为什么拜登政府要向乌克兰发送数十亿美元？我们为什么要这么挺乌克兰？为了乌克兰不管俄亥俄这真的值得吗？
正文翻译
Why is the Biden administration sending billions to Ukraine? What is our allegiance to Ukraine? Is Ukraine really worth it, even in spite of Ohio?
为什么拜登政府要向乌克兰发送数十亿美元？我们为什么要这么挺乌克兰？为了乌克兰不管俄亥俄这真的值得吗？
Why is the Biden administration sending billions to Ukraine? What is our allegiance to Ukraine? Is Ukraine really worth it, even in spite of Ohio?
为什么拜登政府要向乌克兰发送数十亿美元？我们为什么要这么挺乌克兰？为了乌克兰不管俄亥俄这真的值得吗？
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poobutt191
Ohio wouldn’t get aid regardless if there was a war in Ukraine or not
无论乌克兰是否发生战争，俄亥俄州都不会得到援助
Ohio wouldn’t get aid regardless if there was a war in Ukraine or not
无论乌克兰是否发生战争，俄亥俄州都不会得到援助
Dtour77
Remember Flint?
还记得弗林特吗？
Remember Flint?
还记得弗林特吗？
poobutt191
Yeah there’s still a conspiracy there. Companies destroy water ways with dumping chemicals into them because it’s more profitable then disposing of it safely. For years this went on. Then on the civil level instead of shelling out the money to pay for new pipe to Lake Michigan they decide to use their old corroded pipes to get water from the flint river. Ground heavily contaminated and water heavily contaminated form years of chemical run off. Water further corroded pipes and the people of flint get contaminated mud from their sinks.
Conspiracy is why do cooperate profits and municipalities savings trump civilian health and well being. Billions of dollars wasted on federal agencies at many different levels to make sure corporation greed for profits doesn’t effect the free people of USA but none of it matters.
是的，那里仍然存在阴谋论。公司通过向其中倾倒化学品来破坏水道，因为这比安全处理更有利可图。多年来，这种情况一直持续着。然后在民用层面，他们决定使用旧的腐蚀管道从弗林特河取水，而不是花钱购买通往密歇根湖的新管道。多年的化学物质流入失使地面和水受到严重污染。水进一步腐蚀了管道，弗林特人从水龙头中得到的是受污染的泥浆。
阴谋论是为什么公司利润和市政储蓄胜过平民健康和福祉。数十亿美元浪费在许多不同级别的联邦机构上，以确保公司对利润的贪婪不会影响美国的自由人民，结果这一切都是枉然。
Yeah there’s still a conspiracy there. Companies destroy water ways with dumping chemicals into them because it’s more profitable then disposing of it safely. For years this went on. Then on the civil level instead of shelling out the money to pay for new pipe to Lake Michigan they decide to use their old corroded pipes to get water from the flint river. Ground heavily contaminated and water heavily contaminated form years of chemical run off. Water further corroded pipes and the people of flint get contaminated mud from their sinks.
Conspiracy is why do cooperate profits and municipalities savings trump civilian health and well being. Billions of dollars wasted on federal agencies at many different levels to make sure corporation greed for profits doesn’t effect the free people of USA but none of it matters.
是的，那里仍然存在阴谋论。公司通过向其中倾倒化学品来破坏水道，因为这比安全处理更有利可图。多年来，这种情况一直持续着。然后在民用层面，他们决定使用旧的腐蚀管道从弗林特河取水，而不是花钱购买通往密歇根湖的新管道。多年的化学物质流入失使地面和水受到严重污染。水进一步腐蚀了管道，弗林特人从水龙头中得到的是受污染的泥浆。
阴谋论是为什么公司利润和市政储蓄胜过平民健康和福祉。数十亿美元浪费在许多不同级别的联邦机构上，以确保公司对利润的贪婪不会影响美国的自由人民，结果这一切都是枉然。
Penny1974
corporation greed for profits
The problem is not a corporation's profits, corporations are supposed to profit. It is the government allowing corporations to dictate policy and actions and politicians and government bureaucrats that receive financial incentives to do so. It must stop at the government level.
“贪图利益的企业”
问题不在于公司的利润，公司应该盈利。正是政府允许企业决定政策和行动，而政治家和政府官僚获得了经济激励来这样做。政府本应果断制止这种情况的发生。
corporation greed for profits
The problem is not a corporation's profits, corporations are supposed to profit. It is the government allowing corporations to dictate policy and actions and politicians and government bureaucrats that receive financial incentives to do so. It must stop at the government level.
“贪图利益的企业”
问题不在于公司的利润，公司应该盈利。正是政府允许企业决定政策和行动，而政治家和政府官僚获得了经济激励来这样做。政府本应果断制止这种情况的发生。
poobutt191
I agree with you the government both federal and locally could easily fix this problem. But they won’t because the more the companies profit the bigger their illegal paychecks or stock options become. So to say corporate greed for excessive profits isn’t to blame is horribly wrong because it is the fuel for the entire fire.
All these corporations could handle, transport, and dispose of chemical’s safely and still make loads of money but that would cut into excessive profits. So we allow “minimum” amounts of chemicals into water ways and the air. And let trains full of the shit through densely populated areas because it’s the cheaper option. And that means more money to the corrupt system and their own banks.
我同意你的看法，联邦和地方政府可以轻松解决这个问题。但他们不会这样做，因为公司获利越多，他们的非法薪水或股票期权就越大。因此，说不应该责怪企业对超额利润的贪婪是非常错误的，因为它是整场大火的燃料。
所有这些公司都可以安全地处理、运输和处置化学品，并且仍然可以赚到很多钱，但这会削减超额利润。因此，我们开始允许“最小”量的化学物质进入水道和空气。让装满垃圾的火车穿过人口稠密的地区，因为这是更便宜的选择。这意味着腐败的体制和他们自己的银行赚更多的钱。
I agree with you the government both federal and locally could easily fix this problem. But they won’t because the more the companies profit the bigger their illegal paychecks or stock options become. So to say corporate greed for excessive profits isn’t to blame is horribly wrong because it is the fuel for the entire fire.
All these corporations could handle, transport, and dispose of chemical’s safely and still make loads of money but that would cut into excessive profits. So we allow “minimum” amounts of chemicals into water ways and the air. And let trains full of the shit through densely populated areas because it’s the cheaper option. And that means more money to the corrupt system and their own banks.
