英国政府能否减少移民? |
2025-05-17 不要可乐 3443
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Today, we look at Labour’s plan to fix the UK’s ‘‘broken’’ migration system.
James speaks to Home Secretary Yvette Cooper to comb through the details including a degree-level requirement for overseas workers, ending automatic settlement after five years for most visas, and a tightening of English tests for all visa applicants.
We also look at how the US and China came to a sudden agreement to slash their tariffs for 90 days. BBC’s economics editor Faisal Islam and BBC’s China correspondent Laura Bicker join James.

今天,我们将讨论工党解决英国“破碎”移民系统的计划。
James与内政大臣Yvette Cooper进行了对话,详细分析了计划的内容,包括要求海外劳工具备学位水平、结束大多数签证五年后自动获得定居资格,以及加强所有签证申请者的英语测试。我们还将探讨美国和中国如何突然达成协议,削减90天的关税。BBC经济编辑Faisal Islam和BBC中国记者Laura Bicker与James一起讨论此事。

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@alis5893
A jobless native in london can get about 1300 per month on housing and jobless benefits.
Thats 15600 pounds per year TAX FREE.
Now how much a care home worker gets paid?????
NO native will bother switching from benefits.
IDIOTS ... get it in ur head: BENEFIT FOR LIFE POLICY is the problem.

在伦敦,一个失业的本地人每个月可以通过住房和失业救济拿到大约1300英镑。
这相当于每年15600英镑,免税。
那么一名护理院工作人员的工资是多少呢???
没有本地人会愿意放弃福利去工作。
笨蛋...弄清楚:终身福利政策是问题所在。

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@mosharofhossain3693
I came as a skilled worker, left my job back home. When I have decided to come UK, there was a strong reason for getting an ILR in 5 years. Now the government cannot change this rule for me. This is Against humanity and you do not have the right to do it. Will you give me time that I have invested here back?

我作为一名技术工人来到这里,放弃了在家乡的工作。当我决定来到英国时,我有一个强烈的理由,那就是希望在五年内获得永久居留(ILR)。现在政府不能改变这个规则,这对人道主义来说是错误的,你们没有权利这么做。你们能把我在这里投入的时间还给我吗?
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@raonafees2354
Britain is the oldest and biggest terrorist country in the world. Britain occupied the subcontinent in 1757 under the pretext of trade. Its spy Lawrence of Arabia seduced the Arabs and led them to overthrow the Turkish Empire. In 1918, the British army occupied Turkey. In 1917, it occupied Palestine and settled the world's most stinking nation in Palestine. These stinking Jewish people were wandering around the world.

英国是世界上最古老、最大的恐怖主义国家。英国在1757年以贸易为名占领了次大陆。它的间谍劳伦斯诱使阿拉伯人推翻土耳其帝国。1918年,英国军队占领了土耳其。1917年,它占领了巴勒斯坦,并在巴勒斯坦安置了世界上最肮脏的民族。这些肮脏的犹太人一直在世界各地游荡。

@jrtstrategicapital560
if 1000 illegal migrants landed in Heathrow Airport....will they be returned home? i think so... so whats the difference between landing on a boat than an airplane? round them all up and return to France! Macron is laughing while Starmer is hugging him like a teddy bear....

如果1000名非法移民降落在希思罗机场……他们会被遣返回国吗?我想是的……那么,乘船到达和乘飞机有什么区别?把他们都抓起来,送回法国!马克龙在笑,而斯塔默却像抱着泰迪熊一样抱着他……

@MichaelAlexander-dy6qf
UK is now independent from EU territory just like Australian Canada USA is self governing but its attitude towards refugees should be corrected especially residence permits should be issue to refugees as soon as possible and citizenship should be given to those with good character

英国现在已经独立于欧盟领土,就像澳大利亚、加拿大、美国一样自我治理,但它对待难民的态度应该得到纠正,特别是应尽快为难民发放居留许可,且应向那些品行良好的人授予国籍。

@samuelpotts-m5j
I'm a British Citizen who married a Non-EU Citizen. Currently, my wife and I have to fork out a total of around £10k over 5 years to the government and she has no right to any free benefits, despite paying into the NHS in both lumps sums and in the usual payments (she's working) she gets as much or less help from the NHS as anyone else, nurses and doctors tend to assume she's sponging and treat her differently (they watch this kind of news). I'm convinced the government are utterly greedy and absolutely racist and they want to extend it to 10 years because they see how much money legal immigration is making them.

