中国在肯尼亚投资50亿美元修建的铁路改变了东非
正文翻译
How China built Kenya’s $5B railway in just 3 years — and how it changed East Africa’s trade, travel, and economy.
中国如何在短短 3 年内建成肯尼亚价值 50 亿美元的铁路——以及它如何改变了东非的贸易、旅游和经济。
How China built Kenya’s $5B railway in just 3 years — and how it changed East Africa’s trade, travel, and economy.
中国如何在短短 3 年内建成肯尼亚价值 50 亿美元的铁路——以及它如何改变了东非的贸易、旅游和经济。
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@mission9195
This ‘debate’ is moronic. Railways are essential infrastructure. They need to be built. It was a wise decision.
这场“辩论”蠢得离谱。铁路是关键基础设施，必须建设。当初的决定是明智的。
@AbuSayed-ct9od
Love to Kenya from Bangladesh
来自孟加拉国的爱送给肯尼亚。
@Sinoopp-x6t
BBC：But what cost?!
BBC：可代价是什么？！
@nairobigraffix3288
very high
非常高。
@curiouspeople6441
Independent from the white man
不再依赖白人、要独立。
@wengoenlie731
At low cost
低成本。
@belincentgidke4536
The US might drop bombs on it out of spite.
美国可能会出于报复心理去轰炸它。
@Zerpentsa6598
Yeah! Slave labour! Billions of elephants killed.
对啊！NU工！还杀了几十亿头大象。
@winstonw2297
" Jealously amount neighbor "
“嫉妒的邻居”（语句不通，大意应是：邻国的嫉妒）。
@KLeeN-hp7yh
This would be a good project if it reached the targeted destination, Malaba. Unfortunately it ended in the middle of nowhere and there is no funding to complete it.
This project will further lose relevance as Uganda plans to now connect to TZ SGR line.
Northern corridor, as a viable option, has many players, hence stiff competition.
The only remaining viable option is to connect with TZ SGR network, after electrifying KE SGR, so that it can have a share of the market (DRC, Burundi, Rwanda etc.)
如果这条线能通到既定目的地马拉巴（Malaba），那会是个好项目。可惜它修到“荒郊野外”就停了，也没有资金把它完工。
而且随着乌干达计划接入坦桑尼亚的标轨铁路（TZ SGR），这个项目的意义会进一步下降。
北部走廊作为一个可行选择，参与方很多，竞争非常激烈。
剩下真正可行的路子，是先把肯尼亚标轨铁路（KE SGR）电气化，再接入坦桑尼亚标轨铁路网络，才能分到刚果（金）、布隆迪、卢旺达等市场。
@corvusglaive5769
You people like to bring up these arguments when China is involved, but the West never really showed any willingness to actually invest in any project that would spur growth on the continent. The concept for that Railway was created decades ago, but none of Kenya's so-called Western allies were willing to invest in it. Even now, the so-called Nairobi-Mombasa expressway is supposed to be funded and built by an American company, but they are hesitating and seem unwilling to take the risk. From the way things are going, the project will end up with a Chinese contractor.
一涉及中国你们就爱拿这些说法出来，可西方从来没真正愿意在非洲投能带动增长的项目。这条铁路的构想几十年前就有了，但肯尼亚那些所谓的西方盟友没有一个愿意投。
就连现在号称要由美国公司出资建设的内罗毕—蒙巴萨快速路，他们也在犹豫，像是不愿意承担风险。照这趋势看，最后还是会落到中国承包商手里。
@corvusglaive5769
@KLeeN-hp7yh@KLeeN-hp7yh, are you talking about the same SGR that is getting swept by floods? In addition, the Kenyan SGR is very different from the Tanzanian SGR because the former is mainly designed for cargo, while the Tanzanian SGR is designed for freight. In addition, the landscape in Kenya is completely different from that of Tanzania, which mainly runs on a flat surface. At this point, you are just talking out of Suluhu's ass because Uganda lixing their SGR to TZ doesn't mean they have abandoned their initial plans. It is called diversifying the risk. They just don't want to rely on a single route, and that makes sense.
你说的是那条被洪水冲刷的标轨铁路（SGR）吗？另外，肯尼亚的标轨铁路和坦桑尼亚的标轨铁路很不一样：前者主要按货运（cargo）设计，后者按货物运输（freight）设计。再说肯尼亚的地形也和坦桑尼亚完全不同，坦桑尼亚那边很多线路是在相对平坦的地面上。
你现在这些话就是在替苏卢胡（Suluhu）胡扯；乌干达把本国标轨铁路接入坦桑尼亚线路，不代表他们放弃了原来的计划，这叫分散风险。他们只是不想只依赖一条线路，这很合理。
@KLeeN-hp7yh
@corvusglaive5769 I'm talking about the SGR that has never been swept by floods! Recently, the authorities stopped it temporarily to allow corrective and preventive maintenance following the heavy rains.
TZ SGR is modern, has a higher axle load capacity(35Tons vs KE's 25Tons), is faster with much lower operating and maintenance costs (electric).
It is designed primarily to haul cargo/freight from the port(s) to the land locked countries. While KE is still dilly dallying Tanzania is busy constructing the extension from Uvinza, Tanzania to Musongati, Burundi and plans are being finalized to extend it to Manyema in the DRC, Rwanda, Uganda and beyond.
Tanzania is a lot bigger than Kenya, with diverse landscapes. You should have learned this in school. The SGR passes through mountains, valleys, flood plains etc., hence the bridges and viaducts, both underground/tunnels and elevated.
TZ SGR is superior to KE's in all aspects and visibly Tanzania is very intentional in its projects.
Let's give credit when & where it is due!
我说的是那条从没被洪水冲毁的标轨铁路！最近只是因为暴雨，主管部门临时停运，做纠正性和预防性维护。
坦桑尼亚标轨铁路（TZ SGR）更现代，轴载更高（35 吨 vs 肯尼亚 25 吨），速度更快，而且因为电气化运营维护成本更低。
它主要用于把港口的货物运往内陆国家。肯尼亚还在拖拖拉拉，坦桑尼亚已经忙着修从乌温扎（Uvinza）到布隆迪穆松加蒂（Musongati）的延伸段，并且正在敲定延伸到刚果（金）马涅马（Manyema）、卢旺达、乌干达等地的计划。
坦桑尼亚比肯尼亚大得多，地形也更丰富，你上学时就该学过。标轨铁路会穿越山地、峡谷、洪泛平原等，所以才有桥梁和高架，也有地下隧道和高架结构。
坦桑尼亚的标轨铁路在各方面都比肯尼亚的更强，而且看得出坦桑尼亚做项目很有目标性。
该给的认可就应该给！
@guangxidavidliu
Kenya STOPPED paying the loan and interest BACK. And China still provide tech support this railway. It is a disaster.
肯尼亚已经停止偿还贷款本息了，但中国还在为这条铁路提供技术支持。这就是一场灾难。
@rednihb
Not BBC, the Kenyans themselves as utilisation hasn’t caught up to projections, government has to service the debt as the operations aren’t generating enough revenue
不是 BBC 这么说的，是肯尼亚人自己这么认为：因为使用率没达到预期，运营收入不够还债，所以政府只能替它偿付债务。
@eldentiangha
@guangxidavidliubecause kenyas head is stuck in trump's ass
因为肯尼亚领导人脑子被特朗普“塞住了”（粗俗说法，意指：对特朗普言听计从）。
@t.h.7481
@rednihb do you have any logical rebuttals to the points they made or are you just here to say "haha China bad"
你对他们提的观点有逻辑反驳吗？还是你只会在这儿说“哈哈 中国坏”？
@wengoenlie731
460.000 children report missing maybe killed or eaten in one year in the USa. Btw the cost of this railway is higher because of the long bridges built for the elephants so they can going around freely
美国一年有 46 万名儿童报失踪，可能被杀或被吃掉。顺便说，这条铁路更贵是因为修了很长的桥给大象通行，让它们能自由穿行。
@Sinoopp-x6t
@rednihb Development demands a price; without it, eternal Western colonization awaits.
