孤胆英雄的较量 孙悟空VS奎托斯
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Black Myth Wukong VS Kratos
悟空VS奎托斯
Black Myth Wukong VS Kratos
悟空VS奎托斯
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AfroSenju XL
2024年8月26日
2024年8月26日
Black Myth Wukong is EASILY my game of the year! I love this game so much, I wanted to know who would win if Wukong and Kratos actually fought.
《黑神话：悟空》无疑是我今年最喜欢的游戏！我对它的喜爱之情难以言表，我很好奇，如果悟空与奎托斯(Kratos)真正对决，最终谁能获胜？
(Kratos,又名克雷多斯,是动作冒险游戏《战神》系列的主角)
《黑神话：悟空》无疑是我今年最喜欢的游戏！我对它的喜爱之情难以言表，我很好奇，如果悟空与奎托斯(Kratos)真正对决，最终谁能获胜？
(Kratos,又名克雷多斯,是动作冒险游戏《战神》系列的主角)
@davincislive
Kratos challenged gods for revenge, wukong challenged them because he was bored
奎托斯(Kratos)挑战众神是为了复仇，而悟空挑战众神是出于厌倦。
Kratos challenged gods for revenge, wukong challenged them because he was bored
奎托斯(Kratos)挑战众神是为了复仇，而悟空挑战众神是出于厌倦。
@official_ny_kings7674
Nah his reason was revenge too lowkey after the first time and the first time was cause he wanted strength
不，悟空挑战众神其实也是出于复仇，至少在第一次挑战众神之后，他是出于复仇。但是第一次挑战众神是因为他想要获得力量。
Nah his reason was revenge too lowkey after the first time and the first time was cause he wanted strength
不，悟空挑战众神其实也是出于复仇，至少在第一次挑战众神之后，他是出于复仇。但是第一次挑战众神是因为他想要获得力量。
@Jay9966
Kratos destroyed the Greek pantheon while Wukong became a pawn for the journey to the west.
奎托斯(Kratos)摧毁了希腊神话中的众神，而悟空却成为了《西游记》中的一个棋子。
Kratos destroyed the Greek pantheon while Wukong became a pawn for the journey to the west.
奎托斯(Kratos)摧毁了希腊神话中的众神，而悟空却成为了《西游记》中的一个棋子。
@trenton227
@Jay9966 they are the sane when it comes to being used by the gods.
在被神明利用这方面，他们的情况是一样的。
@Jay9966 they are the sane when it comes to being used by the gods.
在被神明利用这方面，他们的情况是一样的。
@yaldabaeoth2939
@Jay9966 He became a pawn to what would amount to khaos in greek myth who kratos isn't even close to laying a finger on
他成为了一个棋子，这在希腊神话中相当于混沌之神，奎托斯(Kratos)甚至无法触及。
@Jay9966 He became a pawn to what would amount to khaos in greek myth who kratos isn't even close to laying a finger on
他成为了一个棋子，这在希腊神话中相当于混沌之神，奎托斯(Kratos)甚至无法触及。
@official_ny_kings7674
@Jay9966 he litterally became the strongest character and wiped out like 800 gods and ruined his pantheon
他实际上成为了最强大的角色，一举击败了800位神明，并且摧毁了他们所属的神殿。
@Jay9966 he litterally became the strongest character and wiped out like 800 gods and ruined his pantheon
他实际上成为了最强大的角色，一举击败了800位神明，并且摧毁了他们所属的神殿。
@Jay9966
@official_ny_kings7674 who you taking about?
你在说谁？
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@official_ny_kings7674 who you taking about?
你在说谁？
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@Superluis6372
@official_ny_kings7674 I would say sun wukong feats but there’s so much that 1 feat can one shot kratos,
Feat 1: wukong can transform into anything he wants
Feat 2: can clone kratos and make them attack him
Literally only 2 feats they already crazy
我认为孙悟空的能力足以轻松战胜奎托斯(Kratos)，单单一招就足以致命,他具备的能力：
1、悟空能够随心所欲地变身成任何形态。
2、他能够克隆奎托斯(Kratos)，让这些克隆体去攻击本人。
仅仅这两项能力就已经非常惊人了。
@official_ny_kings7674 I would say sun wukong feats but there’s so much that 1 feat can one shot kratos,
Feat 1: wukong can transform into anything he wants
Feat 2: can clone kratos and make them attack him
Literally only 2 feats they already crazy
我认为孙悟空的能力足以轻松战胜奎托斯(Kratos)，单单一招就足以致命,他具备的能力：
1、悟空能够随心所欲地变身成任何形态。
2、他能够克隆奎托斯(Kratos)，让这些克隆体去攻击本人。
仅仅这两项能力就已经非常惊人了。
@Jay9966
@Superluis6372 transforming doesn't up his power level. Clones are not as strong as the real thing. These skills are not killing Kratos,much less one shot him.
变化术并没有提升他的力量水平。克隆体并不像本体那样强大。这些技能不足以杀死奎托斯(Kratos)，更不用说实现一击必杀了。
@Superluis6372 transforming doesn't up his power level. Clones are not as strong as the real thing. These skills are not killing Kratos,much less one shot him.
变化术并没有提升他的力量水平。克隆体并不像本体那样强大。这些技能不足以杀死奎托斯(Kratos)，更不用说实现一击必杀了。
@davincislive
@Jay9966 my comment was not pointing out who’s stronger, just that one had a valid reason and the other is a psychopath
我的评论并不是要指出谁更强，而是想说一个有正当理由，另一个则是精神病患者。
@Jay9966 my comment was not pointing out who’s stronger, just that one had a valid reason and the other is a psychopath
我的评论并不是要指出谁更强，而是想说一个有正当理由，另一个则是精神病患者。
@Jay9966
@official_ny_kings7674 Kratos literally destroyed Zeus, Kronos, and the sisters of fate. Who did Wukong beat? He was on even footing with Erlang Shen, who is basically Hercules in terms of his rank in the Celestial Court.
