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中国科学家正离开美国返回中国(你绝对想不到原因)

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@shaider1982
The last time something like this was done during the 1950's, an aerospace engineer was forced to return to China and ended up heading their missile programs.

上一次类似的事情发生在1950年代,一位航空航天工程师被迫返回中国,最终领导了中国的导弹计划。

@0102MOA
Forced by whom? In the 1950s, China was dealing with hunger and poverty, the chief scientist of the Chinese space program claims that he lost his research, the scientist who leads the Chinese aviation industry says the same thing. The truth is that

被谁强迫?在1950年代,中国正面临饥饿和贫困,中国航天项目的首席科学家声称他失去了他的研究,领导中国航空工业的科学家也说了同样的话。这就是事实。

@xichen2872
@0102MOA How do you know? Were you alive back then?

你怎么知道?你当时还活着吗?

@0102MOA
@xichen2872 No, I saw an interview with an ambassador talking about China's development. It was a while ago, but I think it was on the 'neutrality studies' channel.

没有,我看过一位大使谈论中国发展的采访。那是很久以前的事了,但我记得是在“中立研究”频道。

@JavierHerrera-od4ti
@0102MOA the guy was under arrest for five years that's an interesting definition of "free to stay"

那个人被拘留了五年,这真是对“自由留下”的有趣定义。

@Asparas-d7t
@SWAGクソMF Many country would pay a lot to attract talents, but the "smart US" give them for free.

许多国家会花大价钱吸引人才,但“聪明的美国”却把他们免费送走。

@changliu3915
Not just any aero engineer, one of the founders of Jet-Propulsion Lab, the precursor to NASA.

他不仅仅是任何一位航空工程师,而且是喷气推进实验室的创始人之一,该实验室是NASA的前身。

@nanyanguo1
@0102MOA victim of mcarthyism witchhunt . uS was determined not to let him returned to China as they accused him of working for CPC. His lab was seized , he was detained n tortured as they tried to obtain a confession from him but he denied all their accusation.
Fortunately , the Nixon visit to China subsequently gave him the opportunity to seek help from the Chinese govt for his release n he eventually returned to China .

他是麦卡锡主义迫害的受害者。美国决心不让他返回中国,因为他们指控他为***工作。他的实验室被查封,他被拘留并遭受酷刑以试图让他认罪,但他否认了所有指控。幸运的是尼克松访华后,他有机会寻求中国政府的帮助,最终得以释放并返回中国。

@0102MOA
@nanyanguo1 We are definitely talking about different times, while you talk about the rocket scientist from the 50s, I am referring to more recent cases, I wouldn't even know how to quantify the date, but the fact is the same, the discrimination of origin, which makes the USA lose talent and mainly destroys careers and stories, not everyone rebuilds their stories so brilliantly. Sad!

我们肯定在谈论不同的时期,你在谈论上世纪50年代的火箭科学家,而我指的是更近期的案例。我甚至不知道如何量化日期,但事实是一样的,对出身的歧视使美国失去人才,并主要摧毁了他们的职业生涯和事业,不是每个人都能如此辉煌地重建他们的事业。真可悲!

@alexjiang758
Why stay in a coutry where you are treated as second class citizen?

为什么要留在一个被当作二等公民对待的国家?

@CopperCat-l8e
It shouldn't be limited to scientists. Why stay if you are treated as an enemy and discriminated against.

这不应该仅限于科学家。如果你被当作敌人并受到歧视,为什么要留下?

@freeworld88888
money and opportunities , China is like America in the past. China is better opportunities. a scientists in America earns less and expensive to live. in China earns high living cost is less.

这是因为金钱和机会,中国就像过去的美国,中国有更好的机会。在美国,科学家收入较低,生活成本更高。而在中国,收入高,生活成本更低。

@HiggsBoson2149
It's fine. The Indian scientists will take over the research.

