华为新麒麟9020芯片将改变一切！
正文翻译
Get ready for a revolution in mobile technology! Huawei's latest Kirin 9020 chip is set to change the game with its unprecedented power, efficiency, and capabilities.
准备好迎接移动技术的革命吧！华为最新的麒麟9020芯片将以其前所未有的性能、效率和能力改变游戏规则。
Get ready for a revolution in mobile technology! Huawei's latest Kirin 9020 chip is set to change the game with its unprecedented power, efficiency, and capabilities.
准备好迎接移动技术的革命吧！华为最新的麒麟9020芯片将以其前所未有的性能、效率和能力改变游戏规则。
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@nickl1177
Keep innovating Huawei, and please ban export rare earth to US. Let's see who comes begging first.
华为继续创新，请禁止向美国出口稀土。让我们看看谁先乞求。
Keep innovating Huawei, and please ban export rare earth to US. Let's see who comes begging first.
华为继续创新，请禁止向美国出口稀土。让我们看看谁先乞求。
@SamJonny-gc5rm
That's absolutely amazing, some people were saying that it is a midrange performance, but they refuse to accept the fact that the kirin 9020 is more powerful than the SD 8gen 1 which is a flagship released about 2 years ago,
Report stated that the antutu score of the 9020 is over 1.2 million, is this what you guys called a midrange performance..... Why can't you accept reality for once....
For your information huawei is here to stay and nothing on earth can stop it from progressing, check the so-called iPhone that you worshipped and compare it to this masterpiece, the only thing that I can accept is better on the iPhone is the processor.
The mate 70 pro can beat it in every other aspects hands down without sweating..
这绝对令人惊叹，有些人说这是中端性能，但他们拒绝接受麒麟 9020 比大约 2 年前发布的旗舰 骁龙 8gen 1 更强大的事实。
报告称9020的安兔兔跑分超过120万，这就是你们所谓的中端性能吗？为什么你们就不能接受现实一次呢……
供您参考，华为将继续存在，世界上没有什么可以阻止它进步，看看你们崇拜的所谓 iPhone，并将其与这款杰作进行比较，我唯一能接受的 iPhone 更好的是处理器。
Mate 70 Pro 可以在其他各个方面轻松击败它。
That's absolutely amazing, some people were saying that it is a midrange performance, but they refuse to accept the fact that the kirin 9020 is more powerful than the SD 8gen 1 which is a flagship released about 2 years ago,
Report stated that the antutu score of the 9020 is over 1.2 million, is this what you guys called a midrange performance..... Why can't you accept reality for once....
For your information huawei is here to stay and nothing on earth can stop it from progressing, check the so-called iPhone that you worshipped and compare it to this masterpiece, the only thing that I can accept is better on the iPhone is the processor.
The mate 70 pro can beat it in every other aspects hands down without sweating..
这绝对令人惊叹，有些人说这是中端性能，但他们拒绝接受麒麟 9020 比大约 2 年前发布的旗舰 骁龙 8gen 1 更强大的事实。
报告称9020的安兔兔跑分超过120万，这就是你们所谓的中端性能吗？为什么你们就不能接受现实一次呢……
供您参考，华为将继续存在，世界上没有什么可以阻止它进步，看看你们崇拜的所谓 iPhone，并将其与这款杰作进行比较，我唯一能接受的 iPhone 更好的是处理器。
Mate 70 Pro 可以在其他各个方面轻松击败它。
Why 3nm GAA Kirin 9020?
Huawei's GAA Kirin 9020 nano-sheet patent breaks through the heating limitations of TSMC's N3, breaks through the pitch limitations of DUV lithography, and achieves mass production that Samsung cannot achieve. Kirin 9020 is the FIRST mass-produced GAA FET process chip.
华为的GAA麒麟 9020纳米片专利突破了台积电N3的加热限制，突破了DUV光刻的间距限制，实现了三星无法实现的量产。麒麟9020是FIRST量产的GAA FET工艺芯片。
Huawei's GAA Kirin 9020 nano-sheet patent breaks through the heating limitations of TSMC's N3, breaks through the pitch limitations of DUV lithography, and achieves mass production that Samsung cannot achieve. Kirin 9020 is the FIRST mass-produced GAA FET process chip.
华为的GAA麒麟 9020纳米片专利突破了台积电N3的加热限制，突破了DUV光刻的间距限制，实现了三星无法实现的量产。麒麟9020是FIRST量产的GAA FET工艺芯片。
@MR-jz5mr
Huawei tryna make history
Apple tryna make money
华为设法创造历史
苹果蝇营狗苟赚钱
Huawei tryna make history
Apple tryna make money
华为设法创造历史
苹果蝇营狗苟赚钱
@ronnieye7185
While the Kirin 9020 isn't as good as the flagship processors from Apple, Qualcomm, MediaTek and Samsung, at least it has beaten Google's flagship SOC Tensor G4. Moreover, Huawei's phones are more energy-efficient because it has developed its own harmony next OS, which is completely separate from Android, and can be deeply optimized in both hardware and software.
虽然麒麟 9020 不如苹果、高通、联发科和三星的旗舰处理器，但至少击败了谷歌的旗舰 SOC Tensor G4。此外，华为手机更节能，因为它开发了自己的 Harmony Next OS系统，它与 Android 完全独立，可以在硬件和软件上进行深度优化。
While the Kirin 9020 isn't as good as the flagship processors from Apple, Qualcomm, MediaTek and Samsung, at least it has beaten Google's flagship SOC Tensor G4. Moreover, Huawei's phones are more energy-efficient because it has developed its own harmony next OS, which is completely separate from Android, and can be deeply optimized in both hardware and software.
虽然麒麟 9020 不如苹果、高通、联发科和三星的旗舰处理器，但至少击败了谷歌的旗舰 SOC Tensor G4。此外，华为手机更节能，因为它开发了自己的 Harmony Next OS系统，它与 Android 完全独立，可以在硬件和软件上进行深度优化。
@Erass36
How is the US planning to keep microprocessor prices down with the new counter measures. I think they are only surviving only because of the Ban. All of Asia is working together to curb future US sanctions. Good luck for the future America
美国打算如何利用新的反制措施来压低微处理器的价格。我认为他们只是因为禁令才得以生存。整个亚洲都在共同努力遏制未来的美国制裁。祝美国未来好运
How is the US planning to keep microprocessor prices down with the new counter measures. I think they are only surviving only because of the Ban. All of Asia is working together to curb future US sanctions. Good luck for the future America
美国打算如何利用新的反制措施来压低微处理器的价格。我认为他们只是因为禁令才得以生存。整个亚洲都在共同努力遏制未来的美国制裁。祝美国未来好运
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UnkeptSpoon5
Cool? A million different things crammed into a chip isn’t really that meaningful unless it does them well. Using multiple chips isn’t something that’s really a problem.
