中国电视剧《跨过鸭绿江》对美军将领李奇微的正面评价引起美网友好奇
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gyunikumen
what i gather is the chinese have respect for almost all americans in the korean war save their utter contempt for macarthur
据我所知，中国人对于朝鲜战争中的几乎所有美国人都是有敬意的，除了对于麦克阿瑟他们只有纯粹的鄙视
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what i gather is the chinese have respect for almost all americans in the korean war save their utter contempt for macarthur
据我所知，中国人对于朝鲜战争中的几乎所有美国人都是有敬意的，除了对于麦克阿瑟他们只有纯粹的鄙视
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FlamingSnowman3
Honestly, sounds like they have the right idea then. MacArthur was a clown.
说实话，感觉他们想法完全没问题。麦克阿瑟就是个小丑。
Honestly, sounds like they have the right idea then. MacArthur was a clown.
说实话，感觉他们想法完全没问题。麦克阿瑟就是个小丑。
calfmonster
TFW the C.. propaganda about the Korean War is more based than how it’s taught in most US history
当中国对朝鲜战争的政治宣传比绝大多数的美国历史课上教的还牛逼的时候我的感觉
TFW the C.. propaganda about the Korean War is more based than how it’s taught in most US history
当中国对朝鲜战争的政治宣传比绝大多数的美国历史课上教的还牛逼的时候我的感觉
deimos-chan
It is common in Asian culture to openly respect your enemy.
在亚洲文化里，公开尊重你的敌人是很普遍的文化。
It is common in Asian culture to openly respect your enemy.
在亚洲文化里，公开尊重你的敌人是很普遍的文化。
calfmonster
TeraChad based ridgeway vs virgin “nuke em cause I have no strategy, btw I’m also a racist cunt” MacArthur
牛逼到炸的猛男军神李奇微 VS “拿核弹炸他们就行，因为我根本没有战略，顺便一提我还是个种族主义的婊子”的小处男麦克阿瑟
TeraChad based ridgeway vs virgin “nuke em cause I have no strategy, btw I’m also a racist cunt” MacArthur
牛逼到炸的猛男军神李奇微 VS “拿核弹炸他们就行，因为我根本没有战略，顺便一提我还是个种族主义的婊子”的小处男麦克阿瑟
Means1632
All this Korean War propaganda and especially Ridgway propaganda makes me wonder what the specific message the government is trying to communicate to its citizenry.
朝鲜战争的这些政治宣传，尤其是李奇微的这种政治宣传，让我想中国在试图向他们的公民具体表达怎样的信息。
All this Korean War propaganda and especially Ridgway propaganda makes me wonder what the specific message the government is trying to communicate to its citizenry.
朝鲜战争的这些政治宣传，尤其是李奇微的这种政治宣传，让我想中国在试图向他们的公民具体表达怎样的信息。
Swimming_Instance816
That the war that is to come will be difficult to win and the Chinese can't underestimate the US
即将到来的战争是很难赢下来的，以及中国人是不能低估美国的。
That the war that is to come will be difficult to win and the Chinese can't underestimate the US
即将到来的战争是很难赢下来的，以及中国人是不能低估美国的。
Ignasty64
Ridgway gained the nickname "Iron Tits" for his habit of wearing hand grenades attached to his load-bearing equipment at chest level… Iron Tits…
李奇微有个外号叫“铁奶子”，因为他习惯往自己的胸口挂两个手榴弹……铁奶子……
Ridgway gained the nickname "Iron Tits" for his habit of wearing hand grenades attached to his load-bearing equipment at chest level… Iron Tits…
李奇微有个外号叫“铁奶子”，因为他习惯往自己的胸口挂两个手榴弹……铁奶子……
WattsAndThoughts
When you’re so fucking based that your enemy respects you.
当你如此牛逼以至于你的敌人都尊敬你
When you’re so fucking based that your enemy respects you.
