为什么圣经里的上帝执行所有这些“奇迹”，预兆等...但是现在他很沉默？
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Like, in the bible god (supposedly) did a bunch of stuff. Killed many in a global flood, changed the languages of humans, made a fish swallow Jonah, fire from heaven, resurrected (some) people, etc etc.... but now, nothing.................
比如说，在《圣经》里，上帝（据称）做了很多事。他发动了一场全球性的洪水，杀死了无数人；改变了人类的语言；让一条鱼吞下了约拿；从天上降下火焰；还复活了一些人，等等等等……但现在呢？什么都没有了……完全静悄悄的。
Like, in the bible god (supposedly) did a bunch of stuff. Killed many in a global flood, changed the languages of humans, made a fish swallow Jonah, fire from heaven, resurrected (some) people, etc etc.... but now, nothing.................
比如说，在《圣经》里，上帝（据称）做了很多事。他发动了一场全球性的洪水，杀死了无数人；改变了人类的语言；让一条鱼吞下了约拿；从天上降下火焰；还复活了一些人，等等等等……但现在呢？什么都没有了……完全静悄悄的。
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whiskey_epsilon
If you want the Watsonian explanation, I might suggest looking for a christianity sub. Out here in the general reddit wilds, the answer is going to be simply that it's not real.
如果你想要一个华生式的解释，我建议你去找一个基督教相关的子论坛。在这里，在Reddit的广袤荒野中，答案很简单：它不是真实的。
If you want the Watsonian explanation, I might suggest looking for a christianity sub. Out here in the general reddit wilds, the answer is going to be simply that it's not real.
如果你想要一个华生式的解释，我建议你去找一个基督教相关的子论坛。在这里，在Reddit的广袤荒野中，答案很简单：它不是真实的。
Eeeegah to whiskey_epsilon
As an atheist, I understand the Christian answer is that you can continue to find miracles all around. A child who survives brain cancer. A single person alive in a town destroyed by a hurricane. A man manages to live on a raft stranded in the ocean for a week. To me these are signs, at best, of the pointless cruelty of god if one exists, but more likely just random luck and the tenacity of the human body to live.
作为一个无神论者，我理解基督徒的答案是，你可以继续在周围发现奇迹。一个从脑癌中幸存的孩子。飓风摧毁的小镇上唯一的幸存者。一个人在海上漂流一周后仍然活着。对我来说，如果存在上帝，这些最多只能说明上帝的无意义的残酷；但更可能只是随机的运气和人类身体顽强求生的本能。
As an atheist, I understand the Christian answer is that you can continue to find miracles all around. A child who survives brain cancer. A single person alive in a town destroyed by a hurricane. A man manages to live on a raft stranded in the ocean for a week. To me these are signs, at best, of the pointless cruelty of god if one exists, but more likely just random luck and the tenacity of the human body to live.
作为一个无神论者，我理解基督徒的答案是，你可以继续在周围发现奇迹。一个从脑癌中幸存的孩子。飓风摧毁的小镇上唯一的幸存者。一个人在海上漂流一周后仍然活着。对我来说，如果存在上帝，这些最多只能说明上帝的无意义的残酷；但更可能只是随机的运气和人类身体顽强求生的本能。
carl84 to Eeeegah
In other words god was happy to kill all the other kids with brain cancer, kill the rest of the town with a hurricane, drown anybody else stranded at sea
换句话说，上帝很高兴让所有其他患有脑癌的孩子死去，用飓风杀死镇上的其他人，淹死其他在海上漂流的人。
In other words god was happy to kill all the other kids with brain cancer, kill the rest of the town with a hurricane, drown anybody else stranded at sea
换句话说，上帝很高兴让所有其他患有脑癌的孩子死去，用飓风杀死镇上的其他人，淹死其他在海上漂流的人。
neverlookdown77 to carl84
God was busy making touchdowns happen and making sure Jesus was visible on a random piece of bread.
上帝正忙着让触地得分发生，并确保耶稣的形象出现在一片随机的面包上。
God was busy making touchdowns happen and making sure Jesus was visible on a random piece of bread.
上帝正忙着让触地得分发生，并确保耶稣的形象出现在一片随机的面包上。
thnk_more to neverlookdown77
HMMm so true.
The rise of football and sliced bread has coincided with the drop in public miracles.
I think you are on to something. This must be a sign.
嗯，确实如此。
橄榄球的兴起和切片面包的普及，与公共奇迹的减少同时发生。
我觉得你发现了什么。这一定是个征兆。
HMMm so true.
The rise of football and sliced bread has coincided with the drop in public miracles.
I think you are on to something. This must be a sign.