我是一名英国公民,娶了一位非欧盟公民。目前,我和我的妻子需要在五年内向政府支付大约10,000英镑,她没有任何免费的福利,尽管她已经为NHS支付了大额费用和常规缴费(她在工作)。她从NHS得到的帮助和其他人一样甚至更少,护士和医生往往假设她是依赖者,对待她的态度不同(他们关注这种新闻)。我相信政府完全是贪婪和种族主义的,他们想把这个期限延长到10年,因为他们看到了合法移民为他们带来了多少收入。

@djb20251
All for equality and diversity, just need to stop illegal migrant's going to country's and slow down migration rates and focus even more on sorting Britain's problem's more it's about getting priorities in order

我支持平等和多样性,只是需要停止非法移民进入国家,并放慢移民速度,集中精力解决英国的问题。更重要的是理清优先事项。

@WorldPeaceandLove
I will await what you do to grooming gangs of white British girls in Bradford, Rochdale. What you will do to the criminals ...if you protect them UK is watching over you!

我将等待你们如何处理布拉德福德、罗奇代尔的白人英国女孩的性侵团伙。如果你们保护这些罪犯,英国会关注你们的!

@WorldPeaceandLove
Your problem is not immigration. It is illegal immigration. You were hurt on your face but the band aid is on your shoulder. So these people from India who pay taxes, follow rules - you will now make it difficult for them. But those who come from Pakistan and in boats will continue to live in hotels on your tax money.

你们的问题不是移民,而是非法移民。你们脸部受伤了,但却把创可贴贴在肩膀上。那些来自印度、交税、遵守规则的人,现在你们要让他们更难过下去。但是那些从巴基斯坦来的、坐船过来的非法移民,仍然会继续住在你们的税款支付的酒店里。

@alis5893
Stop benefit for life policy. Limit jobless allowance to 9 months. Strict disability benefits.
98% of migrants wont bother comming.

停止终身福利政策。将失业津贴限制为9个月。严格的残疾福利。
98%的移民不会再来。

@retcon1991
My wife (American) has been working studiously towards her family visa for the last five years. She is a teacher and was due to get indefinite leave to remain next year. Is this getting kicked further down the road after we've put thousands into the system?

我的妻子(美国人)已经为她的家庭签证努力工作了五年。她是位老师,明年就可以获得无限期居留许可。现在这是否又被推迟了?我们已经向这个系统投入了数千英镑。

@travelgeeklive
Skill workers are not the problem. The problem is with asylum seekers who are not genuine. Who are utilizing the public funds . That's unfair. No debate. But skill workers should not be a problem as long as they prove that they properly integrate with the society. Restructure life in the uk test to test these people well

技术工人不是问题。问题在于那些不是真正寻求庇护的人。他们正在利用公共资金。这是不公平的。没有争议。但只要技术工人证明他们能与社会良好融合,就不应该成为问题。应该重新构建英国生活测试,以更好地评估这些人。

@DilbertWhitehead
This country is just a stuck record. I remember watching this being debated in news panels and question time 20 years ago. Time and time it has been voted against and all that happens is it increases

这个国家就是个死循环。我记得20年前在新闻讨论和问答节目中看到过这个问题的辩论。一次又一次被投票反对,结果只会让问题越来越严重。

@junosaxon4370
Suddenly Labour comes out with new policies after seeing local election results.

突然工党在看到地方选举结果后推出了新政策。

@chrisnieto5547
Interesting what a few council elections can do to Labour policy.

有趣的是,几场地方选举竟能改变工党的政策。

@tirednsleepy44
Farages first idea was for Brexit to control immigration. Now we’re toeing the line for ANOTHER of his bright immigration ideas. If we wanted Farages party we would’ve voted for Farages party.
Set up safe routes so that there is no longer the market for criminal gangs, by all means send failed applicants to the most appropriate places. I feel like it’s an island of strangers because the views of politicians are so devastatingly out of touch with the people they’re supposed to be representing. These policies belong in the 1930’s, along with the foul dehumanising rhetoric in public debate overall.

