苏纳克称英国“随时准备支持所有盟友”“现在”就向基辅提供战斗机
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(Irpin was the focus of intense Russian attacks lasting day and night for many weeks.)
（伊尔平是俄罗斯持续数周日以继夜的密集攻击的焦点。）
新闻：
Ukraine war: Rishi Sunak says UK stands 'ready to support all allies' to provide fighter jets to Kyiv 'now'
-Countries in the West must "double down" on military support for Ukraine, the British prime minister tells the Munich Security Conference.
乌克兰战争：苏纳克称英国“随时准备支持所有盟友”“现在”就向基辅提供战斗机
——英国首相在慕尼黑安全会议上表示，西方国家必须“加倍”对乌克兰的军事支持。
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-Countries in the West must "double down" on military support for Ukraine, the British prime minister tells the Munich Security Conference.
乌克兰战争：苏纳克称英国“随时准备支持所有盟友”“现在”就向基辅提供战斗机
——英国首相在慕尼黑安全会议上表示，西方国家必须“加倍”对乌克兰的军事支持。
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(Irpin was the focus of intense Russian attacks lasting day and night for many weeks.)
（伊尔平是俄罗斯持续数周日以继夜的密集攻击的焦点。）
新闻：
Rishi Sunak has said the UK stands "ready to support all allies if they can provide fighter jets to Ukraine now".
里希·苏纳克表示，英国“随时准备支持所有盟友，如果他们现在能向乌克兰提供战斗机的话”。
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里希·苏纳克表示，英国“随时准备支持所有盟友，如果他们现在能向乌克兰提供战斗机的话”。
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Speaking at the Munich Security Conference, he said the UK was already "leading" on training Ukrainian fighter jet pilots and reiterated his call for allies to "double down" in support.
他在慕尼黑安全会议上发表讲话时表示，英国已经在培训乌克兰战斗机飞行员方面“处于领先地位”，并重申他呼吁盟国“加大”支持力度。
他在慕尼黑安全会议上发表讲话时表示，英国已经在培训乌克兰战斗机飞行员方面“处于领先地位”，并重申他呼吁盟国“加大”支持力度。
Earlier, Mr Sunak said it was "entirely reasonable" for NATO to provide longer-range weapons to Ukraine so it could "have a counter-offensive that moves Russia outside of its own country".
早些时候，苏纳克表示，北约向乌克兰提供远程武器是“完全合理的”，这样它就可以“进行反攻，把俄罗斯赶出自己的国家”。
早些时候，苏纳克表示，北约向乌克兰提供远程武器是“完全合理的”，这样它就可以“进行反攻，把俄罗斯赶出自己的国家”。
When asked if the UK would send weapons that could target Crimea, which was annexed by the Russians in 2014, he said NATO must help Kyiv gain a decisive advantage on the battlefield with heavy tanks, air defence, artillery and long-range weapons.
当被问及英国是否会派遣可能针对克里米亚（该地于2014年被俄罗斯吞并）的武器时，他表示，北约必须通过重型坦克、防空系统、火炮和远程武器，帮助基辅在战场上获得决定性优势。
当被问及英国是否会派遣可能针对克里米亚（该地于2014年被俄罗斯吞并）的武器时，他表示，北约必须通过重型坦克、防空系统、火炮和远程武器，帮助基辅在战场上获得决定性优势。
"Those are all the things that will allow Ukraine to defend itself and repel Russian aggression," Mr Sunak said.
“这些都将使乌克兰能够自卫并击退俄罗斯的侵略，”苏纳克表示。
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“这些都将使乌克兰能够自卫并击退俄罗斯的侵略，”苏纳克表示。
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"And, indeed, yes, to have a counter-offensive that moves Russia outside of its own country. I think that's entirely reasonable and we should be fully behind Ukraine in that ambition, and want that ambition to succeed."
他说：“的确，是的，要进行反攻，让俄罗斯离开乌克兰人的国家。我认为这是完全合理的，我们应该全力支持乌克兰的这一雄心，并希望这一雄心能够成功。”
他说：“的确，是的，要进行反攻，让俄罗斯离开乌克兰人的国家。我认为这是完全合理的，我们应该全力支持乌克兰的这一雄心，并希望这一雄心能够成功。”
Mr Sunak gave a speech to world leaders at the conference, telling them: "Our collective efforts are making a difference. But with every day that passes, Russian forces inflict yet more pain and suffering."
苏纳克在大会上向世界领导人发表演讲，告诉他们：“我们的共同努力正在产生影响。但每过一天，俄罗斯军队就会制造更多的痛苦和苦难。”
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苏纳克在大会上向世界领导人发表演讲，告诉他们：“我们的共同努力正在产生影响。但每过一天，俄罗斯军队就会制造更多的痛苦和苦难。”
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"Now the only way to change that is for Ukraine to win," he added.
“现在改变这种局面的唯一办法就是乌克兰获胜，”他补充说。
“现在改变这种局面的唯一办法就是乌克兰获胜，”他补充说。
He revealed that the UK and its allies were working to give Ukraine "advanced air defence systems" and would help it to train and build the air force it needs to defend itself.
他透露，英国及其盟国正在努力为乌克兰提供“先进的防空系统”，并将帮助乌克兰训练和建设自卫所需的空军。
他透露，英国及其盟国正在努力为乌克兰提供“先进的防空系统”，并将帮助乌克兰训练和建设自卫所需的空军。
"Together we must help Ukraine to shield its cities from Russian bombs and Iranian drones."
“我们必须一起帮助乌克兰保护其城市免受俄罗斯炸弹和伊朗无人机的袭击。”
“我们必须一起帮助乌克兰保护其城市免受俄罗斯炸弹和伊朗无人机的袭击。”
"Of course, the United Kingdom stands ready to help any country provide planes that Ukraine can use today. But we must also train Ukrainian pilots to use the most advanced jets," he said.
