东南亚国家中哪个国家的军事实力最强？
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Indonesia's overall military strength in Southeast Asia is unrivalled. It has a large pool of military personnel, estimated to be 1,080,000 strong, and a diverse inventory of military equipment from the United States, Russia, and various European countries. This large military is necessary to protect Indonesia's vast territory, which stretches from the border of India to the border of Papua New Guinea.
印度尼西亚的整体军事实力在东南亚地区是别的国家无可相提并论的。它拥有大量军事人员，大约有1,08万人，还装备着各种来自美国、俄罗斯和欧洲各国的各种武器装备。对于印尼这个疆域从印度边境延伸到巴布亚新几内亚如此广阔的国家的国家防卫上是必需的。
Indonesia's overall military strength in Southeast Asia is unrivalled. It has a large pool of military personnel, estimated to be 1,080,000 strong, and a diverse inventory of military equipment from the United States, Russia, and various European countries. This large military is necessary to protect Indonesia's vast territory, which stretches from the border of India to the border of Papua New Guinea.
印度尼西亚的整体军事实力在东南亚地区是别的国家无可相提并论的。它拥有大量军事人员，大约有1,08万人，还装备着各种来自美国、俄罗斯和欧洲各国的各种武器装备。对于印尼这个疆域从印度边境延伸到巴布亚新几内亚如此广阔的国家的国家防卫上是必需的。
Indonesia has the strongest military in Southeast Asia in terms of overall strength. Vietnam has the most experienced military in terms of conventional warfare, having fought against three major powers in the past: the French Empire, the United States, and the People's Republic of China. This experience has given Vietnam a deep understanding of conventional warfare and makes them a formidable opponent.
在综合实力方面，印尼拥有东南亚最强的军事力量。而越南军队则在常规战争方面拥有丰富的战争经验，在过往它曾与法兰西帝国、美国和中华人民共和国这三个大国进行了战争。这些经历让越南对常规战争有很深刻的认识，也让它成为一个可怕的竞争对手。
在综合实力方面，印尼拥有东南亚最强的军事力量。而越南军队则在常规战争方面拥有丰富的战争经验，在过往它曾与法兰西帝国、美国和中华人民共和国这三个大国进行了战争。这些经历让越南对常规战争有很深刻的认识，也让它成为一个可怕的竞争对手。
Singapore has the highest quality military equipment in Southeast Asia, making them the most advanced military in the region. They are the only country in Southeast Asia to operate the F-35, the most advanced fighter aircraft to date.
新加坡是东南亚拥有最高质量军事装备的国家，这也使它成为了该地区最先进的军队。在东南亚地区他是唯一拥有目前最先进的F-35战斗机的国家。
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新加坡是东南亚拥有最高质量军事装备的国家，这也使它成为了该地区最先进的军队。在东南亚地区他是唯一拥有目前最先进的F-35战斗机的国家。
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The problem with Indonesian military is the same with that of the Russian military - extreme corruption. Its large on paper, but that paper might as well be used to wipe your ass with.
The military budget is essentially treated like the personal property of the officers and their complicit businessmen. The mark-ups for military procurement are generally in the region of 200%. Because of this their hardware are either limited or of low quality, since they have to pay 3x the market value of each item. Equipments are also usually in a low state of readiness, due to the lack of necessary supplies and spare parts, the money for which are siphoned away.
If the country’s military ever have to face off with any of its first world neighbors (Australia and Singapore) it will definitely severely underperform. Thankfully for the time being thats extremely unlikely.