嗯，确实如此。
橄榄球的兴起和切片面包的普及，与公共奇迹的减少同时发生。
我觉得你发现了什么。这一定是个征兆。
EvoSP1100 to carl84
Exactly, but you know, one must look on the bright side of life
没错，但你知道，人必须看到生活中光明的一面。
Exactly, but you know, one must look on the bright side of life
没错，但你知道，人必须看到生活中光明的一面。
ADQuatt to EvoSP1100
Lifes a piece of shit, when you look at it.
生活就是一坨屎，当你仔细看它的时候。
Lifes a piece of shit, when you look at it.
生活就是一坨屎，当你仔细看它的时候。
vibrantlightsaber to ADQuatt
So always look on the bright side of life.. doodo doodo dodo dodo
所以，总是要看到生活中光明的一面……嘟嘟嘟，嘟嘟嘟，嘟嘟嘟嘟。
So always look on the bright side of life.. doodo doodo dodo dodo
所以，总是要看到生活中光明的一面……嘟嘟嘟，嘟嘟嘟，嘟嘟嘟嘟。
wishiwasnthere1
Because he doesn’t exist
因为他根本不存在
Because he doesn’t exist
因为他根本不存在
kaliton avatar to wishiwasnthere1
exactly, but also no story in the bibble is written with first hand accounts of anything. It is hearsay on hearsay at best.
Let's look at the british royal fam...Lot. the city is destroyed, his wife turns to salt, his daughters rape him. (tldr version) ...for some reason there are statements by his daughters. The only people there were drunk Lot and his 2 daughters, it isn't like they would write in the third person if for some reason they were writing it down. So logically one of the daughters must have told this story to other people later in life who then wrote it down. This wouldn't be admissible in court because it is completely unreliable.
确实如此，但更重要的是，《圣经》中的任何故事都不是以第一手资料写成的。充其量只是传闻中的传闻。
让我们看看英国王室的故事……罗得。城市被毁灭，他的妻子变成了盐柱，他的女儿们强奸了他。（简化版）……不知为何，故事中却有他女儿们的陈述。当时在场的只有醉酒的罗得和他的两个女儿，如果他们真的写下了这件事，也不会用第三人称来写。所以逻辑上，其中一个女儿一定是在后来将这个故事告诉了其他人，然后由这些人记录下来。这在法庭上是不可采信的，因为它完全不可靠。
exactly, but also no story in the bibble is written with first hand accounts of anything. It is hearsay on hearsay at best.
Let's look at the british royal fam...Lot. the city is destroyed, his wife turns to salt, his daughters rape him. (tldr version) ...for some reason there are statements by his daughters. The only people there were drunk Lot and his 2 daughters, it isn't like they would write in the third person if for some reason they were writing it down. So logically one of the daughters must have told this story to other people later in life who then wrote it down. This wouldn't be admissible in court because it is completely unreliable.
确实如此，但更重要的是，《圣经》中的任何故事都不是以第一手资料写成的。充其量只是传闻中的传闻。
让我们看看英国王室的故事……罗得。城市被毁灭，他的妻子变成了盐柱，他的女儿们强奸了他。（简化版）……不知为何，故事中却有他女儿们的陈述。当时在场的只有醉酒的罗得和他的两个女儿，如果他们真的写下了这件事，也不会用第三人称来写。所以逻辑上，其中一个女儿一定是在后来将这个故事告诉了其他人，然后由这些人记录下来。这在法庭上是不可采信的，因为它完全不可靠。
InquisitorNikolai to kaliton avatar
It’s like Chinese whispers I guess. Details change over time. But why would people lie about it in the first place?
这就像传话游戏一样。细节会随着时间改变。但为什么人们一开始要撒谎呢？
It’s like Chinese whispers I guess. Details change over time. But why would people lie about it in the first place?
这就像传话游戏一样。细节会随着时间改变。但为什么人们一开始要撒谎呢？
lilgergi to wishiwasnthere1
This is obvious. The question was more curious about the christian explanation of it, how could it be explained within religion, to make it believable
这是显而易见的。问题更多的是好奇基督教对此如何解释，如何在宗教内部解释才能让人信服。
This is obvious. The question was more curious about the christian explanation of it, how could it be explained within religion, to make it believable
这是显而易见的。问题更多的是好奇基督教对此如何解释，如何在宗教内部解释才能让人信服。
Oozlum-Bird
The same reason people dont report as many ghosts/UFOs etc now so many of us have smart phones in our pockets
这和为什么现在人们报告幽灵/UFO的次数变少了一样，毕竟我们口袋里都有智能手机了。
The same reason people dont report as many ghosts/UFOs etc now so many of us have smart phones in our pockets
这和为什么现在人们报告幽灵/UFO的次数变少了一样，毕竟我们口袋里都有智能手机了。
Ben_145 to Oozlum-Bird
I dont know if you browse any ufo subreddits recently but sightings have significantly increased since smart phone cameras improved
我不知道你最近是否浏览过任何UFO相关的子论坛，但自从智能手机摄像头改进后，目击事件显著增加了。
I dont know if you browse any ufo subreddits recently but sightings have significantly increased since smart phone cameras improved
我不知道你最近是否浏览过任何UFO相关的子论坛，但自从智能手机摄像头改进后，目击事件显著增加了。
Shivering_Monkey to Ben_145
sightings of the same nonsense they've always been. There is as much evidence for the existence of extra terrestrials as there is for any god, none.