奎托斯(Kratos)确实击败了宙斯、克罗诺斯和命运三女神。悟空打败了谁？他和二郎神的战斗不分上下，从天庭的等级来看，二郎神基本上相当于赫拉克勒斯。
@official_ny_kings7674 Kratos literally destroyed Zeus, Kronos, and the sisters of fate. Who did Wukong beat? He was on even footing with Erlang Shen, who is basically Hercules in terms of his rank in the Celestial Court.
奎托斯(Kratos)确实击败了宙斯、克罗诺斯和命运三女神。悟空打败了谁？他和二郎神的战斗不分上下，从天庭的等级来看，二郎神基本上相当于赫拉克勒斯。
@byakuya3603
In fact, Sun Wukong's rebellion stems from his original belonging to another race - demons, a non-human race that has evolved. He once fought against the Heavenly Court and, after his defeat, started working for them, protecting the monk on his journey to the Western world to obtain the scxtures. After completing this mission, he attained Buddhahood, becoming an immortal and a deity. However, Sun Wukong is preparing to resign, giving up all his status to return to his birthplace and live in seclusion with his descendants. But the Heavenly Court is worried about Sun Wukong's divine power, so they send a large army to annihilate him once again. Although Sun Wukong has gained divine strength, he was once trapped by an imprisonment device. In the end, he falls in battle against a powerful enemy.
实际上，孙悟空的反叛源于他原本属于另一个种族——妖魔，这是一个非人类的种族，已经进化。他曾与天庭作战，失败后开始为他们工作，保护僧侣前往西方世界取经。完成这个任务后，他成佛了，成为了不朽的神。然而，孙悟空正准备放弃所有地位，回到他的出生地与他的后代隐居。但天庭担心孙悟空的神力，所以他们派出大军再次消灭他。虽然孙悟空获得了神力，但他曾经被囚禁。最后，他在与强大敌人的战斗中倒下。
In fact, Sun Wukong's rebellion stems from his original belonging to another race - demons, a non-human race that has evolved. He once fought against the Heavenly Court and, after his defeat, started working for them, protecting the monk on his journey to the Western world to obtain the scxtures. After completing this mission, he attained Buddhahood, becoming an immortal and a deity. However, Sun Wukong is preparing to resign, giving up all his status to return to his birthplace and live in seclusion with his descendants. But the Heavenly Court is worried about Sun Wukong's divine power, so they send a large army to annihilate him once again. Although Sun Wukong has gained divine strength, he was once trapped by an imprisonment device. In the end, he falls in battle against a powerful enemy.
实际上，孙悟空的反叛源于他原本属于另一个种族——妖魔，这是一个非人类的种族，已经进化。他曾与天庭作战，失败后开始为他们工作，保护僧侣前往西方世界取经。完成这个任务后，他成佛了，成为了不朽的神。然而，孙悟空正准备放弃所有地位，回到他的出生地与他的后代隐居。但天庭担心孙悟空的神力，所以他们派出大军再次消灭他。虽然孙悟空获得了神力，但他曾经被囚禁。最后，他在与强大敌人的战斗中倒下。
@hagerage4165
@Jay9966 I don't think Kratos can beat 80k versions of himself
我不认为奎托斯(Kratos)能打败80,000个自己的克隆体。
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@Jay9966 I don't think Kratos can beat 80k versions of himself
我不认为奎托斯(Kratos)能打败80,000个自己的克隆体。
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@genogrant5478
@official_ny_kings7674 nah the reason was because he felt disrespected
他之所以这样做是因为他感到被轻视。
@official_ny_kings7674 nah the reason was because he felt disrespected
他之所以这样做是因为他感到被轻视。
@official_ny_kings7674
@Jay9966 1. Journey to the west has a first half and second half. After wukong is sealed he becomes way stronger.
2. Wukong was challenged by budha to jump out of his hand and he jumped across all of heaven. Despite that he still failed why? Because budha's hand covers all of existence.
3. After that he then becomes so strong he is considered a budha something guy's like earling can't even begin to comprehend
《西游记》分为上下两部。悟空被封印之后，他的力量有了巨大的飞跃。
1、悟空接受了佛祖的挑战，试图跳出佛祖掌心，他甚至跳过整个天界。然而，他最终仍然失败了。这是为什么呢？因为佛祖的掌心象征着包含了整个宇宙的存在。
2、那之后，悟空变得极为强大，以至于被尊为佛，这是像二郎神这样的家伙所无法理解的境界。
@Jay9966 1. Journey to the west has a first half and second half. After wukong is sealed he becomes way stronger.
2. Wukong was challenged by budha to jump out of his hand and he jumped across all of heaven. Despite that he still failed why? Because budha's hand covers all of existence.