当你如此牛逼以至于你的敌人都尊敬你
AneriphtoKubos
It’s really weird watching CDramas talking about an American general like Liu Bei talks about Cao Cao in CDramas lmao
看着中国电视剧里的人像刘备议论曹操一样议论一个美国将军，这感觉真是够怪的哈哈哈
It’s really weird watching CDramas talking about an American general like Liu Bei talks about Cao Cao in CDramas lmao
看着中国电视剧里的人像刘备议论曹操一样议论一个美国将军，这感觉真是够怪的哈哈哈
bobb_bobbington
Okay, potentially credible take for a second, what if they hold Ridgeway up so not for respect (although probably that too) but also for the purpose of internal consumption? By idolizing in an enemy the strengths that you want YOUR commanders to exhibit, perhaps they think their army will take more to those lessons than simply drilling it into them? Unwavering commitment, taking initiative, rapid movements and response, those are the characteristics any nation would want of their military
好吧，可能也是一个有价值的思路，如果说他们把李奇微捧得这么高，并不是出于尊敬（尽管也可能如此），而也是出于内部消费的需要呢？将一个敌人的实力夸张到你希望你的指挥官们能表现出来的程度，或许他们认为比起单调的训练，用这种方式能让他们的军队得到更多的教训？毫不动摇，占据主动，行动反应极为迅速，这些特点是任何一个国家的军队都想要的
Okay, potentially credible take for a second, what if they hold Ridgeway up so not for respect (although probably that too) but also for the purpose of internal consumption? By idolizing in an enemy the strengths that you want YOUR commanders to exhibit, perhaps they think their army will take more to those lessons than simply drilling it into them? Unwavering commitment, taking initiative, rapid movements and response, those are the characteristics any nation would want of their military
好吧，可能也是一个有价值的思路，如果说他们把李奇微捧得这么高，并不是出于尊敬（尽管也可能如此），而也是出于内部消费的需要呢？将一个敌人的实力夸张到你希望你的指挥官们能表现出来的程度，或许他们认为比起单调的训练，用这种方式能让他们的军队得到更多的教训？毫不动摇，占据主动，行动反应极为迅速，这些特点是任何一个国家的军队都想要的
kuehnchen7962
Nah, I think the angle is more like 'look at the absolute Chad, half god, badass that led the enemy forces, and yet, by the sheer power of our awesome communismness we managed to beat them! Hooray for communism!'
算了吧，我觉得角度更可能是“看看这哥们牛逼炸了，半神，领导着敌人的军队，但是凭借着我们强大的共产主义力量，我们却打赢了他们！共产主义万岁！”
Nah, I think the angle is more like 'look at the absolute Chad, half god, badass that led the enemy forces, and yet, by the sheer power of our awesome communismness we managed to beat them! Hooray for communism!'
算了吧，我觉得角度更可能是“看看这哥们牛逼炸了，半神，领导着敌人的军队，但是凭借着我们强大的共产主义力量，我们却打赢了他们！共产主义万岁！”
Sugioh
Being the underdog is so absurdly ingrained in Chinese culture at this point. Especially after the "Century of Humiliation".
扮演弱者已经被刻印在了中国文化里。尤其是在“百年耻辱”之后。
Being the underdog is so absurdly ingrained in Chinese culture at this point. Especially after the "Century of Humiliation".
扮演弱者已经被刻印在了中国文化里。尤其是在“百年耻辱”之后。
I will say that they handle this type of propaganda a lot better than things that are more jingoistic. That always comes off as really ridiculous, and not generally in the fun way that we appreciate around here.
我想说的是他们处理这种政治宣传的方式，比起我们认为的那种沙文主义的要强得多。后者通常都会很可笑，并且不是我们这边欣赏的那种可笑的方式。
我想说的是他们处理这种政治宣传的方式，比起我们认为的那种沙文主义的要强得多。后者通常都会很可笑，并且不是我们这边欣赏的那种可笑的方式。
Xciv
It's tied to the military history genre of fiction in China. The genre has deep roots, going all the way back to the medi novel Romance of the Three Kingdoms.
这和中国的军事历史小说有关系。这个类别的小说根源很深，最早能追溯到中世纪时期的《三国演义》。
It's tied to the military history genre of fiction in China. The genre has deep roots, going all the way back to the medi novel Romance of the Three Kingdoms.
这和中国的军事历史小说有关系。这个类别的小说根源很深，最早能追溯到中世纪时期的《三国演义》。
You always portray the antagonists as hyper competent, because then you can portray your protagonists as even more plucky for besting them. This cycles back and forth, each outdoing each other, to constantly build up the drama. It's a trope as old as time.