很酷吗？把一百万种不同的功能塞进一个芯片里其实没什么意义，除非它能很好地完成这些功能。使用多个芯片并不是什么问题。
UnkeptSpoon5
Cool? A million different things crammed into a chip isn’t really that meaningful unless it does them well. Using multiple chips isn’t something that’s really a problem.
很酷吗？把一百万种不同的功能塞进一个芯片里其实没什么意义，除非它能很好地完成这些功能。使用多个芯片并不是什么问题。
Khelthuzaad
Actually it IS something big,imaging cramming your pc unit into the size of your phone
事实上这是一件大事，想象一下把你的电脑塞进手机里
Actually it IS something big,imaging cramming your pc unit into the size of your phone
事实上这是一件大事，想象一下把你的电脑塞进手机里
UnkeptSpoon5
What do you think smartphones are?
你认为智能手机是什么？
What do you think smartphones are?
你认为智能手机是什么？
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ACRM117
Is It 7nm still? I'm genuinely curious if Huawei/China has found a way to circumnavigate the US sanctions or if China has developed it's own chip manufacturing to the point of being competitive with TSMC.
还是 7nm 吗？我真的很好奇华为/中国是否找到了绕过美国制裁的方法，或者中国是否已经发展了自己的芯片制造技术，可以与台积电竞争。
ACRM117
Is It 7nm still? I'm genuinely curious if Huawei/China has found a way to circumnavigate the US sanctions or if China has developed it's own chip manufacturing to the point of being competitive with TSMC.
还是 7nm 吗？我真的很好奇华为/中国是否找到了绕过美国制裁的方法，或者中国是否已经发展了自己的芯片制造技术，可以与台积电竞争。
zar99raz
Considering 90% of all patents TSMC uses are from China
考虑到台积电使用的90%的专利都来自中国
Considering 90% of all patents TSMC uses are from China
考虑到台积电使用的90%的专利都来自中国
ACRM117
Then what's hurting China's chips production? The hardware/machinery to produce them?
那么，是什么阻碍了中国的芯片生产？生产芯片的硬件/机器呢？
Then what's hurting China's chips production? The hardware/machinery to produce them?
那么，是什么阻碍了中国的芯片生产？生产芯片的硬件/机器呢？
zar99raz
It's only an illusion, the chip war is strengthening china into becoming the new superpower reliant on only itself.
这只是一种假象，芯片战争正在使中国成为仅依靠自己的新超级大国。
It's only an illusion, the chip war is strengthening china into becoming the new superpower reliant on only itself.
这只是一种假象，芯片战争正在使中国成为仅依靠自己的新超级大国。
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Final-Rush759
5nm GAA. About 3-4nm of TSMC. Less leakage of electricity.
5nm GAA。大约是台积电的3-4nm。漏电更少。
Final-Rush759
5nm GAA. About 3-4nm of TSMC. Less leakage of electricity.
5nm GAA。大约是台积电的3-4nm。漏电更少。
ACRM117
Could you elaborate a little more? I want to understand a little bit more about that lithography Huawei is using/gonna use.
你能详细说明一下吗？我想进一步了解一下华为正在使用/将要使用的光刻技术。
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Could you elaborate a little more? I want to understand a little bit more about that lithography Huawei is using/gonna use.
你能详细说明一下吗？我想进一步了解一下华为正在使用/将要使用的光刻技术。
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Final-Rush759
GAA is a stacking technique.
GAA是一种堆叠技术。
GAA is a stacking technique.
GAA是一种堆叠技术。
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Less-Department-542
That's the only thing stopping me from buying the mate 70 pro+...
这是阻止我购买 mate 70 pro+ 的唯一原因
Less-Department-542
That's the only thing stopping me from buying the mate 70 pro+...
这是阻止我购买 mate 70 pro+ 的唯一原因
ACRM117
Man, the Mate series has been my dream phone since Mate 11 and I had never owned one.
伙计，自从 Mate 10 以来，Mate 系列一直是我梦寐以求的手机，但我从未拥有过一部。
Man, the Mate series has been my dream phone since Mate 11 and I had never owned one.
伙计，自从 Mate 10 以来，Mate 系列一直是我梦寐以求的手机，但我从未拥有过一部。
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Kinocci
Talking SoCs, it's never about the quantity of chips you can fit in, rather the quality of them.
Intel is doing the same right now with their flagship chips and they are deemed an utter failure. Mediatek also has very complete SoC but all the individual chips are underwhelming compared to the competition.
说到 SoC系统级芯片，重要的不是芯片数量，而是芯片的质量。
英特尔现在也在其旗舰芯片上做着同样的事情，被认为是彻底的失败。联发科也有非常完整的 SoC，但与竞争对手相比，所有单个芯片都令人失望。
Kinocci
Talking SoCs, it's never about the quantity of chips you can fit in, rather the quality of them.
Intel is doing the same right now with their flagship chips and they are deemed an utter failure. Mediatek also has very complete SoC but all the individual chips are underwhelming compared to the competition.
说到 SoC系统级芯片，重要的不是芯片数量，而是芯片的质量。
英特尔现在也在其旗舰芯片上做着同样的事情，被认为是彻底的失败。联发科也有非常完整的 SoC，但与竞争对手相比，所有单个芯片都令人失望。
MakinMoney86
Genuinely so ahead of the curve
真的很超前
Genuinely so ahead of the curve
真的很超前
Catji
Kirin was ahead of the curve years ago, then sanctions blocked it. Now it seems to be on track again.
麒麟芯片几年前曾走在时代前沿，后来因制裁而受阻。现在它似乎又回到了正轨。
Kirin was ahead of the curve years ago, then sanctions blocked it. Now it seems to be on track again.