我同意你的看法，联邦和地方政府可以轻松解决这个问题。但他们不会这样做，因为公司获利越多，他们的非法薪水或股票期权就越大。因此，说不应该责怪企业对超额利润的贪婪是非常错误的，因为它是整场大火的燃料。
所有这些公司都可以安全地处理、运输和处置化学品，并且仍然可以赚到很多钱，但这会削减超额利润。因此，我们开始允许“最小”量的化学物质进入水道和空气。让装满垃圾的火车穿过人口稠密的地区，因为这是更便宜的选择。这意味着腐败的体制和他们自己的银行赚更多的钱。
CholetisCanon
You get what you vote for.
你得到了你投票的结果。
You get what you vote for.
你得到了你投票的结果。
poobutt191
You think your government cares about you? Both side of the government poison their people.
你认为你的政府关心你吗？两党都在毒害他们的人民。
You think your government cares about you? Both side of the government poison their people.
你认为你的政府关心你吗？两党都在毒害他们的人民。
Penny1974
"Without Ukraine, the global order may not survive"
I'm okay with the "global order" aka NWO not surviving.
“没有乌克兰，全球秩序可能无法维系”
我同意“全球秩序”又名新全球秩序不再维系下去。
"Without Ukraine, the global order may not survive"
I'm okay with the "global order" aka NWO not surviving.
“没有乌克兰，全球秩序可能无法维系”
我同意“全球秩序”又名新全球秩序不再维系下去。
Unfixingstorm7
I think in this case the “global order” is USA hegemony..
我认为在这种语境下，“全球秩序”指的是美国霸权……
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I think in this case the “global order” is USA hegemony..
我认为在这种语境下，“全球秩序”指的是美国霸权……
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jonnyredshorts
It’s less about Ukraine than it is about Russia and Putin.
与其说是乌克兰，不如说是俄罗斯和普京。
It’s less about Ukraine than it is about Russia and Putin.
与其说是乌克兰，不如说是俄罗斯和普京。
bleeddonor
Also, the ponzi scheme that is the USD as perpetrated by the Fed demands new military conquests periodically in order to provide new collateral to float more debt so that the old debt can be paid off.
The Fed was designed precisely for the purpose of always requiring new collateral, so that we'd be motivated to fight these wars.
ADL was created at the same time as the Fed. Israel's purpose is to tell us which wars to fight.
It really is that simple. Don't really know anything about Rothschild. Really don't need to. Start with Warburg, and move forward from there.
美联储实施的美元庞氏骗局要求定期进行新的军事征服，以提供新的抵押品来撬动更多的债券，从而可以偿还旧债。
美联储的设计正是因为始终需要新的抵押品，这样我们就有动力去打这些战争。
ADL与美联储是同时创建的。以色列存在的目的是告诉我们要打哪场战争。
真的就是这么简单。我对罗斯柴尔德没有什么了解。真的不需要。搜搜Warburg，并从那里顺藤摸瓜。
Also, the ponzi scheme that is the USD as perpetrated by the Fed demands new military conquests periodically in order to provide new collateral to float more debt so that the old debt can be paid off.
The Fed was designed precisely for the purpose of always requiring new collateral, so that we'd be motivated to fight these wars.
ADL was created at the same time as the Fed. Israel's purpose is to tell us which wars to fight.
It really is that simple. Don't really know anything about Rothschild. Really don't need to. Start with Warburg, and move forward from there.
美联储实施的美元庞氏骗局要求定期进行新的军事征服，以提供新的抵押品来撬动更多的债券，从而可以偿还旧债。
美联储的设计正是因为始终需要新的抵押品，这样我们就有动力去打这些战争。
ADL与美联储是同时创建的。以色列存在的目的是告诉我们要打哪场战争。
真的就是这么简单。我对罗斯柴尔德没有什么了解。真的不需要。搜搜Warburg，并从那里顺藤摸瓜。
magenta_placenta
To know today you have to first know yesterday...What this conflict is really about is the American-led democratic hegemony that has spread over eastern Europe since the end of the Cold War and the collapse of the Soviet unx and whether that's going to remain intact, or whether, because Russia obxts to it, Russia can use force to rollback that infrastructure.
Putin is trying to regain territory lost at the end of the Cold War in an attempt to make Russia stronger and the West less dominant in the region. Ukraine wants to become a part of NATO, which would give it NATO backing and protection. That would make Ukraine untouchable by Putin unless he wanted to start a full-blown war with the United States and its allies.
Putin's long-term goal is to alter the composition of the government in Kyiv so they reorient their foreign policy away from the EU and NATO, and back towards Russia.
要了解今天，你必须先了解昨天......这场冲突真正涉及的是自冷战结束和苏联解体以来蔓延到东欧的美国主导的民主霸权，以及这种霸权是否会保持不变，或者由于俄罗斯反对，俄罗斯是否可以使用武力来回击这种蔓延。
普京正试图收复冷战结束时失去的领土，以期让俄罗斯变得更强大，并削弱西方在该地区的主导地位。乌克兰希望成为北约的一部分，这将使它得到北约的支持和保护。同时使普京无法触及乌克兰，除非他想与美国及其盟国发动一场全面的战争。
普京的长期目标是改变基辅政府的组成，以便他们重新调整外交政策，使其远离欧盟和北约，并回到俄罗斯。
To know today you have to first know yesterday...What this conflict is really about is the American-led democratic hegemony that has spread over eastern Europe since the end of the Cold War and the collapse of the Soviet unx and whether that's going to remain intact, or whether, because Russia obxts to it, Russia can use force to rollback that infrastructure.
Putin is trying to regain territory lost at the end of the Cold War in an attempt to make Russia stronger and the West less dominant in the region. Ukraine wants to become a part of NATO, which would give it NATO backing and protection. That would make Ukraine untouchable by Putin unless he wanted to start a full-blown war with the United States and its allies.
Putin's long-term goal is to alter the composition of the government in Kyiv so they reorient their foreign policy away from the EU and NATO, and back towards Russia.