没关系,印度科学家会接手这些研究。

@FTH_SUAK
@PNdoi34 For example; top America high-technology chip design company such us xillin, AMD, Broadcom, Nvidia etc they all have Chinese CEO and most of their engineer are Chinese American.
Most of American high programer are Chinese american too
Even 98% of america military chip is made by taiwain TSMC
Search the names of AI or chip researchers in the United States, i sure most of them are Chinese name.The AI ​​race is actually a battle between American Chinese and mainland Chinese.
Prophet Napoleon is not lier, the sleeping giant is wake Whoever can rule over AI will rule over the world

例如,美国顶级的高科技芯片设计公司如xillin、AMD、Broadcom、Nvidia等,它们的CEO都是华人,其大多数工程师也是华裔美国人。大多数美国高级程序员也是华裔美国人,甚至98%的美国军用芯片都是由台湾(地区)的台积电制造的。搜索美国的人工智能或芯片研究人员的名字,我敢肯定大多数都是中文名字。人工智能竞赛实际上是美国华人与中国大陆华人之间的较量。拿破仑的预言没有错,沉睡的巨人已经觉醒,谁能统治人工智能,谁就能统治世界。

@nepaliman5716
my friend, who is double Phd holder and is prof in US, is returning China because of discrimination by his university.

我的拥有双博士学位并在美国担任教授的朋友因为大学里的歧视而返回中国。

@waichungsham1578
Look at how the guy from Singapore was treated by the American government when he was questioned about tik tok that tells you enough about what they think about asian people

看看新加坡人在被美国政府问及TikTok时受到的对待,这足以说明他们对亚洲人的看法。

@Hopper-n5f
He was treated very fairly. Those are reasonable questions. Red China is very sneaky. It hired someone from Singapore to reduce suspicion which doesn't work.

他受到了非常公平的对待,那些是合理的问题。红色中国非常狡猾,他们雇佣了新加坡人来减少怀疑,但这并不奏效。

@kamsunleong6648
@Hopper-n5f
They were disappointed that he's not from China. For Americans, in general, Chinese means China.

他们失望的是他不是来自中国。对美国人来说,中国人通常意味着来自中国。

@kamsunleong6648
@Hopper-n5f
So you are saying this Singsporean CEO is actually not qualified to do the job. H was hired to avoid suspicions. Did you check his qualifications/work experience?

所以你是说这位新加坡CEO实际上没有资格做这份工作,他被雇佣是为了避免怀疑?你检查过他的资格/工作经历吗?

@Clarahalfstone77
@LokiTheGodofMischiefyou mean the senators, right? No, I think they are easy to understand. “Do you need to connect to WiFi to use TikTok ”

你指的是参议员,对吧?不,我认为他们很容易理解。“使用TikTok需要连接WiFi吗?”

@INBREADREDNICKMERICAN
@Hopper-n5f Singapore is not China
Infact they suc up to the Americans way more
That’s like asking you about your IRA affiliation being Irish American

新加坡不是中国。事实上,他们更倾向于讨好美国人。这就像问你作为爱尔兰裔美国人是否与爱尔兰共和军有关联一样。

@deragoth4250
@SuryaSurya-re3vn the thing is these facts are easily available. After the 1st few questions he should have known to stop. That interrogation was so cringe that it made the news worldwide

问题是这些事实很容易查到。在问了几个问题后,他应该知道该停止了。那次审讯太尴尬了,以至于成了全球新闻。

@SuryaSurya-re3vn
@deragoth4250 that’s how the politicians work. They are not certified investigators whatsoever, but they acted like a true investigator in that sense. That’s why what they’ve shown to the world were their politicians side rather than the investigative behaviour. And it’s all about politics at the end of day, not the efforts to look into the facts and truths

这就是政客的工作方式。他们根本不是合格的调查员,但他们表现得像真正的调查员。这就是为什么他们向世界展示的是他们的政治立场而不是调查行为的原因。归根结底,这与政治有关,而与努力查明事实和真相无关。

@nsng1298
You expect Americans to be knowledgeable?
I was hired from a graduate business school and started work at the head office. I met this American lady who asked me if we were allowed to party in Singapore. May be she thought Singapore is in North Korea!
Nine months later I returned to Singapore to start work from the new office. I would receive mail from the head office, addressed Singapore, China.
A few years after I retired, I informed an investment bank to close my account in the U.S. A few weeks later I received a letter from this investment bank, addressed Singapore, Japan. May be this bank thought Singapore is still under Japanese occupation.
An American I met told me his friend who lives in Boston thought he needed his passport to go to New Mexico.