发展必然要付出代价；不付出，就只能永远被西方殖民。
@rednihb
@Sinoopp-x6t That applies to only developments which are of actual use and make a difference to the people, not to projects that don’t really deliver
这只适用于真正有用、能改善民生的发展项目，不适用于那些并没有真正带来效果的工程。
@MDSR17455
Honestly it's not China fault but the country that request the loan. They didn't think it thru went they took the loan and hence when they can't make payment. It's the same as what banks do when you can't pay your house, they take it to recoup their losses
说实话这不是中国的错，而是借款国自己的问题。他们贷款时没想清楚，结果还不起。就像你房贷还不上，银行会收走房子来弥补损失一样。
@haodeng9639
BBC already lose the funding from US, lol
BBC 已经失去美国的资助了，笑死。
@daishi74
Could anyone else build faster and better?
还有谁能建得更快、更好吗？
@Vf1sgundam
@belincentgidke4536Eventually.
迟早会的。
@Navanuakiki
China's our best partner
中国是我们最好的伙伴。
@D4RK_L0RD_K3N
Out of the big players China definitely the most reasonable right now.
在这些大玩家里，中国现在绝对是最讲道理的。
@arandomyoutubechannel2940
Long live China!
中国万岁！
@fdama
You're still begging America
你们还在向美国乞求。
@technicalgamerz2440
Happy debt trap brother
Z务X阱快乐啊，兄弟。
@giovannifinievoli8825
@D4RK_L0RD_K3N is this a joke?
这是在开玩笑吗？
@D4RK_L0RD_K3N
@giovannifinievoli8825 Compared to the U.S and Russia, yeah, China is definitely the most reasonable right now.
和美国、俄罗斯相比，是的，中国现在确实最讲道理。
@tideypods4808
Kenya is a lifeline for countries like South Sudan. South Sudan is super dependant on Sudan which is really bad especially since they are at war. Railways and Oil pipelines through Kenya are the only solution
肯尼亚对南苏丹这类国家来说是生命线。南苏丹非常依赖苏丹，这很糟，尤其两边还在打仗。通过肯尼亚修铁路和输油管道是唯一的解决方案。
@guillermoelenes7252
South Sudan is not a real country
南苏丹不算真正的国家。
@tideypods4808
@guillermoelenes7252 why
为什么？
@kazaddum2448
@guillermoelenes7252 Dunno, it declared indepedence and is widely recongnized as independent country by other countries.
不知道啊，它都宣布独立了，而且也被很多国家承认为独立国家。
@dusan19377
It is a young and least developed yet but it's been recognized and it became part of unated nations.
它确实年轻、也很不发达，但已经被承认了，并且成为联合国成员国。
@tealsquare
Kenya is not the only solution and this hubris has seen Tanzania now surpass Kenya as the biggest exporter to Uganda which is basically the distribution hub of the region. Kenya's SGR began before Tanzania's, but they have built it to the shores of Lake Victoria already and have built ports together with Uganda to facilitate trade there. Kenya meanwhile has failed to extend it's SGR to this day.
肯尼亚并不是唯一的出路。正是这种自负，才让坦桑尼亚如今超过肯尼亚，成了对乌干达（基本是该地区的分销枢纽）最大的出口国。肯尼亚的标轨铁路（SGR）比坦桑尼亚更早开工，但坦桑尼亚已经把铁路修到维多利亚湖岸边，还和乌干达一起建了港口来促进那里的贸易；反观肯尼亚，到现在都没把标轨铁路延伸下去。
@amandagrant4331
When Chinese came to Africa, they talked about trade.
When US people came to Africa, they talked about China.
当中国人来到非洲时，他们谈论的是贸易。
当美国人来到非洲时，他们谈论的是中国。
@Cibias
Wait until the debt cannot be serviced!
等到债务无法偿还时再说吧！
@never4ever386
China trades, the US invades.
中国进行贸易，美国进行侵略。
@Miheil1
@Cibias China has always restructured or forgiven debts, the West only gives lectures and hypocritical comments.
中国一直在重组或免除债务，西方只是讲道理和虚伪的评论。
@taytk8005
@Cibias
You Are Just Another Victim Of The CIA & M15 Anti China & Anti Chinese Fear Propaganda etc.
Feel Sorry For Your Inability To Read & Avail Yourself To True & Factual News Of Africa & Asia & Your Reliance On Fake Propaganda From Australia & UK & The USA & Israel As Your Unreliable Source Of Information
你只是中情局和M15反中国、反中国人恐惧宣传的另一个受害者等。
为你无法阅读和获取真实、准确的非洲和亚洲新闻感到遗憾，你依赖澳大利亚、英国、美国和以色列的不可靠宣传作为信息来源。
@tomshingle608
@Cibiasand it better than bombs and lectures, the imf and world bank are what not debt traps.
这总比炸弹和讲座好，国际货币基金组织和世界银行并不是债务陷阱。
@kazaddum2448
@Cibias Several times this already happened. China then restructures the loans. Literally no asset seizure by the PRC, ever.
这种情况已经发生过几次了。中国随后重组贷款。中华人民共和国从未实际扣押过资产。
@constitution1550
China makes 90 deals in 90 days while the US makes 90 threats in 90 days.
中国在90天内达成90项交易，而美国在90天内发出90次威胁。
@Kch-ju6pf
@Cibias You mean debt to the IMF......moron.
你是说欠国际货币基金组织的债务......笨蛋。
@awancah7309
and bomb your land if not they will take your raw resouces with tiny money.
如果不这样，他们就会炸毁你的土地，否则他们将以微薄的价格夺走你的原材料。
@dicktracy5234
Who owns the train?
谁拥有这列火车？
@atul3009
@kazaddum2448Pakistan have already sold their airports to Chinese, sri lanka went bankrupt, do you want more
巴基斯坦已经把他们的机场卖给了中国，斯里兰卡破产了，你还想要更多吗？
@biocapsule7311
The US don't think they need to 'invest' in Africa because they think they can simply regime change to get whatever they want.
美国认为他们不需要“投资”非洲，因为他们认为只需进行政权更替就能得到他们想要的一切。
@sillyfunnyq
@spadeysay6846
No surprises that the West are the greatest critics of developments, not just in Africa but everywhere else as well. And in particular when the projects are undertaken and financed by China. There is no secret that the West wants those projects not to happen so that those previous western colonies will remain backward and poor.
西方是发展项目的最大批评者，这一点并不奇怪，不仅仅是非洲，其他地方也是如此。尤其是当这些项目由中国承担和融资时。西方希望这些项目不发生，这样那些以前的西方殖民地就会继续落后贫穷，这一点并不是什么秘密。
@mrpokefan8369
You're wrong. When the financial calculations show that the project is viable the "West" is more than eager to fund projects. The problem for this particulat one is not only presumed corruption, but that previous studies done by European Consultants showed that the return on investment is not sufficient to fund the project. In other words, the railway is not able to collect sufficient money to pay for operation, maintenance and - at least - parts of the loan. This was dismissed by China doing an extremely positive feasibility study overexagerating potential benefits to show that is is viable. And Kenyan Authorities were more than happy to accept these figures, as it mean that the project will be funded and they can have their personal return. There are already videos on YouTube speaking about issues in revenue collection.
Will the railway work? Definitely. It might take more time than anticipated to repay the loan by Kenya.
你错了。当财务计算表明项目是可行的时，西方更愿意资助这些项目。这个项目的问题不仅仅是假设的腐败问题，而且之前由欧洲顾问进行的研究表明，投资回报不足以资助项目。换句话说，铁路无法收回足够的资金来支付运营、维护，至少是部分贷款。
中国做了一项非常积极的可行性研究，夸大了潜在利益，显示出这个项目是可行的。肯尼亚当局非常高兴接受这些数据，因为这意味着项目将得到资助，他们可以获得个人回报。YouTube上已经有视频讨论收入收集的问题。
铁路会成功吗？肯定会。可能需要比预期更长的时间来偿还贷款。
@Cibias
Complete bollocks!
完全胡说八道！
@greedyinvader9462
@mrpokefan8369how stupid you are , infrastructures is tools to support broader economy , without infrastructures country economy will never grow , why your country build the road ? Moron
你真愚蠢，基础设施是支持更广泛经济的工具，没了基础设施国家的经济根本无法发展，你们国家为什么要修路？傻瓜
@vegamoonlight
@cia5649 Meanwhile, your Western leaders love to eat you and your kids.