要了解今天，你必须先了解昨天......这场冲突真正涉及的是自冷战结束和苏联解体以来蔓延到东欧的美国主导的民主霸权，以及这种霸权是否会保持不变，或者由于俄罗斯反对，俄罗斯是否可以使用武力来回击这种蔓延。
普京正试图收复冷战结束时失去的领土，以期让俄罗斯变得更强大，并削弱西方在该地区的主导地位。乌克兰希望成为北约的一部分，这将使它得到北约的支持和保护。同时使普京无法触及乌克兰，除非他想与美国及其盟国发动一场全面的战争。
普京的长期目标是改变基辅政府的组成，以便他们重新调整外交政策，使其远离欧盟和北约，并回到俄罗斯。
rdrigrail
Right the 2014 coup? We taking any responsibility for that? How about the fact that 76% of ukrainians speak Russian in their homes? What about the 8-year shelling of the Don Bass? I know this for a fact if Russia set up a missile defense system in let's say Toronto or Mexico City we would take that as an Act of War and it would be on. So I think ousting the Russian friendly government and installing Ultra nationalist Nazis then proceeding to ignore the fact that NATO should have been dissolved when Russian fell apart in the 90s instead of continuing to absorb Eastern European countries is knowing what the history is. The people in the Don Bass don't want any part of Ukraine and that makes perfect sense to me. Just like Crimea does. I think Putin and Russia are doing exactly what we would do the same situation and it's ignorant to think otherwise. I think the Western media is crucifying the man and Americans are ignorant about it why because we're collectively stupid. Don't be bothered about looking into what goes on and why it goes on they just take whatever CNN shoves down their throats anr trust the freaking US government
对 2014 年的政变我们有承担任何责任吗？76% 的乌克兰人在家里说俄语，这一事实你又怎么看？对顿巴斯8 年的炮击呢？我知道的一个事实是，如果俄罗斯在比如说多伦多或墨西哥城建立导弹防御系统，我们会将其视为战争行为，并且会开战。因此，我认为推翻亲俄罗斯政府并安插极端民族主义纳粹分子，然后继续无视北约本应在俄罗斯在 90 年代解体时解散，而不是继续吸收东欧国家的事实，这是需要了解的历史原因。顿巴斯的人不想成为乌克兰的任何部分，这对我来说非常有道理。就像克里米亚一样。我认为普京和俄罗斯正在做的是我们在相同情况下也会做的事情，不这么想是愚蠢的。我认为西方媒体正在把这个人钉在十字架上，而美国人对此一无所知，因为我们都是愚蠢的。不要费心去调查发生了什么以及为什么会发生，他们只会接受 CNN 塞进他们喉咙里的任何东西并且相信该死的美国政府。
Right the 2014 coup? We taking any responsibility for that? How about the fact that 76% of ukrainians speak Russian in their homes? What about the 8-year shelling of the Don Bass? I know this for a fact if Russia set up a missile defense system in let's say Toronto or Mexico City we would take that as an Act of War and it would be on. So I think ousting the Russian friendly government and installing Ultra nationalist Nazis then proceeding to ignore the fact that NATO should have been dissolved when Russian fell apart in the 90s instead of continuing to absorb Eastern European countries is knowing what the history is. The people in the Don Bass don't want any part of Ukraine and that makes perfect sense to me. Just like Crimea does. I think Putin and Russia are doing exactly what we would do the same situation and it's ignorant to think otherwise. I think the Western media is crucifying the man and Americans are ignorant about it why because we're collectively stupid. Don't be bothered about looking into what goes on and why it goes on they just take whatever CNN shoves down their throats anr trust the freaking US government
对 2014 年的政变我们有承担任何责任吗？76% 的乌克兰人在家里说俄语，这一事实你又怎么看？对顿巴斯8 年的炮击呢？我知道的一个事实是，如果俄罗斯在比如说多伦多或墨西哥城建立导弹防御系统，我们会将其视为战争行为，并且会开战。因此，我认为推翻亲俄罗斯政府并安插极端民族主义纳粹分子，然后继续无视北约本应在俄罗斯在 90 年代解体时解散，而不是继续吸收东欧国家的事实，这是需要了解的历史原因。顿巴斯的人不想成为乌克兰的任何部分，这对我来说非常有道理。就像克里米亚一样。我认为普京和俄罗斯正在做的是我们在相同情况下也会做的事情，不这么想是愚蠢的。我认为西方媒体正在把这个人钉在十字架上，而美国人对此一无所知，因为我们都是愚蠢的。不要费心去调查发生了什么以及为什么会发生，他们只会接受 CNN 塞进他们喉咙里的任何东西并且相信该死的美国政府。
Great-Flounder-6458
This comment is Russian imperialism justification bingo.
这条评论是为俄罗斯帝国主义辩护的宾果游戏。
This comment is Russian imperialism justification bingo.
这条评论是为俄罗斯帝国主义辩护的宾果游戏。
rdrigrail
What part is wrong?
哪一部分是错误的？
What part is wrong?
哪一部分是错误的？
IsItAnOud
Only most of it. Ultranationalist Nazis in power, the "evil Ukraine shelling the civilians" and totally not the on holiday Russian soldiers sent to infiltrate and stir a "civil" war like they did in Crimea. Of course there they fucked up and made it obvious by shooting down an airliner.
It's all straight up Kremlin talking points.
大部分。“极端民族主义的纳粹掌权”，“邪恶的乌克兰炮击平民”，装作乌克兰炮击的好像不是来顿巴斯“度假”顺便搞搞渗透和挑起“内战”的俄罗斯士兵。他们想把用在克里米亚那套再来一遍，当然，这次他们搞砸了，并通过击落了一架客机使这一结论显而易见。
这些都是克里姆林宫的宣传要点。
Only most of it. Ultranationalist Nazis in power, the "evil Ukraine shelling the civilians" and totally not the on holiday Russian soldiers sent to infiltrate and stir a "civil" war like they did in Crimea. Of course there they fucked up and made it obvious by shooting down an airliner.
It's all straight up Kremlin talking points.
大部分。“极端民族主义的纳粹掌权”，“邪恶的乌克兰炮击平民”，装作乌克兰炮击的好像不是来顿巴斯“度假”顺便搞搞渗透和挑起“内战”的俄罗斯士兵。他们想把用在克里米亚那套再来一遍，当然，这次他们搞砸了，并通过击落了一架客机使这一结论显而易见。
这些都是克里姆林宫的宣传要点。
MrMarmot
Russia has never given any evidence, through word or action, towards anything resembling imperialism, especially when compared to the U.S. and NATO.
俄罗斯从未通过言语或行动提供任何类似帝国主义的证据，尤其是与美国和北约相比时。
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Russia has never given any evidence, through word or action, towards anything resembling imperialism, especially when compared to the U.S. and NATO.