“当然，英国随时准备帮助任何国家提供乌克兰现在可以使用的飞机。但我们也必须训练乌克兰飞行员使用最先进的喷气式飞机。”
“当然，英国随时准备帮助任何国家提供乌克兰现在可以使用的飞机。但我们也必须训练乌克兰飞行员使用最先进的喷气式飞机。”
The prime mister also said that the whole world must hold Russia to account and that "to win the peace, we also need to rebuild the international order on which our collective security depends".
这位总理还表示，整个世界必须让俄罗斯承担责任，“为了赢得和平，我们还需要重建我们集体安全所依赖的国际秩序”。
这位总理还表示，整个世界必须让俄罗斯承担责任，“为了赢得和平，我们还需要重建我们集体安全所依赖的国际秩序”。
"First, that means upholding international law," he said. "The whole world must hold Russia to account. We must see justice through the ICC for their sickening war crimes committed, whether in Bucha, Irpen, Mariupol or beyond, and Russia must also be held to account for the terrible destruction it has inflicted."
“首先，这意味着维护国际法，”他说。“全世界都必须让俄罗斯承担责任。我们必须通过国际刑事法院就他们所犯下的令人作呕的战争罪行伸张正义，无论是在布查、伊尔彭、马里乌波尔还是其他地方，俄罗斯也必须为其造成的可怕破坏负责。”
“首先，这意味着维护国际法，”他说。“全世界都必须让俄罗斯承担责任。我们必须通过国际刑事法院就他们所犯下的令人作呕的战争罪行伸张正义，无论是在布查、伊尔彭、马里乌波尔还是其他地方，俄罗斯也必须为其造成的可怕破坏负责。”
He added: "Second, the treaties and agreements of the post-Cold War era have failed Ukraine, so we need a new frxwork for its long-term security."
他补充说：“其次，后冷战时代的条约和协议令乌克兰失望，因此我们需要一个新的框架来保障乌克兰的长期安全。”
他补充说：“其次，后冷战时代的条约和协议令乌克兰失望，因此我们需要一个新的框架来保障乌克兰的长期安全。”
A new NATO charter should be set up to help protect Ukraine from future Russian aggression, he said.
他说，应该制定一个新的北约宪章，以帮助保护乌克兰不受俄罗斯未来的侵略。
他说，应该制定一个新的北约宪章，以帮助保护乌克兰不受俄罗斯未来的侵略。
Mr Sunak concluded by saying that "what's at stake in this war is even greater than the security and sovereignty of one nation. It's about the security and sovereignty of every nation.
苏纳克最后说：“这场战争的利害关系甚至超过了某一个国家的安全和主权。这关系到每个国家的安全和主权。
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苏纳克最后说：“这场战争的利害关系甚至超过了某一个国家的安全和主权。这关系到每个国家的安全和主权。
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"Because Russia's invasion, its abhorrent war crimes and irresponsible nuclear rhetoric are symptomatic of a broader threat to everything we believe in."
“因为俄罗斯的入侵，其可恶的战争罪行和不负责任的核言论是对我们所信仰的一切更广泛威胁的征兆。”
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“因为俄罗斯的入侵，其可恶的战争罪行和不负责任的核言论是对我们所信仰的一切更广泛威胁的征兆。”
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Meanwhile, the American vice president Kamala Harris told the conference that America had determined Russia had committed crimes against humanity in Ukraine, and said "justice must be served" to those responsible.
与此同时，美国副总统卡玛拉·哈里斯在会议上表示，美国认定俄罗斯在乌克兰犯下了反人类罪，并表示必须对责任人“伸张正义”。
与此同时，美国副总统卡玛拉·哈里斯在会议上表示，美国认定俄罗斯在乌克兰犯下了反人类罪，并表示必须对责任人“伸张正义”。
"Russian forces have pursued a widespread and systemic attack against a civilian population - gruesome acts of murder, torture, rape, and deportation," Ms Harris said, also citing "execution-style killings, beatings, and electrocution".
哈里斯说：“俄罗斯军队对平民进行了广泛而系统的攻击——可怕的谋杀、酷刑、强奸和驱逐出境。”她还提到了“处决式的杀戮、殴打和电刑”。
哈里斯说：“俄罗斯军队对平民进行了广泛而系统的攻击——可怕的谋杀、酷刑、强奸和驱逐出境。”她还提到了“处决式的杀戮、殴打和电刑”。
"Russian authorities have forcibly deported hundreds of thousands of people, from Ukraine to Russia, including children," she added. "They have cruelly separated children from their families."
“俄罗斯当局强行将数十万人从乌克兰遣返到俄罗斯，其中包括儿童，”她补充说。“他们残忍地将孩子与家人分离。”
“俄罗斯当局强行将数十万人从乌克兰遣返到俄罗斯，其中包括儿童，”她补充说。“他们残忍地将孩子与家人分离。”
As a former prosecutor and head of California's Department of Justice, Ms Harris said she understood "the importance of gathering facts and holding them up against the law".
作为一名前检察官和加州司法部负责人，哈里斯表示，她理解“收集事实并以法律为依据的重要性”。
作为一名前检察官和加州司法部负责人，哈里斯表示，她理解“收集事实并以法律为依据的重要性”。
"In the case of Russia's actions in Ukraine, we have examined the evidence, we know the legal standards, and there is no doubt," she said. "These are crimes against humanity."
“就俄罗斯在乌克兰的行动而言，我们已经审查了证据，我们知道法律标准，这是毫无疑问的，”她说。“这些都是反人类罪。”
“就俄罗斯在乌克兰的行动而言，我们已经审查了证据，我们知道法律标准，这是毫无疑问的，”她说。“这些都是反人类罪。”
Harris told the forum: "Let us all agree - on behalf of all the victims, both known and unknown, justice must be served."