你指望美国人知识渊博吗?我从一所商学院毕业后被聘用到总部工作,我遇到了一位美国女士,她问我新加坡是否允许聚会,也许她以为新加坡在朝鲜!九个月后,我回到新加坡,从新办公室开始工作。我会收到总部寄来的邮件,地址写的是中国新加坡。退休几年后,我通知一家投资银行关闭我在美国的账户。几周后,我收到了这家投资银行的信,地址写的是日本新加坡,也许这家银行以为新加坡还在日本的占领下。我遇到的一位美国人告诉我他住在波士顿的朋友以为去新墨西哥州需要护照。

@commentsarefree4311
@Hopper-n5f It was not done very fairly. If I was America I would be very embarrassed with the type op question that were asked. 'Does TikTok connect to WiFi? Does TikTok connect to the Network? Come on !!

这并不公平。如果我是美国人,我会为问出这种问题感到非常尴尬。“TikTok需要连接WiFi吗?TikTok需要连接网络吗?得了吧!”

@Hopper-n5f
@commentsarefree4311 You are not America but your comment is an embarrassment. If TikTok connects to the network, then it can send personal data to Red China. That's a very logical question.

你不是美国人,但你的评论令人尴尬。如果TikTok连接到网络,那么它就可以将个人数据发送到红色中国,这是一个非常合乎逻辑的问题。

@samanthajones4877
Racism against Morris Chang is the reason why Taiwan has TSMC.

对张忠谋的种族歧视是台湾(地区)拥有台积电的原因。

@snowbreaker8
This is an under rated comment which need more likes

这是一条被低估的评论,需要更多点赞。

@ah5878
I’m not sure racism was the reason why Morris left Texas Instruments and went to Taiwan. It was the 70s and Republic of China government established a scientific campus and wanted to transform from farming small manufacturing low profit economy to technical industry so invited Morris to Taiwan and gave him government subsidy and technical support. Morris was not the only engineer invited and TSMC is not the only company formed that time. Morris Chang was born in mainland China, never being to Taiwan prior, but also did not live under People’s Republic of China region.

我不确定种族歧视是张忠谋离开德州仪器去台湾(地区)的原因。那是上世纪70年代,中华民国政府建立了一个科学园区,希望从农业和小型制造业的低利润经济转型为技术产业,因此邀请张忠谋到台湾(地区)并为他提供政府补贴和技术支持。张忠谋并不是唯一被邀请的工程师,台积电也不是当时唯一成立的公司。张忠谋出生在中国大陆,之前从未去过台湾(地区),但也没有生活在中华人民共和国地区。

@davidwong5197
@ah5878 ROC never funded TSMC. And Morris Chang was passed over in TI despite his accomplishment. Here's a little side track Bruce Lee was passed over playing a Chinese in Kung Fu because he is Chinese, The role went to David Carradine.

中华民国从未资助过台积电。尽管张忠谋在德州仪器取得了成就,但他还是被忽视了。这里有个小插曲,李小龙因为是中国人在《功夫》中被忽视,角色给了大卫·卡拉丁。

@JigilJigil
The only reason there is company called TSMC, is that US semiconductor sector and Silicon Valley wanted to find a way to make chips cheaper, that's all.

台积电存在的唯一原因是美国半导体行业和硅谷想找到一种让芯片更便宜的方法,仅此而已。

@zeitgeistx5239
@davidwong5197 they absolutely did find TSMC. It was literally part of their industrial planning.

他们确实资助了台积电,这实际上是他们工业计划的一部分。

@oakspines7171
@ah5878
Taiwan has national program promoting hi-tech development. Morris Chang with the leadership and experience saw and seized the opportunity to push it hard that way and his effort bears fruit and success.

台湾(地区)有一个促进高科技发展的国家计划,张忠谋凭借领导力和经验看到并抓住了这个机会并努力推动,最终取得了成果和成功。

@aero.l
Not only that. He also realized that Americans did not have the same aptitude towards the precision and repetitive work involved in chipmaking.
Ironically, TSMC is also finding that out again today with their new manufacturing facilities in Arizona where most of the staff are of East Asian ethnicity.