俄罗斯从未通过言语或行动提供任何类似帝国主义的证据，尤其是与美国和北约相比时。
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Great-Flounder-6458
The definition of imperialism is: "a policy of extending a country's power and influence through diplomacy or military force." Invading a country and attempting to annex territory and take over the government is the epitome of imperialism. Just because western countries have done imperialistic things does not mean Russia can't too. Not to mention in many ways this war is a continuation of centuries of Russian imperialism which began with the Russian empire. Do you really believe Russia became the biggest country on earth without imperialism?
帝国主义的定义是：“通过外交或军事力量扩大国家实力和影响力”。侵略一个国家，企图吞并领土，夺取政权，这是帝国主义的缩影。仅仅因为西方国家做了帝国主义的事情，并不意味着俄罗斯就不能。更不用说这场战争在很多方面都是从俄罗斯帝国开始的几个世纪的俄罗斯帝国主义的延续。你真的相信俄罗斯在没有帝国主义的情况下成为地球上最大的国家吗？
The definition of imperialism is: "a policy of extending a country's power and influence through diplomacy or military force." Invading a country and attempting to annex territory and take over the government is the epitome of imperialism. Just because western countries have done imperialistic things does not mean Russia can't too. Not to mention in many ways this war is a continuation of centuries of Russian imperialism which began with the Russian empire. Do you really believe Russia became the biggest country on earth without imperialism?
帝国主义的定义是：“通过外交或军事力量扩大国家实力和影响力”。侵略一个国家，企图吞并领土，夺取政权，这是帝国主义的缩影。仅仅因为西方国家做了帝国主义的事情，并不意味着俄罗斯就不能。更不用说这场战争在很多方面都是从俄罗斯帝国开始的几个世纪的俄罗斯帝国主义的延续。你真的相信俄罗斯在没有帝国主义的情况下成为地球上最大的国家吗？
MrMarmot
Since the end of the U.S.S.R., what I wrote was true. They have been continuously put in reactive stances against the West's attempts to extend its power and influence, by various means, but with ever diminishing diplomacy.
自苏联解体以来，我写的都是真实的情况。他们不断地对西方试图通过各种方式扩大其权力和影响力的企图做出反应，只是外交手段却越来越少。
Since the end of the U.S.S.R., what I wrote was true. They have been continuously put in reactive stances against the West's attempts to extend its power and influence, by various means, but with ever diminishing diplomacy.
自苏联解体以来，我写的都是真实的情况。他们不断地对西方试图通过各种方式扩大其权力和影响力的企图做出反应，只是外交手段却越来越少。
Rocketman7158
So seperatists in ukraine good
But seperatists in the former soviet unx bad?
所以乌克兰的分离主义者是很好的
但前苏联的分裂分子就是不好的？
So seperatists in ukraine good
But seperatists in the former soviet unx bad?
所以乌克兰的分离主义者是很好的
但前苏联的分裂分子就是不好的？
Great-Flounder-6458
This exact mentality that Russia has some "right" over Eastern Europe is an imperialistic one. The countries of Eastern Europe, whether they be the Baltics, Moldova, Georgia, or Ukraine, have been independent countries since the end of the Soviet unx. They all voted overwhelmingly in favour of it (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1292544/ussr-independence-referendums/). These countries have the right to apply to join NATO or the EU and that does not give Russia any right to invade.
这种认为俄罗斯对东欧拥有某种“权利”的心态正是一种帝国主义心态。东欧国家，无论是波罗的海国家、摩尔多瓦、格鲁吉亚还是乌克兰，自苏联解体以来都是独立国家。他们都以压倒性多数投票赞成 ( https://www.statista.com/statistics/1292544/ussr-independence-referendums/ )。
这些国家有权申请加入北约或欧盟，但这并不能赋予俄罗斯任何入侵的权利。
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This exact mentality that Russia has some "right" over Eastern Europe is an imperialistic one. The countries of Eastern Europe, whether they be the Baltics, Moldova, Georgia, or Ukraine, have been independent countries since the end of the Soviet unx. They all voted overwhelmingly in favour of it (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1292544/ussr-independence-referendums/). These countries have the right to apply to join NATO or the EU and that does not give Russia any right to invade.
这种认为俄罗斯对东欧拥有某种“权利”的心态正是一种帝国主义心态。东欧国家，无论是波罗的海国家、摩尔多瓦、格鲁吉亚还是乌克兰，自苏联解体以来都是独立国家。他们都以压倒性多数投票赞成 ( https://www.statista.com/statistics/1292544/ussr-independence-referendums/ )。
这些国家有权申请加入北约或欧盟，但这并不能赋予俄罗斯任何入侵的权利。
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TSLA240c
I’ve looked into it extensively and there is so much certifiably wrong with what you’ve claimed.
The most amusing part for me is even if it were all true, none of it changes the fact that Putin is a Fascists dictator invading a sovereign nation that held a free and fair election in 2019 causing hundreds of thousands of deaths a year. None of it gives the US any reason to not send lethal aid to capitalize on Russia’s misstep.
我已经对这件事进行了广泛的调查，你所声称的有很多可以证明的错误。
对我来说最有趣的部分是，即使这一切都是真的，也没有改变普京是法西斯独裁者的事实，他入侵了一个主权国家--该国家在 2019 年举行了自由公正的选举--每年造成数十万人死亡。这些都没有给美国任何理由不给乌克兰提供致命援助以利用俄罗斯的失误。
I’ve looked into it extensively and there is so much certifiably wrong with what you’ve claimed.
The most amusing part for me is even if it were all true, none of it changes the fact that Putin is a Fascists dictator invading a sovereign nation that held a free and fair election in 2019 causing hundreds of thousands of deaths a year. None of it gives the US any reason to not send lethal aid to capitalize on Russia’s misstep.
我已经对这件事进行了广泛的调查，你所声称的有很多可以证明的错误。
对我来说最有趣的部分是，即使这一切都是真的，也没有改变普京是法西斯独裁者的事实，他入侵了一个主权国家--该国家在 2019 年举行了自由公正的选举--每年造成数十万人死亡。这些都没有给美国任何理由不给乌克兰提供致命援助以利用俄罗斯的失误。
rdrigrail
You claim "you've looked into it" and so much is certifiably wrong. Care to point out what I stated that is wrong?
The fact that this country is falling into ruin and Inflation is rampant is enough not to send AID when we need AID at home.