3. After that he then becomes so strong he is considered a budha something guy's like earling can't even begin to comprehend
《西游记》分为上下两部。悟空被封印之后，他的力量有了巨大的飞跃。
1、悟空接受了佛祖的挑战，试图跳出佛祖掌心，他甚至跳过整个天界。然而，他最终仍然失败了。这是为什么呢？因为佛祖的掌心象征着包含了整个宇宙的存在。
2、那之后，悟空变得极为强大，以至于被尊为佛，这是像二郎神这样的家伙所无法理解的境界。
@haleys7230
@Jay9966 Erlang is also a rebellious God, he split open a mountain that sealed his God mom (The Jade Emperor's sister) and fought the pantheon to do that too. Erlang being the only one in the heavens that can fight Wukong shouldn't be understated
二郎神也是一位反叛的神，他劈开了封印他神母（玉皇大帝的妹妹）的山，并与天庭战斗。二郎神是天庭中唯一能与悟空战斗的人，这一点不应该被低估。
@Jay9966 Erlang is also a rebellious God, he split open a mountain that sealed his God mom (The Jade Emperor's sister) and fought the pantheon to do that too. Erlang being the only one in the heavens that can fight Wukong shouldn't be understated
二郎神也是一位反叛的神，他劈开了封印他神母（玉皇大帝的妹妹）的山，并与天庭战斗。二郎神是天庭中唯一能与悟空战斗的人，这一点不应该被低估。
@qualivia
Not really....he kinda got mad after the God's gave him a minor position. Kratos for all his faults had a better reason.
事实上并非如此……悟空是因为玉皇上帝封赐给它一个微不足道的职位而感到愤怒。相较之下，奎托斯(Kratos)尽管有诸多缺陷，但他的动机更为正当。
Not really....he kinda got mad after the God's gave him a minor position. Kratos for all his faults had a better reason.
事实上并非如此……悟空是因为玉皇上帝封赐给它一个微不足道的职位而感到愤怒。相较之下，奎托斯(Kratos)尽管有诸多缺陷，但他的动机更为正当。
@Superluis6372
@Jay9966 wukong became immortal 7 time
Wukong was looking for a staff but saw a pillar that could reach the bottom of the ocean so he transformed it into a 18,000 pound staff he lifts light work
Wukong can transform himself to be stronger
He lifted 2 heavenly mountains with his shoulders
Wukong can make anything at this point the only one who can beat him is buddha
悟空获得了七次不死之身。
悟空原本寻找一根法杖，却找到了一根能深入海底的柱子，他将其变化为一根重18,000磅的法杖，对他而言，举起它轻而易举。
悟空可以让自己变得更强。
他用肩扛起了两座天空中的山峰。
到了这个阶段，没有什么能够阻挡悟空，除了佛陀，没有人能打败他。
@Jay9966 wukong became immortal 7 time
Wukong was looking for a staff but saw a pillar that could reach the bottom of the ocean so he transformed it into a 18,000 pound staff he lifts light work
Wukong can transform himself to be stronger
He lifted 2 heavenly mountains with his shoulders
Wukong can make anything at this point the only one who can beat him is buddha
悟空获得了七次不死之身。
悟空原本寻找一根法杖，却找到了一根能深入海底的柱子，他将其变化为一根重18,000磅的法杖，对他而言，举起它轻而易举。
悟空可以让自己变得更强。
他用肩扛起了两座天空中的山峰。
到了这个阶段，没有什么能够阻挡悟空，除了佛陀，没有人能打败他。
@tigerlegend87sf4
@Jay9966 Surely you can Google all his opponents right? Sun fought and defeated about 600 gods in the Celestial Realm.
你当然可以在谷歌上搜索他所有的对手，悟空战斗并打败了大约600个天界的神。
@Jay9966 Surely you can Google all his opponents right? Sun fought and defeated about 600 gods in the Celestial Realm.
你当然可以在谷歌上搜索他所有的对手，悟空战斗并打败了大约600个天界的神。
@Superluis6372
@tigerlegend87sf4 fr wukong kills kratos with a strand of his hair
悟空拔下他的一根毫毛，就杀死奎托斯(Kratos)。
@tigerlegend87sf4 fr wukong kills kratos with a strand of his hair
悟空拔下他的一根毫毛，就杀死奎托斯(Kratos)。
@TALK-is1qd
@Jay9966 You know nothing about 72 transformation, it automatically match the real thing
你对72变一无所知，它自动匹配真实的东西。
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@Jay9966 You know nothing about 72 transformation, it automatically match the real thing
你对72变一无所知，它自动匹配真实的东西。
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@Jay9966
@hagerage4165 Clones are NOT at the same power level of the original. Don't be delusional.
克隆体的力量与本体并不相同，不要妄想了。
@hagerage4165 Clones are NOT at the same power level of the original. Don't be delusional.
克隆体的力量与本体并不相同，不要妄想了。
@AtomicoMacaco
@Jay9966 Except that, for Wukong, the clones are as strong as him, and the transformations can replicate the power of whatever Wukong turns into. Heck, in his stories, his transformations always matched the power of the foes he turned into. The most infamous example is Nezha.
不过，对于悟空来说，克隆体和本体一样强，而且他的变身能力能够复制他所变化形态的力量。在他的故事里，每次变身的力量都能与他所对抗的敌人相匹敌。最著名的例子就是他与哪吒的对决。
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@Jay9966 Except that, for Wukong, the clones are as strong as him, and the transformations can replicate the power of whatever Wukong turns into. Heck, in his stories, his transformations always matched the power of the foes he turned into. The most infamous example is Nezha.
不过，对于悟空来说，克隆体和本体一样强，而且他的变身能力能够复制他所变化形态的力量。在他的故事里，每次变身的力量都能与他所对抗的敌人相匹敌。最著名的例子就是他与哪吒的对决。
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@youngsway8696
@Jay9966 his clones are as strong as the original, they possess all his abilities along with the ability to make clones of their own.