同时，你们西方的领导人喜欢吃掉你们和你们的孩子。
@vegamoonlight
@mrpokefan8369 compare it to the California HSR project. LMao
把它和加州高铁项目比较一下。笑死我了
@D4RK_L0RD_K3N
@mrpokefan8369 This is exactly why we (the West) are losing to China: Your back-ass attitudes.
这正是我们（西方）输给中国的原因：你们的落后态度。
@corvusglaive5769
@mrpokefan8369, but anyone who knows anything about public projects will tell you that their return and potential contribution to the economy cannot be solely judged based on the profit they generate. For example, Amtrak has almost never generated profit since its inception, but you cannot say that it was a bad investment. The same can be said about the New York subway, which also operates at a significant loss. Judging such projects solely on their profit generation is entirely missing the big picture.
但任何了解公共项目的人都会告诉你，项目的回报和对经济的潜在贡献不能仅仅通过它们产生的利润来判断。例如，Amtrak自成立以来几乎从未盈利，但你不能说它是一个坏投资。同样，纽约地铁也在大幅亏损下运营。仅仅通过利润来判断这些项目完全忽视了大局。
@kazaddum2448
@cia5649 Thinking the PRC is a dictatorship, what being a moron does to you.
认为中国是DC郑泉，笨蛋的思维会让你这样。
@wj2888d
@mrpokefan8369 LOL, wrong! You're so clueless. The ridership of that route is already 2.5x higher than the target. And if you know anything about economics, the entire purpose for railways like this is to increase productivity efficiency, which brings much larger economic value than making a few bucks off selling train tickets. Such a typical western mindset. Stop pretending to look like care about Kenyan people's debt issue so deeply, as if they are not capable of making their own decision. From what I can see, you're the most clueless person here
哈哈，错了！你真是毫无头绪。该线路的客运量已经是目标的2.5倍。如果你了解一些经济学，像这样的铁路的整体目的是提高生产效率，这带来的经济价值远大于通过售卖车票赚一点钱。
这是典型的西方思维方式。别再假装关心肯尼亚人民的债务问题了，仿佛他们不能自己做决定。从我看，最无知的人是你。
@snes-mode7
@mrpokefan8369 you have no idea az well because the west stops itself in liberal economist and nothing else. Their predictions China will fail have at least 40 years. They have been wrong for forever and now their austerity world is crumbling.
Good luck on your decline with your failed economic models.
你也没有任何了解，因为西方只停留在自由经济学者的思维里，别无他法。他们预测中国会失败已经有40年了。一直错到现在，他们的紧缩经济模式正在崩塌。
祝你在经济模式失败下继续衰退，祝好运。
@bgrod3205
@mrpokefan8369 Yeah sounds good....but China is taking over the future and seems to be bringing along a lot of former western occupied people with them. They say that a lot of African nations are falling into debt with China.....I think they'll take that debt on instead of going back to the old west ways...crazy to say
是的，听起来不错……但中国正在接管未来，似乎还带动了许多曾被西方占领的人。他们说很多非洲国家正在陷入中国的债务……我认为他们会接受这笔债务，而不是回到老西方的方式……说出来可能很疯狂。
@glennjensen3313
So nice China Peace Love..
真好，中国，和平，爱。
@myheyang
Westerners often try to convey the idea that a business must be profitable; losses and difficulties in repaying debts are unacceptable.
However, the Chinese think differently. From building the Great Wall and Qin Dynasty roads before 2000 years ago to constructing high-speed railways and highways today (these large-scale projects have all resulted in losses), the Chinese have their own unique way of calculating economics.
西方人常常试图传达一个观念，认为一个企业必须盈利；亏损和偿还债务的困难是不可接受的。
然而，中国人的想法不同。从两千年前修建长城和秦朝道路，到今天修建高速铁路和公路（这些大规模的项目都造成了亏损），中国人有自己独特的经济计算方式。
@karlscher5170
Not westerners. Only Angloids/Jews.
不是西方人，只有盎格鲁人/犹太人。
@grovert4life
depends on the "westerner" i hate that word! Its like saying "Africans" are just....
这取决于“西方人”指的是谁，我讨厌这个词！就像说“非洲人”一样......
@karlscher5170
Only Anglo libertarians
只有盎格鲁自由主义者
@proudwuMao7280
China builds but USA destroys
中国建设，但美国摧毁
@digiturwa
Tagging Venezuela, Cuba, etc
委内瑞拉、古巴等
@never4ever386
The U.S. bombs and kidnaps presidents.
美国轰炸并绑架总统。
@Kosmokramer2
And Israel destroys
以色列摧毁
@digiturwa
@człowiekwrękawiczcezPE Yeah, but the U.S is looking for a bullshit reason to collapse Iran after Venezuela, it has ICE, a racist president, fascist govt, rogue cops and a discriminatory justice system, at this point they can't be the good guys, China and everywhere else is more agreeable at this point
但美国在委内瑞拉之后正找借口摧毁伊朗，它有移民执法局（ICE），一个种族主义总统，法西斯政府，流氓警察和歧视性的司法体系，在这个时刻他们无法被视为“好人”，中国和其他地方更为可接受。
@nursgrata2865
afaik it sells drones to Rus and Ukraine, which kill and destroy, and if war ends offers construction
据我所知，它向俄罗斯和乌克兰出售无人机，这些无人机杀戮和摧毁，如果战争结束，还会提供建设帮助。
@johncane2304
China do business,but it has always do oftenly with under the table
中国做生意，但总是做一些不透明的交易
@Daivd1111
Next is high speed rail, that would take that 4 hour trip to 1.5 hour.
接下来是高铁，它能将4小时的行程缩短到1.5小时。
@Crackingcracker779
Next is double tracking
接下来是双轨建设
@philippecr
Efficiency is why they could build so fast. Infrastructures always took a long time to have a return because of high initial cost, but it's never a bad investment
效率是他们能这么快建设的原因。基础设施通常由于高昂的初期成本需要很长时间才能带来回报，但它永远不是一个坏投资。
@Onelove-k8g
There is New Line in construction from Daressalam to Burundi; could cover it
从达累斯萨拉姆到布隆迪的新线路正在建设中；可以涵盖这个项目。
@seese9456
China has the most reliable megastructure engineers and builders in the world - no other country has built their amount of infrastructure in short timespans and at large scales
中国拥有世界上最可靠的大型基础设施工程师和建筑师——没有其他国家能在短时间内、大规模地建设如此多的基础设施。
@HackedToaster
BBC:"Africa is finally out of poverty, but at what cost"
BBC：“非洲终于脱贫了，但付出了什么代价？”
@王岳飞-l4v7f
Westerners are unwilling to acknowledge the fact that China is gradually leading the world. China has been constantly trying and making mistakes, and has been criticized all the way. They still continue to work hard and persist. It is suggested that they first watch the recently popular TV drama "Taiping Nian" in China. If they cannot understand China a thousand years ago, they should not talk nonsense anymore. Although the TV drama has questionable discussions, it is also based on the evolution of real history
西方人不愿意承认中国正逐渐引领世界的事实。中国一直在不断尝试并犯错，一直受到批评。尽管如此，他们仍然继续努力并坚持下去。建议他们先看一看最近在中国流行的电视剧《太平年》。
如果他们无法理解一千年前的中国，那就不应该再胡说八道了。尽管这部电视剧有争议的讨论，但它也是基于真实历史的演变。
@NikolaosMiloussis
this video is well made! could you do please do a video about the lobito corridor? its a very long railway beginning in angola, european and us made(probably) in germany they arent talking about it. its the first project under the european gateway initiative (the competition to Chinas BRI/new silkroad) and they seam very proud of what happend. this would be awesome, thanks in advance.also there is little info about it.
这视频做得很好！你能做一个关于洛比托走廊的视频吗？它是一条非常长的铁路，起点在安哥拉，是欧洲和美国（可能）在德国制造的，他们对此没有讨论。它是欧洲门户倡议下的第一个项目（与中国的“一带一路”/新丝绸之路竞争），他们似乎对发生的事非常自豪。这会很棒，提前感谢！此外，这个项目的信息很少。
@oniecchi
Something didn't mention (or I didn't heard it) is that around the railways families will start their busines selling goods
没有提到的一点是，铁路周围的家庭将开始做生意，销售商品。
@xuniap
The real impact of railways like this isn’t immediate profit, but long-term economic transformation.
