奇葩战争：俄罗斯龟式坦克
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题图：经过改装后的俄式坦克，变成“龟式”坦克了。
题图：经过改装后的俄式坦克，变成“龟式”坦克了。
With the war in Ukraine grinding on, both sides have evolved their warfare tactics as what was once thought to be effective has proven otherwise. This of course will continue to happen as it has in most wars as the two sides escalate and jostle for position on the front. One of the weirdest recently developments has been the Russian “Turtle Tanks.”
随着乌克兰战争的持续进行，双方都在不断改进其战争战术，因为曾经被认为有效的战术已被证明并非如此。当然，随着战争的升级和双方在前线的争夺，这种情况会像大多数战争一样继续发生。最近最奇怪的发展之一是俄罗斯的“龟式坦克”。
随着乌克兰战争的持续进行，双方都在不断改进其战争战术，因为曾经被认为有效的战术已被证明并非如此。当然，随着战争的升级和双方在前线的争夺，这种情况会像大多数战争一样继续发生。最近最奇怪的发展之一是俄罗斯的“龟式坦克”。
Seen in certain areas, these Turtle Tanks are often T-72s with a makeshift shell or outer hull made of rebar, corrugated sheet metal, or other scraps welded together. It’s supposed to help guard against the pervasive FPV drone attacks performed by Ukrainian forces.
在某些地区，这些“龟式坦克”通常是由钢筋、波纹金属板或其他废料焊接而成的临时外壳或车体的T-72坦克。据说这有助于抵御乌克兰部队无孔不入的FPV无人机攻击。
（译者注：FPV是英文First Person View的缩写，即“第一人称主视角”，它是一种基于遥控航空模型或者车辆模型上加装无线摄像头回传设备，在地面看屏幕操控模型的玩法。）
在某些地区，这些“龟式坦克”通常是由钢筋、波纹金属板或其他废料焊接而成的临时外壳或车体的T-72坦克。据说这有助于抵御乌克兰部队无孔不入的FPV无人机攻击。
（译者注：FPV是英文First Person View的缩写，即“第一人称主视角”，它是一种基于遥控航空模型或者车辆模型上加装无线摄像头回传设备，在地面看屏幕操控模型的玩法。）
When these monstrosities first rolled out, some praised the innovative nature of Russian forces. They seemed to believe these shells would stop Ukrainian forces from destroying the tanks, giving the other side quite the advantage.
当这些怪胎首次问世时，一些人称赞了俄军的创新性。他们似乎认为，这些外壳可以阻止乌克兰军队摧毁坦克，让对方占尽优势。
当这些怪胎首次问世时，一些人称赞了俄军的创新性。他们似乎认为，这些外壳可以阻止乌克兰军队摧毁坦克，让对方占尽优势。
Only, it hasn’t played out quite that way at all.
然而，事实并非如此。
然而，事实并非如此。
One big problem with the Turtle Tanks is the shell limits gun rotation and the crew’s visibility. Ironically, that can make the tanks more vulnerable to attack. It’s like how during WWII some tanks were so heavily armored they were slow and got stuck often, the very thing that was supposed to protect the crew becoming a huge liability.
龟式坦克的一个大问题是外壳限制了火炮的旋转和乘员的视野。具有讽刺意味的是，这可能使坦克更容易受到攻击。这就像在二战期间，有些坦克装甲太厚，速度很慢，而且经常被卡住，本应保护乘员的东西却成了巨大的负担。
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龟式坦克的一个大问题是外壳限制了火炮的旋转和乘员的视野。具有讽刺意味的是，这可能使坦克更容易受到攻击。这就像在二战期间，有些坦克装甲太厚，速度很慢，而且经常被卡住，本应保护乘员的东西却成了巨大的负担。
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These tanks sometimes have rollers or ploughs attached to the front to trigger enemy landmines. We saw similar implements used on US and allied armored vehicles way back during Desert Storm, so that’s not exactly cutting-edge stuff.