他的克隆体和本体一样强，他们拥有他所有的能力，并且还能制造他们自己的克隆体。
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@Jay9966 his clones are as strong as the original, they possess all his abilities along with the ability to make clones of their own.
他的克隆体和本体一样强，他们拥有他所有的能力，并且还能制造他们自己的克隆体。
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@durrangodsgrief6503
@Jay9966 he beat EVERYONE and erlang had to cheap shot him to bring him down
他打败了所有人，二郎神不得不用诡计将他打倒。
@Jay9966 he beat EVERYONE and erlang had to cheap shot him to bring him down
他打败了所有人，二郎神不得不用诡计将他打倒。
@Jay9966
@official_ny_kings7674 This is such a gross misunderstanding I don't even wanna debate this topic with you anymore.
1. That's not the "first" and "second" half. The sealing of Wukong literally happened in the PROLOGUE of the novel. The fact that you think it's half of the story is crazy to me. It also means you know almost nothing about the entire story.
2. The entity that challenged Wukong was Ru Lai, the leader of ALL Buddhas. Yes. There are a whole lot of Buddhas, not ONE.
3. He didn't achieve Buddhahood through strength. He achieved it because he completed the journey and attained it via enlightenment.
Please stop sprouting fake facts.
这真是一个严重的误解，我甚至不想再和你讨论这个话题了。
那不是“前”和“后”半部分。悟空被封实际上发生在小说的序言中。你认为这是故事的一半，这对我来说是疯狂的。这也意味着你对整个故事几乎一无所知。
挑战悟空的是如来，他是所有佛陀的领袖。佛陀有很多，不是只有一个。
他不是通过力量获得佛性的，他是通过完成旅程并通过启蒙获得它的，请不要再传播虚假的事实了。
@official_ny_kings7674 This is such a gross misunderstanding I don't even wanna debate this topic with you anymore.
1. That's not the "first" and "second" half. The sealing of Wukong literally happened in the PROLOGUE of the novel. The fact that you think it's half of the story is crazy to me. It also means you know almost nothing about the entire story.
2. The entity that challenged Wukong was Ru Lai, the leader of ALL Buddhas. Yes. There are a whole lot of Buddhas, not ONE.
3. He didn't achieve Buddhahood through strength. He achieved it because he completed the journey and attained it via enlightenment.
Please stop sprouting fake facts.
这真是一个严重的误解，我甚至不想再和你讨论这个话题了。
那不是“前”和“后”半部分。悟空被封实际上发生在小说的序言中。你认为这是故事的一半，这对我来说是疯狂的。这也意味着你对整个故事几乎一无所知。
挑战悟空的是如来，他是所有佛陀的领袖。佛陀有很多，不是只有一个。
他不是通过力量获得佛性的，他是通过完成旅程并通过启蒙获得它的，请不要再传播虚假的事实了。
@official_ny_kings7674
@tigerlegend87sf4 that also doesn't include the gods he beat before getting sealed
还没包括他在被封之前打败的神。
@tigerlegend87sf4 that also doesn't include the gods he beat before getting sealed
还没包括他在被封之前打败的神。
@laikhoabang
@Jay9966 the cloning thing being weaker isn't really mentioned in the novel, more so a trope of video games for the sake of balancing, at least, to my knowledge. The transforming thing doesn't up his power level is also arguable since he did get the three heads, six arms form to match that power up of nezha. It's hard to do kratos vs wukong ( novel ) since there are a variety of versions of him that it ranges from he's very capable to nigh omnipotent bull shjt. You can do the versus based on video game ip only which should lessen the inconsistency by a lot but still it's not a fair comparison since GOW world is much more fleshed out and easier to understand the magnitude of Kratos feats than that of wukong in Black myth
小说里并没有特别指出克隆体比较弱，这更多是电子游戏中为了平衡而采用的一种设定，至少据我所知是这样。至于变身是否能增强他的力量，这一点也是有争议的，因为悟空确实曾经变身为三头六臂以与哪吒的力量相匹敌。要比较《战神》中的奎托斯(Kratos)和小说中的悟空是相当困难的，因为悟空的形象多种多样，从非常能干到几乎无所不能。你可以根据电子游戏中的角色来进行比较，这样可能会减少一些不一致性，但这样的比较仍然不公平，因为《战神》的世界构建更为完整，我们更容易理解奎托斯(Kratos)的壮举，而《黑神话：悟空》中悟空的表现则不那么清晰。
@Jay9966 the cloning thing being weaker isn't really mentioned in the novel, more so a trope of video games for the sake of balancing, at least, to my knowledge. The transforming thing doesn't up his power level is also arguable since he did get the three heads, six arms form to match that power up of nezha. It's hard to do kratos vs wukong ( novel ) since there are a variety of versions of him that it ranges from he's very capable to nigh omnipotent bull shjt. You can do the versus based on video game ip only which should lessen the inconsistency by a lot but still it's not a fair comparison since GOW world is much more fleshed out and easier to understand the magnitude of Kratos feats than that of wukong in Black myth
小说里并没有特别指出克隆体比较弱，这更多是电子游戏中为了平衡而采用的一种设定，至少据我所知是这样。至于变身是否能增强他的力量，这一点也是有争议的，因为悟空确实曾经变身为三头六臂以与哪吒的力量相匹敌。要比较《战神》中的奎托斯(Kratos)和小说中的悟空是相当困难的，因为悟空的形象多种多样，从非常能干到几乎无所不能。你可以根据电子游戏中的角色来进行比较，这样可能会减少一些不一致性，但这样的比较仍然不公平，因为《战神》的世界构建更为完整，我们更容易理解奎托斯(Kratos)的壮举，而《黑神话：悟空》中悟空的表现则不那么清晰。
@Jay9966
@tigerlegend87sf4 Most of the people he fought were fodder lMao. Not a feat at all.