麒麟芯片几年前曾走在时代前沿，后来因制裁而受阻。现在它似乎又回到了正轨。
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SlashRaven008
Literally the company that got banned from selling their phones in the US after leaving Apple in the dust. The p30 pro is the first and last phone I need to get - there is no planned obselescence in it. Fantastic company
毫不夸张地说，这家公司在将苹果甩在身后后被禁止在美国销售手机。p30 pro 是我需要买的第一部也是最后一部手机 ，没有淘汰它的计划。很棒的公司
SlashRaven008
Literally the company that got banned from selling their phones in the US after leaving Apple in the dust. The p30 pro is the first and last phone I need to get - there is no planned obselescence in it. Fantastic company
毫不夸张地说，这家公司在将苹果甩在身后后被禁止在美国销售手机。p30 pro 是我需要买的第一部也是最后一部手机 ，没有淘汰它的计划。很棒的公司
u/TYLER_PERRY_II avatar
TYLER_PERRY_II
didnt they push an upxe that ruined the cameras autofocus lol
他们不是发布了一个更新，毁掉了相机的自动对焦功能吗？哈哈
TYLER_PERRY_II
didnt they push an upxe that ruined the cameras autofocus lol
他们不是发布了一个更新，毁掉了相机的自动对焦功能吗？哈哈
u/Need32mm avatar
That was fixed.
已经解决了。
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That was fixed.
已经解决了。
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marny_g
Please elaborate.
I've been using my P30 Pro since mid-2019. After updating to EMUI 12 in early-2022 (or was it was early-2021? Can't remember now), my camera doesn't focus properly. I've been searching regularly for a fix (I dive in to the rabbit hole once every 6 months or so), and have found nothing conclusive yet.
请详细说明。
我从 2019 年中开始使用 P30 Pro。在 2022 年初（或者是 2021 年初？现在记不清了）更新到 EMUI 12 后，我的相机无法正确对焦。我一直在定期寻找解决方案（我大约每 6 个月深入研究一次），但尚未找到任何解决办法。
Please elaborate.
I've been using my P30 Pro since mid-2019. After updating to EMUI 12 in early-2022 (or was it was early-2021? Can't remember now), my camera doesn't focus properly. I've been searching regularly for a fix (I dive in to the rabbit hole once every 6 months or so), and have found nothing conclusive yet.
请详细说明。
我从 2019 年中开始使用 P30 Pro。在 2022 年初（或者是 2021 年初？现在记不清了）更新到 EMUI 12 后，我的相机无法正确对焦。我一直在定期寻找解决方案（我大约每 6 个月深入研究一次），但尚未找到任何解决办法。
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vukpopovic
Cool cool... now, can it be faster and more power efficient than an almost 4 year old chipset? Yeeeeah... no...
太棒了……那么，它能比一款将近 4 年前的芯片组更快、更省电吗？当然不能……
vukpopovic
Cool cool... now, can it be faster and more power efficient than an almost 4 year old chipset? Yeeeeah... no...
太棒了……那么，它能比一款将近 4 年前的芯片组更快、更省电吗？当然不能……
Catji
Americanism blocked Kirin development for years.
美国主义多年来阻碍了麒麟芯片的发展。
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Americanism blocked Kirin development for years.
美国主义多年来阻碍了麒麟芯片的发展。
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One_Biscotti_1428
still no google
bunch of babies lMao
还是没安装谷歌
一群婴儿，哈哈
still no google
bunch of babies lMao
还是没安装谷歌
一群婴儿，哈哈
No_Inside_1738
I've got Google on my Huawei Pura 70 pro lol
我的华为 Pura 70 pro 上有谷歌，哈哈
I've got Google on my Huawei Pura 70 pro lol
我的华为 Pura 70 pro 上有谷歌，哈哈
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Keen_Whopper
Reason for my HarmonyOS purchase was just so there is NO Google Spying.
我购买鸿蒙系统手机 的原因只是为了避免被谷歌监视。
Keen_Whopper
Reason for my HarmonyOS purchase was just so there is NO Google Spying.
我购买鸿蒙系统手机 的原因只是为了避免被谷歌监视。
Catji
It's difficult to communicate that to the zombies here.
很难跟这里的僵尸沟通。
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It's difficult to communicate that to the zombies here.
很难跟这里的僵尸沟通。
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u/Need32mm avatar
I don't want Google bug on huawei phones.
我不希望华为手机出现谷歌漏洞。
I don't want Google bug on huawei phones.
我不希望华为手机出现谷歌漏洞。
Catji
bug? American surveillance system.
漏洞?美国的监视系统。
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bug? American surveillance system.
漏洞?美国的监视系统。
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Twilight_0524
Their self proclaimed "Harmony OS" is literally Android AOSP, while in their censored internet they call it "100% Chinese without any Android modules", next thing I know? Switch to English, and Android logo just magically appears in settings. So yes if android has bug, you are gonna have it anyways
他们自称的“鸿蒙操作系统”实际上是安卓开源项目，而在他们受审查的互联网上，他们称其为“100% 中国制造，没有任何安卓模块”，接下来我知道什么？切换到英文，安卓标志就会神奇地出现在设置中。所以是的，如果安卓有 bug，你无论如何都会遇到
Their self proclaimed "Harmony OS" is literally Android AOSP, while in their censored internet they call it "100% Chinese without any Android modules", next thing I know? Switch to English, and Android logo just magically appears in settings. So yes if android has bug, you are gonna have it anyways
他们自称的“鸿蒙操作系统”实际上是安卓开源项目，而在他们受审查的互联网上，他们称其为“100% 中国制造，没有任何安卓模块”，接下来我知道什么？切换到英文，安卓标志就会神奇地出现在设置中。所以是的，如果安卓有 bug，你无论如何都会遇到
u/Need32mm avatar
Harmonyos 5.0 is based on Openharmony, before that all harmonyos are based on AOSP.
Harmonyos 5.0基于Openharmony，在此之前所有的Harmonyos都是基于安卓开源项目。
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Harmonyos 5.0 is based on Openharmony, before that all harmonyos are based on AOSP.
Harmonyos 5.0基于Openharmony，在此之前所有的Harmonyos都是基于安卓开源项目。
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Twilight_0524
LMao where are their mass produced 7nm chips with THEIR OWN TECHNOLOGY instead of stealing from the rest of the world? By the way enjoying those spyware comes complementary with your HUAWEI
哈哈哈，他们用自己的技术批量生产的 7nm 芯片在哪里，而不是从世界其他地方窃取的？顺便说一句，享受这些间谍软件是与你的华为互补的
Twilight_0524
LMao where are their mass produced 7nm chips with THEIR OWN TECHNOLOGY instead of stealing from the rest of the world? By the way enjoying those spyware comes complementary with your HUAWEI
哈哈哈，他们用自己的技术批量生产的 7nm 芯片在哪里，而不是从世界其他地方窃取的？顺便说一句，享受这些间谍软件是与你的华为互补的
theizzz
when did the US pay China for using its inventions and innovations like paper, writing, the compass, printing, and gunpowder? Until the western thieves pay China for everything they stole without permission WITH interest, they can just stfu.