哈里斯在论坛上说：“让我们都赞同——代表所有已知和未知的受害者，正义必须得到伸张。”
哈里斯在论坛上说：“让我们都赞同——代表所有已知和未知的受害者，正义必须得到伸张。”
"No nation is safe in a world where one country can violate the sovereignty and territorial integrity of another, where crimes against humanity are committed with impunity, where a country with imperialist ambitions can go unchecked," Harris added.
哈里斯说：“在一个国家可以侵犯另一个国家的主权和领土完整的世界上，在一个反人类罪行不受惩罚的世界上，在一个有帝国主义野心的国家可以不受限制的世界上，没有一个国家是安全的。”
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哈里斯说：“在一个国家可以侵犯另一个国家的主权和领土完整的世界上，在一个反人类罪行不受惩罚的世界上，在一个有帝国主义野心的国家可以不受限制的世界上，没有一个国家是安全的。”
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inevitablelizard
It's a fair point that Ukraine might need to upgrade its runways for western jets, as so far they've been using Soviet type jets that were designed for shit runways. But that's not an unsolvable problem, and much of eastern Europe will have experience of switching from Soviet to western jets so the expertise is there.
乌克兰可能需要为西方飞机升级其跑道，这是一个合理的观点，因为到目前为止他们一直在使用苏联型号的飞机，这些飞机是为狗屎跑道条件设计的。但这并不是一个无法解决的问题，许多东欧国家都有从苏联飞机转向西方飞机的经验，所以他们有专业知识。
It's a fair point that Ukraine might need to upgrade its runways for western jets, as so far they've been using Soviet type jets that were designed for shit runways. But that's not an unsolvable problem, and much of eastern Europe will have experience of switching from Soviet to western jets so the expertise is there.
乌克兰可能需要为西方飞机升级其跑道，这是一个合理的观点，因为到目前为止他们一直在使用苏联型号的飞机，这些飞机是为狗屎跑道条件设计的。但这并不是一个无法解决的问题，许多东欧国家都有从苏联飞机转向西方飞机的经验，所以他们有专业知识。
haggisneepsnfatties
What about some support for my fucking heating bill or the cost of living Rishi?
Ohh right by Allies you mean your pals in the arms industry
能不能给我的暖气费或者生活费一点支持，里希？
哦，好吧，你说的盟友其实是指你在军火行业的伙伴们
What about some support for my fucking heating bill or the cost of living Rishi?
Ohh right by Allies you mean your pals in the arms industry
能不能给我的暖气费或者生活费一点支持，里希？
哦，好吧，你说的盟友其实是指你在军火行业的伙伴们
DirtyBeastie
I'm almost moved enough to start a JustGiving for your terrible plight which is clearly so much worse than that of Ukrainians.
They're only being killed, kidnapped, raped, tortured and having their homes, livelihoods and families destroyed. Whereas you've paid a bit more for your heating, with government assistance.
我几乎感动到要为你的悲惨处境发起一个JustGiving大募捐，这显然比乌克兰人的情况要糟糕得多，对吧。
乌克兰人被杀害、绑架、强奸、折磨，家园、生计和家庭被摧毁。然而，在政府的帮助下，你却花了更多的钱在自己的取暖费上。
I'm almost moved enough to start a JustGiving for your terrible plight which is clearly so much worse than that of Ukrainians.
They're only being killed, kidnapped, raped, tortured and having their homes, livelihoods and families destroyed. Whereas you've paid a bit more for your heating, with government assistance.
我几乎感动到要为你的悲惨处境发起一个JustGiving大募捐，这显然比乌克兰人的情况要糟糕得多，对吧。
乌克兰人被杀害、绑架、强奸、折磨，家园、生计和家庭被摧毁。然而，在政府的帮助下，你却花了更多的钱在自己的取暖费上。
Miserable-Onion-4792
Crazy how easily people like yourself are brainwashed into supporting the military industrial complex. The only people winning from this are arms dealers/weapons manufacturers. You think people would have learned from the last fighting for democracy bullshit that went very badly south after 2003 but no.
We still have ex service men from that war homeless on the streets but fuck em eh? Some Ukrainians you didn't give a shit about till the news told you too come first.
You probably consider yourself progressive, anti-capitalist and anti-establishment too fuck me whatever happened to the left?
像你这样的人这么容易就被洗脑去支持军工复合体，真是疯了。唯一的赢家是军火商/武器制造商。你以为人们会从2003年之后严重恶化的上一次的“为民主而战斗”中吸取教训，但并没有。
我们还有从那场战争中退伍的人流落街头，但是去他们的，是吧？一些你根本不在乎的乌克兰人，直到新闻告诉了你，于是你也把他们排在第一位了。
你可能认为自己是进步的，反资本主义的，反建制的……我cao，左翼到底怎么回事？
Crazy how easily people like yourself are brainwashed into supporting the military industrial complex. The only people winning from this are arms dealers/weapons manufacturers. You think people would have learned from the last fighting for democracy bullshit that went very badly south after 2003 but no.
We still have ex service men from that war homeless on the streets but fuck em eh? Some Ukrainians you didn't give a shit about till the news told you too come first.
You probably consider yourself progressive, anti-capitalist and anti-establishment too fuck me whatever happened to the left?
像你这样的人这么容易就被洗脑去支持军工复合体，真是疯了。唯一的赢家是军火商/武器制造商。你以为人们会从2003年之后严重恶化的上一次的“为民主而战斗”中吸取教训，但并没有。
我们还有从那场战争中退伍的人流落街头，但是去他们的，是吧？一些你根本不在乎的乌克兰人，直到新闻告诉了你，于是你也把他们排在第一位了。
你可能认为自己是进步的，反资本主义的，反建制的……我cao，左翼到底怎么回事？
ImmediateSilver4063
So you would prefer Ukraine to cease to exist ? Prefer Ukrainians to be raped and tortured by the Russians and forced to live under Russian rule ?