目击到的还是那些一直以来都存在的无稽之谈。关于外星人存在的证据和关于任何神存在的证据一样多——也就是零。
sightings of the same nonsense they've always been. There is as much evidence for the existence of extra terrestrials as there is for any god, none.
目击到的还是那些一直以来都存在的无稽之谈。关于外星人存在的证据和关于任何神存在的证据一样多——也就是零。
Ben_145 to Shivering_Monkey
Unidentified Flying obxts and Extra-Terrestrials are not the same thing.
There is plenty of HD footage of UFOs available now. where they come from or how they are able to defy physics is the big question now, not whether they exist or not.
不明飞行物和外星人不是一回事。
现在有很多高清的UFO录像。它们从何而来，或者它们如何能够违背物理法则，才是现在的大问题，而不是它们是否存在。
Unidentified Flying obxts and Extra-Terrestrials are not the same thing.
There is plenty of HD footage of UFOs available now. where they come from or how they are able to defy physics is the big question now, not whether they exist or not.
不明飞行物和外星人不是一回事。
现在有很多高清的UFO录像。它们从何而来，或者它们如何能够违背物理法则，才是现在的大问题，而不是它们是否存在。
captain_chocolate
Much like "Why are there fewer images of flying saucers now that everyone has a digital camera with them 24/7?"
Both are fantasies.
就像“为什么现在每个人全天候都带着数码相机，但飞碟的照片却越来越少了”
两者都是幻想。
Much like "Why are there fewer images of flying saucers now that everyone has a digital camera with them 24/7?"
Both are fantasies.
就像“为什么现在每个人全天候都带着数码相机，但飞碟的照片却越来越少了”
两者都是幻想。
MrCellophane_SS_KotZ
I think this question fails to take into consideration the fact that the Bible is not a single book but many that was written by numerous individuals over hundreds of years.
So, All of these things he was said to do don't occur during a single point in time. Not even a single century really
我认为这个问题没有考虑到一个事实，即《圣经》并不是一本书，而是由许多人在数百年的时间里撰写的多部作品的集合。
因此，所有这些关于他所做的事情的描述并不是发生在同一个时间点，甚至不是发生在同一个世纪。
I think this question fails to take into consideration the fact that the Bible is not a single book but many that was written by numerous individuals over hundreds of years.
So, All of these things he was said to do don't occur during a single point in time. Not even a single century really
我认为这个问题没有考虑到一个事实，即《圣经》并不是一本书，而是由许多人在数百年的时间里撰写的多部作品的集合。
因此，所有这些关于他所做的事情的描述并不是发生在同一个时间点，甚至不是发生在同一个世纪。
lalala253 to MrCellophane_SS_KotZ
In modern bible the story would be a "sickness that plague the entire world." Or "war machines that brings sadness and clears out entire cities"
在现代的《圣经》中，这些故事可能会被描述为“一种席卷全球的瘟疫”或“带来悲伤并摧毁整座城市的战争机器”。
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In modern bible the story would be a "sickness that plague the entire world." Or "war machines that brings sadness and clears out entire cities"
在现代的《圣经》中，这些故事可能会被描述为“一种席卷全球的瘟疫”或“带来悲伤并摧毁整座城市的战争机器”。
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do-not-freeze to lalala253
If it's a "living text", why don't they keep adding these events to it?
如果它是一个“活着的文本”，为什么他们不继续将这些事件添加到其中呢？
If it's a "living text", why don't they keep adding these events to it?
如果它是一个“活着的文本”，为什么他们不继续将这些事件添加到其中呢？
EgNotaEkkiReddit to do-not-freeze
The biblical canon is closed, at least as far as Christianity (and most of the other Abrahamic religions) is concerned. There's a reason why Muhammad has the title "the seal of prophets", because in Islam he is the last one. The same applies to the apostles in the Bible.
The general idea simply is that God has said all that he wishes to say, and has no need to reiterate with new prophets and visions and revelations - everything you need for salvation has already been revealed to you, it's all there in the bible. Anything new, the idea goes, would simply be stating the same thing again.
As such no new books are added to the bible, as they'd all be works of man. However, you will find that there are a lot of people who write a lot of books on various modern events from a religious lense - it's simply not a divine lense, just their own perspective.
