他为罗马人，因为他遵循罗马传统。
然后，如果我们把拜占庭帝国也包括在内，那么他们的大多数皇帝在文化上都不是罗马人，而是希腊人，并且他们还是巴尔干-保加利亚-诺斯-可萨-阿拉伯血统的混合体，但他们仍然自称为罗马人，并且被人民称为罗马人，因为他们遵循罗马传统。
希望这有助于你理解中国历史。
Jason Januari
Hi Lanboall. Since you studied Roman and Greek history, and recently Asian. I’m just gonna explain this using the Roman worldview for comparison.
The Sui and Tang royal family may have xianbei blood but the family identify themselves as Han Chinese. As other more detailed Quoran answer here has answered, this is due to Han Chinese culture are patriarchal hence the son is more likely to inherit the father family name.
Another factor is that both families are living in China where the majority are Han ethnic that they are more likely to identify as Han Chinese due to their environment where they grew up.
The comparison to Rome is that some Roman emperors weren’t from the Italian peninsulla few were even racially recorded as not European. The most famous one is emperor Septimius Severus (145–211 A.D.).
Severus was born in Leptis Magna (today Libya, North Africa) from a mix of Roman-Libyan-Punic heritage. Contemporary historian, Cassius Dio, even recorded him as racially Libyan. Conspiracy theories even think he had dark skin color. Yet, still called a Roman by the Roman citizens because he practiced Roman traditions.
Then if we included the Byzantine empire, most of their emperors weren’t culturally Romans, but Greeks and they also had a mix of Balkan-Bulgar-Norse-Khazar-Arab ancestries, yet still calling themselves and were called by their people Romans because they practiced Roman traditions.
Hope this helps your understanding of Chinese history.
嗨，Lanboall。由于你研究过罗马和希腊历史，以及最近的亚洲历史，我将用罗马的世界观来解释这个问题，以便进行比较。
隋朝和唐朝皇室可能有鲜卑血统，但他们自认为是汉族。正如这里其他更详细的Quoran（可能是指Quora，一个问答网站）回答所指出的，这是由于汉族文化是父权制的，因此儿子更有可能继承父亲的姓氏。
另一个因素是，这两个家族都生活在汉族占大多数的中国，因此他们更有可能因为成长环境而自认为是汉族。
与罗马的对比是，一些罗马皇帝并非来自意大利半岛，甚至有几位种族上被记录为非欧洲人。其中最著名的是塞普蒂米乌斯·塞维鲁（145-211年）。
塞维鲁出生于莱普蒂斯马格纳（今利比亚，北非），拥有罗马-利比亚-腓尼基血统的混合体。当代历史学家卡西乌斯·迪奥甚至将他记录为种族上的利比亚人。阴谋论者甚至认为他有深色皮肤。然而，罗马公民仍然称他为罗马人，因为他遵循罗马传统。
然后，如果我们把拜占庭帝国也包括在内，那么他们的大多数皇帝在文化上都不是罗马人，而是希腊人，并且他们还是巴尔干-保加利亚-诺斯-可萨-阿拉伯血统的混合体，但他们仍然自称为罗马人，并且被人民称为罗马人，因为他们遵循罗马传统。
希望这有助于你理解中国历史。
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