他对抗的大多数人不过是小角色，没什么值得夸耀的。
@tigerlegend87sf4 Most of the people he fought were fodder lMao. Not a feat at all.
他对抗的大多数人不过是小角色，没什么值得夸耀的。
@Jay9966
All these shallow knowledges about the story, fake info from sketchy websites, misinformation about the setting is really annoying. I am Chinese, I read the book as a child, and I played the God of War games.
Wukong is NOT the peak of Chinese mythicism. He's the main character of a very famous and cool story, yes. But educate yourself before you all even attempt to try to stuff BS in my face.
这些关于故事的浅薄知识，以及来自不可靠网站的错误信息和对背景的误导，真是令人烦恼。我是中国人，我小时候就读过这本书，并且我也玩过《战神》系列游戏。
悟空并不是中国神话的巅峰。他确实是一个非常著名且引人入胜的故事的主角。但在你们试图向我灌输这些无稽之谈之前，请先自我充实一下知识。
All these shallow knowledges about the story, fake info from sketchy websites, misinformation about the setting is really annoying. I am Chinese, I read the book as a child, and I played the God of War games.
Wukong is NOT the peak of Chinese mythicism. He's the main character of a very famous and cool story, yes. But educate yourself before you all even attempt to try to stuff BS in my face.
这些关于故事的浅薄知识，以及来自不可靠网站的错误信息和对背景的误导，真是令人烦恼。我是中国人，我小时候就读过这本书，并且我也玩过《战神》系列游戏。
悟空并不是中国神话的巅峰。他确实是一个非常著名且引人入胜的故事的主角。但在你们试图向我灌输这些无稽之谈之前，请先自我充实一下知识。
@Yofushii
after the end of the greek pantheon, Kratos just wanted to live and mind his own business until the Norse Pantheon kept knocking on his door so he ended Odin's rule too
在终结希腊神话体系之后，奎托斯(Kratos)只想安静地生活，直到北欧神话体系不断侵扰，他才结束了奥丁的统治。
after the end of the greek pantheon, Kratos just wanted to live and mind his own business until the Norse Pantheon kept knocking on his door so he ended Odin's rule too
在终结希腊神话体系之后，奎托斯(Kratos)只想安静地生活，直到北欧神话体系不断侵扰，他才结束了奥丁的统治。
@Jay9966
@haleys7230 And yet he's just a general for the court. Doesn't that say a lot? A being on par with Wukong had no choice but to be commanded around by the Celestial as their gaurd dog?
然而他只是一个为天庭效力的将军。这难道没有透露出什么吗？一个与悟空实力相当的人物，除了被天庭当做看门狗来使唤，别无选择？
@haleys7230 And yet he's just a general for the court. Doesn't that say a lot? A being on par with Wukong had no choice but to be commanded around by the Celestial as their gaurd dog?
然而他只是一个为天庭效力的将军。这难道没有透露出什么吗？一个与悟空实力相当的人物，除了被天庭当做看门狗来使唤，别无选择？
@jeremymelendez8406
@Jay9966 kratos was literally a pawn for Ares, they were both pawns my boy
奎托斯(Kratos)曾是阿瑞斯的棋子，他们俩都是棋子。
@Jay9966 kratos was literally a pawn for Ares, they were both pawns my boy
奎托斯(Kratos)曾是阿瑞斯的棋子，他们俩都是棋子。
@darylit799
Ryui bang > chaos blades
如意棒胜过混沌之刃。
Ryui bang > chaos blades
如意棒胜过混沌之刃。
@AsapGaming503
@Jay9966 Greek Mythology Gods are completely weaker than Chinese mythology Gods. Especially if we’re talking about the Greek Gods in the Kratos games whom were nerfed for the purpose of being killed by Kratos. Buddha is a being above all else in Chinese mythology, a being where no one could see him nor physically touch him. The universe was in his palm, that is the lore in Chinese mythology where was in Greek mythology. Zeus was simply a super natural primordial being on top of a mountain who would take advantage of everyone, raping women etc. a being above all else was the only one who could stop wukong, and we’re comparing him to Kratos? Kratos is food for wukong.
希腊神话中的神明明显比中国神话中的神明要弱。特别是我们讨论的是《战神》系列中被削弱的希腊神明，他们被削弱是为了被奎托斯(Kratos)击败。在中国文化中，佛陀是至高无上的存在，是一个无人能见、无人能触及的生物。宇宙在他的掌中，这是中国神话的传说。而在希腊神话中，宙斯只是一个在山顶上的超自然原始生物，会利用每个人，会强奸妇女等。唯一能阻止悟空的是那个世界的最高神，我们却在将他与奎托斯(Kratos)比较？奎托斯(Kratos)对悟空来说不过是小菜一碟。
@Jay9966 Greek Mythology Gods are completely weaker than Chinese mythology Gods. Especially if we’re talking about the Greek Gods in the Kratos games whom were nerfed for the purpose of being killed by Kratos. Buddha is a being above all else in Chinese mythology, a being where no one could see him nor physically touch him. The universe was in his palm, that is the lore in Chinese mythology where was in Greek mythology. Zeus was simply a super natural primordial being on top of a mountain who would take advantage of everyone, raping women etc. a being above all else was the only one who could stop wukong, and we’re comparing him to Kratos? Kratos is food for wukong.