你声称"你已经调查过了"，有很多东西是可以证明是错误的。你能指出我说的哪些地方是错的吗？
这个国家正在走向毁灭，通货膨胀猖獗，这足以让我们在国内需要援助的时候不给乌克兰发送援助。
You claim "you've looked into it" and so much is certifiably wrong. Care to point out what I stated that is wrong?
The fact that this country is falling into ruin and Inflation is rampant is enough not to send AID when we need AID at home.
你声称"你已经调查过了"，有很多东西是可以证明是错误的。你能指出我说的哪些地方是错的吗？
这个国家正在走向毁灭，通货膨胀猖獗，这足以让我们在国内需要援助的时候不给乌克兰发送援助。
TSLA240c
2014 has nothing to do with 2019 or 2022.
Ukrainians whether they speak Russian or not are clearly showing they do not want to be part of Russia.
The 8-years of shelling was largely in the wale of 2014 because the Russian military moved in ousted the Ukrainian officials and started arming and training separatists.
America is not falling apart
Inflation is a global issue
We have more then enough means to aid Ukraine and Ohio is that shit bag Republican governor would stop playing politics.
Happy?
2014年的事情与2019年或2022年毫无关系。
乌克兰人无论是否讲俄语，都清楚地表明他们不希望成为俄罗斯的一部分。
8年的炮击主要发生在2014年，因为俄罗斯军队进驻后赶走了乌克兰官员，并开始武装和训练分离分子。
美国没有分崩离析
通货膨胀是一个全球性问题
我们有足够的手段来援助乌克兰，俄亥俄州是那个傻逼共和党州长在玩弄政治。
满意了吗？
2014 has nothing to do with 2019 or 2022.
Ukrainians whether they speak Russian or not are clearly showing they do not want to be part of Russia.
The 8-years of shelling was largely in the wale of 2014 because the Russian military moved in ousted the Ukrainian officials and started arming and training separatists.
America is not falling apart
Inflation is a global issue
We have more then enough means to aid Ukraine and Ohio is that shit bag Republican governor would stop playing politics.
Happy?
2014年的事情与2019年或2022年毫无关系。
乌克兰人无论是否讲俄语，都清楚地表明他们不希望成为俄罗斯的一部分。
8年的炮击主要发生在2014年，因为俄罗斯军队进驻后赶走了乌克兰官员，并开始武装和训练分离分子。
美国没有分崩离析
通货膨胀是一个全球性问题
我们有足够的手段来援助乌克兰，俄亥俄州是那个傻逼共和党州长在玩弄政治。
满意了吗？
rdrigrail
2014 has everything to do with it. That is when the 2010 democratically elected Russian-friendly president was ousted by ultra-nationalists backed by western NGO's, John McCain (and other important western politicians) and IC actors. You can actually trace our meddling in Ukraine back to the 50's and 60's replete with proof from released classified U.S. documents. Your statement is ignorant.
Tell the people in the Donbas about their desire to be a part of Russia.....oh wait....they already voted on it and said they wanted to join them. Kinda makes sense since they were previously a Russian State. Shocking as it may seem Russian-speaking descendants of Russia who do business with Russia and interact with them daily may want to be part of Russia as opposed to the western-installed fascist government that shelled (civilians) them for 8 years after the coup. Crazy right?
2014 年的事情与此息息相关。那是在 2010 年民主选举的对俄罗斯友好的总统被西方非政府组织约翰麦凯恩（和其他重要的西方政治家）支持的极端民族主义者罢免的时候。你实际上可以追溯到 50 年代和 60 年代我们对乌克兰的干涉，这些证据来自美国公开的机密文件。你的说法是无知的。
你去跟顿巴斯的人说你们其实不想加入俄罗斯...哦等等，他们已经进行了投票并表示他们想加入。这其实说得通，因为他们以前同属一个俄罗斯国家。与俄罗斯做生意并每天与他们交往的俄罗斯后裔可能希望成为俄罗斯的一部分，而不是西方控制的在政变后炮击他们（平民）8年的法西斯政府的一部分，真是让人震惊啊。很疯狂对不对？
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2014 has everything to do with it. That is when the 2010 democratically elected Russian-friendly president was ousted by ultra-nationalists backed by western NGO's, John McCain (and other important western politicians) and IC actors. You can actually trace our meddling in Ukraine back to the 50's and 60's replete with proof from released classified U.S. documents. Your statement is ignorant.
Tell the people in the Donbas about their desire to be a part of Russia.....oh wait....they already voted on it and said they wanted to join them. Kinda makes sense since they were previously a Russian State. Shocking as it may seem Russian-speaking descendants of Russia who do business with Russia and interact with them daily may want to be part of Russia as opposed to the western-installed fascist government that shelled (civilians) them for 8 years after the coup. Crazy right?
2014 年的事情与此息息相关。那是在 2010 年民主选举的对俄罗斯友好的总统被西方非政府组织约翰麦凯恩（和其他重要的西方政治家）支持的极端民族主义者罢免的时候。你实际上可以追溯到 50 年代和 60 年代我们对乌克兰的干涉，这些证据来自美国公开的机密文件。你的说法是无知的。
你去跟顿巴斯的人说你们其实不想加入俄罗斯...哦等等，他们已经进行了投票并表示他们想加入。这其实说得通，因为他们以前同属一个俄罗斯国家。与俄罗斯做生意并每天与他们交往的俄罗斯后裔可能希望成为俄罗斯的一部分，而不是西方控制的在政变后炮击他们（平民）8年的法西斯政府的一部分，真是让人震惊啊。很疯狂对不对？
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America is not falling apart? Don't even know where to start on that completely insane statement. Rose-colored, ivory-towered - you name it but clearly you aren't paying attention or don't live here.
An issue that is and was driven by the global reserve currency of USD. It was plain as day when the FED started monetizing debt. Just because it is happening to the world doesn't mean it wasn't caused by the U.S. or wasn't started here.
No we don't. That is the an insane statement coming from a country 31 plus trillion dollars in debt.
No. Still looking for a true rebuttal.
美国没有分崩离析？甚至不知道从哪里开始吐槽这个完全疯狂的声明。玫瑰色的，象牙塔式的——随便你怎么说，但显然你没有注意或不住在这里。
这是一个由全球储备货币美元驱动的问题。当联邦储备委员会开始将债务货币化时，这就很明显了。仅仅因为它发生在世界上并不意味着它不是由美国造成的或不是从这里开始的。
不，我们没有。这是来自一个拥有 31 万亿美元债务的国家的疯狂声明。
不，等一个真正的反驳。
An issue that is and was driven by the global reserve currency of USD. It was plain as day when the FED started monetizing debt. Just because it is happening to the world doesn't mean it wasn't caused by the U.S. or wasn't started here.