法拉奇最初的想法是通过脱欧来控制移民。现在我们又在遵循他另一个关于移民的“聪明”想法。如果我们想要法拉奇的党派,我们早就投票支持他了。
建立安全通道,消除犯罪团伙的市场,当然可以把失败的申请者送到最合适的地方。我觉得这是一个陌生人的岛屿,因为政治家的观点和他们应该代表的人民的观点完全脱节。这些政策应该属于20世纪30年代,和公共辩论中的恶心去人性化言辞一样。

@DeepSaam
After the end of World War II, most of the people, not the soldiers, in Nazi Germany said they did not know what was happening outside of Germany. This is relatively realistic. They did not have social media, mobile phones, the internet, or the speed with which to witness GENOCIDE like what is happening in Gaza today. Therefore, after the GENOCIDE in Gaza stops, no one in Israel has the right to claim that they do not know what happened in Gaza. This is because Zionism, to this day, punishes those who participated in the war in Germany.

第二次世界大战结束后,大多数纳粹德国的民众(不是士兵)表示他们并不知道德国以外发生的事情。这是相对现实的。因为他们没有社交媒体、手机、互联网,也没有像今天在加沙发生的种族灭绝那样迅速地看到消息。因此,在加沙的种族灭绝停止后,以色列的任何人都没有资格声称他们不知道加沙发生了什么。因为至今犹太复国主义惩罚那些参与过德国战争的人。

@nisansalakaru
I hope there will be recognition for those who contribute positively, rather than changing the rules to extract more money from skilled workers through visas and the IHS equally

我希望能够对那些做出积极贡献的人给予认可,而不是通过签证和国际健康附加费等方式改变规则,以从熟练工人那里榨取更多的钱。

@siddheshkirdat7748
So stop international care recruitment and blame the dodgy rogue employer, rather than catching them. Because next they are targeting the domestic workers.
That's better!

那么,停止国际护理招聘,指责那些不正当的雇主,而不是去抓他们。因为接下来他们会针对国内工人。那样更好!
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@Isclachau
This policy Starmer was talking about will increase immigration by a minimum , an absolute minimum of 500k +. As suspected it was all bs.

这个斯塔默谈论的政策将至少增加50万以上的移民,最低也要这么多。正如预期的那样,这完全是空话。

@Telipressclub
FACT: In 2019, approximately 36,612 Indian students were enrolled in UK institutions.
By 2023, this number had surged to 136,921, marking a 273.9% increase over four years .
In the 2022–23 academic year, Indian students became the largest group of non-EU international students in the UK, totaling 173,190 and accounting for over 26% of the non-EU international student body .

事实:2019年,大约有36,612名印度学生就读于英国的高等院校。到2023年,这一数字猛增至136,921人,四年内增长了273.9%。在2022-2023学年,印度学生成为英国非欧盟国际学生中最大的一群,总数为173,190人,占非欧盟国际学生总数的26%以上。

@antarcticknight
The problem is not pointing out we are becoming a land of strangers, the problem is; its true.

问题不在于指出我们正在成为一个陌生人的国度,问题是;这是真的。

@jimzenglish1
Instead of punishing people trying to take a legal path to enter the country they should be focusing on reducing the illegal migrants jumping on a boat looking for cheat that system.

与其惩罚那些试图通过合法途径进入英国的人,不如集中精力减少那些非法移民,他们坐船进入,试图利用这个系统。

@angelawilson7215
Whilst our own are nor securing speciality training contracts! Disgusting. We are not investing in our own.

而我们自己的医生却没有确保获得专业培训合同!太可恶了。我们没有投资我们自己的人。

@Carole-p4b
It is difficult to go anywhere today without having the feeling that Britain is now an occupied territory.

今天几乎无论走到哪里,都有一种感觉,英国现在已经是一个被占领的领土。

@jeannehunter5344
Where there is a will, there is a way, which is one lesson Trump is teaching world leaders. There are many high quality foreigners who would love to work in the UK legally and share their expertise. The UK is losing in many ways, allowing opportunistic riffraff to overrun the country. Your tolerance and bunny hugging are costing you dearly.