希腊神话中的神明明显比中国神话中的神明要弱。特别是我们讨论的是《战神》系列中被削弱的希腊神明，他们被削弱是为了被奎托斯(Kratos)击败。在中国文化中，佛陀是至高无上的存在，是一个无人能见、无人能触及的生物。宇宙在他的掌中，这是中国神话的传说。而在希腊神话中，宙斯只是一个在山顶上的超自然原始生物，会利用每个人，会强奸妇女等。唯一能阻止悟空的是那个世界的最高神，我们却在将他与奎托斯(Kratos)比较？奎托斯(Kratos)对悟空来说不过是小菜一碟。
@crimsonhunter7
Okay, this whole debate is very similar to the Asura (from asura's wrath) vs Kratos fight. First off, the reality is, non of these beings, can technically actually die. Both Asura and Kratos, if they do "die", they'll just crawl back out of naraka or the underworld and potential keep coming back forever, whereas Wukong can't actually even die at all. He's literally multiple times over immortal, so the best you could possibly do is seal him like Buddha did, because there's literally no way to kill him and no one could beat him at that time except for essentially the over god of that world. So if we're gonna compare feats of strength and ability, technically speaking Wukong has the most ridiculous of them all. It's literally cartoonish, what he has done and can do. That's kind of the point. Now that doesn't mean he can't be defeated, but usually when he is its normally more often due to him being arrogant and stupid, rather than him being weaker than his opponent. So, honestly, I think its pretty fair to say that Wukong based off of his feats, is stronger than Kratos. But that doesn't mean that Kratos couldn't defeat Wukong with the right items and tactics just like how he needed the spear to beat Heimdall in ragnorok.
好的，这场辩论非常类似于阿修罗（来自《阿修罗之怒》）与克瑞托斯的战斗。首先，实际上这些生物都不能真正死亡。阿修罗和克瑞托斯如果“死”了，他们会从地狱或地下世界爬回来，可能永远不断地回来，而悟空根本无法真正死去。他实际上是多重不死的，所以你最多能做的就是像佛陀那样封印他，因为真的没有办法杀死他，当时除了那个世界的至高神之外，没有人能打败他。所以，如果我们要比较力量和能力的壮举，从技术上讲，悟空拥有最荒谬的。他所做的和能做的都是卡通般的，这就是关键。这并不意味着他不能被打败，但通常当他被打败时，通常更多是因为他傲慢和愚蠢，而不是他比对手弱。所以，老实说，我认为根据他的壮举，悟空比克瑞托斯更强是相当公平的。但这并不意味着克瑞托斯不能使用正确的物品和战术打败悟空，就像他需要长矛才能在《战神》中打败海姆达尔一样。
Okay, this whole debate is very similar to the Asura (from asura's wrath) vs Kratos fight. First off, the reality is, non of these beings, can technically actually die. Both Asura and Kratos, if they do "die", they'll just crawl back out of naraka or the underworld and potential keep coming back forever, whereas Wukong can't actually even die at all. He's literally multiple times over immortal, so the best you could possibly do is seal him like Buddha did, because there's literally no way to kill him and no one could beat him at that time except for essentially the over god of that world. So if we're gonna compare feats of strength and ability, technically speaking Wukong has the most ridiculous of them all. It's literally cartoonish, what he has done and can do. That's kind of the point. Now that doesn't mean he can't be defeated, but usually when he is its normally more often due to him being arrogant and stupid, rather than him being weaker than his opponent. So, honestly, I think its pretty fair to say that Wukong based off of his feats, is stronger than Kratos. But that doesn't mean that Kratos couldn't defeat Wukong with the right items and tactics just like how he needed the spear to beat Heimdall in ragnorok.
好的，这场辩论非常类似于阿修罗（来自《阿修罗之怒》）与克瑞托斯的战斗。首先，实际上这些生物都不能真正死亡。阿修罗和克瑞托斯如果“死”了，他们会从地狱或地下世界爬回来，可能永远不断地回来，而悟空根本无法真正死去。他实际上是多重不死的，所以你最多能做的就是像佛陀那样封印他，因为真的没有办法杀死他，当时除了那个世界的至高神之外，没有人能打败他。所以，如果我们要比较力量和能力的壮举，从技术上讲，悟空拥有最荒谬的。他所做的和能做的都是卡通般的，这就是关键。这并不意味着他不能被打败，但通常当他被打败时，通常更多是因为他傲慢和愚蠢，而不是他比对手弱。所以，老实说，我认为根据他的壮举，悟空比克瑞托斯更强是相当公平的。但这并不意味着克瑞托斯不能使用正确的物品和战术打败悟空，就像他需要长矛才能在《战神》中打败海姆达尔一样。
@Jay9966
@laikhoabang Since the exact power of the clones isn't mentioned to be weaker in the novel, you automatically assume each of them have 100% the power of the original?
Yes, he can use the transformation to alter his physical powers, but he has never used it to gain other types of power other than physical. And in mythical bs, more arms isn't exactly that powerful.
小说中并没有明确提到克隆体的力量是否较弱，你凭什么就断定他们每个人都有本体100%的力量？是的，他可以使用变形来改变他的身体力量，但他从未用它来获得除身体力量之外的其他类型的力量。而且在神话中，更多的手臂并不是那么强大。
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@laikhoabang Since the exact power of the clones isn't mentioned to be weaker in the novel, you automatically assume each of them have 100% the power of the original?
Yes, he can use the transformation to alter his physical powers, but he has never used it to gain other types of power other than physical. And in mythical bs, more arms isn't exactly that powerful.