《圣经》的正典已经封闭，至少对基督教（以及大多数其他亚伯拉罕宗教）来说是如此。这就是为什么穆罕默德被称为“封印先知”，因为在伊斯兰教中，他是最后一位先知。同样，这也适用于《圣经》中的使徒们。
普遍的观点是，上帝已经说出了他想说的一切，没有必要通过新的先知、异象和启示来重复——所有你需要得救的信息都已经向你揭示，一切都已在《圣经》中。任何新的内容，按照这种观点，都只是重复已经说过的东西。
因此，没有新的书籍被添加到《圣经》中，因为它们都将是人类的作品。然而，你会发现有很多人从宗教的角度撰写了许多关于现代事件的书籍——只不过这些并不是神圣的视角，而是他们自己的观点。
The biblical canon is closed, at least as far as Christianity (and most of the other Abrahamic religions) is concerned. There's a reason why Muhammad has the title "the seal of prophets", because in Islam he is the last one. The same applies to the apostles in the Bible.
The general idea simply is that God has said all that he wishes to say, and has no need to reiterate with new prophets and visions and revelations - everything you need for salvation has already been revealed to you, it's all there in the bible. Anything new, the idea goes, would simply be stating the same thing again.
As such no new books are added to the bible, as they'd all be works of man. However, you will find that there are a lot of people who write a lot of books on various modern events from a religious lense - it's simply not a divine lense, just their own perspective.
《圣经》的正典已经封闭，至少对基督教（以及大多数其他亚伯拉罕宗教）来说是如此。这就是为什么穆罕默德被称为“封印先知”，因为在伊斯兰教中，他是最后一位先知。同样，这也适用于《圣经》中的使徒们。
普遍的观点是，上帝已经说出了他想说的一切，没有必要通过新的先知、异象和启示来重复——所有你需要得救的信息都已经向你揭示，一切都已在《圣经》中。任何新的内容，按照这种观点，都只是重复已经说过的东西。
因此，没有新的书籍被添加到《圣经》中，因为它们都将是人类的作品。然而，你会发现有很多人从宗教的角度撰写了许多关于现代事件的书籍——只不过这些并不是神圣的视角，而是他们自己的观点。
DaddaMongo
I find it odd that when someone survives an catastrophic or weird event its a miracle but when someone dies in a weird unlikely event its not a miracle they died.
我觉得很奇怪，当有人从灾难性或离奇的事件中幸存下来时，这被称为奇迹；但当有人在不太可能发生的离奇事件中死亡时，他们的死亡却不被称为奇迹。
I find it odd that when someone survives an catastrophic or weird event its a miracle but when someone dies in a weird unlikely event its not a miracle they died.
我觉得很奇怪，当有人从灾难性或离奇的事件中幸存下来时，这被称为奇迹；但当有人在不太可能发生的离奇事件中死亡时，他们的死亡却不被称为奇迹。
dm80x86 to DaddaMongo
Well... ...
嗯……
Well... ...
嗯……
Horror-Temporary3584 to DaddaMongo
God did a lot of killing back in the day and it was miraculous. Depends on what side of the sword you were on.
上帝在过去做了很多杀戮，而这些都被认为是奇迹。这取决于你站在剑的哪一边。
God did a lot of killing back in the day and it was miraculous. Depends on what side of the sword you were on.
上帝在过去做了很多杀戮，而这些都被认为是奇迹。这取决于你站在剑的哪一边。
Commercial-Hour-2417 to DaddaMongo
The dumbest logic I've heard in recent history is when the Notre Dame fire burned all the wooden relics but the METAL cross survived by miracle. Like bitch, do you know how fire works?
我最近听过的最愚蠢的逻辑是，当巴黎圣母院火灾烧毁了所有木质遗物时，金属十字架却奇迹般地幸存了下来。拜托，你了解火是怎么工作的吗？
The dumbest logic I've heard in recent history is when the Notre Dame fire burned all the wooden relics but the METAL cross survived by miracle. Like bitch, do you know how fire works?
我最近听过的最愚蠢的逻辑是，当巴黎圣母院火灾烧毁了所有木质遗物时，金属十字架却奇迹般地幸存了下来。拜托，你了解火是怎么工作的吗？
ksoss1
The answer on Reddit is "it's not real" because it's not. Let's be honest. These are stories human beings made up to explain parts of the human experience we can't explain.
Unfortunately we have large numbers of people who blindly believe in these stories and are willing to do crazy things because of them... Just sad.
在Reddit上的答案是“这不是真的”，因为它确实不是。老实说，这些故事是人类编造出来的，用来解释我们无法理解的人类经验。
不幸的是，有大量的人盲目相信这些故事，并愿意为此做出疯狂的事情……真是可悲。
The answer on Reddit is "it's not real" because it's not. Let's be honest. These are stories human beings made up to explain parts of the human experience we can't explain.
Unfortunately we have large numbers of people who blindly believe in these stories and are willing to do crazy things because of them... Just sad.