No we don't. That is the an insane statement coming from a country 31 plus trillion dollars in debt.
No. Still looking for a true rebuttal.
美国没有分崩离析？甚至不知道从哪里开始吐槽这个完全疯狂的声明。玫瑰色的，象牙塔式的——随便你怎么说，但显然你没有注意或不住在这里。
这是一个由全球储备货币美元驱动的问题。当联邦储备委员会开始将债务货币化时，这就很明显了。仅仅因为它发生在世界上并不意味着它不是由美国造成的或不是从这里开始的。
不，我们没有。这是来自一个拥有 31 万亿美元债务的国家的疯狂声明。
不，等一个真正的反驳。
sharkweekk
How about the fact that 76% of ukrainians speak Russian in their homes?
A larger percentage of Americans speak English in their homes. Does that give the UK casus belli to invade?
“76% 的乌克兰人在家里说俄语”
更大比例的美国人在家里说英语。这是否给了英国入侵的宣战理由？
How about the fact that 76% of ukrainians speak Russian in their homes?
A larger percentage of Americans speak English in their homes. Does that give the UK casus belli to invade?
“76% 的乌克兰人在家里说俄语”
更大比例的美国人在家里说英语。这是否给了英国入侵的宣战理由？
GivenNameLastName
If you told a republican in 1980 that a future us president rallied the entire west against an aggressive Russia and exposed them without even committing a single us troop, and at the cost of just a small percentage of our military budget, they would tell you that guy is the second coming of Reagan.
If it were trump doing this, his cultists would be cheering of what a great and powerful leader he is how he could embarrass Russia while still keeping america out of war.
But because it's Biden, all of a sudden it's terrible that we aren't just letting an aggressive country take whatever land they want from weaker neighbors.
如果你在 1980 年告诉一位共和党人，在未来一位美国总统召集了整个西方反对侵略性的俄罗斯，并在没有派遣一支美国军队的情况下榨干了他们，而且只花费了我们军事预算的一小部分，他们会告诉你这家伙是里根二代。
如果是特朗普这样做，他的追随者会为他是一位多么伟大和强大的领导人而欢呼，他可以让俄罗斯难堪，同时还能让美国不打仗。
但因为是拜登，突然之间，我们就变成了不是在阻止一个侵略性的国家从较弱的邻国手中夺取他们想要的土地，这太可怕了。
If you told a republican in 1980 that a future us president rallied the entire west against an aggressive Russia and exposed them without even committing a single us troop, and at the cost of just a small percentage of our military budget, they would tell you that guy is the second coming of Reagan.
If it were trump doing this, his cultists would be cheering of what a great and powerful leader he is how he could embarrass Russia while still keeping america out of war.
But because it's Biden, all of a sudden it's terrible that we aren't just letting an aggressive country take whatever land they want from weaker neighbors.
如果你在 1980 年告诉一位共和党人，在未来一位美国总统召集了整个西方反对侵略性的俄罗斯，并在没有派遣一支美国军队的情况下榨干了他们，而且只花费了我们军事预算的一小部分，他们会告诉你这家伙是里根二代。
如果是特朗普这样做，他的追随者会为他是一位多么伟大和强大的领导人而欢呼，他可以让俄罗斯难堪，同时还能让美国不打仗。
但因为是拜登，突然之间，我们就变成了不是在阻止一个侵略性的国家从较弱的邻国手中夺取他们想要的土地，这太可怕了。
rreyes1988
Not to mention that Russia hacked the GOP and DNC leading up to the 2016 elections, a literal attack on the U.S., but the GOP don't mind since only the left was harmed as a result.
更不用说俄罗斯在 2016 年大选前攻击了共和党和民主党全国委员会，这是对美国的字面攻击，但共和党并不介意，因为只有左派因此受到伤害。
Not to mention that Russia hacked the GOP and DNC leading up to the 2016 elections, a literal attack on the U.S., but the GOP don't mind since only the left was harmed as a result.
更不用说俄罗斯在 2016 年大选前攻击了共和党和民主党全国委员会，这是对美国的字面攻击，但共和党并不介意，因为只有左派因此受到伤害。
WashboardForehead
You're getting downvoted, but you're right. There's a reason only the DNC emails were leaked and that's because Putin hates Hillary and wanted Trump in office instead. Hillary and Putin had an open rivalry leading up to the election.
你被点踩了，但你说的是对的。只有 DNC（注：2016年美国民主党全国委员会邮件泄密事件）的电子邮件被泄露是有原因的，那是因为普京讨厌希拉里，希望特朗普上任。希拉里和普京在大选前已经公开敌对。
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You're getting downvoted, but you're right. There's a reason only the DNC emails were leaked and that's because Putin hates Hillary and wanted Trump in office instead. Hillary and Putin had an open rivalry leading up to the election.
你被点踩了，但你说的是对的。只有 DNC（注：2016年美国民主党全国委员会邮件泄密事件）的电子邮件被泄露是有原因的，那是因为普京讨厌希拉里，希望特朗普上任。希拉里和普京在大选前已经公开敌对。
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Foriegn_Picachu
They wanted the more divisive president in office, and they got their wish
他们想要一个更加制造分裂的总统，他们如愿以偿
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They wanted the more divisive president in office, and they got their wish
他们想要一个更加制造分裂的总统，他们如愿以偿
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illuminati_doge
Wonder what was said during the discussion that trump had with putin during his visit to finland which there are no transcxts or records of
想知道特朗普在访问芬兰期间与普京的讨论中说了什么，没有任何文字记录或记载
Wonder what was said during the discussion that trump had with putin during his visit to finland which there are no transcxts or records of
想知道特朗普在访问芬兰期间与普京的讨论中说了什么，没有任何文字记录或记载
thealienelite
Was there definitive proof that it was Russia or was that just the narrative?
是否有确凿的证据表明这是俄罗斯干的，或者这只是一种叙事？
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Was there definitive proof that it was Russia or was that just the narrative?