小说中并没有明确提到克隆体的力量是否较弱，你凭什么就断定他们每个人都有本体100%的力量？是的，他可以使用变形来改变他的身体力量，但他从未用它来获得除身体力量之外的其他类型的力量。而且在神话中，更多的手臂并不是那么强大。
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@Jay9966
@AsapGaming503 You saying that the Buddha, or the the one known as Ru Lai (there are many buddhas, not just one) is above all else is highly inaccurate and very misinformed.
Ru Lai is the leader of the Buddhist Pantheon. He is the most powerful buddha yes.
He is also more powerful that the Jade Emperor.
But the Jade Emperor is NOT the peak of his respective group, the Taoist.
There are several beings that are above him. Nuwa, the being that created humans. The San Qing, the three creators of Taoism and such.
Duing Kratos' feats to say Zeus was basically a pervy lightning spirit is wild though.
你说佛陀，或者说如来（有众多佛陀，不只有一个）是至高无上的存在，这是非常不准确和误导的。
如来是佛教神话体系的领袖。他是最强大的佛陀。
他也比玉皇大帝更为强大。
但是玉皇大帝并不是他所在群体——道教的巅峰存在。
有好几个存在是高于他的。比如创造人类的女娲，三清、道教三大创始者等。
将奎托斯(Kratos)的功绩贬低，认为宙斯仅仅是一个有点变态的闪电精灵，这种说法确实过于荒诞。
@AsapGaming503 You saying that the Buddha, or the the one known as Ru Lai (there are many buddhas, not just one) is above all else is highly inaccurate and very misinformed.
Ru Lai is the leader of the Buddhist Pantheon. He is the most powerful buddha yes.
He is also more powerful that the Jade Emperor.
But the Jade Emperor is NOT the peak of his respective group, the Taoist.
There are several beings that are above him. Nuwa, the being that created humans. The San Qing, the three creators of Taoism and such.
Duing Kratos' feats to say Zeus was basically a pervy lightning spirit is wild though.
你说佛陀，或者说如来（有众多佛陀，不只有一个）是至高无上的存在，这是非常不准确和误导的。
如来是佛教神话体系的领袖。他是最强大的佛陀。
他也比玉皇大帝更为强大。
但是玉皇大帝并不是他所在群体——道教的巅峰存在。
有好几个存在是高于他的。比如创造人类的女娲，三清、道教三大创始者等。
将奎托斯(Kratos)的功绩贬低，认为宙斯仅仅是一个有点变态的闪电精灵，这种说法确实过于荒诞。
@Jay9966
@jeremymelendez8406 And after God of War 1? He literally killed Ares after God of War 1.
Wukong never destroyed anyone worth a damn.
在《战神1》之后怎么样？他在《战神1》之后真的杀了阿瑞斯。
悟空从未杀死过任何值得一提的对手。
@jeremymelendez8406 And after God of War 1? He literally killed Ares after God of War 1.
Wukong never destroyed anyone worth a damn.
在《战神1》之后怎么样？他在《战神1》之后真的杀了阿瑞斯。
悟空从未杀死过任何值得一提的对手。
@kgmrafid1428
@hagerage4165 Kratos is smart not dumb then why would he fight 80 k versions of himself?? He would just go for the monke
奎托斯(Kratos)是聪明的，不是愚蠢的，那他为什么要和悟空的80,000个克隆体战斗呢？他应该直接对付悟空。
@hagerage4165 Kratos is smart not dumb then why would he fight 80 k versions of himself?? He would just go for the monke
奎托斯(Kratos)是聪明的，不是愚蠢的，那他为什么要和悟空的80,000个克隆体战斗呢？他应该直接对付悟空。
@reiwyn
@Jay9966 Bro I don't think u realize the amount of shit u just said right now
兄弟，我觉得你刚刚说的那些话有点过分了。
@Jay9966 Bro I don't think u realize the amount of shit u just said right now
兄弟，我觉得你刚刚说的那些话有点过分了。
@AtomicoMacaco
@AsapGaming503 Not the best argument. The creators of GOW already confirmed their interpretation of the gods are supposed to be as powerful as their actual mythological counterparts. It just so happens they are represented as nerfed for the sake of making the game cinematics and gameplay fit their ideas. That is also the explanation of why Kratos sometimes struggles to open a chest or a door, but in other instances can lift stuff heavier than a building. That being said, Kratos killed Hercules, who is at the very least as strong as Atlas since both could hold the heavens, meaning the can essentially hold the entirety of the universe above Earth. And Kratos did so with sheer strength. That being said he got even stronger after GOW3, meaning he's probably capable of a lot more.
这个论点并不十分有力。《战神》系列的开发者已经明确表示，他们对神的描绘是希望他们与神话中的原型一样强大。他们之所以在游戏中被削弱，只是为了让游戏的视觉效果和玩法更符合他们的创意。这也是为什么奎托斯(Kratos)有时在打开箱子或门时显得有些吃力，但在其他时候却能够举起比建筑物还要重的物体的原因。此外，奎托斯(Kratos)击败了赫拉克勒斯，后者至少和阿特拉斯一样强大，因为他们都能够托起天空，这基本上意味着他们能够托起地球上空的整个宇宙。奎托斯(Kratos)是凭借自己的力量做到这一点的。而且，在《战神3》之后，他变得更加强大，这意味着他可能拥有更多的能力。
@AsapGaming503 Not the best argument. The creators of GOW already confirmed their interpretation of the gods are supposed to be as powerful as their actual mythological counterparts. It just so happens they are represented as nerfed for the sake of making the game cinematics and gameplay fit their ideas. That is also the explanation of why Kratos sometimes struggles to open a chest or a door, but in other instances can lift stuff heavier than a building. That being said, Kratos killed Hercules, who is at the very least as strong as Atlas since both could hold the heavens, meaning the can essentially hold the entirety of the universe above Earth. And Kratos did so with sheer strength. That being said he got even stronger after GOW3, meaning he's probably capable of a lot more.