你必须得把反派写得特别厉害，因为这样你就能让你的主角击败他们，从而显得你的主角更加机智。这种桥段循环往复，一边总是会胜过另一边，剧情就是这样建构起来的。这种套路很古老了。
你必须得把反派写得特别厉害，因为这样你就能让你的主角击败他们，从而显得你的主角更加机智。这种桥段循环往复，一边总是会胜过另一边，剧情就是这样建构起来的。这种套路很古老了。
NIU_NIU
Anglos do this too with the napoleonic french and then later nazi germany
英国人也会这样看待拿破仑时期的法国以及后来的纳粹德国
Anglos do this too with the napoleonic french and then later nazi germany
英国人也会这样看待拿破仑时期的法国以及后来的纳粹德国
Jankosi
I swear to god the only reason anyone cares about the Bismarck today is because of this trope, when it sank the Hood the british had to cope and create a myth around the ship. Even the brits themselves had obxtively better ships, but had to put bismarck on pedestal, because that poorly designed and outdated piece of shit sank their pride of the fleet with a one in a million shot.
我发誓今天任何人还在乎俾斯麦号的唯一原因就是这种套路，因为这艘船击沉了胡德号，所以英国人只能想个办法安慰自己，创作与俾斯麦号相关的流言。即便英国人拥有客观上比俾斯麦号更强的舰船，他们也得把俾斯麦号吹得天花乱坠，因为那艘设计糟糕设备过时的破烂竟然用一发百万分之一可能性的炮弹击沉了他们舰队的骄傲。
I swear to god the only reason anyone cares about the Bismarck today is because of this trope, when it sank the Hood the british had to cope and create a myth around the ship. Even the brits themselves had obxtively better ships, but had to put bismarck on pedestal, because that poorly designed and outdated piece of shit sank their pride of the fleet with a one in a million shot.
我发誓今天任何人还在乎俾斯麦号的唯一原因就是这种套路，因为这艘船击沉了胡德号，所以英国人只能想个办法安慰自己，创作与俾斯麦号相关的流言。即便英国人拥有客观上比俾斯麦号更强的舰船，他们也得把俾斯麦号吹得天花乱坠，因为那艘设计糟糕设备过时的破烂竟然用一发百万分之一可能性的炮弹击沉了他们舰队的骄傲。
H0vis
Matthew Ridgway would be one of the most widely known American generals of the 20th century if he hadn't been key to desegregating the military. Lot of Americans will never forgive that kind of based behaviour.
如果他不是解除军队内部种族隔离的关键人物的话，马修·李奇微本应该是20世纪最广为人知的美国将领之一。很多美国人是永远也无法原谅他这个牛逼的举动的。
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Matthew Ridgway would be one of the most widely known American generals of the 20th century if he hadn't been key to desegregating the military. Lot of Americans will never forgive that kind of based behaviour.
如果他不是解除军队内部种族隔离的关键人物的话，马修·李奇微本应该是20世纪最广为人知的美国将领之一。很多美国人是永远也无法原谅他这个牛逼的举动的。
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MousseIndependent553
He isn’t famous because he was a divisional commander during WWII, and because the Korean War is a footnote in American history. Most Americans couldn’t even tell you who the top general was in Vietnam, let alone Korea. Him supporting desegregation has nothing to do with his fame or lack thereof.
他不出名，是因为他在二战时期仅仅是一个师级指挥官，并且朝鲜战争也只是美国历史中的一个注脚，绝大多数美国人甚至都不知道越南战争的总指挥是谁，更别提朝鲜战争了。他对于军队解除种族隔离的支持，也对于他的名声没有什么积极或者消极的影响。
He isn’t famous because he was a divisional commander during WWII, and because the Korean War is a footnote in American history. Most Americans couldn’t even tell you who the top general was in Vietnam, let alone Korea. Him supporting desegregation has nothing to do with his fame or lack thereof.
他不出名，是因为他在二战时期仅仅是一个师级指挥官，并且朝鲜战争也只是美国历史中的一个注脚，绝大多数美国人甚至都不知道越南战争的总指挥是谁，更别提朝鲜战争了。他对于军队解除种族隔离的支持，也对于他的名声没有什么积极或者消极的影响。
coffee_supremacist
Be the unstoppable awesome war machine that China thinks you are.
最好能成为中国人以为你是的那种无可阻挡的战争机器。
Be the unstoppable awesome war machine that China thinks you are.