美国什么时候向中国支付过使用其发明和创新的费用，如纸张、文字、指南针、印刷术和火药？除非西方小偷向中国支付他们未经允许偷走的一切以及利息，否则他们就闭嘴吧。
when did the US pay China for using its inventions and innovations like paper, writing, the compass, printing, and gunpowder? Until the western thieves pay China for everything they stole without permission WITH interest, they can just stfu.
美国什么时候向中国支付过使用其发明和创新的费用，如纸张、文字、指南针、印刷术和火药？除非西方小偷向中国支付他们未经允许偷走的一切以及利息，否则他们就闭嘴吧。
Twilight_0524
lmfao i see what kind of people are in this sub, im glad you are having fun then.
哈哈哈，我知道这个子版块里都是些什么样的人，我很高兴你们玩得很开心。
lmfao i see what kind of people are in this sub, im glad you are having fun then.
哈哈哈，我知道这个子版块里都是些什么样的人，我很高兴你们玩得很开心。
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DarkISO
Dont really keep up with their stuff since i cant get them here but is it in all their phones? What about that tri fold one? Maybe i can ask my dad to grab one while hes over there.
由于我在这里买不到，所以没怎么关注他们的东西，但他们的手机里都有吗？那个三折的怎么样？也许我可以让我爸爸在那边的时候拿一个。
DarkISO
Dont really keep up with their stuff since i cant get them here but is it in all their phones? What about that tri fold one? Maybe i can ask my dad to grab one while hes over there.
由于我在这里买不到，所以没怎么关注他们的东西，但他们的手机里都有吗？那个三折的怎么样？也许我可以让我爸爸在那边的时候拿一个。
u/Need32mm avatar
Trifold has kirin 9010 and 5g, if you looking for fold get x6 it has this chip and 5GA probably, currently fastest 5g phone.
三折叠机拥有麒麟 9010 和 5G，如果你正在寻找折叠机，就买X6，它就装这个芯片和 5GA，可能是目前最快的 5G手机。
Trifold has kirin 9010 and 5g, if you looking for fold get x6 it has this chip and 5GA probably, currently fastest 5g phone.
三折叠机拥有麒麟 9010 和 5G，如果你正在寻找折叠机，就买X6，它就装这个芯片和 5GA，可能是目前最快的 5G手机。
kingdresem
According to the current progress of Huawei we can build more high tech things in the future
根据华为目前的进展，我们将来可以打造更多高科技的东西
According to the current progress of Huawei we can build more high tech things in the future
根据华为目前的进展，我们将来可以打造更多高科技的东西
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cryptoneedstodie
For those of you who are interested: The codename of the Mate 70 Pro+ is PLA-AL10 on Geekbench. You can search it in their browser menu.
SC: ~1500-1600 MC: ~5100-5200
对于那些感兴趣的人：Mate 70 Pro+ 在 Geekbench 上的代号是 PLA-AL10。你可以在他们的浏览器菜单中搜索它。
cryptoneedstodie
For those of you who are interested: The codename of the Mate 70 Pro+ is PLA-AL10 on Geekbench. You can search it in their browser menu.
SC: ~1500-1600 MC: ~5100-5200
对于那些感兴趣的人：Mate 70 Pro+ 在 Geekbench 上的代号是 PLA-AL10。你可以在他们的浏览器菜单中搜索它。
SC：~1500-1600 MC：~5100-5200
Famous_Wolverine3203
Is this scores from GB5 or GB6?
这是GB5还是GB6的分数？
Famous_Wolverine3203
Is this scores from GB5 or GB6?
这是GB5还是GB6的分数？
Famous_Wolverine3203
Is this a good improvement over previous gen Kirin?
与上一代麒麟芯片相比，这是否有很大的改进？
Is this a good improvement over previous gen Kirin?
与上一代麒麟芯片相比，这是否有很大的改进？
thanix01
I heard main uplift is in the GPU, while CPU upxe is nothing too big.
我听说主要的提升是在 GPU 上，而 CPU 更新并不算太大。
I heard main uplift is in the GPU, while CPU upxe is nothing too big.
我听说主要的提升是在 GPU 上，而 CPU 更新并不算太大。
Famous_Wolverine3203
Are they using Mali or their own architecture?
他们使用的是 Mali 架构，还是他们自己的架构？
Are they using Mali or their own architecture?
他们使用的是 Mali 架构，还是他们自己的架构？
thanix01
I don’t follow it enough to be able to answer that.
Quickly looking it up now. Apparently it use Maleoon 920 igpu from Hisilicon.
我对此了解不够，无法回答。
现在正在快速查找。显然它使用了海思的 Maleoon 920 igpu。
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I don’t follow it enough to be able to answer that.
Quickly looking it up now. Apparently it use Maleoon 920 igpu from Hisilicon.
我对此了解不够，无法回答。
现在正在快速查找。显然它使用了海思的 Maleoon 920 igpu。
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cryptoneedstodie
The previous Kirin 9010 in the Pura 70 Ultra had a score of roughly 1450/4700.
So a 10% improvement on both scores.
Pura 70 Ultra 中之前的麒麟9010 得分大约为 1450/4700。
因此两个分数都提高了 10%。
The previous Kirin 9010 in the Pura 70 Ultra had a score of roughly 1450/4700.
So a 10% improvement on both scores.
Pura 70 Ultra 中之前的麒麟9010 得分大约为 1450/4700。
因此两个分数都提高了 10%。
Famous_Wolverine3203
Thank you.
I’m assuming this means its unlikely to be 5nm? Probably a 7nm refresh?
谢谢。
我猜这意味着不太可能是 5nm？可能是 7nm 更新？
Thank you.
I’m assuming this means its unlikely to be 5nm? Probably a 7nm refresh?
谢谢。
我猜这意味着不太可能是 5nm？可能是 7nm 更新？
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cryptoneedstodie
Yeah, probably. Even the naming suggests this. Huawei, or SMIC to be more precise is struggling to put out actual 5nm chips using DUV machines only. But that was kinda expected tbh.