是否有确凿的证据表明这是俄罗斯干的，或者这只是一种叙事？
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danielro1
Russia hacked the GOP and DNC
Lmao ... all elections in US have been hacked, someone might say stolen, since after Nov 1963. No different in 2016 or 2020, or before. The government is not being elected, they're sexted. Until the people wake up and realize this, might as well go stock up on popcorn and watch the stupid show.
笑......自1963年11月以后，美国的所有选举都被黑了，有人会说是被偷了。在2016年或2020年，或之前，没有什么不同。政府不是被选举出来的，而是被钦定的。在人们觉醒并认识到这一点之前，不妨去囤积爆米花，观看这场愚蠢的表演。
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Russia hacked the GOP and DNC
Lmao ... all elections in US have been hacked, someone might say stolen, since after Nov 1963. No different in 2016 or 2020, or before. The government is not being elected, they're sexted. Until the people wake up and realize this, might as well go stock up on popcorn and watch the stupid show.
笑......自1963年11月以后，美国的所有选举都被黑了，有人会说是被偷了。在2016年或2020年，或之前，没有什么不同。政府不是被选举出来的，而是被钦定的。在人们觉醒并认识到这一点之前，不妨去囤积爆米花，观看这场愚蠢的表演。
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mormontofbearisland
We spent 5% of our military budget to reduce Russian forces by 50%. That’s a massive ROI and didn’t cost a single American life.
我们花费了 5% 的军事预算来减少了50%的俄罗斯军队。这是一个巨大的投资回报率，而且没有让一个美国人丧生。
We spent 5% of our military budget to reduce Russian forces by 50%. That’s a massive ROI and didn’t cost a single American life.
我们花费了 5% 的军事预算来减少了50%的俄罗斯军队。这是一个巨大的投资回报率，而且没有让一个美国人丧生。
sharlsleclaire
ROI eh? Typical American terrorist mentality. You use Ukraine as a battering ram for your greed purpose, innocent Ukrainians dead, you finance Nazi, ISIS, in Ukraine, all while shamelessly lecturing the world about human rights...
You and your country are scums of the earth.
There were Americans turned into soil fertilizer there. You guys should send more.
投资回报率是吗？典型的美国恐怖主义心态。你利用乌克兰作为你的贪婪目的的攻城锤，无辜的乌克兰人在死去，你在乌克兰资助纳粹，资助伊斯兰国，同时无耻地向世界宣讲人权......
你和你的国家都是地球上的败类。
在那里有美国人变成了土壤肥料。你们应该发送更多过来。
ROI eh? Typical American terrorist mentality. You use Ukraine as a battering ram for your greed purpose, innocent Ukrainians dead, you finance Nazi, ISIS, in Ukraine, all while shamelessly lecturing the world about human rights...
You and your country are scums of the earth.
There were Americans turned into soil fertilizer there. You guys should send more.
投资回报率是吗？典型的美国恐怖主义心态。你利用乌克兰作为你的贪婪目的的攻城锤，无辜的乌克兰人在死去，你在乌克兰资助纳粹，资助伊斯兰国，同时无耻地向世界宣讲人权......
你和你的国家都是地球上的败类。
在那里有美国人变成了土壤肥料。你们应该发送更多过来。
ManOfDrinks
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mormontofbearisland
Yes we’re terrorizing poor defenseless Putin who’s never done anything wrong.
是的，我们正在恐吓可怜的手无寸铁的普京，他从来没有做错任何事。
Yes we’re terrorizing poor defenseless Putin who’s never done anything wrong.
是的，我们正在恐吓可怜的手无寸铁的普京，他从来没有做错任何事。
thealienelite
To be fair most of us reasonable people are anti-war. Short of a revolution, we have zero control over what our government does.
公平地说，我们大多数理性的人都是反战的。但除非发生革命，否则我们对政府行为的控制为零。
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To be fair most of us reasonable people are anti-war. Short of a revolution, we have zero control over what our government does.
公平地说，我们大多数理性的人都是反战的。但除非发生革命，否则我们对政府行为的控制为零。
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Wycked_x
Lol except of course the American mercenaries and special ops. Not to mention strangely all these « Ukrainian soliders » have American and UK accents and speak English. How can you even lie like that?
呵呵，当然除了美国雇佣兵和特种部队。更不用说奇怪的是，所有这些“乌克兰士兵”都有美国和英国口音并说英语。你怎么能这样撒谎呢？
Lol except of course the American mercenaries and special ops. Not to mention strangely all these « Ukrainian soliders » have American and UK accents and speak English. How can you even lie like that?
呵呵，当然除了美国雇佣兵和特种部队。更不用说奇怪的是，所有这些“乌克兰士兵”都有美国和英国口音并说英语。你怎么能这样撒谎呢？
Jaeger__85
Lol stop sniffing Russian propaganda.
呵呵，停止吸收俄罗斯的宣传。
Lol stop sniffing Russian propaganda.
呵呵，停止吸收俄罗斯的宣传。
WashboardForehead
Lmao and the guys in the Russian uniforms using Russian military equipment are totally Ukrainians looking to join Russia and not just debadged Russian soldiers.
Stop lying ffs.
呵呵，那些穿着俄罗斯制服、使用俄罗斯军事装备的人完全是希望加入俄罗斯的乌克兰人，而不仅仅是隐藏身份的俄罗斯士兵呢。
别说谎了。
Lmao and the guys in the Russian uniforms using Russian military equipment are totally Ukrainians looking to join Russia and not just debadged Russian soldiers.
Stop lying ffs.
呵呵，那些穿着俄罗斯制服、使用俄罗斯军事装备的人完全是希望加入俄罗斯的乌克兰人，而不仅仅是隐藏身份的俄罗斯士兵呢。
别说谎了。
Bill_J_
Ukraine is totally worth it.
对乌克兰的援助是完全值得的。
Ukraine is totally worth it.
对乌克兰的援助是完全值得的。
yibtk
Government dont fight for Ukraine, they want to see Putin fall
政府不为乌克兰而战，他们希望看到普京垮台
Government dont fight for Ukraine, they want to see Putin fall
政府不为乌克兰而战，他们希望看到普京垮台
Bron_ogrely
If Russian is allowed to go unchecked in Ukraine then it's stands to reason they will eventually try to get back the entirety of the soviet unx. Pretty cut and dry. Thank Trump and congress for the train disaster.