最好能成为中国人以为你是的那种无可阻挡的战争机器。
LaughGlad7650
Ah yes, the man who rallied an entire UN force with low morale after the events at Chosin and launched a massive counter offensive pushing the communist out of Seoul and the 38th parallel
啊，没错，就是那个男人，他在长津湖的战斗之后，将士气低落的整个联合国军再次团结了起来，并且发动了一场大规模的反击战，将gczy者从38线的南边赶了回去。
BTW does anyone where is 上甘岭(Shang Gan Ling) because every time when looking at Korean War history from the Chinese side they would always say it’s one or if not the bloodiest battles in the war and how they managed to inflict massive casualties against the UN forces despite them having complete air and artillery superiority and the entire area being defended by a small number of Chinese forces and they are always seem proud about it
顺便说一句，有人知道上甘岭在哪吗？每次从中国方面的角度看朝鲜战争的历史的时候，他们总是说上甘岭是最为血腥的一场战役之一，尽管联合国军拥有完全的空优和火炮优势，整片区域只由很少的中国部队防守，但他们还是给联合国军造成了巨大的伤亡，并且他们好像总是对这个很自豪。
Ah yes, the man who rallied an entire UN force with low morale after the events at Chosin and launched a massive counter offensive pushing the communist out of Seoul and the 38th parallel
啊，没错，就是那个男人，他在长津湖的战斗之后，将士气低落的整个联合国军再次团结了起来，并且发动了一场大规模的反击战，将gczy者从38线的南边赶了回去。
BTW does anyone where is 上甘岭(Shang Gan Ling) because every time when looking at Korean War history from the Chinese side they would always say it’s one or if not the bloodiest battles in the war and how they managed to inflict massive casualties against the UN forces despite them having complete air and artillery superiority and the entire area being defended by a small number of Chinese forces and they are always seem proud about it
顺便说一句，有人知道上甘岭在哪吗？每次从中国方面的角度看朝鲜战争的历史的时候，他们总是说上甘岭是最为血腥的一场战役之一，尽管联合国军拥有完全的空优和火炮优势，整片区域只由很少的中国部队防守，但他们还是给联合国军造成了巨大的伤亡，并且他们好像总是对这个很自豪。
Laphad
They say they inflicted around 30k casualties against the UN forces but IIRC UN sources say it's more like 6k
他们说他们给联合国军造成了三万多的伤亡，但我记得联合国方面说也就六千多人
They say they inflicted around 30k casualties against the UN forces but IIRC UN sources say it's more like 6k
他们说他们给联合国军造成了三万多的伤亡，但我记得联合国方面说也就六千多人
LaughGlad7650
Sounds like someone has been lying because I remember they even said that they managed to stopped 900 plus enemy attacks during the battle and took out two enemy regiments
听起来好像有人说谎了，因为我记得他们甚至说过他们成功阻止了九百多次敌人的进攻，并且拿下了敌人的两个团
Sounds like someone has been lying because I remember they even said that they managed to stopped 900 plus enemy attacks during the battle and took out two enemy regiments
听起来好像有人说谎了，因为我记得他们甚至说过他们成功阻止了九百多次敌人的进攻，并且拿下了敌人的两个团
Edit: my mistake, the part where they said they took out two regiments was actually in another battle which they stated they took out two South Korean regiments
编辑：我弄错了，他们打掉了敌人的两个团是在另一场战争，他们是拿下了南朝鲜的两个团
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编辑：我弄错了，他们打掉了敌人的两个团是在另一场战争，他们是拿下了南朝鲜的两个团
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Xciv
Casualty numbers for any war is never accurate. There is always too much incentive for both sides to exaggerate numbers.
任何一场战争的伤亡数字都永远不可能是准确的。双方都有非常充分的动机去夸大数字。
Casualty numbers for any war is never accurate. There is always too much incentive for both sides to exaggerate numbers.
任何一场战争的伤亡数字都永远不可能是准确的。双方都有非常充分的动机去夸大数字。
I mean we see this with the Ukrainian War unfolding right this second. Even in the age of social media, everybody having a camera in their pocket, and nerds meticulously combing through confirmed losses, it's still impossible to get any sort of accurate casualty count.
此时此刻正在发生的这场乌克兰战争就是如此。即便是在社交媒体的年代，每个人口袋里都揣着个摄像头，还有一帮军宅在苦心梳理确认损伤，仍然不可能得到准确的伤亡数字。
此时此刻正在发生的这场乌克兰战争就是如此。即便是在社交媒体的年代，每个人口袋里都揣着个摄像头，还有一帮军宅在苦心梳理确认损伤，仍然不可能得到准确的伤亡数字。
Novarest
DAE miss the time where the UN was bad ass and fighting actual wars for freedom and democracy?
有人怀念那个联合国就是最牛逼的、为了民主和自由而去发起真正的战争的时代吗？
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DAE miss the time where the UN was bad ass and fighting actual wars for freedom and democracy?