所以你更希望乌克兰不复存在？宁愿乌克兰人被俄罗斯人强奸和折磨，被迫生活在俄罗斯的统治之下？
So you would prefer Ukraine to cease to exist ? Prefer Ukrainians to be raped and tortured by the Russians and forced to live under Russian rule ?
所以你更希望乌克兰不复存在？宁愿乌克兰人被俄罗斯人强奸和折磨，被迫生活在俄罗斯的统治之下？
Miserable-Onion-4792
I'd prefer that we aren't all annihilated by nuclear bombs. This isn't like Hitler invading Poland, do you know why? Because Hitler didn't have fucking nukes and we weren't facing the prospect of mutually assured destruction and the annihilation of the entire human race.
If I'm faced with two options, Putin conquering the entire planet or the end of life on earth as we know it it's hardly rocket science for me to figure out which is preferable.
You want a war so badly put your money where your mouth is. Get a plane ticket to Ukraine and get yourself to the front lines. You would be crying for your mother within a day. If you aren't willing to do that everything you say is hot air.
我不希望我们都被核弹毁灭。这又不是希特勒入侵波兰那种情况，你知道为什么吗？因为希特勒没有该死的核武器，我们也没有面临相互毁灭和整个人类灭绝的前景。
如果我面临两个选择：要么普京征服整个星球，要么我们所知道的地球生命的终结，在我看来，找出哪个更可取，这不是什么高深的科学。
你这么想打仗就把钱花在你所BB的上面吧。去买张去乌克兰的机票，到前线去。不出一天，你就会哭着喊妈妈。如果你不愿意那样做，那你所说的一切就都是在放P。
I'd prefer that we aren't all annihilated by nuclear bombs. This isn't like Hitler invading Poland, do you know why? Because Hitler didn't have fucking nukes and we weren't facing the prospect of mutually assured destruction and the annihilation of the entire human race.
If I'm faced with two options, Putin conquering the entire planet or the end of life on earth as we know it it's hardly rocket science for me to figure out which is preferable.
You want a war so badly put your money where your mouth is. Get a plane ticket to Ukraine and get yourself to the front lines. You would be crying for your mother within a day. If you aren't willing to do that everything you say is hot air.
我不希望我们都被核弹毁灭。这又不是希特勒入侵波兰那种情况，你知道为什么吗？因为希特勒没有该死的核武器，我们也没有面临相互毁灭和整个人类灭绝的前景。
如果我面临两个选择：要么普京征服整个星球，要么我们所知道的地球生命的终结，在我看来，找出哪个更可取，这不是什么高深的科学。
你这么想打仗就把钱花在你所BB的上面吧。去买张去乌克兰的机票，到前线去。不出一天，你就会哭着喊妈妈。如果你不愿意那样做，那你所说的一切就都是在放P。
Excellent_Plant1667
I concur.
This is manufacturing consent on a mass scale, but it’s still shocking just how easily people are manipulated.
Prior to the conflict Ukraine was seen as a corrupt nation with a growing Nazi ideology, a fact which was highlighted on all western platforms. It seems people have developed mass amnesia and are now suffering from pure brain rot, rather than thinking critically and taking a nuanced perspective on the situation. The West has launched a huge disinformation war, and people are falling for the bullshit by endorsing ethnic discrimination and xenophobia against Russians. It's sickening to see this hive mentality.
There’s a reason the US/NATO are prolonging this conflict, and it’s certainly not because they care about Ukrainians... anything to keep that war machine rolling.
我同意这种说法。
这是在大规模“制造同意”，但人们如此容易被操纵，仍然令人震惊。
在冲突之前，乌克兰被视为一个腐败的国家，纳粹意识形态不断增长，这一事实在所有西方平台上都得到了强调。人们似乎患上了大规模健忘症，现在正遭受着纯粹的大脑腐烂，而不是批判性地思考，从细致入微的角度看待问题。西方发动了一场巨大的虚假信息战，人们开始相信这些扯淡，支持针对俄罗斯人的种族歧视和仇外心理。看到这种蜂群心态真让人恶心。
美国/北约延长这场冲突是有原因的，当然不是因为他们关心乌克兰人……只要能让战争机器继续运转就好。
I concur.
This is manufacturing consent on a mass scale, but it’s still shocking just how easily people are manipulated.
Prior to the conflict Ukraine was seen as a corrupt nation with a growing Nazi ideology, a fact which was highlighted on all western platforms. It seems people have developed mass amnesia and are now suffering from pure brain rot, rather than thinking critically and taking a nuanced perspective on the situation. The West has launched a huge disinformation war, and people are falling for the bullshit by endorsing ethnic discrimination and xenophobia against Russians. It's sickening to see this hive mentality.
There’s a reason the US/NATO are prolonging this conflict, and it’s certainly not because they care about Ukrainians... anything to keep that war machine rolling.
我同意这种说法。
这是在大规模“制造同意”，但人们如此容易被操纵，仍然令人震惊。
在冲突之前，乌克兰被视为一个腐败的国家，纳粹意识形态不断增长，这一事实在所有西方平台上都得到了强调。人们似乎患上了大规模健忘症，现在正遭受着纯粹的大脑腐烂，而不是批判性地思考，从细致入微的角度看待问题。西方发动了一场巨大的虚假信息战，人们开始相信这些扯淡，支持针对俄罗斯人的种族歧视和仇外心理。看到这种蜂群心态真让人恶心。
美国/北约延长这场冲突是有原因的，当然不是因为他们关心乌克兰人……只要能让战争机器继续运转就好。
wivsi
Surely Russia is prolonging this conflict by … well, invading a sovereign country and continuing to attack them?
俄罗斯肯定是在延长这场冲突……嗯，入侵一个主权国家并继续攻击他们？
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Surely Russia is prolonging this conflict by … well, invading a sovereign country and continuing to attack them?