在Reddit上的答案是“这不是真的”，因为它确实不是。老实说，这些故事是人类编造出来的，用来解释我们无法理解的人类经验。
不幸的是，有大量的人盲目相信这些故事，并愿意为此做出疯狂的事情……真是可悲。
Elastichedgehog to ksoss1
I think OP wants to know the Christian rationalisation.
我认为楼主想知道的是基督教的合理化解释。
I think OP wants to know the Christian rationalisation.
我认为楼主想知道的是基督教的合理化解释。
KingOfTheHoard to ksoss1
The person youre replying to is clearly either aware of that.
你回复的那个人显然已经意识到了这一点。
The person youre replying to is clearly either aware of that.
你回复的那个人显然已经意识到了这一点。
G07V3 to ksoss1
IMO biblical stories should be interpreted as a lesson or to teach something rather than taken literally.
在我看来，《圣经》故事应该被解读为一种教训或教导，而不是字面意义上的真实事件。
IMO biblical stories should be interpreted as a lesson or to teach something rather than taken literally.
在我看来，《圣经》故事应该被解读为一种教训或教导，而不是字面意义上的真实事件。
ledditmodsaresad to ksoss1
That's fair as long as it's applied to all religions.
只要这种观点适用于所有宗教，那就是公平的。
That's fair as long as it's applied to all religions.
只要这种观点适用于所有宗教，那就是公平的。
sublimesting to ledditmodsaresad
None of them are real for the same reason.
它们都不是真实的，原因都一样。
None of them are real for the same reason.
它们都不是真实的，原因都一样。
General_Josh to ksoss1
Hey I used to think a lot like you, but I've since realized that acting condescending towards religious folks gets absolutely nowhere. You get angrier, they retreat back into their beliefs, nobody gets helped.
It's a lot better to just do your thing, and let them do their thing. Don't challenge people's beliefs, that does not work. Instead, try to change their beliefs by actively demonstrating that non-believers can be good people
Religion as an institution gets used to push many beliefs I strongly disagree with, but so do lots of other institutions, like 24 hour news, or Facebook. Yes, there's bad people in any given religious organization, just like there's bad people on Facebook. The vast majority are not bad people though; they're just struggling along trying to do the best they can
嘿，我曾经也像你这样想，但后来我意识到，对宗教人士表现出居高临下的态度毫无意义。你会变得更愤怒，而他们会更加固守自己的信仰，最终没有人得到帮助。
更好的做法是，你做你的事，让他们做他们的事。不要挑战别人的信仰，这行不通。相反，试着通过实际行动展示非信徒也可以是好人，从而改变他们的观念。
宗教作为一种制度，被用来推行许多我强烈反对的观念，但其他许多制度也是如此，比如24小时新闻或Facebook。是的，任何宗教组织中都有坏人，就像Facebook上也有坏人一样。但绝大多数人并不是坏人；他们只是在努力做到最好，尽力应对生活中的挑战。
Hey I used to think a lot like you, but I've since realized that acting condescending towards religious folks gets absolutely nowhere. You get angrier, they retreat back into their beliefs, nobody gets helped.
It's a lot better to just do your thing, and let them do their thing. Don't challenge people's beliefs, that does not work. Instead, try to change their beliefs by actively demonstrating that non-believers can be good people
Religion as an institution gets used to push many beliefs I strongly disagree with, but so do lots of other institutions, like 24 hour news, or Facebook. Yes, there's bad people in any given religious organization, just like there's bad people on Facebook. The vast majority are not bad people though; they're just struggling along trying to do the best they can
嘿，我曾经也像你这样想，但后来我意识到，对宗教人士表现出居高临下的态度毫无意义。你会变得更愤怒，而他们会更加固守自己的信仰，最终没有人得到帮助。
更好的做法是，你做你的事，让他们做他们的事。不要挑战别人的信仰，这行不通。相反，试着通过实际行动展示非信徒也可以是好人，从而改变他们的观念。
宗教作为一种制度，被用来推行许多我强烈反对的观念，但其他许多制度也是如此，比如24小时新闻或Facebook。是的，任何宗教组织中都有坏人，就像Facebook上也有坏人一样。但绝大多数人并不是坏人；他们只是在努力做到最好，尽力应对生活中的挑战。
Abel_Skyblade to General_Josh
I would love to leave them in peace, regretfully they are religious and I am gay. If I just leave them do their thing the natural outcome is conversion therapy at best or throwing me from the highest building at worst.
我很想让他们安静地生活，但遗憾的是，他们是宗教信徒，而我是同性恋。如果我放任他们做他们的事，最好的结果可能是让我接受“转化治疗”，最坏的结果可能是把我从最高的建筑上扔下去。
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I would love to leave them in peace, regretfully they are religious and I am gay. If I just leave them do their thing the natural outcome is conversion therapy at best or throwing me from the highest building at worst.