像这样的铁路真正的影响不是眼前的利润，而是长期的经济转型。
@ajinstockholm4902
Chinas builds the world and builds everything we use, and America and Isreal just bombs everything? And China is the bad guy??? Western logic
中国建造了世界，建造了我们使用的一切，而美国和以色列只炸毁一切？中国是坏人？？？这就是西方逻辑
@oniecchi
The protester were financed by
抗议者的资金来自美国和欧洲
@mrfarenheit9159
US A.I.D.
美国国际开发署
@maxadful
Western said is a debt trap
西方说这是债务陷阱
@paulus2348
They always talk negative about China, the west already in Africa first, they are only give lecture and steal
他们总是对中国说负面话，西方早已先行进入非洲，他们只是讲课和偷窃。
@nairobigraffix3288
The initial intention was to do a 'port to uganda-border' line at half the cost of the existing line, but corruption, inflation and other interests raised the price to double the initial price at half the length. but we are in plans to extend it to Uganda Border by 2027
最初的计划是以现有线路一半的成本建设一条“港口到乌干达边境”的线路，但由于腐败、通货膨胀等原因，价格提高了两倍，且长度缩短了一半。不过我们计划在2027年之前将其延伸到乌干达边境。
@KLeeN-hp7yh
The said plans exist only in papers and vain rhetorics. Nothing conclusive so far.
The earlier the better. It beats all logic; why doesn't the government opt for local financing (internal borrowing) instead of wasting precious time?!
Are the people of Kenya (the rich) so self-centred to this extent that they won't lend a hand to their own government?!
Or are they fighting the project so that their lorries can continue to haul the freight to and from the port?
这些所谓的计划只存在于纸面上和空洞的言辞中。到目前为止没有任何结论。
越早越好。这完全不合逻辑；为什么政府不选择本地融资（国内借款），而是浪费宝贵的时间？！
肯尼亚人（富人）竟然如此自私，不愿意帮助自己的政府吗？！
还是他们在反对这个项目，以便他们的卡车能够继续运送进出口的货物？
@magicharley5264
I would say it is well executed when you compare with California high speed rail way project
如果拿它和加利福尼亚高铁项目对比，我会说它执行得很好。
@tealsquare
@magicharley5264that's just active sabotage by big oil and carmakers.
那只是大石油公司和汽车制造商的积极破坏行为。
@nukiolbartes6279
the western media report usually cover the truck driver who lost their job
西方媒体报道通常覆盖那些失业的卡车司机
@dastonamichaels1854
The west will forever be Our enemies
西方永远是我们的敌人
@DetroitDiesel8V71T-Series50MK
Exactly. America will fall and there's nothing they can do to stop it
没错，美国会垮台，他们无能为力阻止这一切
@dubr3662
The rail, I think, is a good thing. Like a 30 year mortgage, it'll pay off early.
我认为这条铁路是件好事。就像30年的按揭贷款，它会提前还清。
@GroteGeer
Project speed also comes with financial costs. I suspect the Chinese government bank is a commercial entity and not a charitable foundation. If the project delivers good financial benefits to both parties, possibly in the long term, it is a win-win situation for both of them.
项目的速度也带来了财务成本。中国的政府银行是一个商业实体，而非慈善基金会。如果这个项目对双方在财务上都带来良好的效益，可能是长期的，那么对双方来说就是双赢。
@Art_NC
The interstate highway system in the United States which paid for my fuel taxes, not borrowed money.
美国的州际公路系统是通过我的燃油税支付的，而不是借来的钱。
@richdaddy2026
Imagine without China building it, this country will still living in....
想象一下，如果没有中国的建设，这个国家将依然处于......
@mavela1111
China built usa railway
中国修建了美国铁路。
@tejakrishna532
In India, a one mile flyover takes decades...
在印度，一英里的立交桥需要几十年的时间...
@ngugidev
Any normal neutral person know that west is always against any project that doesnt not come from its allies specifically China
As an African all we need is development at better options China doesnt have the optimum option but significantly better than the west for now
任何正常中立的人都知道，西方总是反对任何不是来自其盟友的项目，尤其是中国的项目。
作为一个非洲人，我们需要的是更好的发展选择，中国虽然没有最优选项，但目前比西方要好得多。
@grovert4life
the west isnt one entity just like the global south isnt one thinking mind
西方不是一个统一体，就像全球南方也不是一个统一的思维。
@ngugidev
@grovert4life Africans know we mean by the West , Former colonial powers The worldbank, imf and USA
非洲人知道我们所说的西方指的是，前殖民大国、世界银行、国际货币基金组织和美国。
@soundslight7754
Kenya and the rest of Africa need this and much more to improve the lives of majority of Africa and beyond. This project is a small step in the right direction, it's better it's done now than in 2060 and it would have been better if it was done in year 2000
肯尼亚和其他非洲国家需要这些以及更多的东西来改善大多数非洲人民的生活。这个项目是朝着正确方向迈出的一个小步骤，现在完成要比2060年完成好，要是能在2000年完成那会更好。
@patguilfoyle9720
US campaigns both overtly and covertly against these rail lines
美国公开和暗中反对这些铁路线路。
@Honor9xc
In India it will take 30 years
在印度，这将需要30年。
@bireswarhalder9765
No development can take place without infrastructure. Africa needs to develop infrastructure rapidly. If China builds, the West will criticize.
没有基础设施，任何发展都无法进行。非洲需要快速发展基础设施。如果中国来建设，西方会批评。
@mrobxt9113
TIL Africa has a better passenger train than we do.... big oof.
今天我学到非洲有比我们更好的客运列车......真是大吃一惊。
@onebridge7231
California Rail Project is nothing but fraud and corruption. Has nothing to do with land rights or politics except the corrupt politicians stealing from the project.
加州铁路项目不过是诈骗和腐败，和土地权利或政治无关，除了那些腐败的政治家从项目中盗取资金。
@sapanamainali9561
So China financed and built in record time !! Whats not to like as otherwise would have never been built. Europe and USA cant build trains even i. Decades now. This will pay manyfold over in the coming decades.
所以中国以创纪录的时间融资并建设！有什么不好呢？否则根本不会建成。欧洲和美国连火车都建不了，已经几十年了。这个项目在未来几十年将带来多倍回报。
@sushilmathew7592
Great job Kenya.
做得好，肯尼亚。
@soundslight7754
The UK is building a new line (HS2) about 150km long, it's already 16 years in the making and not even half complete!!! By the time it finished, it will have cost $200 BN
英国正在修建一条新的线路（HS2），大约150公里长，已经修建了16年，甚至还没有一半被完成！！！等到它完成时，预计将花费2000亿美元。
@le8307
they miss haven the Chinese helping them out
他们错过了中国的帮助。
@snny2112
All rich countries have proper transportation infrastructure, all poor countries have not enough transportation infrastructure. So what this tell us? Naysayers are just western bots wanting to keep Africa poor and cheaply exploitable forever
所有富裕国家都有完善的交通基础设施，所有贫穷国家都缺乏足够的交通基础设施。这告诉我们什么？反对者只是西方的机器人，想永远让非洲保持贫穷和便于剥削。
@pirzadaasif5485
China brings Development.
US brings destruction.
中国带来发展。
美国带来毁灭。
@Bubajumba
C brings a endless dept trap its not gonna be fun when dept aren't being paid and C takes ownership.
C带来无尽的Z务X阱，当债务未能偿还，C夺取所有权时，那将不再有趣。
@254react
@Bubajumba Most debt in the world is brought by western finance institutions like the World Bank, IMF & Eurobond not China. The Chinese dept in Kenya is only 17% of Kenya's total national debt. The rest is IMF, Local Debt and World Bank
世界上的大部分债务是由西方金融机构如世界银行、国际货币基金组织和欧元债券带来的，而不是中国。中国在肯尼亚的债务仅占肯尼亚总国家债务的17%。其余的是国际货币基金组织、本地债务和世界银行。
@wanwanvanjava
DEBT , ? ONLY China HAVE TECKNOLOGI TO BUILD THAT ROAD , AND NO OTHER COUNTRY BUILD THAT... IN NIW DAYS THAT RAIL WAY IS MUST ,,MUST BUILD EVEN IF IN DEBT... JUST ASK WHO CAN BUILD,... NOTJUST IMAGINE AND BULLSHIT WITHOUT REALITY...