有人怀念那个联合国就是最牛逼的、为了民主和自由而去发起真正的战争的时代吗？
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CircuitousProcession
The vast majority of "UN" forces in the Korean War were Americans. Like 95%, not counting the South Koreans. European countries didn't really participate at a meaningful level despite the fact that they all voted in support of the US mission. Only the Brits did much of anything, but did very little compared to the US. Everyone was on board though, in spirit, which meant very little on the ground when the North Koreans and Chinese had millions of troops involved on the other side.
朝鲜战争中的“联合国”军，绝大部分都是美国人。差不多得有95%，不算南朝鲜人的话。欧洲国家其实并没有做出什么有意义的贡献，尽管他们全都表示投票支持美国的任务。只有英国人真的出了力，但跟美国相比也几乎算不上。但从精神上来看，确实是大家都在一条船上，只不过放在战场上这一切都没什么意义了，毕竟对面的北朝鲜和中国加在一起有几百万的军队。
The vast majority of "UN" forces in the Korean War were Americans. Like 95%, not counting the South Koreans. European countries didn't really participate at a meaningful level despite the fact that they all voted in support of the US mission. Only the Brits did much of anything, but did very little compared to the US. Everyone was on board though, in spirit, which meant very little on the ground when the North Koreans and Chinese had millions of troops involved on the other side.
朝鲜战争中的“联合国”军，绝大部分都是美国人。差不多得有95%，不算南朝鲜人的话。欧洲国家其实并没有做出什么有意义的贡献，尽管他们全都表示投票支持美国的任务。只有英国人真的出了力，但跟美国相比也几乎算不上。但从精神上来看，确实是大家都在一条船上，只不过放在战场上这一切都没什么意义了，毕竟对面的北朝鲜和中国加在一起有几百万的军队。
That's why it was a "UN" mission, because the UN voted in favor of the mission. But the US did basically all the work and incurred basically all the cost.
所以这是一场“联合国”任务，因为联合国投票对这次任务表示支持。但美国实际上做了全部的工作，并且也几乎承担了所有的成本。
所以这是一场“联合国”任务，因为联合国投票对这次任务表示支持。但美国实际上做了全部的工作，并且也几乎承担了所有的成本。
Skraekling
Be so based that even ideological enemies can only respect you.
如此牛逼以至于意识形态上的敌人都只能尊重你。
Be so based that even ideological enemies can only respect you.
如此牛逼以至于意识形态上的敌人都只能尊重你。
Shadow0fAnubis
Can Hollywood do the same ?
好莱坞能做到吗？
Can Hollywood do the same ?
好莱坞能做到吗？
Ginger741
The ending of 'We were Soldiers' got kinda close to it. The movie had flaws especially with the wives back home not knowing what racism was. But they showed the vietnamese as competent and brave.
《我们曾经是战士》这部电影可能挺接近的吧。这部电影也有瑕疵，尤其是家里的那些夫人们都不知道什么是种族主义。但电影里的越南人勇敢而强大。
The ending of 'We were Soldiers' got kinda close to it. The movie had flaws especially with the wives back home not knowing what racism was. But they showed the vietnamese as competent and brave.
《我们曾经是战士》这部电影可能挺接近的吧。这部电影也有瑕疵，尤其是家里的那些夫人们都不知道什么是种族主义。但电影里的越南人勇敢而强大。
CaptianStabbin
Showed the Vietnamese commander as basically on par with Col. Moore and had both sides pitted against each other in a deadlocked match with both each side playing to their own strengths respectively. NVA with numbers, home field advantage, and to a degree fanaticism and experience from beating the French; and The Americans with Firepower, Discipline, and Flexibility to the situation at hand. Truly had no one side being OP or only winning because of plot.
越南指挥官基本上和摩尔中校水平相当，双方在一场有来无回的较量中，利用自己的优势。北越军队的优势是数量、主场优势、一定程度的狂热，以及击败法国人的经验；而美国人则是火力优势、纪律，以及灵活应对局势的能力。确实没有一方是因为太强了，或者依靠剧情杀赢的。
Showed the Vietnamese commander as basically on par with Col. Moore and had both sides pitted against each other in a deadlocked match with both each side playing to their own strengths respectively. NVA with numbers, home field advantage, and to a degree fanaticism and experience from beating the French; and The Americans with Firepower, Discipline, and Flexibility to the situation at hand. Truly had no one side being OP or only winning because of plot.