不仅如此。他还意识到美国人在芯片制造所需的精密和重复性工作方面没有同样的天赋。讽刺的是台积电今天在亚利桑那州的新制造设施中也发现了这一点,那里的大多数员工都是东亚裔。

@ubermenschen3636
@Andrew-rc3vh : dude, you’re about 30 years behind. Chip connections are made through high-speed, precision soldering machine controlled by computer— AI. The auto assembly line no longer employs humans to install a wheel and tire onto an axle; this task is completely automated for some years. Likewise in the chip industry. You need to upxe your knowledge base, quickly, else you sound like a fool.

老兄,你落后了大约30年。芯片连接是通过高速、精密的计算机控制的焊接机完成的——人工智能。汽车装配线已经不再雇佣人类将轮子和轮胎安装到车轴上;这项任务已经完全自动化多年了,芯片行业也是如此。你需要快速更新你的知识库,否则你会听起来像个傻瓜。

@DBCKINGS
I am a german living in China, i don't deal with discrimination, safety issues for my family. I live in 180 m2 apartment in Ningbo overseeing the city at an affordable price the groceries and food options are tasty and cheap. Living in a country where i have to be afraid of getting shot is not the American dream or anyones!

我是一个生活在中国的德国人,我不需要面对歧视或家庭安全问题。我住在宁波180平方米的公寓里,这里可以俯瞰城市,价格实惠,食品选择美味又便宜。生活在一个我必须害怕被枪击的国家不是美国梦,也不是任何人的梦!

@pjacobsen1000
As someone who is not American, you may not be aware that most Americans never fear getting shot. I know a lot of Americans. None of them have ever expressed a fear of getting shot by anyone.

作为一个非美国人,你可能不知道大多数美国人从不害怕被枪击。我认识很多美国人,他们中没有人表达过害怕被任何人枪击。

@luceafarul579
It’s very simple. The US kept cutting funding on scientific research. I’m sure none of the Chinese top scientists returning home are in the weapons or military sector. China is offering to pay them a lot more. I had a Chinese professor who had been in the US for decades. Same thing, he left for a university in HK because they are paying him a whole lot more than US. It wasn’t used to be the case, now things are changing. China can afford to offer very competitive salaries for their top pps now.

这很简单,美国一直在削减科研经费。我确信回国的华裔顶尖科学家中没有人在武器或军事领域工作,中国愿意支付他们更多的薪水。我有一位在美国待了几十年的中国教授,同样,他去了香港(特区)的一所大学,因为他们支付的薪水比美国高得多。以前不是这样,现在情况正在改变。中国现在有能力为顶尖人才提供非常有竞争力的薪水。

@user-tz9jh6pv2j
Many many Chinese scientists who move back do research that contribute to the American military complex, and many of them choose to leave. I recently read an article about that. I'm sure if you look it up you'd find it.

许多回国的中国科学家从事的研究对美国军事复合体有贡献,但他们中的许多人选择离开。我最近读到一篇关于此的文章,我相信如果你查一下,你会找到的。

@luceafarul579
That’s not saying much at all. At least half of research come from military industrial complex fundings. I know this first hand. When I was doing my PhD half of our AI educational technology projects were funded by the military, including that Chinese professor that I mentioned. He went back to China after the HK university offered a much higher salary for him. He was not working in the military sector but in a university, but technically, his work was part of the military industrial complex because in the US at least half of scientific research is funded by MIC anyways doesn’t matter where you are. That’s not something you can really escape.

这并不算什么,因为至少一半的研究来自军事工业复合体的资金。我亲身体验过这一点,当我攻读博士学位时,我们的人工智能教育技术项目有一半是由军方资助的,包括我提到的那位中国教授。他在香港(特区)大学提供更高薪水后回到了中国。他不在军事部门工作,而是在大学工作,但从技术上讲,他的工作是军事工业复合体的一部分,因为在美国,至少一半的科学研究是由军事工业复合体资助的,无论你在哪里,这是你无法真正逃避的。

@kennethlim210
Because of racism, imo. Return to make China great again. Hopefully continue to enrich Chinese life.