债务，? 只有中国有技术建设这条道路，其他国家都没法建......如今，这条铁路是必须建的，即使要负债也要建......问问谁能建，别只是空想和胡说八道。
This ‘debate’ is moronic. Railways are essential infrastructure. They need to be built. It was a wise decision.
这场“辩论”蠢得离谱。铁路是关键基础设施，必须建设。当初的决定是明智的。
@AbuSayed-ct9od
Love to Kenya from Bangladesh
来自孟加拉国的爱送给肯尼亚。
@Sinoopp-x6t
BBC：But what cost?!
BBC：可代价是什么？！
@nairobigraffix3288
very high
非常高。
@curiouspeople6441
Independent from the white man
不再依赖白人、要独立。
@wengoenlie731
At low cost
低成本。
@belincentgidke4536
The US might drop bombs on it out of spite.
美国可能会出于报复心理去轰炸它。
@Zerpentsa6598
Yeah! Slave labour! Billions of elephants killed.
对啊！NU工！还杀了几十亿头大象。
@winstonw2297
" Jealously amount neighbor "
“嫉妒的邻居”（语句不通，大意应是：邻国的嫉妒）。
@KLeeN-hp7yh
This would be a good project if it reached the targeted destination, Malaba. Unfortunately it ended in the middle of nowhere and there is no funding to complete it.
This project will further lose relevance as Uganda plans to now connect to TZ SGR line.
Northern corridor, as a viable option, has many players, hence stiff competition.
The only remaining viable option is to connect with TZ SGR network, after electrifying KE SGR, so that it can have a share of the market (DRC, Burundi, Rwanda etc.)
如果这条线能通到既定目的地马拉巴（Malaba），那会是个好项目。可惜它修到“荒郊野外”就停了，也没有资金把它完工。
而且随着乌干达计划接入坦桑尼亚的标轨铁路（TZ SGR），这个项目的意义会进一步下降。
北部走廊作为一个可行选择，参与方很多，竞争非常激烈。
剩下真正可行的路子，是先把肯尼亚标轨铁路（KE SGR）电气化，再接入坦桑尼亚标轨铁路网络，才能分到刚果（金）、布隆迪、卢旺达等市场。
@corvusglaive5769
You people like to bring up these arguments when China is involved, but the West never really showed any willingness to actually invest in any project that would spur growth on the continent. The concept for that Railway was created decades ago, but none of Kenya's so-called Western allies were willing to invest in it. Even now, the so-called Nairobi-Mombasa expressway is supposed to be funded and built by an American company, but they are hesitating and seem unwilling to take the risk. From the way things are going, the project will end up with a Chinese contractor.
一涉及中国你们就爱拿这些说法出来，可西方从来没真正愿意在非洲投能带动增长的项目。这条铁路的构想几十年前就有了，但肯尼亚那些所谓的西方盟友没有一个愿意投。
就连现在号称要由美国公司出资建设的内罗毕—蒙巴萨快速路，他们也在犹豫，像是不愿意承担风险。照这趋势看，最后还是会落到中国承包商手里。
@corvusglaive5769
@KLeeN-hp7yh@KLeeN-hp7yh, are you talking about the same SGR that is getting swept by floods? In addition, the Kenyan SGR is very different from the Tanzanian SGR because the former is mainly designed for cargo, while the Tanzanian SGR is designed for freight. In addition, the landscape in Kenya is completely different from that of Tanzania, which mainly runs on a flat surface. At this point, you are just talking out of Suluhu's ass because Uganda lixing their SGR to TZ doesn't mean they have abandoned their initial plans. It is called diversifying the risk. They just don't want to rely on a single route, and that makes sense.
你说的是那条被洪水冲刷的标轨铁路（SGR）吗？另外，肯尼亚的标轨铁路和坦桑尼亚的标轨铁路很不一样：前者主要按货运（cargo）设计，后者按货物运输（freight）设计。再说肯尼亚的地形也和坦桑尼亚完全不同，坦桑尼亚那边很多线路是在相对平坦的地面上。
你现在这些话就是在替苏卢胡（Suluhu）胡扯；乌干达把本国标轨铁路接入坦桑尼亚线路，不代表他们放弃了原来的计划，这叫分散风险。他们只是不想只依赖一条线路，这很合理。
@KLeeN-hp7yh
@corvusglaive5769 I'm talking about the SGR that has never been swept by floods! Recently, the authorities stopped it temporarily to allow corrective and preventive maintenance following the heavy rains.
TZ SGR is modern, has a higher axle load capacity(35Tons vs KE's 25Tons), is faster with much lower operating and maintenance costs (electric).
It is designed primarily to haul cargo/freight from the port(s) to the land locked countries. While KE is still dilly dallying Tanzania is busy constructing the extension from Uvinza, Tanzania to Musongati, Burundi and plans are being finalized to extend it to Manyema in the DRC, Rwanda, Uganda and beyond.
Tanzania is a lot bigger than Kenya, with diverse landscapes. You should have learned this in school. The SGR passes through mountains, valleys, flood plains etc., hence the bridges and viaducts, both underground/tunnels and elevated.
TZ SGR is superior to KE's in all aspects and visibly Tanzania is very intentional in its projects.
Let's give credit when & where it is due!
我说的是那条从没被洪水冲毁的标轨铁路！最近只是因为暴雨，主管部门临时停运，做纠正性和预防性维护。
坦桑尼亚标轨铁路（TZ SGR）更现代，轴载更高（35 吨 vs 肯尼亚 25 吨），速度更快，而且因为电气化运营维护成本更低。
它主要用于把港口的货物运往内陆国家。肯尼亚还在拖拖拉拉，坦桑尼亚已经忙着修从乌温扎（Uvinza）到布隆迪穆松加蒂（Musongati）的延伸段，并且正在敲定延伸到刚果（金）马涅马（Manyema）、卢旺达、乌干达等地的计划。
坦桑尼亚比肯尼亚大得多，地形也更丰富，你上学时就该学过。标轨铁路会穿越山地、峡谷、洪泛平原等，所以才有桥梁和高架，也有地下隧道和高架结构。
坦桑尼亚的标轨铁路在各方面都比肯尼亚的更强，而且看得出坦桑尼亚做项目很有目标性。
该给的认可就应该给！
@guangxidavidliu
Kenya STOPPED paying the loan and interest BACK. And China still provide tech support this railway. It is a disaster.
肯尼亚已经停止偿还贷款本息了，但中国还在为这条铁路提供技术支持。这就是一场灾难。
@rednihb
Not BBC, the Kenyans themselves as utilisation hasn’t caught up to projections, government has to service the debt as the operations aren’t generating enough revenue
不是 BBC 这么说的，是肯尼亚人自己这么认为：因为使用率没达到预期，运营收入不够还债，所以政府只能替它偿付债务。
@eldentiangha
@guangxidavidliubecause kenyas head is stuck in trump's ass
因为肯尼亚领导人脑子被特朗普“塞住了”（粗俗说法，意指：对特朗普言听计从）。
@t.h.7481
@rednihb do you have any logical rebuttals to the points they made or are you just here to say "haha China bad"
你对他们提的观点有逻辑反驳吗？还是你只会在这儿说“哈哈 中国坏”？
@wengoenlie731
460.000 children report missing maybe killed or eaten in one year in the USa. Btw the cost of this railway is higher because of the long bridges built for the elephants so they can going around freely
美国一年有 46 万名儿童报失踪，可能被杀或被吃掉。顺便说，这条铁路更贵是因为修了很长的桥给大象通行，让它们能自由穿行。
@Sinoopp-x6t
@rednihb Development demands a price; without it, eternal Western colonization awaits.
发展必然要付出代价；不付出，就只能永远被西方殖民。
@rednihb
@Sinoopp-x6t That applies to only developments which are of actual use and make a difference to the people, not to projects that don’t really deliver
这只适用于真正有用、能改善民生的发展项目，不适用于那些并没有真正带来效果的工程。
@MDSR17455
Honestly it's not China fault but the country that request the loan. They didn't think it thru went they took the loan and hence when they can't make payment. It's the same as what banks do when you can't pay your house, they take it to recoup their losses
说实话这不是中国的错，而是借款国自己的问题。他们贷款时没想清楚，结果还不起。就像你房贷还不上，银行会收走房子来弥补损失一样。
@haodeng9639
BBC already lose the funding from US, lol
BBC 已经失去美国的资助了，笑死。
@daishi74
Could anyone else build faster and better?