有志者事竟成,这是特朗普在教世界领导人的一课。有许多高质量的外国人愿意合法地在英国工作并分享他们的专业知识。英国在许多方面都在失去,任由机会主义的低劣分子泛滥成灾。你们的宽容和过于善良正在让你们付出沉重代价。

@fromnarasimha
Does this affect on the people who is already leaving in the UK . In my case, I am on Skill Worker visa in IT and waiting for 2 more years to apply ILR ?

这是否会影响到已经在英国居住的人?就我而言,我持有IT领域的技术工人签证,还需要等待两年才能申请ILR(永久居留)?

@lucyefomovlogs6383
My friend said This Home Secretary is doing well. She said The cos care workers visas has taken all the care jobs . And they are buying all houses. In uk causing house shortages for the natives , and strain on government to continue building . She also said There is no more shifts to book I. Her place of work Taken by care visas . . And she said they speak their languages at work so much . Confusing patients .

我朋友说,这位内政大臣做得很好。她说护理工作签证占据了所有护理职位,他们买下了所有的房子,导致本地人面临住房短缺,政府也很难继续建设新房。她还说,她工作的地方没有空余班次了,都是护理签证的人占了。她还说他们在工作时说自己的语言,搞得病人很困惑。

@gabrielg490
UK is already lost. You guys let so many in such a short amount of time. You did it to yourselves. It's practically Pakistani #2

英国已经完了。你们在这么短的时间内让这么多人进入,你们自己搞砸了。简直成了第二个巴基斯坦。

@josephhoward3558
No, but immigration can bring down the government.

不是,但移民可能会推翻政府。

@matrix_wizard6932
Maybe she needs to look at g4s who are known for recruiting immigrants and who the government gave the contract to for all the job centres throughout the country with each job centre having around 8 guards multiply that by how many job centres there are and that's a lot of taxpayers money which could be spent dealing with real world issues.

也许她需要看看G4S公司,他们以招聘移民而闻名,而且政府将全国所有就业中心的合同交给了他们,每个就业中心大约有8名保安,乘以就业中心的数量,这就花费了大量纳税人的钱,本可以用来解决现实世界的问题。

@johnrussell3961
Where is the local supply. Our children are over qualified for the jobs and have no aspiration to do them..

当地的供应在哪里?我们的孩子们对这些工作过于资质优秀,并且没有做这些工作的志向。

@patrickclosefitness
I think Rishi Sunak and the Conservatives could have gained alot of support by reducing immigration. But it would negatively affect the economy too much

我认为Rishi Sunak和保守党本可以通过减少移民获得很多支持,但这样会对经济造成太大负面影响。

@gvnmrk
I thought by not having a TV licence I could legitimately exclude myself from this.

我以为不缴电视许可费就可以合法地把自己排除在外。

@RoshiniR-r16
There is nothing going to happen until they stop the boats

直到他们停止偷渡,什么都不会发生。

@DaleBrown-s8m
Very simple. Total secured tented areas. NO BENEFITS, NO LEAVING THE SECURE AREA, and classed by law as illegal. They’ll leave and more importantly more will not come!

非常简单。完全封闭的帐篷区域。没有福利,没有离开安全区域的权限,并且根据法律视为非法。这样他们就会离开,更重要的是,更多人不会再来!

@priyad6506
So the main issue of UK was “illegal” immigration and load on Uk to support these illegal migrants by providing them free accommodation and services which is taken from tax payers money.
To tackle that, the govt has put restrictions on “legal” migrants who were contributing to the Uk economy and major tax payers..
which means by cutting them off, the load of paying for freeloaders like illegal migrants will be uk citizens solely.
This govt to show it’s doing something is targeting soft targets like student visa, pr etc without tackling the actual issue of illegal migrabts.
Hope the UK citizens are clever enough to understand this. And don’t fall for these stupid restrictions on “legal” migrates who are actually contributing to economy .