是的，很有可能。甚至连名字都暗示了这一点。华为，或者更准确地说是中芯国际，正在努力仅使用 DUV 机器推出真正的 5nm 芯片。但说实话，这有点意料之中。
cryptoneedstodie
Yeah, probably. Even the naming suggests this. Huawei, or SMIC to be more precise is struggling to put out actual 5nm chips using DUV machines only. But that was kinda expected tbh.
是的，很有可能。甚至连名字都暗示了这一点。华为，或者更准确地说是中芯国际，正在努力仅使用 DUV 机器推出真正的 5nm 芯片。但说实话，这有点意料之中。
u/Famous_Wolverine3203 avatar
Famous_Wolverine3203
I heard on the rumour mill that yields for their 7nm process were not great. It seems they might be lagging TSMC’s DUV N7 in the yield department.
Makes sense why 5nm if possible would be prohibitively expensive.
I have another question. Huawei’s using their own microarchitecture here right? Is the Geekbench score linear with clock speed improvements or is there evidence of IPC improvements?
我听说有传言称他们的 7nm 工艺的良率并不高。看来他们在良率方面可能落后于台积电的 DUV N7。
这解释了为什么 5nm 工艺如果可能的话会非常昂贵。
我还有一个问题。华为在这里使用他们自己的微架构，对吗？Geekbench 得分是否与时钟速度改进成线性关系，还是有证据表明 IPC 有所改进？
Famous_Wolverine3203
I heard on the rumour mill that yields for their 7nm process were not great. It seems they might be lagging TSMC’s DUV N7 in the yield department.
Makes sense why 5nm if possible would be prohibitively expensive.
I have another question. Huawei’s using their own microarchitecture here right? Is the Geekbench score linear with clock speed improvements or is there evidence of IPC improvements?
我听说有传言称他们的 7nm 工艺的良率并不高。看来他们在良率方面可能落后于台积电的 DUV N7。
这解释了为什么 5nm 工艺如果可能的话会非常昂贵。
我还有一个问题。华为在这里使用他们自己的微架构，对吗？Geekbench 得分是否与时钟速度改进成线性关系，还是有证据表明 IPC 有所改进？
mrheosuper
They are maybe using multi-exposure technique for 7nm, which enable using DUV for smaller node. But at the same time it has very bad yield, and take more resources to produce.
他们可能在 7nm 上使用多重曝光技术，这样就可以在更小的节点上使用 DUV。但同时良率很差，而且生产需要更多资源。
They are maybe using multi-exposure technique for 7nm, which enable using DUV for smaller node. But at the same time it has very bad yield, and take more resources to produce.
他们可能在 7nm 上使用多重曝光技术，这样就可以在更小的节点上使用 DUV。但同时良率很差，而且生产需要更多资源。
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Famous_Wolverine3203
Yes But TSMC did the same for N7 if I’m right and their node is pretty successful and widespread.
是的，但如果我没记错的话，台积电对 N7 也做了同样的事情，而且他们的节点相当成功且普及。
Famous_Wolverine3203
Yes But TSMC did the same for N7 if I’m right and their node is pretty successful and widespread.
是的，但如果我没记错的话，台积电对 N7 也做了同样的事情，而且他们的节点相当成功且普及。
Famous_Wolverine3203
Yes But TSMC did the same for N7 if I’m right and their node is pretty successful and widespread.
是的，但如果我没记错的话，台积电对 N7 也做了同样的事情，而且他们的节点相当成功且普及。
Yes But TSMC did the same for N7 if I’m right and their node is pretty successful and widespread.
是的，但如果我没记错的话，台积电对 N7 也做了同样的事情，而且他们的节点相当成功且普及。
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logosuwu
SMIC N+1 is very similar to N7 since they basically poached most of the TSMC RnD team to design it. N+2 is a more refined version, N+3 (5nm) is rumoured to be using quad patterning which has potentially extremely poor yields
中芯国际 N+1 与 N7 非常相似，因为他们基本上挖走了台积电研发团队的大部分成员来设计它。N+2 是一个更精致的版本，据传 N+3 (5nm) 将使用四重图案化，这可能会带来极低的产量
logosuwu
SMIC N+1 is very similar to N7 since they basically poached most of the TSMC RnD team to design it. N+2 is a more refined version, N+3 (5nm) is rumoured to be using quad patterning which has potentially extremely poor yields
中芯国际 N+1 与 N7 非常相似，因为他们基本上挖走了台积电研发团队的大部分成员来设计它。N+2 是一个更精致的版本，据传 N+3 (5nm) 将使用四重图案化，这可能会带来极低的产量
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logosuwu
The codename isn't doing any favours with their claims of being unassociated with the Chinese military lol.
For context, single core performance is slightly below the Tensor G4, but multicore is substantially above.
这个代号对他们声称与中国军方无关的说法没有任何帮助，哈哈。
就上下文而言，单核性能略低于 Tensor G4，但多核性能却大大高于它。
logosuwu
The codename isn't doing any favours with their claims of being unassociated with the Chinese military lol.
For context, single core performance is slightly below the Tensor G4, but multicore is substantially above.
这个代号对他们声称与中国军方无关的说法没有任何帮助，哈哈。
就上下文而言，单核性能略低于 Tensor G4，但多核性能却大大高于它。
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cryptoneedstodie
It's surprisingly impressive, especially when compared to Google's flagship lineup. This is even more noteworthy given the fact that Huawei is heavily sanctioned and limited to using only DUV machines.
令人印象深刻，尤其是与谷歌的旗舰产品线相比。考虑到华为受到严厉制裁并且只能使用 DUV 机器，这一点就更加值得注意了。
cryptoneedstodie
It's surprisingly impressive, especially when compared to Google's flagship lineup. This is even more noteworthy given the fact that Huawei is heavily sanctioned and limited to using only DUV machines.
令人印象深刻，尤其是与谷歌的旗舰产品线相比。考虑到华为受到严厉制裁并且只能使用 DUV 机器，这一点就更加值得注意了。
gxizhe
Google is just incompetent and makes you wonder if they got sanctioned by the US rather than Huawei.
谷歌太无能了，让你怀疑他们是否受到了美国的制裁，而不是华为。
Google is just incompetent and makes you wonder if they got sanctioned by the US rather than Huawei.
谷歌太无能了，让你怀疑他们是否受到了美国的制裁，而不是华为。
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cryptoneedstodie
LMao, true! It's honestly mind-blowing that, despite having virtually limitless resources and top-tier talent, they still manage to produce such subpar chipsets.