俄罗斯肯定是在延长这场冲突……嗯，入侵一个主权国家并继续攻击他们？
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Excellent_Plant1667
Considering Ukraine has been shelling its own citizens, ethnic Russians in the Donbas for 9 years, and has openly admitted it had no intention of implementing the Minsk agreements, it's clear Ukraine, at the behest of the US is prolonging this conflict.
Ukraine is nothing more than a US satellite state.
考虑到乌克兰炮轰自己的公民——顿巴斯的俄罗斯族人已经9年了，并公开承认无意执行明斯克协议，很明显，乌克兰在美国的要求下正在延长这场冲突。
乌克兰不过是美国的卫星国而已。
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Considering Ukraine has been shelling its own citizens, ethnic Russians in the Donbas for 9 years, and has openly admitted it had no intention of implementing the Minsk agreements, it's clear Ukraine, at the behest of the US is prolonging this conflict.
Ukraine is nothing more than a US satellite state.
考虑到乌克兰炮轰自己的公民——顿巴斯的俄罗斯族人已经9年了，并公开承认无意执行明斯克协议，很明显，乌克兰在美国的要求下正在延长这场冲突。
乌克兰不过是美国的卫星国而已。
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wivsi
But would Ukrainians be happier as a Russian satellite state? It is after all their choice what they want their country to be, surely?
但作为俄罗斯的卫星国，乌克兰人会更开心吗？他们希望自己的国家成为什么样的国家毕竟是他们自己的选择，不是吗？
But would Ukrainians be happier as a Russian satellite state? It is after all their choice what they want their country to be, surely?
但作为俄罗斯的卫星国，乌克兰人会更开心吗？他们希望自己的国家成为什么样的国家毕竟是他们自己的选择，不是吗？
ImmediateSilver4063
I mean if Russia gave up the conflict would be over.
Apologies the Ukrainians aren't dying to Russia fast enough for your liking though.
我想说，如果俄罗斯放弃，冲突就会结束。
很抱歉，乌克兰人没有像你喜欢的那样快速死于俄罗斯。
I mean if Russia gave up the conflict would be over.
Apologies the Ukrainians aren't dying to Russia fast enough for your liking though.
我想说，如果俄罗斯放弃，冲突就会结束。
很抱歉，乌克兰人没有像你喜欢的那样快速死于俄罗斯。
Excellent_Plant1667
Nope. Ukraine has been targeting ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine for over 8 years. If Russia left, Ukraine will continue targeting innocent civilians. US/NATO are throwing Ukrainians into the meat grinder to prolong this proxy war of theirs. There's a reason Boris/US sabotaged the Ankara peace deal in March... Ukrainian forces are literally dragging people from their homes and off the streets, to fight in a conflict they want no part in.
不是这样。8年来，乌克兰一直将目标对准乌克兰东部的俄罗斯族人。如果俄罗斯离开，乌克兰将继续以无辜平民为目标。美国/北约正在把乌克兰人扔进绞肉机里，以延长他们的代理人战争。鲍里斯/美国在3月份破坏安卡拉和平协议是有原因的…乌克兰军队实际上是在把人们从家中和街道上拖出来，去参加一场他们不想参与的冲突。
Nope. Ukraine has been targeting ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine for over 8 years. If Russia left, Ukraine will continue targeting innocent civilians. US/NATO are throwing Ukrainians into the meat grinder to prolong this proxy war of theirs. There's a reason Boris/US sabotaged the Ankara peace deal in March... Ukrainian forces are literally dragging people from their homes and off the streets, to fight in a conflict they want no part in.
不是这样。8年来，乌克兰一直将目标对准乌克兰东部的俄罗斯族人。如果俄罗斯离开，乌克兰将继续以无辜平民为目标。美国/北约正在把乌克兰人扔进绞肉机里，以延长他们的代理人战争。鲍里斯/美国在3月份破坏安卡拉和平协议是有原因的…乌克兰军队实际上是在把人们从家中和街道上拖出来，去参加一场他们不想参与的冲突。
gurufabbes123
Not interested in sacrificing our living standards further for this stupid war.
Never voted for it, never swore any oath of loyalty to the Ukraine.
Here's my solution: Just send the Ukrainians an IOU in response to their IOU payments so far, and keep us out of this. Comrade Zelensky and his corrupt government can shout at our politicians over livestream from his bunker all they like.
(for all we know, the only jet he'll be needing is the one to transport him to exile in the Bahamas when this is all over, laughing all the way to the bank, no doubt)
不想为这场愚蠢的战争进一步牺牲我们的生活水平了。
我从未投过票，也从未宣誓效忠乌克兰。
我的解决办法是：给乌克兰人发张欠条，作为对他们迄今为止所付欠条的回应，别把我们扯进来。泽连斯基同志和他的腐败政府可以在他的地堡里通过直播向我们的政客们大吼大叫。
（据我们所知，他唯一需要的喷气式飞机就是在这一切结束后，把他送到巴哈马流亡的飞机，毫无疑问，他会一路笑着去银行。）
Not interested in sacrificing our living standards further for this stupid war.
Never voted for it, never swore any oath of loyalty to the Ukraine.
Here's my solution: Just send the Ukrainians an IOU in response to their IOU payments so far, and keep us out of this. Comrade Zelensky and his corrupt government can shout at our politicians over livestream from his bunker all they like.
(for all we know, the only jet he'll be needing is the one to transport him to exile in the Bahamas when this is all over, laughing all the way to the bank, no doubt)
不想为这场愚蠢的战争进一步牺牲我们的生活水平了。
我从未投过票，也从未宣誓效忠乌克兰。
我的解决办法是：给乌克兰人发张欠条，作为对他们迄今为止所付欠条的回应，别把我们扯进来。泽连斯基同志和他的腐败政府可以在他的地堡里通过直播向我们的政客们大吼大叫。
（据我们所知，他唯一需要的喷气式飞机就是在这一切结束后，把他送到巴哈马流亡的飞机，毫无疑问，他会一路笑着去银行。）
smilesandlaughter
We've spent less than 0.1% of GDP. It's hardly tipping the scales.