这些坦克有时会在前部安装滚轮或犁，以触发敌人的地雷。早在“沙漠风暴”期间，我们就看到美国和盟军的装甲车使用了类似的工具，所以这并不是什么尖端科技。
这些坦克有时会在前部安装滚轮或犁，以触发敌人的地雷。早在“沙漠风暴”期间，我们就看到美国和盟军的装甲车使用了类似的工具，所以这并不是什么尖端科技。
But what is interesting is a video shared by the official Ministry of Defense of Ukraine’s X account showing one of these turtle tanks with the rollers being destroyed by what appears to be multiple landmines at once. How exactly that happened isn’t clear. It could be Ukraine is has the ability to switch some mines to remove detonation or there’s a delay, or perhaps another innovation.
但有趣的是，乌克兰国防部官方X账户分享的一段视频显示，一辆装有滚轮的龟式坦克被多个地雷同时炸毁。具体是如何发生的还不清楚。可能是乌克兰有能力切换某些地雷以消除引爆，也可能是存在延时或其他创新的引爆方式。
但有趣的是，乌克兰国防部官方X账户分享的一段视频显示，一辆装有滚轮的龟式坦克被多个地雷同时炸毁。具体是如何发生的还不清楚。可能是乌克兰有能力切换某些地雷以消除引爆，也可能是存在延时或其他创新的引爆方式。
This just shows the arms race going on in the Ukraine War. One side thinks it has the upper hand with a new toy and the other shows maybe that’s not the case. That’s partly why the fighting continues grinding on.
这恰恰显出了乌克兰战争中的军备竞赛。一方认为自己有了新玩具，占了上风，而另一方则认为事实并非如此。这也是战斗持续不断的部分原因。
这恰恰显出了乌克兰战争中的军备竞赛。一方认为自己有了新玩具，占了上风，而另一方则认为事实并非如此。这也是战斗持续不断的部分原因。
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@mark
Russia is desperate, they didn't know how bad their army was before they tried to invade Ukraine. Russians are finding out now, as is the rest of the world.
俄罗斯已经走投无路，他们在试图入侵乌克兰之前并不知道自己的军队有多糟糕。现在俄罗斯人发现了，世界上的其他国家也发现了。
Russia is desperate, they didn't know how bad their army was before they tried to invade Ukraine. Russians are finding out now, as is the rest of the world.
俄罗斯已经走投无路，他们在试图入侵乌克兰之前并不知道自己的军队有多糟糕。现在俄罗斯人发现了，世界上的其他国家也发现了。
@Paul
That's why they're moving forward on all fronts and the Ukrainians are retreating.
这就是为什么他们在各条战线上都在前进，而乌克兰人却在撤退。
That's why they're moving forward on all fronts and the Ukrainians are retreating.
这就是为什么他们在各条战线上都在前进，而乌克兰人却在撤退。
@Olgert25
"Like the rest of the world."
The false consensus effect (or false agreement effect) is the tendency to project one's way of thinking onto other people.
In other words, people tend to believe that everyone else thinks exactly the same as they do.
“和世界其他地方一样”。
虚假共识效应（或虚假一致效应）是一种将自己的思维方式投射到他人身上的倾向。
换句话说，人们倾向于相信其他人的想法与自己完全一样。（实际并非如此）
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"Like the rest of the world."
The false consensus effect (or false agreement effect) is the tendency to project one's way of thinking onto other people.
In other words, people tend to believe that everyone else thinks exactly the same as they do.
“和世界其他地方一样”。
虚假共识效应（或虚假一致效应）是一种将自己的思维方式投射到他人身上的倾向。
换句话说，人们倾向于相信其他人的想法与自己完全一样。（实际并非如此）
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@Socrates
What world are you in? Russia has demolished the Ukrainian army without breaking a sweat.
你活在哪个世界？俄罗斯不费吹灰之力就摧毁了乌克兰军队。
What world are you in? Russia has demolished the Ukrainian army without breaking a sweat.
你活在哪个世界？俄罗斯不费吹灰之力就摧毁了乌克兰军队。
@hermann
You are curiously clinging to pre-war myths that have been variously laid to permanent rest over the past two years.
The big loser in this US American proxy war against Russia on Ukrainian territory is the collective West.
Russia has shown its mettle in Kazakhstan in 2021, in the CAR for the past 20 years, and its popularity is growing exponentially all over Africa.
Why have the Yanks, the Franks and the Germs been authoritatively asked to leave Mali, Nigér, Burkina Faso, Gabon, Chad? More withdrawals are unavoidable!