哈哈，真是的！尽管拥有几乎无限的资源和顶级人才，他们仍然生产出如此低劣的芯片组，这真是令人难以置信。
cryptoneedstodie
LMao, true! It's honestly mind-blowing that, despite having virtually limitless resources and top-tier talent, they still manage to produce such subpar chipsets.
哈哈，真是的！尽管拥有几乎无限的资源和顶级人才，他们仍然生产出如此低劣的芯片组，这真是令人难以置信。
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ThrowItAllAway1269
It's insane when a SMIC's 7nm++ node DUV is keeping up with Samsung's 4nm EUV node
中芯国际 7nm++ 节点 DUV 与三星 4nm EUV 节点同步，这太疯狂了
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ThrowItAllAway1269
It's insane when a SMIC's 7nm++ node DUV is keeping up with Samsung's 4nm EUV node
中芯国际 7nm++ 节点 DUV 与三星 4nm EUV 节点同步，这太疯狂了
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GaussToPractice
Out of context: It always bit to me that National security shit was bullshit. They didn't even ban the old released phones from google services.
断章取义：对我来说，国家安全就是扯淡。他们甚至没有禁止旧手机使用谷歌服务。
GaussToPractice
Out of context: It always bit to me that National security shit was bullshit. They didn't even ban the old released phones from google services.
断章取义：对我来说，国家安全就是扯淡。他们甚至没有禁止旧手机使用谷歌服务。
Only_Comfortable_224
It’s less about spyware security, but more about job security of many high paying jobs which would be gone if US lose the leadership in tech
这与间谍软件安全无关，而与许多高薪工作岗位的保障有关，如果美国失去科技领域的领导地位，这些工作岗位将会消失
It’s less about spyware security, but more about job security of many high paying jobs which would be gone if US lose the leadership in tech
这与间谍软件安全无关，而与许多高薪工作岗位的保障有关，如果美国失去科技领域的领导地位，这些工作岗位将会消失
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kyralfie
It's highly likely to be an 8 core with 4 of those big cores supporting SMT hence identified as 12 core CPU.
它很有可能是 8 核 CPU，其中 4 个大核支持 SMT，因此被认定为 12 核 CPU。
kyralfie
It's highly likely to be an 8 core with 4 of those big cores supporting SMT hence identified as 12 core CPU.
它很有可能是 8 核 CPU，其中 4 个大核支持 SMT，因此被认定为 12 核 CPU。
u/djm07231 avatar
djm07231
Huawei also makes Ascend AI chips so targeting them from a strategic standpoint doesn’t seem unfounded.
xiaomi is still able to access TSMC because they don’t have a shady connection to PLA and doesn’t do strategic industries, just mostly phones and other consumer products.
华为也生产 Ascend AI 芯片，因此从战略角度瞄准它们似乎并非毫无根据。
小米仍然能够接触到台积电，因为他们与解放军没有秘密联系，也不从事战略性行业，主要只是手机和其他消费产品。
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djm07231
Huawei also makes Ascend AI chips so targeting them from a strategic standpoint doesn’t seem unfounded.
xiaomi is still able to access TSMC because they don’t have a shady connection to PLA and doesn’t do strategic industries, just mostly phones and other consumer products.
华为也生产 Ascend AI 芯片，因此从战略角度瞄准它们似乎并非毫无根据。
小米仍然能够接触到台积电，因为他们与解放军没有秘密联系，也不从事战略性行业，主要只是手机和其他消费产品。
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Outrageous-Horse-701
Heard the 9020 is better than Snapdragon 8+ Gen 1. And the 9100 chipset is rumored to be released soon Inside Mate 70 RS premium model. We shall see how that performs.
听说 9020 比 Snapdragon 8+ Gen 1 更好。有传言称 9100 芯片组即将在 Mate 70 RS 高级型号中发布。我们将看看它的表现如何。
Heard the 9020 is better than Snapdragon 8+ Gen 1. And the 9100 chipset is rumored to be released soon Inside Mate 70 RS premium model. We shall see how that performs.
听说 9020 比 Snapdragon 8+ Gen 1 更好。有传言称 9100 芯片组即将在 Mate 70 RS 高级型号中发布。我们将看看它的表现如何。
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TwelveSilverSwords
OP
What's funny is that it looks like the latest chip from Huawei (Kirin 9020) has a better CPU efficiency curve than the Tensor G4. Pretty impressive showing by Huawei/SMIC, and an embarrassment for Google, I guess?
有趣的是，华为最新芯片（麒麟 9020）的 CPU 效率曲线似乎比 Tensor G4 更好。我想，华为/中芯国际的表现相当令人印象深刻，而谷歌则感到尴尬吧？
TwelveSilverSwords
OP
What's funny is that it looks like the latest chip from Huawei (Kirin 9020) has a better CPU efficiency curve than the Tensor G4. Pretty impressive showing by Huawei/SMIC, and an embarrassment for Google, I guess?
有趣的是，华为最新芯片（麒麟 9020）的 CPU 效率曲线似乎比 Tensor G4 更好。我想，华为/中芯国际的表现相当令人印象深刻，而谷歌则感到尴尬吧？
u/Working_Sundae avatar
Working_Sundae
And Kirin achieved those scores with much lower clocks and relatively dated manufacturing methods, Google is a complete embarrassment
而麒麟以更低的时段频率和相对过时的制造方法取得了这些成绩，谷歌则完全丢脸了
Working_Sundae
And Kirin achieved those scores with much lower clocks and relatively dated manufacturing methods, Google is a complete embarrassment
而麒麟以更低的时段频率和相对过时的制造方法取得了这些成绩，谷歌则完全丢脸了
u/Quatro_Leches avatar
Quatro_Leches
Google when it comes to making a shitty hardware product: "I got one more in me"
谷歌在制造劣质硬件产品时表示：“我还能再做一个”
Quatro_Leches
Google when it comes to making a shitty hardware product: "I got one more in me"
谷歌在制造劣质硬件产品时表示：“我还能再做一个”
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Gwennifer
Huawei's Kirin 9000 was also pretty good and arguably one of the reasons it got sanctioned besides the 5G stuff, it was becoming very clear that Huawei was going to outcompete just about any expensive IP from the West soon--on price if not outright performance.
华为的麒麟 9000 也相当不错，可以说这是它获得批准的原因之一，除了 5G 之外，很明显华为很快就会在竞争中胜过西方几乎所有昂贵的 IP——即使不是绝对的性能，至少也是在价格上。
Gwennifer
Huawei's Kirin 9000 was also pretty good and arguably one of the reasons it got sanctioned besides the 5G stuff, it was becoming very clear that Huawei was going to outcompete just about any expensive IP from the West soon--on price if not outright performance.