英国的主要问题是“非法”移民,以及支持这些非法移民的负担,提供免费的住宿和服务,这些都是从纳税人的钱中拿出来的。 为了应对这一问题,政府对“合法”移民实施了限制,而这些合法移民一直在为英国经济做出贡献,是主要的纳税人…… 这意味着通过切断这些合法移民,支付非法移民这种“寄生者”的负担将完全由英国公民承担。 这届政府为了显示它正在采取行动,正在针对软目标,比如学生签证、永久居留等,而没有真正解决非法移民问题。 希望英国公民足够聪明,理解这一点,不要被这些对“合法”移民的愚蠢限制所迷惑,而这些合法移民实际上在为经济做贡献。

@chizobaani4037
I wish African countries could also make policies to stop UK from exploiting and stealing their resources.
Please also make policies to stop our politicians from stashing our stolen monies in UK banks. Stop turning blind eyes to them. No double standard

我希望非洲国家也能制定政策,阻止英国剥削和窃取他们的资源。
同时,也请制定政策,阻止我们的政治家把偷来的钱藏在英国银行里。不要对这些视而不见。不要双重标准。

@knockedoutloaded
If all the measures in this document were adopted and enforced it would bring immigration down to 650,000 per year. What a joke

如果文件中的所有措施都被采纳并执行,每年的移民人数将降到65万。真是个笑话。

@rayromych5534
And dont forget - every visa application is 4-5 k, thats after that amount has already been played twice. So if my wife is on spouse visa we have to keep paying just to stay together. Thats in addition to inflation and increased interest rate. Thats how they "care" about families

别忘了——每个签证申请要花4-5千,这还是在那笔钱已经支付了两次之后。如果我的妻子持配偶签证,我们必须不断支付才能待在一起。除此之外,还有通货膨胀和利率上升。这就是他们所谓的“关心”家庭。

@crystalheart1186
What’s changed his mind? Why wasn’t his mind changed with all the murders, attacks? He won’t sort out the problem. If he’s serious about this, why won’t he say he made a mistake? Why won’t he say that it was their fault for letting violent criminals in, who went on to kill and injure people? Why are people still arrested who was trying to alarm people of the threats? I I. Glad they are taking it more seriously, but in all honesty they lost all the trust a long time ago.

是什么改变了他的想法?为什么他没有在所有的谋杀、袭击之后改变想法?他不会解决问题。如果他真心想解决,为什么不说他错了?为什么不承认是他们放任了暴力犯罪分子,让他们进入,最终造成了杀害和伤害?为什么那些试图提醒人们威胁的人仍然被逮捕?我很高兴他们更加重视这件事,但老实说,他们早就失去了所有的信任。

@TahaQureshi-p8k
the Nigerian population in the UK has increased significantly. The Office for National Statistics data shows that the number of people born in Nigeria who were usual residents in England and Wales increased from 191,183 in 2011 to 270,768 in 2021. This represents an increase of 41.4% over a decade.

在英国,尼日利亚人口显著增加。英国国家统计局的数据表明,2011年出生在尼日利亚的常住居民人数从191,183人增加到2021年的270,768人,增加了41.4%。

@Beraka09
Have you calculated the amount of money legal immigrants pay in health fees, visa applications and tuition fees? Billions in pounds have been contributed to U.K. economy

你有没有算过合法移民在医疗费用、签证申请费和学费上的支出?数十亿英镑已经贡献给了英国经济。

@samanehjafari1988
I have come as a nurse working in the NHS in February 2023 and I have been working very hard, paying rent, paying taxes and contributing to society and NHS. It is so unfair that ILR now has been extended to 10 years. I think The government should respect legal immigrants who come with skills, language proficiency and degrees and also work hard to serve the country.

我于2023年2月作为一名护士来到英国NHS工作,我一直非常努力地工作,支付租金,缴纳税款,为社会和NHS做出贡献。现在永居的期限被延长到10年,真是太不公平了。我认为政府应该尊重那些拥有技能、语言能力和学位的合法移民,他们也在为国家努力工作,服务社会。

@richardstringer93
The official figure of how many migrants are here on benefits in the UK politicians admitted to is 1,000,000 migrants on benefits in the UK. Every one of them gets a standard Universal Credit payment of £98 per week and that means £98million is being spent every day on migrants benefit money. That amounts to £35.7 billion per year. That doesn't take into account housing benefit too, if a quarter of them are getting housing benefit too that's a further £2.281 billion per year. So legal migrants living in the UK on benefits are costing a MINIMUM of £37.981 billion per year of taxpayer money to pay all their benefit money. That doesn't even take into account any migrants getting disability benefits or child benefit so mass migration cannot continue forever like politicians seemingly have shown us they want it to be.