你奇怪地坚持着战前的神话，而这些神话在过去的两年中已经以各种方式被永久地打破了。
在这场美国在乌克兰领土上针对俄罗斯的代理战争中，最大的输家是西方国家。
俄罗斯在2021年的哈萨克斯坦、过去20年的中非共和国都显示出了自己的实力，而且它在整个非洲的受欢迎程度也在成倍增长。
为什么美国佬、法兰克人和德国人被命令式地要求撤离马里、尼日尔、布基纳法索、加蓬和乍得？将来会有更多不可避免的撤离！
You are curiously clinging to pre-war myths that have been variously laid to permanent rest over the past two years.
The big loser in this US American proxy war against Russia on Ukrainian territory is the collective West.
Russia has shown its mettle in Kazakhstan in 2021, in the CAR for the past 20 years, and its popularity is growing exponentially all over Africa.
Why have the Yanks, the Franks and the Germs been authoritatively asked to leave Mali, Nigér, Burkina Faso, Gabon, Chad? More withdrawals are unavoidable!
你奇怪地坚持着战前的神话，而这些神话在过去的两年中已经以各种方式被永久地打破了。
在这场美国在乌克兰领土上针对俄罗斯的代理战争中，最大的输家是西方国家。
俄罗斯在2021年的哈萨克斯坦、过去20年的中非共和国都显示出了自己的实力，而且它在整个非洲的受欢迎程度也在成倍增长。
为什么美国佬、法兰克人和德国人被命令式地要求撤离马里、尼日尔、布基纳法索、加蓬和乍得？将来会有更多不可避免的撤离！
@Bones
How many troops are needed to hold Ukraine ?
守住乌克兰需要多少军队？
How many troops are needed to hold Ukraine ?
守住乌克兰需要多少军队？
@DavidJoseph
Using T-62, 72 or 80 tanks modified to clear US supplied mine fields (banned by those signatory to the Ottawa Treaty), they worked well until Congress passed and sent more missiles and artillery supplies.
Now, US installed Zelensky needs more cannon fodder, that besides several NATO SF and merc groups, France is allegedly supplying with their Foreign Legion.
他们使用T62、T72或T80型坦克，这些坦克经过改装，可以清除美国提供的雷区（《渥太华条约》签署国禁止使用），在美国国会通过并提供更多导弹和火炮之前，这些坦克一直运作良好。
现在，美国扶植的泽连斯基需要更多的炮灰，除了北约的几个自卫队和雇佣兵团体外，据称法国也在提供他们的外籍军团。
Using T-62, 72 or 80 tanks modified to clear US supplied mine fields (banned by those signatory to the Ottawa Treaty), they worked well until Congress passed and sent more missiles and artillery supplies.
Now, US installed Zelensky needs more cannon fodder, that besides several NATO SF and merc groups, France is allegedly supplying with their Foreign Legion.
他们使用T62、T72或T80型坦克，这些坦克经过改装，可以清除美国提供的雷区（《渥太华条约》签署国禁止使用），在美国国会通过并提供更多导弹和火炮之前，这些坦克一直运作良好。
现在，美国扶植的泽连斯基需要更多的炮灰，除了北约的几个自卫队和雇佣兵团体外，据称法国也在提供他们的外籍军团。
@Sax
These things are like billboards along the landscape that say here I am. Crazy Ivan...
这些东西就像沿途的广告牌，写着我就在这里（来打我呀）。疯狂的伊万们啊……
These things are like billboards along the landscape that say here I am. Crazy Ivan...
这些东西就像沿途的广告牌，写着我就在这里（来打我呀）。疯狂的伊万们啊……
@Chuck
Upset that they work for the job they were made for?
他们为自己所从事的工作感到沮丧吗？
Upset that they work for the job they were made for?
他们为自己所从事的工作感到沮丧吗？
@Pilot
Turret with main gun/coax machine gun can't traverse.
Tank crew can only see forward.
Turtle "shell" the equivalent of putting lipstick on a pig.
Russia has designed an Assault Gun, pretending to be a tank.
装有主炮/高射机枪的炮塔无法横移。
坦克乘员只能看到前方。
乌龟“外壳”相当于给猪涂口红。
俄罗斯设计了一种突击炮，假装是坦克。
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Turret with main gun/coax machine gun can't traverse.