越南指挥官基本上和摩尔中校水平相当，双方在一场有来无回的较量中，利用自己的优势。北越军队的优势是数量、主场优势、一定程度的狂热，以及击败法国人的经验；而美国人则是火力优势、纪律，以及灵活应对局势的能力。确实没有一方是因为太强了，或者依靠剧情杀赢的。
murphymc
Tora Tora Tora probably does this the best. Portrays the Japanese as competent foes handing America a clear and obvious defeat, and presents their perspective in a very unbiased way. Exceptional film.
《虎，虎，虎》或许是最成功的。将日本人塑造成了能够给美国人一场干净利落的败北的强大对手，并且用非常不偏不倚的角度展示了他们的看法。史无前例的好电影。
Tora Tora Tora probably does this the best. Portrays the Japanese as competent foes handing America a clear and obvious defeat, and presents their perspective in a very unbiased way. Exceptional film.
《虎，虎，虎》或许是最成功的。将日本人塑造成了能够给美国人一场干净利落的败北的强大对手，并且用非常不偏不倚的角度展示了他们的看法。史无前例的好电影。
officefridge
Stop, i can only get so erect.
别说了，再说我就硬了。
Stop, i can only get so erect.
别说了，再说我就硬了。
That film is the benchmark for excellence. The events themselves are so dramatic, there's no need for extra music or overbearing acting. SPECTACULAR, i have never seen anything like it ever again
这部电影就是教科书级的优秀。因为事件本身就足够戏剧性了，所以不需要额外的音乐或者夸张的演技。非常出色，我此后再也没见过这么棒的电影了。
这部电影就是教科书级的优秀。因为事件本身就足够戏剧性了，所以不需要额外的音乐或者夸张的演技。非常出色，我此后再也没见过这么棒的电影了。
murphymc
This'll blow your mind then; Midway(2019) is the closest you'll see to Tora Tora Tora in modern cinema. They do a very good job with the history while still making an exciting film. And it was made by Roland-fucking-Emerich of all people.
那这部电影应该能让你惊叹：2019年的《中途岛》应该是你能在现代电影院里见到的，最接近《虎，虎，虎》的电影了。他们在还原历史的同时，仍然拍了非常激动人心的电影。并且还是罗兰他妈的艾默里奇拍的。
This'll blow your mind then; Midway(2019) is the closest you'll see to Tora Tora Tora in modern cinema. They do a very good job with the history while still making an exciting film. And it was made by Roland-fucking-Emerich of all people.
那这部电影应该能让你惊叹：2019年的《中途岛》应该是你能在现代电影院里见到的，最接近《虎，虎，虎》的电影了。他们在还原历史的同时，仍然拍了非常激动人心的电影。并且还是罗兰他妈的艾默里奇拍的。
Jankosi
Tora Tora Tora is god tier
《虎，虎，虎》，永远滴神
Tora Tora Tora is god tier
《虎，虎，虎》，永远滴神
Amy_Ponder
Zhukov is portrayed as an absolute chad in The Death of Stalin.
在《斯大林之死》里，朱可夫也是非常牛逼的形象
Zhukov is portrayed as an absolute chad in The Death of Stalin.
在《斯大林之死》里，朱可夫也是非常牛逼的形象
WhoDisagrees
Letters From Iwo Jima does a lot of that, the speech Ken Watanabe gives is awesome, and the guy he is based on is ridgeway-esque at least in terms of competence, leading from the front and caring about his people.
《硫磺岛家书》就拍了这方面的内容，渡边谦的演讲很出色，并且这个角色牛逼的地方也和李奇微很像——至少也很有能力，愿意亲赴前线领导，并且在乎自己的手下
Letters From Iwo Jima does a lot of that, the speech Ken Watanabe gives is awesome, and the guy he is based on is ridgeway-esque at least in terms of competence, leading from the front and caring about his people.
《硫磺岛家书》就拍了这方面的内容，渡边谦的演讲很出色，并且这个角色牛逼的地方也和李奇微很像——至少也很有能力，愿意亲赴前线领导，并且在乎自己的手下
That said, the japanese armies he played a part in leading committed serious warcrimes in Hong Kong and other places.
话虽如此，他所服役的日本军队在香港和其他地方确实犯下了严重的战争罪行。
话虽如此，他所服役的日本军队在香港和其他地方确实犯下了严重的战争罪行。
INeedBetterUsrname
You know the IJA was fucked up when the commander of Iwo Jima forbid banzai charges, only for lower rank officers to still do it.
当硫磺岛的总指挥都因为下级军官还在万岁自杀冲锋而禁止这种行为的时候，你就知道日本陆军烂透了
You know the IJA was fucked up when the commander of Iwo Jima forbid banzai charges, only for lower rank officers to still do it.