还有谁能建得更快、更好吗？
@Vf1sgundam
@belincentgidke4536Eventually.
迟早会的。
@Navanuakiki
China's our best partner
中国是我们最好的伙伴。
@D4RK_L0RD_K3N
Out of the big players China definitely the most reasonable right now.
在这些大玩家里，中国现在绝对是最讲道理的。
@arandomyoutubechannel2940
Long live China!
中国万岁！
@fdama
You're still begging America
你们还在向美国乞求。
@technicalgamerz2440
Happy debt trap brother
Z务X阱快乐啊，兄弟。
@giovannifinievoli8825
@D4RK_L0RD_K3N is this a joke?
这是在开玩笑吗？
@D4RK_L0RD_K3N
@giovannifinievoli8825 Compared to the U.S and Russia, yeah, China is definitely the most reasonable right now.
和美国、俄罗斯相比，是的，中国现在确实最讲道理。
@tideypods4808
Kenya is a lifeline for countries like South Sudan. South Sudan is super dependant on Sudan which is really bad especially since they are at war. Railways and Oil pipelines through Kenya are the only solution
肯尼亚对南苏丹这类国家来说是生命线。南苏丹非常依赖苏丹，这很糟，尤其两边还在打仗。通过肯尼亚修铁路和输油管道是唯一的解决方案。
@guillermoelenes7252
South Sudan is not a real country
南苏丹不算真正的国家。
@tideypods4808
@guillermoelenes7252 why
为什么？
@kazaddum2448
@guillermoelenes7252 Dunno, it declared indepedence and is widely recongnized as independent country by other countries.
不知道啊，它都宣布独立了，而且也被很多国家承认为独立国家。
@dusan19377
It is a young and least developed yet but it's been recognized and it became part of unated nations.
它确实年轻、也很不发达，但已经被承认了，并且成为联合国成员国。
@tealsquare
Kenya is not the only solution and this hubris has seen Tanzania now surpass Kenya as the biggest exporter to Uganda which is basically the distribution hub of the region. Kenya's SGR began before Tanzania's, but they have built it to the shores of Lake Victoria already and have built ports together with Uganda to facilitate trade there. Kenya meanwhile has failed to extend it's SGR to this day.
肯尼亚并不是唯一的出路。正是这种自负，才让坦桑尼亚如今超过肯尼亚，成了对乌干达（基本是该地区的分销枢纽）最大的出口国。肯尼亚的标轨铁路（SGR）比坦桑尼亚更早开工，但坦桑尼亚已经把铁路修到维多利亚湖岸边，还和乌干达一起建了港口来促进那里的贸易；反观肯尼亚，到现在都没把标轨铁路延伸下去。
@amandagrant4331
When Chinese came to Africa, they talked about trade.
When US people came to Africa, they talked about China.
当中国人来到非洲时，他们谈论的是贸易。
当美国人来到非洲时，他们谈论的是中国。
@Cibias
Wait until the debt cannot be serviced!
等到债务无法偿还时再说吧！
@never4ever386
China trades, the US invades.
中国进行贸易，美国进行侵略。
@Miheil1
@Cibias China has always restructured or forgiven debts, the West only gives lectures and hypocritical comments.
中国一直在重组或免除债务，西方只是讲道理和虚伪的评论。
@taytk8005
@Cibias
You Are Just Another Victim Of The CIA & M15 Anti China & Anti Chinese Fear Propaganda etc.
Feel Sorry For Your Inability To Read & Avail Yourself To True & Factual News Of Africa & Asia & Your Reliance On Fake Propaganda From Australia & UK & The USA & Israel As Your Unreliable Source Of Information
你只是中情局和M15反中国、反中国人恐惧宣传的另一个受害者等。
为你无法阅读和获取真实、准确的非洲和亚洲新闻感到遗憾，你依赖澳大利亚、英国、美国和以色列的不可靠宣传作为信息来源。
@tomshingle608
@Cibiasand it better than bombs and lectures, the imf and world bank are what not debt traps.
这总比炸弹和讲座好，国际货币基金组织和世界银行并不是债务陷阱。
@kazaddum2448
@Cibias Several times this already happened. China then restructures the loans. Literally no asset seizure by the PRC, ever.
这种情况已经发生过几次了。中国随后重组贷款。中华人民共和国从未实际扣押过资产。
@constitution1550
China makes 90 deals in 90 days while the US makes 90 threats in 90 days.
中国在90天内达成90项交易，而美国在90天内发出90次威胁。
@Kch-ju6pf
@Cibias You mean debt to the IMF......moron.
你是说欠国际货币基金组织的债务......笨蛋。
@awancah7309
and bomb your land if not they will take your raw resouces with tiny money.
如果不这样，他们就会炸毁你的土地，否则他们将以微薄的价格夺走你的原材料。
@dicktracy5234
Who owns the train?
谁拥有这列火车？
@atul3009
@kazaddum2448Pakistan have already sold their airports to Chinese, sri lanka went bankrupt, do you want more
巴基斯坦已经把他们的机场卖给了中国，斯里兰卡破产了，你还想要更多吗？
@biocapsule7311
The US don't think they need to 'invest' in Africa because they think they can simply regime change to get whatever they want.
美国认为他们不需要“投资”非洲，因为他们认为只需进行政权更替就能得到他们想要的一切。
@sillyfunnyq
@spadeysay6846
No surprises that the West are the greatest critics of developments, not just in Africa but everywhere else as well. And in particular when the projects are undertaken and financed by China. There is no secret that the West wants those projects not to happen so that those previous western colonies will remain backward and poor.
西方是发展项目的最大批评者，这一点并不奇怪，不仅仅是非洲，其他地方也是如此。尤其是当这些项目由中国承担和融资时。西方希望这些项目不发生，这样那些以前的西方殖民地就会继续落后贫穷，这一点并不是什么秘密。
@mrpokefan8369
You're wrong. When the financial calculations show that the project is viable the "West" is more than eager to fund projects. The problem for this particulat one is not only presumed corruption, but that previous studies done by European Consultants showed that the return on investment is not sufficient to fund the project. In other words, the railway is not able to collect sufficient money to pay for operation, maintenance and - at least - parts of the loan. This was dismissed by China doing an extremely positive feasibility study overexagerating potential benefits to show that is is viable. And Kenyan Authorities were more than happy to accept these figures, as it mean that the project will be funded and they can have their personal return. There are already videos on YouTube speaking about issues in revenue collection.
Will the railway work? Definitely. It might take more time than anticipated to repay the loan by Kenya.
你错了。当财务计算表明项目是可行的时，西方更愿意资助这些项目。这个项目的问题不仅仅是假设的腐败问题，而且之前由欧洲顾问进行的研究表明，投资回报不足以资助项目。换句话说，铁路无法收回足够的资金来支付运营、维护，至少是部分贷款。
中国做了一项非常积极的可行性研究，夸大了潜在利益，显示出这个项目是可行的。肯尼亚当局非常高兴接受这些数据，因为这意味着项目将得到资助，他们可以获得个人回报。YouTube上已经有视频讨论收入收集的问题。
铁路会成功吗？肯定会。可能需要比预期更长的时间来偿还贷款。
@Cibias
Complete bollocks!
完全胡说八道！
@greedyinvader9462
@mrpokefan8369how stupid you are , infrastructures is tools to support broader economy , without infrastructures country economy will never grow , why your country build the road ? Moron
你真愚蠢，基础设施是支持更广泛经济的工具，没了基础设施国家的经济根本无法发展，你们国家为什么要修路？傻瓜
@vegamoonlight
@cia5649 Meanwhile, your Western leaders love to eat you and your kids.
同时，你们西方的领导人喜欢吃掉你们和你们的孩子。
@vegamoonlight
@mrpokefan8369 compare it to the California HSR project. LMao
把它和加州高铁项目比较一下。笑死我了
@D4RK_L0RD_K3N
@mrpokefan8369 This is exactly why we (the West) are losing to China: Your back-ass attitudes.