If you could go back in time and stop Hitler would you?
Russia is interested in all previous territories, should we not help if they invade elsewhere as well?
Or should we just start allowing invasions in Europe ?
我们的支出还不到GDP的0.1%。它几乎没有让天平倾斜。
如果你能回到过去阻止希特勒，你会吗？
俄罗斯对以前所有的领土都感兴趣，如果他们也入侵其他地方，我们难道不应该帮助他们吗？
还是说我们应该开始允许入侵欧洲？
We've spent less than 0.1% of GDP. It's hardly tipping the scales.
If you could go back in time and stop Hitler would you?
Russia is interested in all previous territories, should we not help if they invade elsewhere as well?
Or should we just start allowing invasions in Europe ?
我们的支出还不到GDP的0.1%。它几乎没有让天平倾斜。
如果你能回到过去阻止希特勒，你会吗？
俄罗斯对以前所有的领土都感兴趣，如果他们也入侵其他地方，我们难道不应该帮助他们吗？
还是说我们应该开始允许入侵欧洲？
Aloonatron
It’s frankly mind boggling and alarming if you think the war in the Ukraine is why our living standards are so low.
Maybe you’re part of a lucky group who’ve only just started to feel the pinch but this has been going on for a decade or so.
You’re kidding yourself if you think the UK would be a wonderful place for all if we stopped providing support to Ukraine.
It’s pretty desperate to now try to blame the war in Ukraine for our woes.
If you voted Tory and/Brexit then you did vote for this financial mess and you need to own it rather than trying ti find some excuse to make yourself feel better.
坦率地说，如果你认为乌克兰战争是我们的生活水平如此之低的原因，这是令人震惊的。
也许你是一个幸运的群体中的一员，刚刚开始感到手头拮据，但这种情况已经持续了十年左右。
如果你认为如果我们停止向乌克兰提供支持，英国将成为一个美好的地方，那你是在开玩笑。
现在试图将我们的困境归咎于乌克兰战争是非常绝望的。
如果你投票给了保守党和英国脱欧，那么你确实投票给了这场金融混乱，你需要承认这一点，而不是试图找一些借口让自己感觉更好。
It’s frankly mind boggling and alarming if you think the war in the Ukraine is why our living standards are so low.
Maybe you’re part of a lucky group who’ve only just started to feel the pinch but this has been going on for a decade or so.
You’re kidding yourself if you think the UK would be a wonderful place for all if we stopped providing support to Ukraine.
It’s pretty desperate to now try to blame the war in Ukraine for our woes.
If you voted Tory and/Brexit then you did vote for this financial mess and you need to own it rather than trying ti find some excuse to make yourself feel better.
坦率地说，如果你认为乌克兰战争是我们的生活水平如此之低的原因，这是令人震惊的。
也许你是一个幸运的群体中的一员，刚刚开始感到手头拮据，但这种情况已经持续了十年左右。
如果你认为如果我们停止向乌克兰提供支持，英国将成为一个美好的地方，那你是在开玩笑。
现在试图将我们的困境归咎于乌克兰战争是非常绝望的。
如果你投票给了保守党和英国脱欧，那么你确实投票给了这场金融混乱，你需要承认这一点，而不是试图找一些借口让自己感觉更好。
ImmediateSilver4063
Most people wouldn't boast about being so narrow-minded, good for you.
I always thought the pro appeasement people from history was a myth, yet here you are to prove that wrong.
大多数人不会吹嘘自己头脑简单，祝你（gurufabbes123）好运。
我一直认为历史上那些支持绥靖政策的人只是神话传说，但你现在证明了我错了（真有这种人）。
Most people wouldn't boast about being so narrow-minded, good for you.
I always thought the pro appeasement people from history was a myth, yet here you are to prove that wrong.
大多数人不会吹嘘自己头脑简单，祝你（gurufabbes123）好运。
我一直认为历史上那些支持绥靖政策的人只是神话传说，但你现在证明了我错了（真有这种人）。
asjitshot
I actually like Rishi's response in this, the poor fucker is trapped as the media is clapping like seals for everything Zelensky asks for despite how absolutely catastrophic it'd be for us. Plus you've got shit for brains Boris basically bending over and giving Zelensky everything he wants.. "100 Typhoons!!" he says.
Great so we defend ourselves with what.. and that isn't getting ourselves further involved into the war at all is it giving them 80% of our main frontline fighter (we have 126 operational).
Then what happens if a Typhoon is shot down and the wreckage is recovered by the Russians?What a fabulous prize for them a state of the art fighter with the latest western avionics and weaponry.
Basically Rishi's hands are tied, if he gives Ukraine our jets he knows we've made a catastrophic mistake. If he doesn't give them jets he'll be slandered and probably made to retire.
Let's just send the Ukrainians our older tech. We're phasing out our Tornado's and surely we have some older gen tanks still knocking around, take those.
我其实很喜欢里希的回应，这个可怜的混蛋被困住了，因为媒体对泽伦斯基提出的任何要求都像海豹一样鼓掌，尽管这对我们来说是绝对的灾难。再加上你脑子进水了，之前鲍里斯基本上就是弯下腰给泽伦斯基他想要的一切。“100架台风！！”他说。
这很棒，那么我们用什么来保护自己呢。这根本不是让我们进一步卷入战争，而是把我们80%的主要前线战斗机（我们只有126架战斗机）都送给他们。
那么，如果“台风”被击落，残骸被俄罗斯人捡到，会发生什么呢？对他们来说，这是一个多么难以置信的奖励——拥有最新西方航空电子设备和武器的最先进的战斗机。
基本上，里希无能为力，如果他把我们的战机给乌克兰，他就知道我们犯了一个灾难性的错误。如果他不给他们飞机，他将受到诽谤，很可能被迫退休。
让我们把我们的老技术给乌克兰人吧。我们正在逐步淘汰我们的狂风，当然我们还有一些老坦克，都拿去吧。
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I actually like Rishi's response in this, the poor fucker is trapped as the media is clapping like seals for everything Zelensky asks for despite how absolutely catastrophic it'd be for us. Plus you've got shit for brains Boris basically bending over and giving Zelensky everything he wants.. "100 Typhoons!!" he says.