华为的麒麟 9000 也相当不错，可以说这是它获得批准的原因之一，除了 5G 之外，很明显华为很快就会在竞争中胜过西方几乎所有昂贵的 IP——即使不是绝对的性能，至少也是在价格上。
Adromedae
Huawei WAS outcompeting in the sense they had reached parity in performance/market share/profits in device, SoC, and infra.
We simply had no answer to them in the US.
APPL is competitive in device and SoC, but they don't do infra.
QCOM is competitive in SoC and infra, but they don't do device.
It was probably the first time that we had a foreign vertically integrated tech vendor matching or out competing our side of the equation. And coming from an economy which just bootstrapped a middle class fueled internal consumer demand (with more room to grow, as China still has a few hundred million people to still reach middle class status). So this is uncharted waters for us, thus the panic.
华为确实在竞争中胜出，因为他们在设备、SoC 和基础设施方面的性能/市场份额/利润已经达到同等水平。
我们在美国根本无法应对他们。
APPL 在设备和 SoC 方面具有竞争力，但他们不做基础设施。
QCOM 在 SoC 和基础设施方面具有竞争力，但他们不做设备。
这可能是我们第一次有一家外国垂直整合技术供应商与我们匹敌甚至超越我们。而且我们来自一个刚刚启动中产阶级推动国内消费需求的经济体（还有更大的增长空间，因为中国仍有几亿人尚未达到中产阶级地位）。所以这对我们来说是未知领域，因此感到恐慌。
Huawei WAS outcompeting in the sense they had reached parity in performance/market share/profits in device, SoC, and infra.
We simply had no answer to them in the US.
APPL is competitive in device and SoC, but they don't do infra.
QCOM is competitive in SoC and infra, but they don't do device.
It was probably the first time that we had a foreign vertically integrated tech vendor matching or out competing our side of the equation. And coming from an economy which just bootstrapped a middle class fueled internal consumer demand (with more room to grow, as China still has a few hundred million people to still reach middle class status). So this is uncharted waters for us, thus the panic.
华为确实在竞争中胜出，因为他们在设备、SoC 和基础设施方面的性能/市场份额/利润已经达到同等水平。
我们在美国根本无法应对他们。
APPL 在设备和 SoC 方面具有竞争力，但他们不做基础设施。
QCOM 在 SoC 和基础设施方面具有竞争力，但他们不做设备。
这可能是我们第一次有一家外国垂直整合技术供应商与我们匹敌甚至超越我们。而且我们来自一个刚刚启动中产阶级推动国内消费需求的经济体（还有更大的增长空间，因为中国仍有几亿人尚未达到中产阶级地位）。所以这对我们来说是未知领域，因此感到恐慌。
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RegularCircumstances
Lol the Kirin 9000 was not an indication that Huawei was going to outcompete Apple or Qualcomm, what are you smoking?
哈哈，麒麟 9000 并不表明华为将在竞争中胜过苹果或高通，你在说什么？
RegularCircumstances
Lol the Kirin 9000 was not an indication that Huawei was going to outcompete Apple or Qualcomm, what are you smoking?
哈哈，麒麟 9000 并不表明华为将在竞争中胜过苹果或高通，你在说什么？
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Swaggerlilyjohnson
I just don't understand why they even bother. Why not just pay qualcomm like everyone else. I know the chips cost more but is it really that much more versus spending money on a whole team to design a garbage SOC that loses to a sanctioned competitor and qualcomms 3 year old designs.
If they are trying to keep costs low they should use mediatek or a one gen behind qualcomm chip like one plus does for their R series.
Just none of it makes sense to me they cut goddamn everything else they work on after a few years like they have company wide ADHD but they won't cut this obviously worse than useless chip design department.
It's holding back the pixels so much in competitiveness like who wouldn't pay 50$ more for an 8 elite over this. The battery life jump would be huge.
我只是不明白他们为什么还要费心。为什么不像其他人一样直接向高通付费。我知道芯片成本更高，但与花钱组建整个团队设计垃圾 SOC（最终输给受制裁的竞争对手和高通 3 年前的设计）相比，这真的贵很多吗？
如果他们想降低成本，他们应该使用联发科或比高通落后一代的芯片，就像一加为他们的 R 系列所做的那样。
对我来说，这一切都没有意义，他们在几年后削减了他们所做的所有其他工作，就像他们全公司都患有注意力缺陷多动症一样，但他们不会削减这个显然比无用的芯片设计部门更糟糕的部门。
它极大地限制了像素的竞争力，谁会不愿意多花 50 美元购买 8 elite版呢？电池寿命的提升将是巨大的。
Swaggerlilyjohnson
I just don't understand why they even bother. Why not just pay qualcomm like everyone else. I know the chips cost more but is it really that much more versus spending money on a whole team to design a garbage SOC that loses to a sanctioned competitor and qualcomms 3 year old designs.
If they are trying to keep costs low they should use mediatek or a one gen behind qualcomm chip like one plus does for their R series.
Just none of it makes sense to me they cut goddamn everything else they work on after a few years like they have company wide ADHD but they won't cut this obviously worse than useless chip design department.
It's holding back the pixels so much in competitiveness like who wouldn't pay 50$ more for an 8 elite over this. The battery life jump would be huge.
我只是不明白他们为什么还要费心。为什么不像其他人一样直接向高通付费。我知道芯片成本更高，但与花钱组建整个团队设计垃圾 SOC（最终输给受制裁的竞争对手和高通 3 年前的设计）相比，这真的贵很多吗？
如果他们想降低成本，他们应该使用联发科或比高通落后一代的芯片，就像一加为他们的 R 系列所做的那样。
对我来说，这一切都没有意义，他们在几年后削减了他们所做的所有其他工作，就像他们全公司都患有注意力缺陷多动症一样，但他们不会削减这个显然比无用的芯片设计部门更糟糕的部门。
它极大地限制了像素的竞争力，谁会不愿意多花 50 美元购买 8 elite版呢？电池寿命的提升将是巨大的。
Adromedae
Because google was to sort of extract as much profit as they can from the android ecosystem that they created. Otherwise, a big chunk of the revenue goes to Samsung and QCOM.