这正是我们（西方）输给中国的原因：你们的落后态度。
@corvusglaive5769
@mrpokefan8369, but anyone who knows anything about public projects will tell you that their return and potential contribution to the economy cannot be solely judged based on the profit they generate. For example, Amtrak has almost never generated profit since its inception, but you cannot say that it was a bad investment. The same can be said about the New York subway, which also operates at a significant loss. Judging such projects solely on their profit generation is entirely missing the big picture.
但任何了解公共项目的人都会告诉你，项目的回报和对经济的潜在贡献不能仅仅通过它们产生的利润来判断。例如，Amtrak自成立以来几乎从未盈利，但你不能说它是一个坏投资。同样，纽约地铁也在大幅亏损下运营。仅仅通过利润来判断这些项目完全忽视了大局。
@kazaddum2448
@cia5649 Thinking the PRC is a dictatorship, what being a moron does to you.
认为中国是DC郑泉，笨蛋的思维会让你这样。
@wj2888d
@mrpokefan8369 LOL, wrong! You're so clueless. The ridership of that route is already 2.5x higher than the target. And if you know anything about economics, the entire purpose for railways like this is to increase productivity efficiency, which brings much larger economic value than making a few bucks off selling train tickets. Such a typical western mindset. Stop pretending to look like care about Kenyan people's debt issue so deeply, as if they are not capable of making their own decision. From what I can see, you're the most clueless person here
哈哈，错了！你真是毫无头绪。该线路的客运量已经是目标的2.5倍。如果你了解一些经济学，像这样的铁路的整体目的是提高生产效率，这带来的经济价值远大于通过售卖车票赚一点钱。
这是典型的西方思维方式。别再假装关心肯尼亚人民的债务问题了，仿佛他们不能自己做决定。从我看，最无知的人是你。
@snes-mode7
@mrpokefan8369 you have no idea az well because the west stops itself in liberal economist and nothing else. Their predictions China will fail have at least 40 years. They have been wrong for forever and now their austerity world is crumbling.
Good luck on your decline with your failed economic models.
你也没有任何了解，因为西方只停留在自由经济学者的思维里，别无他法。他们预测中国会失败已经有40年了。一直错到现在，他们的紧缩经济模式正在崩塌。
祝你在经济模式失败下继续衰退，祝好运。
@bgrod3205
@mrpokefan8369 Yeah sounds good....but China is taking over the future and seems to be bringing along a lot of former western occupied people with them. They say that a lot of African nations are falling into debt with China.....I think they'll take that debt on instead of going back to the old west ways...crazy to say
是的，听起来不错……但中国正在接管未来，似乎还带动了许多曾被西方占领的人。他们说很多非洲国家正在陷入中国的债务……我认为他们会接受这笔债务，而不是回到老西方的方式……说出来可能很疯狂。
@glennjensen3313
So nice China Peace Love..
真好，中国，和平，爱。
@myheyang
Westerners often try to convey the idea that a business must be profitable; losses and difficulties in repaying debts are unacceptable.
However, the Chinese think differently. From building the Great Wall and Qin Dynasty roads before 2000 years ago to constructing high-speed railways and highways today (these large-scale projects have all resulted in losses), the Chinese have their own unique way of calculating economics.
西方人常常试图传达一个观念，认为一个企业必须盈利；亏损和偿还债务的困难是不可接受的。
然而，中国人的想法不同。从两千年前修建长城和秦朝道路，到今天修建高速铁路和公路（这些大规模的项目都造成了亏损），中国人有自己独特的经济计算方式。
@karlscher5170
Not westerners. Only Angloids/Jews.
不是西方人，只有盎格鲁人/犹太人。
@grovert4life
depends on the "westerner" i hate that word! Its like saying "Africans" are just....
这取决于“西方人”指的是谁，我讨厌这个词！就像说“非洲人”一样......
@karlscher5170
Only Anglo libertarians
只有盎格鲁自由主义者
@proudwuMao7280
China builds but USA destroys
中国建设，但美国摧毁
@digiturwa
Tagging Venezuela, Cuba, etc
委内瑞拉、古巴等
@never4ever386
The U.S. bombs and kidnaps presidents.
美国轰炸并绑架总统。
@Kosmokramer2
And Israel destroys
以色列摧毁
@digiturwa
@człowiekwrękawiczcezPE Yeah, but the U.S is looking for a bullshit reason to collapse Iran after Venezuela, it has ICE, a racist president, fascist govt, rogue cops and a discriminatory justice system, at this point they can't be the good guys, China and everywhere else is more agreeable at this point
但美国在委内瑞拉之后正找借口摧毁伊朗，它有移民执法局（ICE），一个种族主义总统，法西斯政府，流氓警察和歧视性的司法体系，在这个时刻他们无法被视为“好人”，中国和其他地方更为可接受。
@nursgrata2865
afaik it sells drones to Rus and Ukraine, which kill and destroy, and if war ends offers construction
据我所知，它向俄罗斯和乌克兰出售无人机，这些无人机杀戮和摧毁，如果战争结束，还会提供建设帮助。
@johncane2304
China do business,but it has always do oftenly with under the table
中国做生意，但总是做一些不透明的交易
@Daivd1111
Next is high speed rail, that would take that 4 hour trip to 1.5 hour.
接下来是高铁，它能将4小时的行程缩短到1.5小时。
@Crackingcracker779
Next is double tracking
接下来是双轨建设
@philippecr
Efficiency is why they could build so fast. Infrastructures always took a long time to have a return because of high initial cost, but it's never a bad investment
效率是他们能这么快建设的原因。基础设施通常由于高昂的初期成本需要很长时间才能带来回报，但它永远不是一个坏投资。
@Onelove-k8g
There is New Line in construction from Daressalam to Burundi; could cover it
从达累斯萨拉姆到布隆迪的新线路正在建设中；可以涵盖这个项目。
@seese9456
China has the most reliable megastructure engineers and builders in the world - no other country has built their amount of infrastructure in short timespans and at large scales
中国拥有世界上最可靠的大型基础设施工程师和建筑师——没有其他国家能在短时间内、大规模地建设如此多的基础设施。
@HackedToaster
BBC:"Africa is finally out of poverty, but at what cost"
BBC：“非洲终于脱贫了，但付出了什么代价？”
@王岳飞-l4v7f
Westerners are unwilling to acknowledge the fact that China is gradually leading the world. China has been constantly trying and making mistakes, and has been criticized all the way. They still continue to work hard and persist. It is suggested that they first watch the recently popular TV drama "Taiping Nian" in China. If they cannot understand China a thousand years ago, they should not talk nonsense anymore. Although the TV drama has questionable discussions, it is also based on the evolution of real history
西方人不愿意承认中国正逐渐引领世界的事实。中国一直在不断尝试并犯错，一直受到批评。尽管如此，他们仍然继续努力并坚持下去。建议他们先看一看最近在中国流行的电视剧《太平年》。
如果他们无法理解一千年前的中国，那就不应该再胡说八道了。尽管这部电视剧有争议的讨论，但它也是基于真实历史的演变。
@NikolaosMiloussis
this video is well made! could you do please do a video about the lobito corridor? its a very long railway beginning in angola, european and us made(probably) in germany they arent talking about it. its the first project under the european gateway initiative (the competition to Chinas BRI/new silkroad) and they seam very proud of what happend. this would be awesome, thanks in advance.also there is little info about it.
这视频做得很好！你能做一个关于洛比托走廊的视频吗？它是一条非常长的铁路，起点在安哥拉，是欧洲和美国（可能）在德国制造的，他们对此没有讨论。它是欧洲门户倡议下的第一个项目（与中国的“一带一路”/新丝绸之路竞争），他们似乎对发生的事非常自豪。这会很棒，提前感谢！此外，这个项目的信息很少。
@oniecchi
Something didn't mention (or I didn't heard it) is that around the railways families will start their busines selling goods
没有提到的一点是，铁路周围的家庭将开始做生意，销售商品。
@xuniap
The real impact of railways like this isn’t immediate profit, but long-term economic transformation.
像这样的铁路真正的影响不是眼前的利润，而是长期的经济转型。
@ajinstockholm4902
Chinas builds the world and builds everything we use, and America and Isreal just bombs everything? And China is the bad guy??? Western logic
中国建造了世界，建造了我们使用的一切，而美国和以色列只炸毁一切？中国是坏人？？？这就是西方逻辑
@oniecchi
The protester were financed by
抗议者的资金来自美国和欧洲
@mrfarenheit9159
US A.I.D.