Tank crew can only see forward.
Turtle "shell" the equivalent of putting lipstick on a pig.
Russia has designed an Assault Gun, pretending to be a tank.
装有主炮/高射机枪的炮塔无法横移。
坦克乘员只能看到前方。
乌龟“外壳”相当于给猪涂口红。
俄罗斯设计了一种突击炮，假装是坦克。
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@Sergeant
Robot or remote controlled tanks are interesting.
They are subject to jamming or worst hack to reverse course and attack the opposite.
Drones too but they're relatively inexpensive and not as lethal than tanks.
机器人或遥控坦克很有趣。
它们会受到干扰或最糟糕的黑客攻击，从而调转方向攻击相反的目标。
无人机也是，但价格相对便宜，杀伤力不如坦克。
Robot or remote controlled tanks are interesting.
They are subject to jamming or worst hack to reverse course and attack the opposite.
Drones too but they're relatively inexpensive and not as lethal than tanks.
机器人或遥控坦克很有趣。
它们会受到干扰或最糟糕的黑客攻击，从而调转方向攻击相反的目标。
无人机也是，但价格相对便宜，杀伤力不如坦克。
@declan
Scrap metal welded on top of these turtle tanks . Sounds like Russian innovation alright.
在这些龟式坦克上焊接废金属。听起来很像是俄罗斯的创新。
Scrap metal welded on top of these turtle tanks . Sounds like Russian innovation alright.
在这些龟式坦克上焊接废金属。听起来很像是俄罗斯的创新。
@Chuck
Is it working?
Appears so.
So Russian innovation wins
有用吗？
看起来是的。
所以俄罗斯的创新赢了
Is it working?
Appears so.
So Russian innovation wins
有用吗？
看起来是的。
所以俄罗斯的创新赢了
@Propaganda police, Chicago FBI
Guess what? It doesnt stop artillery rounds LOL
你猜怎么着？它挡不住炮弹。哈哈。
Guess what? It doesnt stop artillery rounds LOL
你猜怎么着？它挡不住炮弹。哈哈。
@Socrates
Turtle Tanks are used to avoid RPGs and drones.
They do their jobs well.
They not, however, invulnerable.
Artillery and heavy guns can kill them.
All they do, and do well, is to stop smaller missiles and drones.
龟式坦克是用来躲避火箭榴弹和无人机的。
它们能很好地完成任务。
然而，它们并非刀枪不入。
大炮和重炮可以杀死它们。
它们所能做到而且做得很好的，就是阻止小型导弹和无人机。
Turtle Tanks are used to avoid RPGs and drones.
They do their jobs well.
They not, however, invulnerable.
Artillery and heavy guns can kill them.
All they do, and do well, is to stop smaller missiles and drones.
龟式坦克是用来躲避火箭榴弹和无人机的。
它们能很好地完成任务。
然而，它们并非刀枪不入。
大炮和重炮可以杀死它们。
它们所能做到而且做得很好的，就是阻止小型导弹和无人机。
@hermann
I pray for peace and an end to this war but condescending articles about Russian military equipment elicit a lot of chuckles from me.
I vividly remember June through August, 2023, with the collective West waiting with bated breath to see if their stooge head in Kiev is succeeding in fighting Russia back.
He was flown out of Ukraine by foreign air forces (probably because he couldn´t trust his own pilots) to London and Washington to beg for even better and more numerous equipment.
The Germans finally gave in to his imperious demand to donate Leopard tanks and the Yanks turned around on their refusal to give him F-16 jets.
Well, the normally trustworthy New York Times reported this in that season: "Russian weapons have proven to be superior to Western weapons".
Ditto for the training of Russian soldiers compared with that of the Ukrainian conscxt slaves!
我祈祷和平，祈祷战争结束，但那些关于俄罗斯军事装备的居高临下的文章却让我忍俊不禁。
我清楚地记得，2023年6月到8月，西方集体屏息以待，看他们在基辅的走狗头子是否能成功反击俄罗斯。
他被外国空军送出乌克兰（可能是因为他不信任自己的飞行员），前往伦敦和华盛顿乞求更好、更多的装备。
德国人最终屈服于他捐赠豹式坦克的迫切要求，而美国人则转而拒绝向他提供F16战斗机。
通常值得信赖的《纽约时报》在那一季曾这样报道：“事实证明，俄罗斯武器优于西方武器”。
同理，俄罗斯士兵的训练也优于乌克兰应征入伍的奴隶！
I pray for peace and an end to this war but condescending articles about Russian military equipment elicit a lot of chuckles from me.