Great so we defend ourselves with what.. and that isn't getting ourselves further involved into the war at all is it giving them 80% of our main frontline fighter (we have 126 operational).
Then what happens if a Typhoon is shot down and the wreckage is recovered by the Russians?What a fabulous prize for them a state of the art fighter with the latest western avionics and weaponry.
Basically Rishi's hands are tied, if he gives Ukraine our jets he knows we've made a catastrophic mistake. If he doesn't give them jets he'll be slandered and probably made to retire.
Let's just send the Ukrainians our older tech. We're phasing out our Tornado's and surely we have some older gen tanks still knocking around, take those.
我其实很喜欢里希的回应，这个可怜的混蛋被困住了，因为媒体对泽伦斯基提出的任何要求都像海豹一样鼓掌，尽管这对我们来说是绝对的灾难。再加上你脑子进水了，之前鲍里斯基本上就是弯下腰给泽伦斯基他想要的一切。“100架台风！！”他说。
这很棒，那么我们用什么来保护自己呢。这根本不是让我们进一步卷入战争，而是把我们80%的主要前线战斗机（我们只有126架战斗机）都送给他们。
那么，如果“台风”被击落，残骸被俄罗斯人捡到，会发生什么呢？对他们来说，这是一个多么难以置信的奖励——拥有最新西方航空电子设备和武器的最先进的战斗机。
基本上，里希无能为力，如果他把我们的战机给乌克兰，他就知道我们犯了一个灾难性的错误。如果他不给他们飞机，他将受到诽谤，很可能被迫退休。
让我们把我们的老技术给乌克兰人吧。我们正在逐步淘汰我们的狂风，当然我们还有一些老坦克，都拿去吧。
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Bristol_man
We don't have the spare aircraft or the industrial base to support this
我们没有多余的飞机或工业基础来支持这一点
We don't have the spare aircraft or the industrial base to support this
我们没有多余的飞机或工业基础来支持这一点
Fuzzyveevee
Good thing that's not what's been offered then?
The UK's package is to train Ukrainians on NATO standard tactics and flight processes, so they may speed the transition to any NATO jet. Typhoons are unlikely due to there only being so many about, and their VERY high end requirements as a bleeding edge jet thats edged out only by the most modern 5th gens like F-35.
As such, the UK is supporting their training toward something Ukraine can actually operate and focus on, such as the F-16.
The UK did however say they could transfer Typhoons "in future" in a post war state since the setup in country for each fighter type is probably too huge to handle multiples off mid-war, you really need foreign guys coming in to help set this stuff up.
还好这不是他所要提供的？
英国的方案是对乌克兰人进行北约标准战术和飞行流程的培训，这样他们就可以加快向北约飞机的过渡。台风是不太可能的，因为它的数量只有这么多，而且作为一种非常先进的战机，它的高端要求非常高，只有像F-35这样最现代的第五代战机才能超越它。
因此，英国正在支持他们的训练，让乌克兰能够实际操作和专注于一些东西，比如F-16。
然而，英国确实表示，他们可以在“未来”在战后状态下转交台风战机，因为每个型号的战斗机对国内的配套需求可能太大了，无法在战争中处理多种型号（后勤哭死），你真的需要对应的外国家伙们来帮助配套这些东西。
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Good thing that's not what's been offered then?
The UK's package is to train Ukrainians on NATO standard tactics and flight processes, so they may speed the transition to any NATO jet. Typhoons are unlikely due to there only being so many about, and their VERY high end requirements as a bleeding edge jet thats edged out only by the most modern 5th gens like F-35.
As such, the UK is supporting their training toward something Ukraine can actually operate and focus on, such as the F-16.
The UK did however say they could transfer Typhoons "in future" in a post war state since the setup in country for each fighter type is probably too huge to handle multiples off mid-war, you really need foreign guys coming in to help set this stuff up.
还好这不是他所要提供的？
英国的方案是对乌克兰人进行北约标准战术和飞行流程的培训，这样他们就可以加快向北约飞机的过渡。台风是不太可能的，因为它的数量只有这么多，而且作为一种非常先进的战机，它的高端要求非常高，只有像F-35这样最现代的第五代战机才能超越它。
因此，英国正在支持他们的训练，让乌克兰能够实际操作和专注于一些东西，比如F-16。
然而，英国确实表示，他们可以在“未来”在战后状态下转交台风战机，因为每个型号的战斗机对国内的配套需求可能太大了，无法在战争中处理多种型号（后勤哭死），你真的需要对应的外国家伙们来帮助配套这些东西。
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DogTakeMeForAWalk
Could we perhaps maybe just please try to end the war please sir instead of escalating please? Please sir
我们能不能也许尝试着结束这场战争？求求你了，先生，而不是让战争升级？求你了，先生
Could we perhaps maybe just please try to end the war please sir instead of escalating please? Please sir
我们能不能也许尝试着结束这场战争？求求你了，先生，而不是让战争升级？求你了，先生
ImmediateSilver4063
How do you suggest we end it ?
Russia wants to demilitarize Ukraine and seize its land. Appeasement of that only means the remains of Ukraine will be invaded again in a few years after Russia re arms.
You know just like we saw with crimea.