当硫磺岛的总指挥都因为下级军官还在万岁自杀冲锋而禁止这种行为的时候，你就知道日本陆军烂透了
murphymc
I specifically ordered them NOT to kill themselves!
“我特地命令他们不要自杀！”
I specifically ordered them NOT to kill themselves!
“我特地命令他们不要自杀！”
One of the more unintentionally funny lines in cinema.
电影院里无心插柳的笑点
电影院里无心插柳的笑点
Candy_Bomber
I don't know how much of a factor this plays in their respect, but it is worth noting that without Ridgway salvaging MacArthur's mess, the U.S. might have been forced to do a drastic escalation to answer the sort of devastation the Chinese were looking to cause.
我不知道这一点在他们看来有多重要，但是值得注意的一点是，如果没有李奇微过来给麦克阿瑟擦屁股的话，那么美国或许就只能把局势提高到非常紧张的程度，才能应对中国人想要带来的毁灭了。
I don't know how much of a factor this plays in their respect, but it is worth noting that without Ridgway salvaging MacArthur's mess, the U.S. might have been forced to do a drastic escalation to answer the sort of devastation the Chinese were looking to cause.
我不知道这一点在他们看来有多重要，但是值得注意的一点是，如果没有李奇微过来给麦克阿瑟擦屁股的话，那么美国或许就只能把局势提高到非常紧张的程度，才能应对中国人想要带来的毁灭了。
MacArthur probably would've nuked them. If they didn't know at the time how willing he was to go there, they certainly can appreciate the fact in hindsight.
麦克阿瑟很有可能直接就扔核弹了。就算他们不知道麦克阿瑟当时有多想扔，从事后来看，他们估计也能看得出来。
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麦克阿瑟很有可能直接就扔核弹了。就算他们不知道麦克阿瑟当时有多想扔，从事后来看，他们估计也能看得出来。
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saksit13429
The fact that there are two Hollywood movies about MacArthur (MacArthur, 1977 and Emperor, 2012) and none for Ridgway is ridiculous man.
事实上有两部关于麦克阿瑟的好莱坞电影（1977年的《麦克阿瑟》和2012年的《天皇》），没有一部里面的李奇微是搞笑的。
The fact that there are two Hollywood movies about MacArthur (MacArthur, 1977 and Emperor, 2012) and none for Ridgway is ridiculous man.
事实上有两部关于麦克阿瑟的好莱坞电影（1977年的《麦克阿瑟》和2012年的《天皇》），没有一部里面的李奇微是搞笑的。
blackhawk905
MacArthur is so white washed hardly anyone knows how much of a piece of shit he actually was. I only found out like two weeks ago that he had a 13/14 year old Filipino concubine that almost got him on the president's shitlist because he brought this underage sex slave to Washington DC with him.
麦克阿瑟已经被洗白得太过分了，现在根本没有人知道他到底是个什么样的人渣。我也是大概前两个星期才刚刚发现他养了一个十三四岁的菲律宾侧室，这让他差点上了总统的黑名单，因为他把这个未成年性奴带在他身边去了华盛顿特区。
MacArthur is so white washed hardly anyone knows how much of a piece of shit he actually was. I only found out like two weeks ago that he had a 13/14 year old Filipino concubine that almost got him on the president's shitlist because he brought this underage sex slave to Washington DC with him.
麦克阿瑟已经被洗白得太过分了，现在根本没有人知道他到底是个什么样的人渣。我也是大概前两个星期才刚刚发现他养了一个十三四岁的菲律宾侧室，这让他差点上了总统的黑名单，因为他把这个未成年性奴带在他身边去了华盛顿特区。
InvertedParallax
He's a legendary piece of shit, but the fact that he brought nukes into theater without telling Truman is the best.
他是一个史诗级的混球，但是他在没有告知杜鲁门的情况下把核武器运到了战区这件事是最牛逼的。
He's a legendary piece of shit, but the fact that he brought nukes into theater without telling Truman is the best.
他是一个史诗级的混球，但是他在没有告知杜鲁门的情况下把核武器运到了战区这件事是最牛逼的。
Man genuinely thought he was caesar.
这哥们真以为自己是凯撒。
这哥们真以为自己是凯撒。
ktrainor59
He'd been allowed to act like Caesar for over a decade, so is it that surprising?
他都被纵容着当了十多年的凯撒了，有那么令人惊讶吗？
He'd been allowed to act like Caesar for over a decade, so is it that surprising?