印尼军队的问题与俄罗斯军队的问题一样-极端腐败。虽然它在地图上占据很大比例是一张宽大的纸张，但它除了擦屁股似乎没有别的用。
军事预算本质上被视为军官及其共谋商人的私人财产。军事采购的利润大约为200%。因为他们的硬件有限或质量低劣，因此他们必须按每件商品市场价值三倍的费用来进行支付。由于缺乏必要的物资和备件，设备通常处于低准备状态，资金也被抽走。
如果这个国家的军队不得不面对并与它的第一邻国（澳大利亚和新加坡）之一进行对抗，那么它绝对会表现不佳。所幸的是当前这种可能性极小。
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The military budget is essentially treated like the personal property of the officers and their complicit businessmen. The mark-ups for military procurement are generally in the region of 200%. Because of this their hardware are either limited or of low quality, since they have to pay 3x the market value of each item. Equipments are also usually in a low state of readiness, due to the lack of necessary supplies and spare parts, the money for which are siphoned away.
If the country’s military ever have to face off with any of its first world neighbors (Australia and Singapore) it will definitely severely underperform. Thankfully for the time being thats extremely unlikely.
印尼军队的问题与俄罗斯军队的问题一样-极端腐败。虽然它在地图上占据很大比例是一张宽大的纸张，但它除了擦屁股似乎没有别的用。
军事预算本质上被视为军官及其共谋商人的私人财产。军事采购的利润大约为200%。因为他们的硬件有限或质量低劣，因此他们必须按每件商品市场价值三倍的费用来进行支付。由于缺乏必要的物资和备件，设备通常处于低准备状态，资金也被抽走。
如果这个国家的军队不得不面对并与它的第一邻国（澳大利亚和新加坡）之一进行对抗，那么它绝对会表现不佳。所幸的是当前这种可能性极小。
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Vietnam hasn't fought a war since its invasion of Cambodia and subsequent clash with China in 1979. Thats forty four years ago meaning the old vets are long retired or passed away. They no doubt retain knowledge of jungle warfare, but to consider them formidable today could be considered presumptuous.
自1979 年入侵柬埔寨及随后与中国发生冲突之后，越南军队就没有打过仗。那都是四十四年前的事了，这意味着他们老兵早已退休或去世。虽然说他们保留并传承了丛林战争的知识和技巧，但时至今日还认为他们很强大多少不太靠谱了。
自1979 年入侵柬埔寨及随后与中国发生冲突之后，越南军队就没有打过仗。那都是四十四年前的事了，这意味着他们老兵早已退休或去世。虽然说他们保留并传承了丛林战争的知识和技巧，但时至今日还认为他们很强大多少不太靠谱了。
That's true, but compared to its neighbors, they should still have some less outdated doctrines?
Technically, Thailand and I think Myanmar (or Cambodia?) had a border skirmish a few years ago, so if that would count…
那确实如此，不过和邻国相比，他们（越南）应该还是有那么一些还没过时的教导吧？
从技术上看，我觉得泰国和缅甸（或柬埔寨？）几年前也发生了边境冲突，所以如果这也算的话…
Technically, Thailand and I think Myanmar (or Cambodia?) had a border skirmish a few years ago, so if that would count…
那确实如此，不过和邻国相比，他们（越南）应该还是有那么一些还没过时的教导吧？
从技术上看，我觉得泰国和缅甸（或柬埔寨？）几年前也发生了边境冲突，所以如果这也算的话…
Indonesia, with it’s vast population, and indonesia’s industrial strength that are the largest in the entire region, and one of the largest in the world can literally raise the largest army in this region without breaking much sweat
印度尼西亚拥有众多人口，其工业实力在整个（东南亚）地区来说也是最大的，是世界上最大的几个拥有较强工业实力国家之一，所以组建该地区最大的军队并非难事。
印度尼西亚拥有众多人口，其工业实力在整个（东南亚）地区来说也是最大的，是世界上最大的几个拥有较强工业实力国家之一，所以组建该地区最大的军队并非难事。
This kinda dilemmatic answer.
One part of me don't really agree we should go sharpening the blades and flashing the guns.
One other part of me just love the patriotic spirit and chest beating.
Tho, combining both. Our real strength is in our diplomatic capability. We good using our words. Our pen does sharper than sword.