根据官方数据,英国有100万人是移民,并且领取福利。每一个人都能领取每周98英镑的统一信用金,这意味着每天有9800万英镑用于移民福利。这一年总共花费357亿英镑。如果其中四分之一的人还在领取住房福利,那又会增加22.81亿英镑。所以,合法移民在英国领取福利的最低费用为379.81亿英镑,这还不包括领取残疾福利或儿童福利的移民。所以,移民人数不能无限制增加,像政治家们似乎希望的那样。

@uranusgroup6010
Dear PM if you looking workers inside the UK it is possible when you start benifit cut down, Romanians, polish, punjabi, pakistanis this most of them take universal credit, and fake disables recheck, make sure give them jobs then cut down universal credit, we have to remamaber Venezuela what happen now pepole un skilled becouse of there past mistake everything free.

亲爱的首相,如果你想在英国找到工人,可能需要开始削减福利,很多罗马尼亚人、波兰人、旁遮普人和巴基斯坦人都在领取统一信用金,还有一些虚假的残疾人需要重新审核。确保他们能找到工作,然后减少福利发放。我们要记住委内瑞拉的情况,那里因为过去的错误,人民大多没有技能,一切都是免费的。

@jrtstrategicapital560
President Trump just signed an Executive order today transferring funds away from our illegal immigrants to our homeless veterans...a true leader would take care of his people first!

特朗普总统今天签署了一项行政命令,将资金从非法移民那里转移到无家可归的退伍军人身上……一位真正的领导者会首先照顾好自己的人民!

@roastdchestnuts
End favourtism in working environment will do more good on bringing back the British culture than further playing culture task.
I was a Chinese girl in UK. I know what British guys of all ages can be like and getting by but still have more advantage than me who did nothing but workingby integrity and honesty.

结束工作环境中的偏袒行为,比进一步推动文化任务更能促进恢复英国文化。我曾是一个在英国的中国女孩,我知道英国各个年龄段的人可能是什么样子,而我凭借诚信和诚实工作,却仍然不如他们有更多优势。

@kevinperry2865
Not until a government says and acts on the premise of 'no'
So many people confuse the contribution of migrants to the mess we are in of just having a free-for-all for decades without a plan. Both are true, but only one needs urgent addressing.

除非政府明确表示并采取“否定”的立场。许多人混淆了移民对我们所面临困境的贡献,几十年来没有计划地放任自由,结果弄得一团糟。两者都成立,但只有一个需要紧急处理。

@KamolBess-xc2vk
Numbers quadroupled mainly because of taking people from Ukraine and Hong Kong which skewed the overall numbers massively.

人数字量激增主要是因为接纳了来自乌克兰和香港(特区)的人,这大大扭曲了整体数字。

@Mhfksvbnjf
I’m from Scunthorpe ,so I decided to try carework job ,get training for two weeks but I finished earlier because I basically speak English and pass the test ,but when I tried to find job I have been ignored or told that “MAN is not required “so I’m man not religious ,absolutely no any issues with police or any where ,have car and have second job what I was going to leave if I would like care work ,and in same time my sister always says that in care work they very need people and they suffer because it’s very busy

我来自斯坎索普,所以我决定尝试做护理工作,接受了两周的培训,但因为我基本上能说英语并通过了测试,我提前完成了培训。但是当我尝试找工作时,我被忽视或被告知“男工不需要”。我是男人,不信教,绝对没有任何警察记录或其他问题,有车,也有第二份工作,我本来打算放弃它来做护理工作。同时,我的妹妹总是说,在护理工作中,他们非常需要人,因为工作量很大。

@SusanRice-p1s
I am not afraid of the government and do agree about them going with the USA they it's going to big trouble in this country that's why lot of my friends and family have left this country for a better life style and other things for their familys and kids they it's nothing left in this country anymore l have told my grandkids too leave this country for a better life somewhere else

我不害怕政府,并且同意他们与美国合作的决定,这样会让这个国家陷入大麻烦,这也是为什么很多我的朋友和家人都离开了这个国家,去寻找更好的生活和其他机会,为了他们的家庭和孩子们。这个国家现在已经没有什么值得留恋的了,我也告诉我的孙子们,离开这个国家,去其他地方寻求更好的生活。

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