他都被纵容着当了十多年的凯撒了，有那么令人惊讶吗？
InvertedParallax
If Caesar secretly ran away in the middle of the night leaving his legion to die, I think he would have been treated more harshly.
如果凯撒也在三更半夜偷偷跑了，留下他的军团去送死，那么我觉得凯撒也会受到更残酷的对待的。
If Caesar secretly ran away in the middle of the night leaving his legion to die, I think he would have been treated more harshly.
如果凯撒也在三更半夜偷偷跑了，留下他的军团去送死，那么我觉得凯撒也会受到更残酷的对待的。
Mac had hardcore plot armor.
麦克阿瑟的主角光环实在是有点硬核了。
麦克阿瑟的主角光环实在是有点硬核了。
H0vis
He helped to desegregate the military, that made him a lot of enemies in a country that still named it's bases after traitors.
李奇微在解除军队种族隔离的过程中帮了忙，所以在这个仍然以叛徒来命名军事基地的国家里，他多了很多敌人。
He helped to desegregate the military, that made him a lot of enemies in a country that still named it's bases after traitors.
李奇微在解除军队种族隔离的过程中帮了忙，所以在这个仍然以叛徒来命名军事基地的国家里，他多了很多敌人。
Candy_Bomber
O.P. Smith is another, even more obscure name that really deserves a hell of a lot more acclaim than he gets. He is largely responsible for ensuring that Chosin Reservoir was not a complete disaster and, on the contrary, continued to deal disproportionately heavy damage to the opposition impeding them on the 70 mile march back to Hungnam.
O. P. 史密斯是另一个不为人所知，但是应该得到更多荣誉的人。长津湖没能变成一场彻底的灾难，和他有非常大的原因。不止如此，他还继续给敌人造成了不成比例的严重伤害，迫使他们反向行军70英里回到了兴南。
O.P. Smith is another, even more obscure name that really deserves a hell of a lot more acclaim than he gets. He is largely responsible for ensuring that Chosin Reservoir was not a complete disaster and, on the contrary, continued to deal disproportionately heavy damage to the opposition impeding them on the 70 mile march back to Hungnam.
O. P. 史密斯是另一个不为人所知，但是应该得到更多荣誉的人。长津湖没能变成一场彻底的灾难，和他有非常大的原因。不止如此，他还继续给敌人造成了不成比例的严重伤害，迫使他们反向行军70英里回到了兴南。
Edwardsreal
O.P Smith also has had favorable live-action depictions in Chinese media, namely the Lake Changjin films and "Going Across the Yalu", the same TV show this clip of Chinese commanders gushing about Ridgway is from.
O. P. 史密斯在中国电影里也得到了积极的描述，尤其是长津湖电影和《跨过鸭绿江》，和这个中国指挥官滔滔不绝地谈论李奇微的是同一部电视剧。
If you read Chinese accounts of Chosin by searching 奥利弗·普林斯·史密斯 "Oliver Prince Smith" in Chinese, you'll find that the Chinese are stunned at how Smith had the backbone to disobey MacArthur and Ned Almond's orders to advance as fast as possible. As no Chinese commander would ever dare to disobey orders.
如果你用中文搜索“奥利弗·普林斯·史密斯”，读一些中国方面对长津湖战役的记录的话，你会发现中国人惊讶于史密斯竟然有胆量违反麦克阿瑟和内德·阿尔蒙德全速进军的命令。没有中国指挥官敢违反命令。
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O.P Smith also has had favorable live-action depictions in Chinese media, namely the Lake Changjin films and "Going Across the Yalu", the same TV show this clip of Chinese commanders gushing about Ridgway is from.
O. P. 史密斯在中国电影里也得到了积极的描述，尤其是长津湖电影和《跨过鸭绿江》，和这个中国指挥官滔滔不绝地谈论李奇微的是同一部电视剧。
If you read Chinese accounts of Chosin by searching 奥利弗·普林斯·史密斯 "Oliver Prince Smith" in Chinese, you'll find that the Chinese are stunned at how Smith had the backbone to disobey MacArthur and Ned Almond's orders to advance as fast as possible. As no Chinese commander would ever dare to disobey orders.
如果你用中文搜索“奥利弗·普林斯·史密斯”，读一些中国方面对长津湖战役的记录的话，你会发现中国人惊讶于史密斯竟然有胆量违反麦克阿瑟和内德·阿尔蒙德全速进军的命令。没有中国指挥官敢违反命令。
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