因为谷歌要从他们创建的 Android 生态系统中获取尽可能多的利润。否则，很大一部分收入将流向三星和高通。
Because google was to sort of extract as much profit as they can from the android ecosystem that they created. Otherwise, a big chunk of the revenue goes to Samsung and QCOM.
因为谷歌要从他们创建的 Android 生态系统中获取尽可能多的利润。否则，很大一部分收入将流向三星和高通。
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Hashabasha
because they delude themselves into thinking they are like apple when in fact they are more like microsoft. they just dont seem to get it
因为他们自欺欺人地认为他们像苹果，但事实上他们更像微软。他们似乎不明白
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Hashabasha
because they delude themselves into thinking they are like apple when in fact they are more like microsoft. they just dont seem to get it
因为他们自欺欺人地认为他们像苹果，但事实上他们更像微软。他们似乎不明白
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dumbolimbo0
8 elite alone regresses the 2025 phone back to 2021 Era due to the cost of the processor eating up major part of production cost.
“It's holding back the pixels so much in competitiveness like who wouldn't pay 50$ more for an 8 elite over this. The battery life jump would be huge.”
It's not 50$ extra S24 ultra despite having the same hardware are S24 ultra ( display, camera, battery , charging speed).
Is 110$ more expensive than S24 ultra to produce due to the 8 elite.
由于处理器成本占据了生产成本的很大一部分，8 elite 本身就将 2025 年的手机退回到了 2021 年的时代。
“它极大地限制了像素的竞争力，谁会不愿意多花 50 美元购买 8 elite 呢？电池寿命的提升将是巨大的。”
尽管硬件与 S24 ultra 相同（显示屏、摄像头、电池、充电速度），但 S24 ultra 的价格并不贵 50 美元。
由于配备了 8 elite，其生产成本比 S24 ultra 贵 110 美元。
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8 elite alone regresses the 2025 phone back to 2021 Era due to the cost of the processor eating up major part of production cost.
“It's holding back the pixels so much in competitiveness like who wouldn't pay 50$ more for an 8 elite over this. The battery life jump would be huge.”
It's not 50$ extra S24 ultra despite having the same hardware are S24 ultra ( display, camera, battery , charging speed).
Is 110$ more expensive than S24 ultra to produce due to the 8 elite.
由于处理器成本占据了生产成本的很大一部分，8 elite 本身就将 2025 年的手机退回到了 2021 年的时代。
“它极大地限制了像素的竞争力，谁会不愿意多花 50 美元购买 8 elite 呢？电池寿命的提升将是巨大的。”
尽管硬件与 S24 ultra 相同（显示屏、摄像头、电池、充电速度），但 S24 ultra 的价格并不贵 50 美元。
由于配备了 8 elite，其生产成本比 S24 ultra 贵 110 美元。
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ThankGodImBipolar
“I just don’t understand why they even bother.”
Because there’s more to what’s in an SOC than just the CPU? It sounds like Google has decent IP besides the raw performance of their CPUs.
“我只是不明白他们为什么要费心。”
因为 SOC 中除了 CPU 之外还有更多东西？听起来谷歌除了 CPU 的原始性能之外还拥有不错的知识产权。
“I just don’t understand why they even bother.”
Because there’s more to what’s in an SOC than just the CPU? It sounds like Google has decent IP besides the raw performance of their CPUs.
“我只是不明白他们为什么要费心。”
因为 SOC 中除了 CPU 之外还有更多东西？听起来谷歌除了 CPU 的原始性能之外还拥有不错的知识产权。
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Swaggerlilyjohnson
I mean the cpu is bad, the gpu is bad, the modem is bad. The image processor is probably good but is it even better than Qualcomms? I don't actually know that's difficult to quantify as well how much is hardware vs software for their image processing.
Even the ai performance which is the literal purpose of the chip (It's literally called tensor) is behind Qualcomm I just don't see what is worth it even if maybe some small parts of it are competitive or useful.
我的意思是 CPU 不好，GPU 不好，调制解调器也不好。图像处理器可能不错，但它比高通的更好吗？我实际上不知道这很难量化，以及他们的图像处理中硬件和软件的差距有多大。
即使作为该芯片的真正用途的人工智能性能（它实际上被称为张量）也落后于高通，我只是看不出它有什么价值，即使它的某些小部分可能具有竞争力或有用。
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Swaggerlilyjohnson
I mean the cpu is bad, the gpu is bad, the modem is bad. The image processor is probably good but is it even better than Qualcomms? I don't actually know that's difficult to quantify as well how much is hardware vs software for their image processing.
Even the ai performance which is the literal purpose of the chip (It's literally called tensor) is behind Qualcomm I just don't see what is worth it even if maybe some small parts of it are competitive or useful.
我的意思是 CPU 不好，GPU 不好，调制解调器也不好。图像处理器可能不错，但它比高通的更好吗？我实际上不知道这很难量化，以及他们的图像处理中硬件和软件的差距有多大。
即使作为该芯片的真正用途的人工智能性能（它实际上被称为张量）也落后于高通，我只是看不出它有什么价值，即使它的某些小部分可能具有竞争力或有用。
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Adromedae
Because what you think is "bad" is coming from a place of benchmark obsessed enthusiast. Which is a tiny portion of the market.
Tensors are now "good enough" for a chunk of the market. Pixel now having the highest market share they have ever had, sort of indicates that.
Pixel's now give Google almost a quarter of the device revenue from the Android market. So from Google's perspective, that is a success.
因为你认为的“糟糕”来自于一个痴迷于基准的狂热者。他们只占市场的一小部分。
Tensor 现在对一部分市场来说“足够好”。Pixel 现在拥有有史以来最高的市场份额，这在某种程度上表明了这一点。
Pixel 为谷歌带来了近四分之一的 Android 设备收入。因此从谷歌的角度来看，这是一个成功。
Because what you think is "bad" is coming from a place of benchmark obsessed enthusiast. Which is a tiny portion of the market.
Tensors are now "good enough" for a chunk of the market. Pixel now having the highest market share they have ever had, sort of indicates that.
Pixel's now give Google almost a quarter of the device revenue from the Android market. So from Google's perspective, that is a success.
因为你认为的“糟糕”来自于一个痴迷于基准的狂热者。他们只占市场的一小部分。
Tensor 现在对一部分市场来说“足够好”。Pixel 现在拥有有史以来最高的市场份额，这在某种程度上表明了这一点。
Pixel 为谷歌带来了近四分之一的 Android 设备收入。因此从谷歌的角度来看，这是一个成功。
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