如果允许俄罗斯在乌克兰不受控制，那么他们最终会试图夺回整个苏维埃联盟。相当肯定。感谢特朗普和国会带来的火车灾难。
If Russian is allowed to go unchecked in Ukraine then it's stands to reason they will eventually try to get back the entirety of the soviet unx. Pretty cut and dry. Thank Trump and congress for the train disaster.
如果允许俄罗斯在乌克兰不受控制，那么他们最终会试图夺回整个苏维埃联盟。相当肯定。感谢特朗普和国会带来的火车灾难。
the-warbaby
completely agree. putin wants to reinstate russia as a superpower. first place to begin is to take over the countries that were freed when the ussr collapsed. unfortunately for putin, those countries are fiercely patriotic and very determined to keep their independence.
完全同意。普京想恢复俄罗斯的超级大国地位。首先是接管苏联解体时获得自由的国家。对于普京来说不幸的是，这些国家都非常爱国，而且下定决心要保持独立。
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completely agree. putin wants to reinstate russia as a superpower. first place to begin is to take over the countries that were freed when the ussr collapsed. unfortunately for putin, those countries are fiercely patriotic and very determined to keep their independence.
完全同意。普京想恢复俄罗斯的超级大国地位。首先是接管苏联解体时获得自由的国家。对于普京来说不幸的是，这些国家都非常爱国，而且下定决心要保持独立。
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10foldLucidDreams
To bring down Russia, to win the economy battle, Americans started this war, America is the one using Ukraine that’s why they’re pouring billions into a non NATO country. America is full or propaganda and lies
为了打倒俄罗斯，为了赢得经济战，美国人发动了这场战争，美国在利用乌克兰战争，这就是为什么他们向一个非北约国家投入数十亿美元。美国充满了宣传和谎言。
To bring down Russia, to win the economy battle, Americans started this war, America is the one using Ukraine that’s why they’re pouring billions into a non NATO country. America is full or propaganda and lies
为了打倒俄罗斯，为了赢得经济战，美国人发动了这场战争，美国在利用乌克兰战争，这就是为什么他们向一个非北约国家投入数十亿美元。美国充满了宣传和谎言。
KhuzaitM777
America forced Putin to invade?
Wow, Putin is a lot weaker than we thought.
所以是美国强迫普京入侵？
哇，普京比我们想象的要弱得多。
America forced Putin to invade?
Wow, Putin is a lot weaker than we thought.
所以是美国强迫普京入侵？
哇，普京比我们想象的要弱得多。
MysteriousRoad5733
This didn’t start with the Russian invasion. Are you familiar with the CIA coup in 2014? Have you seen how Ukraine has treated ethnic Russians in Donbas?
The people telling you thet this is all Russian aggression are the same people that told us the vaccines are “safe and effective”. The same people that tell us we have a climate emergency , while they buy beachfront properties. The same people that tell us ukraines borders must be respected have left our southern border wide open for whoever wants to invite themselves in. The same people that say white supremacy is our biggest threat.
I could go on and on. Surely you see there is a pattern ?
这并不是从俄罗斯的入侵开始的。你熟悉2014年中情局的政变吗？你看到乌克兰是如何对待顿巴斯的俄罗斯族人的吗？
那些告诉你这都是俄罗斯侵略的人，和告诉我们疫苗"安全有效"的是一拨人。和那些告诉我们我们气候情况紧急，却在购买海滨房产的是一拨人。和那些告诉我们必须尊重乌克兰边界的人，却让我们的南部边界大开，让任何人随便进入的是一拨人。和那些说白人至上主义是我们最大威胁的人是一拨人。
我可以继续说下去。你肯定看到有蹊跷了吧？
This didn’t start with the Russian invasion. Are you familiar with the CIA coup in 2014? Have you seen how Ukraine has treated ethnic Russians in Donbas?
The people telling you thet this is all Russian aggression are the same people that told us the vaccines are “safe and effective”. The same people that tell us we have a climate emergency , while they buy beachfront properties. The same people that tell us ukraines borders must be respected have left our southern border wide open for whoever wants to invite themselves in. The same people that say white supremacy is our biggest threat.
I could go on and on. Surely you see there is a pattern ?
这并不是从俄罗斯的入侵开始的。你熟悉2014年中情局的政变吗？你看到乌克兰是如何对待顿巴斯的俄罗斯族人的吗？
那些告诉你这都是俄罗斯侵略的人，和告诉我们疫苗"安全有效"的是一拨人。和那些告诉我们我们气候情况紧急，却在购买海滨房产的是一拨人。和那些告诉我们必须尊重乌克兰边界的人，却让我们的南部边界大开，让任何人随便进入的是一拨人。和那些说白人至上主义是我们最大威胁的人是一拨人。
我可以继续说下去。你肯定看到有蹊跷了吧？
imswol84
This is the only reply that makes sense and its downvoted the most. why is the conspiracy thread full of pro-war, pro-msm leftist now? I even saw a comment saying that people who DONT believe in the mainstream news are sheep. realy 1984 shit. wtf is going on here?
这是唯一有道理的回复，也是被点踩最多的回复。为什么现在充满了支持战争、支持主流媒体的左派阴谋论？我甚至看到有评论说不相信主流新闻的人都是羊。真他妈的1984成真了。 这他妈到底是怎么回事？
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This is the only reply that makes sense and its downvoted the most. why is the conspiracy thread full of pro-war, pro-msm leftist now? I even saw a comment saying that people who DONT believe in the mainstream news are sheep. realy 1984 shit. wtf is going on here?
这是唯一有道理的回复，也是被点踩最多的回复。为什么现在充满了支持战争、支持主流媒体的左派阴谋论？我甚至看到有评论说不相信主流新闻的人都是羊。真他妈的1984成真了。 这他妈到底是怎么回事？
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MysteriousRoad5733
They are propagandists. They believe MSM and government would not lie, or if they did, they’re too smart to be fooled. You are exactly right. - 1984 stuff. Doubtful they’ve read it.
他们是宣传员。他们相信主流媒体和政府不会说谎，或者即使说了谎，他们也觉得自己非常聪明，不会被愚弄。你说的完全正确。 这就是1984 。我怀疑他们是否读过它。
They are propagandists. They believe MSM and government would not lie, or if they did, they’re too smart to be fooled. You are exactly right. - 1984 stuff. Doubtful they’ve read it.
他们是宣传员。他们相信主流媒体和政府不会说谎，或者即使说了谎，他们也觉得自己非常聪明，不会被愚弄。你说的完全正确。 这就是1984 。我怀疑他们是否读过它。
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