我很想让他们安静地生活，但遗憾的是，他们是宗教信徒，而我是同性恋。如果我放任他们做他们的事，最好的结果可能是让我接受“转化治疗”，最坏的结果可能是把我从最高的建筑上扔下去。
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Shivering_Monkey to General_Josh
Religious people "doing their thing" often leads to great harm to everyone else just "doing their thing>"
宗教人士“做他们的事”往往会对其他“做他们的事”的人造成巨大的伤害。
Religious people "doing their thing" often leads to great harm to everyone else just "doing their thing>"
宗教人士“做他们的事”往往会对其他“做他们的事”的人造成巨大的伤害。
VonShtupp
I am not a biblical scholar, but Ive asked similar questions while in Catholic school (trying to trip up the priest) and during my later in life Catechism classes.
First, the entirety of the Bible is made up of smaller books that were written by different men throughout the centuries.
So the time span between miracles is not automatically questionable.
Second, the people who wrote these books, wrote them to people who listened or DID NOT listen to their warnings and then recorded the subsequent actions.
In other words, God could be taking to new prophets and the rest of the world is ignoring them. A good example is the comparison of Lot warning Sodom and Joann of Arc warning France.
Joan is now considered a Saint and her story is most definitely miraculous. But no one wants to write her story into the Bible.
Third, for many the point of the Old Testament was to lay the groundwork for the Messiah. The New Testament was to tell the story of the Messiah, relate his messages with his miracles, and to now tell the world how to go forward.
There is no more need to provide miracles to prove Gods existence, now it is up to man ti have faith and follow the path that was laid out in the Bible...
TO INCLUDE REVELATIONS.
Fourth, Which is where we are supposed to look for the signs.
Again, I am not a biblical scholar and my faith has been shaken and skewed and downright broken these past few years. But this is what I have been able to compile.
我不是圣经学者，但我在天主教学校（试图难倒神父）以及后来的教理课上问过类似的问题。
首先，整本《圣经》是由不同世纪的不同人撰写的多部小书组成的。
因此，奇迹之间的时间跨度并非一定存在疑问。
其次，撰写这些书的人是为那些听从或没有听从他们警告的人写的，并记录了随后的行动。
换句话说，上帝可能正在与新先知对话，而世界上的其他人却在忽视他们。一个很好的例子是罗得警告所多玛和圣女贞德警告法国的对比。
贞德现在被视为圣人，她的故事绝对是一个奇迹。但没有人想把她的故事写进《圣经》。
第三，对许多人来说，《旧约》的目的是为弥赛亚的到来奠定基础。《新约》则是讲述弥赛亚的故事，将他的信息与奇迹联系起来，并告诉世界如何继续前进。
现在不再需要提供奇迹来证明上帝的存在，现在轮到人类通过信仰跟随《圣经》中所铺设的道路前行了....包括《启示录》。
第四，这也是我们应该寻找预兆的地方。
再次声明，我不是圣经学者，而且过去几年我的信仰已经动摇、扭曲甚至彻底破碎。但这些是我能够整理出来的答案。
I am not a biblical scholar, but Ive asked similar questions while in Catholic school (trying to trip up the priest) and during my later in life Catechism classes.
First, the entirety of the Bible is made up of smaller books that were written by different men throughout the centuries.
So the time span between miracles is not automatically questionable.
Second, the people who wrote these books, wrote them to people who listened or DID NOT listen to their warnings and then recorded the subsequent actions.
In other words, God could be taking to new prophets and the rest of the world is ignoring them. A good example is the comparison of Lot warning Sodom and Joann of Arc warning France.
Joan is now considered a Saint and her story is most definitely miraculous. But no one wants to write her story into the Bible.
Third, for many the point of the Old Testament was to lay the groundwork for the Messiah. The New Testament was to tell the story of the Messiah, relate his messages with his miracles, and to now tell the world how to go forward.
There is no more need to provide miracles to prove Gods existence, now it is up to man ti have faith and follow the path that was laid out in the Bible...
TO INCLUDE REVELATIONS.
Fourth, Which is where we are supposed to look for the signs.
Again, I am not a biblical scholar and my faith has been shaken and skewed and downright broken these past few years. But this is what I have been able to compile.
我不是圣经学者，但我在天主教学校（试图难倒神父）以及后来的教理课上问过类似的问题。
首先，整本《圣经》是由不同世纪的不同人撰写的多部小书组成的。
因此，奇迹之间的时间跨度并非一定存在疑问。
其次，撰写这些书的人是为那些听从或没有听从他们警告的人写的，并记录了随后的行动。
换句话说，上帝可能正在与新先知对话，而世界上的其他人却在忽视他们。一个很好的例子是罗得警告所多玛和圣女贞德警告法国的对比。
贞德现在被视为圣人，她的故事绝对是一个奇迹。但没有人想把她的故事写进《圣经》。
第三，对许多人来说，《旧约》的目的是为弥赛亚的到来奠定基础。《新约》则是讲述弥赛亚的故事，将他的信息与奇迹联系起来，并告诉世界如何继续前进。
现在不再需要提供奇迹来证明上帝的存在，现在轮到人类通过信仰跟随《圣经》中所铺设的道路前行了....包括《启示录》。
第四，这也是我们应该寻找预兆的地方。
再次声明，我不是圣经学者，而且过去几年我的信仰已经动摇、扭曲甚至彻底破碎。但这些是我能够整理出来的答案。
Skimable_crude to VonShtupp
These are interesting arguments. We're bombarded with fake and staged material. We'd just yawn and scroll if we saw a "miracle".