The independence war, we stalled enough the Dutch+Brits and buying time. Then managed to gain help from two sides of global super power. Soviet gave us cool toys, and uncle Sam threatens their Marshall Aid for Dutch. Diplomatic capability like this is the actual weapon that was deployed that time.
Well, past is a great teacher and a good tool to predict future. We did it in the past, we can do it again in the future.
We saw how angry people supplied by weapons, such as Vietnam, Afghan, and Ukraine can hold out powerful military. Quarter billions of them angry people spread into several island with its own jungles and huge sea borders. Give them some anti-air, ship and missiles and see what happens. Ask Dutch and Brits. they got experience regarding these.
All that if we somehow cant keeping friend. Which is the opposite of what we are doing all this time. Try to be as friendly as possible. Avoiding allied with one side only to gain some enemy. Trading with all side in geopolitics. Active in multiple global forum while holding neutrality. Making us much more comforting to be around a less threatening. Being an invisible giant does have its perk.
Also, yes. We already top 13 military strength while only pouring only 0,8% GDP to military. (8-ish bills from a trill). While average countries spent 2-ish%. We could triple it with some spare left. But, increasing that number just increasing tension. (I also want to mention the corruption but thats will trigger me another furius wall of text)
I mean, imagine if suddenly we have several carrier hulls laid down, rocket launch schedules, and assign some bomb test site. I’m sure the neighbors Five Power Defence Arrangements paperwork will be dusted off again from the shelves.
Much better to allocate those money for a nice resort in one of our beach. Coconut drink taste really good in warm bright day. Everyone should try it.
这是一个有些矛盾的答案。
我内心的一部分其实并不真正赞同我们应该磨利刀剑擦好钢枪上场杀敌。而另一方面的我只是喜欢爱国精神和文韬武略地博弈。嗯，把两样联系起来。我们的优势是我们的外交能力。我们善于言辞。我们的钢笔比刀剑更加锋利。
独立战争中，我们拖住了荷兰和英国，并赢得了解放独立的时间。随后设法获得了全球两个超级大国在各方面的帮助。苏联提供给了我们很酷的装备，美国则威胁荷兰人进行了马歇尔援助。这样的能力才是那时最实际有力的武器。
恩，历史是一位伟大的老师，也是预测未来的好工具。我们曾经这样做过，将来我们还可以这样做。
我们看到如越南、阿富汗和乌克兰等装备武器的愤怒人民能够抵挡强大的军队。数十亿愤怒的人们被分散到了几个岛屿上，这些岛屿拥有丛林和广阔的海洋边界。那么给他们一些防空武器、舰艇和导弹，看看会发生什么。可以问问荷兰人和英国人，他们在这些方面是有经验的。
如果我们无法保持这种朋友关系的话，那一切都会发生。这与我们一直以来所做的是恰恰相反的。尽量表现得更加友好。避免与一方结盟那样只会增加敌人数量。与地缘政治各方进行贸易，活跃于多个全球论坛，同时保持中立。让我们的周围出现更小的威胁，那么我们也会感到更加舒适。作为一个隐形巨人确实也有好处。
另外，我们的军事实力已经排在前 13 位，但军事投入只占 GDP 的 0.8%。而其他国家的军事投入平均数为占比GDP的2%左右。而这之间差额的部分，我们可以把军事实力增加三倍。但是这只会加剧地区的紧张局势。（我本还想提一下腐败，但那样的话我将不会就此打住的）
想象一下，如果我们突然建造了几艘航母船体，也制定了火箭发射时间表，并指定一些炸弹试验场点。我确信五国联防的邻居会立刻就此事与我们进行交涉的。
我想还不如把这些钱花在我们海滩上，建设一个漂亮的度假村。在温暖明亮的日子里，椰子饮料的味道真的很不错。而且每个人都应该尝试一下。
One part of me don't really agree we should go sharpening the blades and flashing the guns.
One other part of me just love the patriotic spirit and chest beating.