我认为是因为种族主义。回国可以让中国再次伟大,他们希望让中国人的生活更富裕。

@adelhassan7997
Not just racism, but from a practical standpoint, the US is cutting research funding under the new administration, so even if they were willing to tolerate the racism for the money, they now have no monetary incentive to stay. So it makes sense both ways

不仅仅是因为种族主义,从实际的角度来看,美国在新政府下削减了研究经费,所以即使他们愿意为了钱忍受种族主义,现在也没有经济激励留下来,所以从两方面来看都有道理。

@lsvaralokasf8249
Instead of being treated as spy and humiliated in the US, it’s the Best to come home and build the motherland, respected by the people wholeheartedly. Every time the scientists got interviewed I always see Caucasians that got interviewed, as if Caucasians are smarter than the Chinese, the reality is far from it.

与其在美国被当作间谍对待和羞辱,不如回国建设祖国,受到人民全心全意的尊重。每次科学家接受采访时,我总是看到白种人被采访,好像白种人比中国人更聪明,但事实远非如此。

@potblack243
who wants to work hard, and let his invention claimed by a country that keep suspecting them as a spy?

谁愿意努力工作,却让自己的发明被一个不断怀疑他们是间谍的国家占有?

@jamesbunbury
The discrimination is real, and connected to racism. Sadly with (often poorly educated) population manipulated by media, this is hard to avoid.

歧视是真实存在的,并且与种族主义有关。可悲的是媒体操纵了(通常是教育程度较低的)大众,这很难避免。

@professor6010
Even foreigners are employed in China. My Cousin went to China this January for a job in the field of chemistry. He is a scientist and works as part of a research team. His contract period is one year and six months. He told me that China has made significant progress in his field. His contract company has provided him with an excellent salary and a great apartment. I don’t think he will be coming back anytime soon.

甚至外国人也在中国工作。我表弟今年一月去了中国,他从事化学领域的工作。他是一名科学家,作为研究团队的一部分参与工作。他的合同期为一年半。他告诉我,中国在他的领域取得了重大的进展。他的合同公司为他提供了丰厚的薪水和一套很棒的公寓,我认为他不会很快回来。

@freeworld88888
Not just Chinese scientist, in the past 12 years, many Americans, Europeans, Russians, Ukrainians scientists are working for China, they get funds to do their projects and they are making great progress IP. It is not because of America politics only. China is the new America and better.

不仅仅是中国的科学家,在过去12年里,许多美国人、欧洲人、俄罗斯人、乌克兰人的科学家都在为中国工作,他们获得资金进行项目研究并在知识产权方面取得了巨大的进展。这不仅仅是因为美国的政治,还因为中国是新的美国,而且是更好的美国。

@hoopnight4758
As a global south citizen, people in my country are rejoicing with happiness with all these news. Something we never thought about, the downfall of the empire, is happening right before our eyes. Can’t wait for the future!

作为全球南方国家的公民,我国人民对这些消息感到高兴。帝国的衰落正在我们眼前发生,这是我们从未想过的事情,迫不及待地等待未来!

@MB-xe8bb
Remember when Rome fell, there were hundreds of years of Dark Ages. How well will China do without US customers and money? The US consumer carries much of the GDP of the whole world, especially when you consider the ripple effect.

记住罗马帝国灭亡时,随之而来的是数百年的黑暗时代。如果没有美国的客户和资金,中国会做得如何?美国消费者承担了全球GDP的很大一部分,尤其是当你考虑到连锁反应时。

@jmg8246
It took American government four short years what the Chinese government can't accomplish in the last 45 years - get their best and brightest minds to come back to the motherland.

美国政府用了短短四年时间完成了中国政府在过去45年里无法完成的事情——让最优秀和最聪明的人才回到祖国。

@雪花冰玉-xuehuabingyu
Home is the only place in the world where you're safe and where you can feel the warmth of your people. It's the best thing to go back to your country and make your country develops more and more.

家是世界上唯一让你感到安全并感受到人民温暖的地方,回到你的国家并让你的国家不断发展是最好的事情。

@syncmaster915n
There's always the glass ceiling, too. Ask any Chinese researchers, engineers if their potentials are realized in western countries. Most of them will tell you no. They stay because of the comfortable living.

还有玻璃天花板。问问任何一个华裔研究人员、工程师,他们的潜力是否在西方国家得到了实现?大多数人会告诉你没有。他们留下来是因为舒适的生活。

@louissimmonds5509
I don't blame them for leaving. I see no reason not to return to a great country like China.

我不责怪他们离开,我看不出有什么理由不回到像中国这样伟大的国家。

 
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