美国国际开发署
@maxadful
Western said is a debt trap
西方说这是债务陷阱
@paulus2348
They always talk negative about China, the west already in Africa first, they are only give lecture and steal
他们总是对中国说负面话，西方早已先行进入非洲，他们只是讲课和偷窃。
@nairobigraffix3288
The initial intention was to do a 'port to uganda-border' line at half the cost of the existing line, but corruption, inflation and other interests raised the price to double the initial price at half the length. but we are in plans to extend it to Uganda Border by 2027
最初的计划是以现有线路一半的成本建设一条“港口到乌干达边境”的线路，但由于腐败、通货膨胀等原因，价格提高了两倍，且长度缩短了一半。不过我们计划在2027年之前将其延伸到乌干达边境。
@KLeeN-hp7yh
The said plans exist only in papers and vain rhetorics. Nothing conclusive so far.
The earlier the better. It beats all logic; why doesn't the government opt for local financing (internal borrowing) instead of wasting precious time?!
Are the people of Kenya (the rich) so self-centred to this extent that they won't lend a hand to their own government?!
Or are they fighting the project so that their lorries can continue to haul the freight to and from the port?
这些所谓的计划只存在于纸面上和空洞的言辞中。到目前为止没有任何结论。
越早越好。这完全不合逻辑；为什么政府不选择本地融资（国内借款），而是浪费宝贵的时间？！
肯尼亚人（富人）竟然如此自私，不愿意帮助自己的政府吗？！
还是他们在反对这个项目，以便他们的卡车能够继续运送进出口的货物？
@magicharley5264
I would say it is well executed when you compare with California high speed rail way project
如果拿它和加利福尼亚高铁项目对比，我会说它执行得很好。
@tealsquare
@magicharley5264that's just active sabotage by big oil and carmakers.
那只是大石油公司和汽车制造商的积极破坏行为。
@nukiolbartes6279
the western media report usually cover the truck driver who lost their job
西方媒体报道通常覆盖那些失业的卡车司机
@dastonamichaels1854
The west will forever be Our enemies
西方永远是我们的敌人
@DetroitDiesel8V71T-Series50MK
Exactly. America will fall and there's nothing they can do to stop it
没错，美国会垮台，他们无能为力阻止这一切
@dubr3662
The rail, I think, is a good thing. Like a 30 year mortgage, it'll pay off early.
我认为这条铁路是件好事。就像30年的按揭贷款，它会提前还清。
@GroteGeer
Project speed also comes with financial costs. I suspect the Chinese government bank is a commercial entity and not a charitable foundation. If the project delivers good financial benefits to both parties, possibly in the long term, it is a win-win situation for both of them.
项目的速度也带来了财务成本。中国的政府银行是一个商业实体，而非慈善基金会。如果这个项目对双方在财务上都带来良好的效益，可能是长期的，那么对双方来说就是双赢。
@Art_NC
The interstate highway system in the United States which paid for my fuel taxes, not borrowed money.
美国的州际公路系统是通过我的燃油税支付的，而不是借来的钱。
@richdaddy2026
Imagine without China building it, this country will still living in....
想象一下，如果没有中国的建设，这个国家将依然处于......
@mavela1111
China built usa railway
中国修建了美国铁路。
@tejakrishna532
In India, a one mile flyover takes decades...
在印度，一英里的立交桥需要几十年的时间...
@ngugidev
Any normal neutral person know that west is always against any project that doesnt not come from its allies specifically China
As an African all we need is development at better options China doesnt have the optimum option but significantly better than the west for now
任何正常中立的人都知道，西方总是反对任何不是来自其盟友的项目，尤其是中国的项目。
作为一个非洲人，我们需要的是更好的发展选择，中国虽然没有最优选项，但目前比西方要好得多。
@grovert4life
the west isnt one entity just like the global south isnt one thinking mind
西方不是一个统一体，就像全球南方也不是一个统一的思维。
@ngugidev
@grovert4life Africans know we mean by the West , Former colonial powers The worldbank, imf and USA
非洲人知道我们所说的西方指的是，前殖民大国、世界银行、国际货币基金组织和美国。
@soundslight7754
Kenya and the rest of Africa need this and much more to improve the lives of majority of Africa and beyond. This project is a small step in the right direction, it's better it's done now than in 2060 and it would have been better if it was done in year 2000
肯尼亚和其他非洲国家需要这些以及更多的东西来改善大多数非洲人民的生活。这个项目是朝着正确方向迈出的一个小步骤，现在完成要比2060年完成好，要是能在2000年完成那会更好。
@patguilfoyle9720
US campaigns both overtly and covertly against these rail lines
美国公开和暗中反对这些铁路线路。
@Honor9xc
In India it will take 30 years
在印度，这将需要30年。
@bireswarhalder9765
No development can take place without infrastructure. Africa needs to develop infrastructure rapidly. If China builds, the West will criticize.
没有基础设施，任何发展都无法进行。非洲需要快速发展基础设施。如果中国来建设，西方会批评。
@mrobxt9113
TIL Africa has a better passenger train than we do.... big oof.
今天我学到非洲有比我们更好的客运列车......真是大吃一惊。
@onebridge7231
California Rail Project is nothing but fraud and corruption. Has nothing to do with land rights or politics except the corrupt politicians stealing from the project.
加州铁路项目不过是诈骗和腐败，和土地权利或政治无关，除了那些腐败的政治家从项目中盗取资金。
@sapanamainali9561
So China financed and built in record time !! Whats not to like as otherwise would have never been built. Europe and USA cant build trains even i. Decades now. This will pay manyfold over in the coming decades.
所以中国以创纪录的时间融资并建设！有什么不好呢？否则根本不会建成。欧洲和美国连火车都建不了，已经几十年了。这个项目在未来几十年将带来多倍回报。
@sushilmathew7592
Great job Kenya.
做得好，肯尼亚。
@soundslight7754
The UK is building a new line (HS2) about 150km long, it's already 16 years in the making and not even half complete!!! By the time it finished, it will have cost $200 BN
英国正在修建一条新的线路（HS2），大约150公里长，已经修建了16年，甚至还没有一半被完成！！！等到它完成时，预计将花费2000亿美元。
@le8307
they miss haven the Chinese helping them out
他们错过了中国的帮助。
@snny2112
All rich countries have proper transportation infrastructure, all poor countries have not enough transportation infrastructure. So what this tell us? Naysayers are just western bots wanting to keep Africa poor and cheaply exploitable forever
所有富裕国家都有完善的交通基础设施，所有贫穷国家都缺乏足够的交通基础设施。这告诉我们什么？反对者只是西方的机器人，想永远让非洲保持贫穷和便于剥削。
@pirzadaasif5485
China brings Development.
US brings destruction.
中国带来发展。
美国带来毁灭。
@Bubajumba
C brings a endless dept trap its not gonna be fun when dept aren't being paid and C takes ownership.
C带来无尽的Z务X阱，当债务未能偿还，C夺取所有权时，那将不再有趣。
@254react
@Bubajumba Most debt in the world is brought by western finance institutions like the World Bank, IMF & Eurobond not China. The Chinese dept in Kenya is only 17% of Kenya's total national debt. The rest is IMF, Local Debt and World Bank
世界上的大部分债务是由西方金融机构如世界银行、国际货币基金组织和欧元债券带来的，而不是中国。中国在肯尼亚的债务仅占肯尼亚总国家债务的17%。其余的是国际货币基金组织、本地债务和世界银行。
@wanwanvanjava
DEBT , ? ONLY China HAVE TECKNOLOGI TO BUILD THAT ROAD , AND NO OTHER COUNTRY BUILD THAT... IN NIW DAYS THAT RAIL WAY IS MUST ,,MUST BUILD EVEN IF IN DEBT... JUST ASK WHO CAN BUILD,... NOTJUST IMAGINE AND BULLSHIT WITHOUT REALITY...
债务，? 只有中国有技术建设这条道路，其他国家都没法建......如今，这条铁路是必须建的，即使要负债也要建......问问谁能建，别只是空想和胡说八道。