Disclaimer: I am an agnostic.
这些论点很有趣。我们被虚假和摆拍的材料轰炸。如果我们看到一个“奇迹”，我们只会打个哈欠然后继续刷屏。
免责声明：我是一个不可知论者。
These are interesting arguments. We're bombarded with fake and staged material. We'd just yawn and scroll if we saw a "miracle".
Disclaimer: I am an agnostic.
这些论点很有趣。我们被虚假和摆拍的材料轰炸。如果我们看到一个“奇迹”，我们只会打个哈欠然后继续刷屏。
免责声明：我是一个不可知论者。
SashaKitten21 to Skimable_crude
I mean they test miracles all the time and 100% of the time theyve had logical natural explanations
我的意思是，他们一直在测试奇迹，而100%的情况下，这些奇迹都有合乎逻辑的自然解释。
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I mean they test miracles all the time and 100% of the time theyve had logical natural explanations
我的意思是，他们一直在测试奇迹，而100%的情况下，这些奇迹都有合乎逻辑的自然解释。
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throw_towel_25
It's all about interpretation. For example, a lot of plane crashes had happened recently. You could interpret that as the God punishing people. Or the L.A. fire. Or some other disaster. If you believe it, then God did it
这完全取决于解释。例如，最近发生了很多飞机坠毁事件。你可以将其解释为上帝在惩罚人们。或者洛杉矶的火灾。或者其他灾难。如果你相信，那就是上帝做的。
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It's all about interpretation. For example, a lot of plane crashes had happened recently. You could interpret that as the God punishing people. Or the L.A. fire. Or some other disaster. If you believe it, then God did it
这完全取决于解释。例如，最近发生了很多飞机坠毁事件。你可以将其解释为上帝在惩罚人们。或者洛杉矶的火灾。或者其他灾难。如果你相信，那就是上帝做的。
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Glittery_WarlockWho to throw_towel_25
right, but recently, god has been punishing people left and right, but we don't see a lot of rewarding people.
没错，但最近上帝一直到处惩罚人们，但我们却没有看到很多人得到奖励。
right, but recently, god has been punishing people left and right, but we don't see a lot of rewarding people.
没错，但最近上帝一直到处惩罚人们，但我们却没有看到很多人得到奖励。
throw_towel_25 to Glittery_WarlockWho
I heard Israel has secured peace deal with Hamas. See, God is rewarding people with peace! All about interpretation I say
我听说以色列已经与哈马斯达成了和平协议。看，上帝正在用和平奖励人们！我说了，这完全取决于如何解释。
I heard Israel has secured peace deal with Hamas. See, God is rewarding people with peace! All about interpretation I say
我听说以色列已经与哈马斯达成了和平协议。看，上帝正在用和平奖励人们！我说了，这完全取决于如何解释。
cheeersaiii to throw_towel_25
Until Hamas has no hostages left
直到哈马斯手里没有人质了再说吧。
Until Hamas has no hostages left
直到哈马斯手里没有人质了再说吧。
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In a nutshell:
1.it's easier to have miracles when we don't understand most things. Lighting from the sky? Miracle! Earthquakes? God's fury!
2.No fact checking. Write what you want, no one to question you.
3.Hallucinogenic drugs were likely involved, unknowingly or not, in a lot of those stories.
简而言之：
1.当我们对大多数事物都不了解时，奇迹更容易被接受。天空中的闪电？奇迹！地震？上帝的愤怒！
2.没有事实核查。想写什么就写什么，没有人会质疑你。
3.在许多这些故事中，可能无意或有意地涉及了致幻药物。
In a nutshell:
1.it's easier to have miracles when we don't understand most things. Lighting from the sky? Miracle! Earthquakes? God's fury!
2.No fact checking. Write what you want, no one to question you.
3.Hallucinogenic drugs were likely involved, unknowingly or not, in a lot of those stories.
简而言之：
1.当我们对大多数事物都不了解时，奇迹更容易被接受。天空中的闪电？奇迹！地震？上帝的愤怒！
2.没有事实核查。想写什么就写什么，没有人会质疑你。
3.在许多这些故事中，可能无意或有意地涉及了致幻药物。
Buoy_readyformore
You actually believe shit written down by men over 1000 years ago now then creatively editted a few dozen times... sliced diced... smacked around...