Tho, combining both. Our real strength is in our diplomatic capability. We good using our words. Our pen does sharper than sword.
The independence war, we stalled enough the Dutch+Brits and buying time. Then managed to gain help from two sides of global super power. Soviet gave us cool toys, and uncle Sam threatens their Marshall Aid for Dutch. Diplomatic capability like this is the actual weapon that was deployed that time.
Well, past is a great teacher and a good tool to predict future. We did it in the past, we can do it again in the future.
We saw how angry people supplied by weapons, such as Vietnam, Afghan, and Ukraine can hold out powerful military. Quarter billions of them angry people spread into several island with its own jungles and huge sea borders. Give them some anti-air, ship and missiles and see what happens. Ask Dutch and Brits. they got experience regarding these.
All that if we somehow cant keeping friend. Which is the opposite of what we are doing all this time. Try to be as friendly as possible. Avoiding allied with one side only to gain some enemy. Trading with all side in geopolitics. Active in multiple global forum while holding neutrality. Making us much more comforting to be around a less threatening. Being an invisible giant does have its perk.
Also, yes. We already top 13 military strength while only pouring only 0,8% GDP to military. (8-ish bills from a trill). While average countries spent 2-ish%. We could triple it with some spare left. But, increasing that number just increasing tension. (I also want to mention the corruption but thats will trigger me another furius wall of text)
I mean, imagine if suddenly we have several carrier hulls laid down, rocket launch schedules, and assign some bomb test site. I’m sure the neighbors Five Power Defence Arrangements paperwork will be dusted off again from the shelves.
Much better to allocate those money for a nice resort in one of our beach. Coconut drink taste really good in warm bright day. Everyone should try it.
这是一个有些矛盾的答案。
我内心的一部分其实并不真正赞同我们应该磨利刀剑擦好钢枪上场杀敌。而另一方面的我只是喜欢爱国精神和文韬武略地博弈。嗯，把两样联系起来。我们的优势是我们的外交能力。我们善于言辞。我们的钢笔比刀剑更加锋利。
独立战争中，我们拖住了荷兰和英国，并赢得了解放独立的时间。随后设法获得了全球两个超级大国在各方面的帮助。苏联提供给了我们很酷的装备，美国则威胁荷兰人进行了马歇尔援助。这样的能力才是那时最实际有力的武器。
恩，历史是一位伟大的老师，也是预测未来的好工具。我们曾经这样做过，将来我们还可以这样做。
我们看到如越南、阿富汗和乌克兰等装备武器的愤怒人民能够抵挡强大的军队。数十亿愤怒的人们被分散到了几个岛屿上，这些岛屿拥有丛林和广阔的海洋边界。那么给他们一些防空武器、舰艇和导弹，看看会发生什么。可以问问荷兰人和英国人，他们在这些方面是有经验的。
如果我们无法保持这种朋友关系的话，那一切都会发生。这与我们一直以来所做的是恰恰相反的。尽量表现得更加友好。避免与一方结盟那样只会增加敌人数量。与地缘政治各方进行贸易，活跃于多个全球论坛，同时保持中立。让我们的周围出现更小的威胁，那么我们也会感到更加舒适。作为一个隐形巨人确实也有好处。
另外，我们的军事实力已经排在前 13 位，但军事投入只占 GDP 的 0.8%。而其他国家的军事投入平均数为占比GDP的2%左右。而这之间差额的部分，我们可以把军事实力增加三倍。但是这只会加剧地区的紧张局势。（我本还想提一下腐败，但那样的话我将不会就此打住的）
想象一下，如果我们突然建造了几艘航母船体，也制定了火箭发射时间表，并指定一些炸弹试验场点。我确信五国联防的邻居会立刻就此事与我们进行交涉的。
我想还不如把这些钱花在我们海滩上，建设一个漂亮的度假村。在温暖明亮的日子里，椰子饮料的味道真的很不错。而且每个人都应该尝试一下。
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