你觉得我们该怎么结束？
俄罗斯想要解除乌克兰的武装，并夺取乌克兰的土地。绥靖政策只意味着在俄罗斯重新武装起来后，乌克兰的剩余领土将在几年后再次被入侵。
就像我们在克里米亚看到的那样。
How do you suggest we end it ?
Russia wants to demilitarize Ukraine and seize its land. Appeasement of that only means the remains of Ukraine will be invaded again in a few years after Russia re arms.
You know just like we saw with crimea.
你觉得我们该怎么结束？
俄罗斯想要解除乌克兰的武装，并夺取乌克兰的土地。绥靖政策只意味着在俄罗斯重新武装起来后，乌克兰的剩余领土将在几年后再次被入侵。
就像我们在克里米亚看到的那样。
DogTakeMeForAWalk
Negotiating a ceasefire is the way to end it but if you consider it appeasement and refuse to counter it then there are two remaining routes. Total destruction of Ukraine or total destruction of Russia.
We're on track for the former but we can reroute to the latter through escalation.
You know I favour negotiation. So, what's your choice? Appeasement, total destruction of Ukraine, or WWIII?
谈判停火是结束冲突的方式，但如果你认为这是绥靖政策，并拒绝，继续反击，那么还有两条路可走——要么彻底摧毁乌克兰，要么彻底摧毁俄罗斯。
我们正朝着前一种前进，但我们可以通过升级重新转向后一种。
你知道我赞成谈判。那么，你的选择是什么？绥靖政策，彻底摧毁乌克兰，还是第三次世界大战呢？
Negotiating a ceasefire is the way to end it but if you consider it appeasement and refuse to counter it then there are two remaining routes. Total destruction of Ukraine or total destruction of Russia.
We're on track for the former but we can reroute to the latter through escalation.
You know I favour negotiation. So, what's your choice? Appeasement, total destruction of Ukraine, or WWIII?
谈判停火是结束冲突的方式，但如果你认为这是绥靖政策，并拒绝，继续反击，那么还有两条路可走——要么彻底摧毁乌克兰，要么彻底摧毁俄罗斯。
我们正朝着前一种前进，但我们可以通过升级重新转向后一种。
你知道我赞成谈判。那么，你的选择是什么？绥靖政策，彻底摧毁乌克兰，还是第三次世界大战呢？
ImmediateSilver4063
There's nothing to negotiate due to Russias pre conditions of giving up the territory they've claimed; even the territory they don't occupy, and demilitarization of Ukraine.
If you agree to that in hopes of a cease fire you're a fool.
The solution is to continue applying pressure on Russia economically and supply the Ukrainians with military intelligence and resources in hopes the invasion become untenable for the Russians leading to their withdrawal.
没有什么可谈判的，因为俄罗斯提出了放弃他们声称的领土的先决条件;甚至包括他们没有占领的领土，以及乌克兰的非军事化。
如果你为了停火而同意，那你就是个傻瓜。
解决办法是继续在经济上对俄罗斯施加压力，并向乌克兰提供军事情报和资源，希望俄罗斯人无法忍受入侵，从而自己撤出乌克兰。
There's nothing to negotiate due to Russias pre conditions of giving up the territory they've claimed; even the territory they don't occupy, and demilitarization of Ukraine.
If you agree to that in hopes of a cease fire you're a fool.
The solution is to continue applying pressure on Russia economically and supply the Ukrainians with military intelligence and resources in hopes the invasion become untenable for the Russians leading to their withdrawal.
没有什么可谈判的，因为俄罗斯提出了放弃他们声称的领土的先决条件;甚至包括他们没有占领的领土，以及乌克兰的非军事化。
如果你为了停火而同意，那你就是个傻瓜。
解决办法是继续在经济上对俄罗斯施加压力，并向乌克兰提供军事情报和资源，希望俄罗斯人无法忍受入侵，从而自己撤出乌克兰。
DogTakeMeForAWalk
Ok, you choose escalation. Let's say Russia doesn't withdraw, how far are you willing to go?
好的，你选择升级。那假设俄罗斯不撤军，你愿意升到什么程度？
Ok, you choose escalation. Let's say Russia doesn't withdraw, how far are you willing to go?
好的，你选择升级。那假设俄罗斯不撤军，你愿意升到什么程度？
ImmediateSilver4063
Whatever conventional arms that Ukraine requires.
So why do you think demilitarising Ukraine is a good idea as a request by a country that's invaded you twice ?
只要是乌克兰需要的任何常规武器，都给。
那么为什么你认为一个曾经两次入侵你的国家要求乌克兰去军事化是个好主意呢？
Whatever conventional arms that Ukraine requires.
So why do you think demilitarising Ukraine is a good idea as a request by a country that's invaded you twice ?
只要是乌克兰需要的任何常规武器，都给。
那么为什么你认为一个曾经两次入侵你的国家要求乌克兰去军事化是个好主意呢？
DogTakeMeForAWalk
What if the arms aren't enough? Do you escalate further?
I didn't advocate demilitarisation of Ukraine. That's one of Russia's goals for the invasion and you can assume that it would be achieved by the total destruction of Ukraine. You're en route to that with a limited escalation, is that what you want?
如果武器不够怎么办？你还会进一步升级吗？
我不主张乌克兰的非军事化。这是俄罗斯入侵的目标之一，你可以假设这将通过彻底摧毁乌克兰来实现。你正在以有限的升级朝着那个方向前进，这就是你想要的吗？
What if the arms aren't enough? Do you escalate further?
I didn't advocate demilitarisation of Ukraine. That's one of Russia's goals for the invasion and you can assume that it would be achieved by the total destruction of Ukraine. You're en route to that with a limited escalation, is that what you want?
如果武器不够怎么办？你还会进一步升级吗？
我不主张乌克兰的非军事化。这是俄罗斯入侵的目标之一，你可以假设这将通过彻底摧毁乌克兰来实现。你正在以有限的升级朝着那个方向前进，这就是你想要的吗？
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