That you can believe anything 3000 years ago beyond myth and metaphor for our ancestors and species?
It is truly relevant from a historical perspective...
Why scared bastards believe this shit in 2025 or any recent time is baffeling and lord of the rings was more entertaining...
So if JRR Tolkien does better than gods... maybe you just need one ring...
你真的相信那些1000多年前由人类写下的，而且经过了几十次的创造性编辑……被剪切、拼接、修改、甚至扭曲过的东西吗？
你真的能相信3000年前的东西不仅仅是神话和隐喻，而是关于我们祖先和物种的真实记录吗？
从历史的角度来看，这些东西确实有一定的相关性……
为什么一些胆小的家伙在2025年或任何近代仍然相信这些东西，真让人费解，而且，《指环王》可比这些有趣多了……
所以，如果J.R.R. 托尔金的作品比上帝的故事更吸引人……也许你只需要一枚戒指就够了……
You actually believe shit written down by men over 1000 years ago now then creatively editted a few dozen times... sliced diced... smacked around...
That you can believe anything 3000 years ago beyond myth and metaphor for our ancestors and species?
It is truly relevant from a historical perspective...
Why scared bastards believe this shit in 2025 or any recent time is baffeling and lord of the rings was more entertaining...
So if JRR Tolkien does better than gods... maybe you just need one ring...
你真的相信那些1000多年前由人类写下的，而且经过了几十次的创造性编辑……被剪切、拼接、修改、甚至扭曲过的东西吗？
你真的能相信3000年前的东西不仅仅是神话和隐喻，而是关于我们祖先和物种的真实记录吗？
从历史的角度来看，这些东西确实有一定的相关性……
为什么一些胆小的家伙在2025年或任何近代仍然相信这些东西，真让人费解，而且，《指环王》可比这些有趣多了……
所以，如果J.R.R. 托尔金的作品比上帝的故事更吸引人……也许你只需要一枚戒指就够了……
lovelyb1ch66
I think that most biblical stories has some root in reality but that the original event has been twisted to suit the narrative. Take the Great Flood for instance, it could very well be based on an actual flood where someone saw a farmer rescuing his livestock in a boat thereby saving his family. So if you take something recent as an example, let’s say the tsunami in Thailand in 2004. If I was a religious scribe and I wanted to write a story about man’s proclivity for sin and God’s wrath in the face of it, that event would be a perfect example. Then it could be twisted either way; all the sinners dead or the miracle of all believers survived. Mind also that biblical events span several centuries, it’s not as if it depicts miracles as a regular thing.
我认为大多数圣经故事都有一定的现实基础，但原始事件可能被扭曲以适应特定的叙事需求。以大洪水为例，它很可能基于一场真实的洪水事件，有人看到一位农民用船救了他的牲畜，从而拯救了他的家人。所以，如果我们拿最近的事件举例，比如2004年泰国的海啸。如果我是一个宗教抄写员，想写一个关于人类罪恶倾向以及上帝对此愤怒的故事，那场海啸将是一个完美的例子。然后这个故事可以被任意扭曲：要么所有罪人死了，要么是信徒奇迹般地幸存下来。还要注意的是，圣经中的事件跨越了几个世纪，并不是说它把奇迹描绘成经常发生的事情。
I think that most biblical stories has some root in reality but that the original event has been twisted to suit the narrative. Take the Great Flood for instance, it could very well be based on an actual flood where someone saw a farmer rescuing his livestock in a boat thereby saving his family. So if you take something recent as an example, let’s say the tsunami in Thailand in 2004. If I was a religious scribe and I wanted to write a story about man’s proclivity for sin and God’s wrath in the face of it, that event would be a perfect example. Then it could be twisted either way; all the sinners dead or the miracle of all believers survived. Mind also that biblical events span several centuries, it’s not as if it depicts miracles as a regular thing.
我认为大多数圣经故事都有一定的现实基础，但原始事件可能被扭曲以适应特定的叙事需求。以大洪水为例，它很可能基于一场真实的洪水事件，有人看到一位农民用船救了他的牲畜，从而拯救了他的家人。所以，如果我们拿最近的事件举例，比如2004年泰国的海啸。如果我是一个宗教抄写员，想写一个关于人类罪恶倾向以及上帝对此愤怒的故事，那场海啸将是一个完美的例子。然后这个故事可以被任意扭曲：要么所有罪人死了，要么是信徒奇迹般地幸存下来。还要注意的是，圣经中的事件跨越了几个世纪，并不是说它把奇迹描绘成经常发生的事情。
Rindal_Cerelli
God still does those things we just have scientific explanations for most of it.
上帝仍然在做这些事情，我们只是对其中的大部分有科学的解释。
God still does those things we just have scientific explanations for most of it.
上帝仍然在做这些事情，我们只是对其中的大部分有科学的解释。
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