I vividly remember June through August, 2023, with the collective West waiting with bated breath to see if their stooge head in Kiev is succeeding in fighting Russia back.
He was flown out of Ukraine by foreign air forces (probably because he couldn´t trust his own pilots) to London and Washington to beg for even better and more numerous equipment.
The Germans finally gave in to his imperious demand to donate Leopard tanks and the Yanks turned around on their refusal to give him F-16 jets.
Well, the normally trustworthy New York Times reported this in that season: "Russian weapons have proven to be superior to Western weapons".
Ditto for the training of Russian soldiers compared with that of the Ukrainian conscxt slaves!
我祈祷和平，祈祷战争结束，但那些关于俄罗斯军事装备的居高临下的文章却让我忍俊不禁。
我清楚地记得，2023年6月到8月，西方集体屏息以待，看他们在基辅的走狗头子是否能成功反击俄罗斯。
他被外国空军送出乌克兰（可能是因为他不信任自己的飞行员），前往伦敦和华盛顿乞求更好、更多的装备。
德国人最终屈服于他捐赠豹式坦克的迫切要求，而美国人则转而拒绝向他提供F16战斗机。
通常值得信赖的《纽约时报》在那一季曾这样报道：“事实证明，俄罗斯武器优于西方武器”。
同理，俄罗斯士兵的训练也优于乌克兰应征入伍的奴隶！
The Leopards as well as US American Bradleys were shredded by Russia within weeks after their deployment to the battle front.
Maybe if the West engaged in a search for a diplomatic solution to this mindless war, its own losses could be avoided and ridicule averted.
Above all, peace invariably is preferable no matter the conditions.
Human lives should be valued more highly than the control over land and water.
The West is more wrong in this confrontation than Russia - believe it!
“豹式”坦克和美制“布雷德利”战车在部署到前线后几周内就被俄罗斯摧毁了。
也许，如果西方能为这场无谓的战争寻求外交解决方案，就能避免自身的损失，避免被人嘲笑。
最重要的是，无论条件如何，和平总是可取的。
人的生命应该比土地和水资源的控制权更受重视。
在这场对抗中，西方比俄罗斯错得更多--请相信这一点！
Maybe if the West engaged in a search for a diplomatic solution to this mindless war, its own losses could be avoided and ridicule averted.
Above all, peace invariably is preferable no matter the conditions.
Human lives should be valued more highly than the control over land and water.
The West is more wrong in this confrontation than Russia - believe it!
“豹式”坦克和美制“布雷德利”战车在部署到前线后几周内就被俄罗斯摧毁了。
也许，如果西方能为这场无谓的战争寻求外交解决方案，就能避免自身的损失，避免被人嘲笑。
最重要的是，无论条件如何，和平总是可取的。
人的生命应该比土地和水资源的控制权更受重视。
在这场对抗中，西方比俄罗斯错得更多--请相信这一点！
@Bobby
Drones have changed the battlefield.
The Russians are the most creative warriors in the history of the World killing 600,000 Ukraine Troops losing themselves 13,000 KIA.
Remember, if Washington DC enters this war those 600,000 would be U.S. Troops KIA.
无人机改变了战场。
俄罗斯人是世界历史上最有创造力的战士，他们杀死了60万乌克兰军队，自己也有1.3万人阵亡。
请记住，如果华盛顿特区加入这场战争，那60万就将是阵亡的美军。
Drones have changed the battlefield.
The Russians are the most creative warriors in the history of the World killing 600,000 Ukraine Troops losing themselves 13,000 KIA.
Remember, if Washington DC enters this war those 600,000 would be U.S. Troops KIA.
无人机改变了战场。
俄罗斯人是世界历史上最有创造力的战士，他们杀死了60万乌克兰军队，自己也有1.3万人阵亡。
请记住，如果华盛顿特区加入这场战争，那60万就将是阵亡的美军。
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