这个论点并不十分有力。《战神》系列的开发者已经明确表示，他们对神的描绘是希望他们与神话中的原型一样强大。他们之所以在游戏中被削弱，只是为了让游戏的视觉效果和玩法更符合他们的创意。这也是为什么奎托斯(Kratos)有时在打开箱子或门时显得有些吃力，但在其他时候却能够举起比建筑物还要重的物体的原因。此外，奎托斯(Kratos)击败了赫拉克勒斯，后者至少和阿特拉斯一样强大，因为他们都能够托起天空，这基本上意味着他们能够托起地球上空的整个宇宙。奎托斯(Kratos)是凭借自己的力量做到这一点的。而且，在《战神3》之后，他变得更加强大，这意味着他可能拥有更多的能力。
@bluedragonjetyt
Kratos: "Atreus, did we beat Wukong"
Atreus: "No, that was a clone"
奎托斯(Kratos)：“阿特柔斯，我们打败了悟空吗？”
阿特柔斯：“不，那是个克隆体。”
Kratos: "Atreus, did we beat Wukong"
Atreus: "No, that was a clone"
奎托斯(Kratos)：“阿特柔斯，我们打败了悟空吗？”
阿特柔斯：“不，那是个克隆体。”
@Justa_fool
Sun wukong's clones are as strong as him and can also summon more clones, so they ain't beating the clones
孙悟空的克隆体与他本体一样强大，并且能够召唤更多的克隆体，所以他们并没有真正击败克隆体。
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Sun wukong's clones are as strong as him and can also summon more clones, so they ain't beating the clones
孙悟空的克隆体与他本体一样强大，并且能够召唤更多的克隆体，所以他们并没有真正击败克隆体。
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@BenzNaquila
He can also make clones of his opponents
他还能够制造出对手的克隆体。
He can also make clones of his opponents
他还能够制造出对手的克隆体。
@ShadowAnimeInk
My guy, Wukong is possibly the most broken character in all of fiction. Whatever character you think can beat him, Wukong can make a literal army of that character to fight back while he sits on the sideline laughing. He's also got layers upon layers of immortality. The dude is busted
哥们儿，悟空可能是所有虚构故事中最强悍的角色。无论你觉得哪个角色能打败他，悟空都能造出那个角色的一支真正的军队来反击，而他自己则可以在一旁轻松地笑着。他还拥有众多的不死之身，这家伙简直就是无敌。
My guy, Wukong is possibly the most broken character in all of fiction. Whatever character you think can beat him, Wukong can make a literal army of that character to fight back while he sits on the sideline laughing. He's also got layers upon layers of immortality. The dude is busted
哥们儿，悟空可能是所有虚构故事中最强悍的角色。无论你觉得哪个角色能打败他，悟空都能造出那个角色的一支真正的军队来反击，而他自己则可以在一旁轻松地笑着。他还拥有众多的不死之身，这家伙简直就是无敌。
@DumboyMikey
Afro if you really think Kratos even REMOTELY stands toe to toe with lore accurate sun wukong you are sadly mistaken
如果你真的认为奎托斯(Kratos)在神话中真正的孙悟空面前有任何平等对抗的可能，那你的想法就太天真了。
Afro if you really think Kratos even REMOTELY stands toe to toe with lore accurate sun wukong you are sadly mistaken
如果你真的认为奎托斯(Kratos)在神话中真正的孙悟空面前有任何平等对抗的可能，那你的想法就太天真了。
@TankTv2
i like to pretend that the devs made us play a descendant of wukong simply because the player would eventually be defeated many times and the real wukong wouldnt tolerate such a thing.
我倾向于设想开发者之所以让我们扮演悟空的后裔，是因为玩家在游戏中会多次被击败，而真正的悟空是不可能忍受这种情况的。
i like to pretend that the devs made us play a descendant of wukong simply because the player would eventually be defeated many times and the real wukong wouldnt tolerate such a thing.
我倾向于设想开发者之所以让我们扮演悟空的后裔，是因为玩家在游戏中会多次被击败，而真正的悟空是不可能忍受这种情况的。
@shuaibkamedien2203
And sun wukong wouldn't and couldn't be killed and would probably disrespect his character by letting him die to scrubs
孙悟空是不可被杀死的，如果让他死于微不足道的小角色手中，那将是对这个角色的极大不敬。
And sun wukong wouldn't and couldn't be killed and would probably disrespect his character by letting him die to scrubs
孙悟空是不可被杀死的，如果让他死于微不足道的小角色手中，那将是对这个角色的极大不敬。
@draconinja2728
You bet after i complete the game imma install mods to play as "prime" Wukong for the laughs xD
我敢打赌，等我打完游戏后，我会安装模组来扮演“原始版”的悟空，只为图个乐子，哈哈。
You bet after i complete the game imma install mods to play as "prime" Wukong for the laughs xD
我敢打赌，等我打完游戏后，我会安装模组来扮演“原始版”的悟空，只为图个乐子，哈哈。
@envyxreaper6163
@draconinja2728 lol beating the shit out of people with ease just for a laugh is certified Wukong behavior.
哈哈，轻松地打败别人，只是为了开心，这确实是悟空的风格。
@draconinja2728 lol beating the shit out of people with ease just for a laugh is certified Wukong behavior.
哈哈，轻松地打败别人，只是为了开心，这确实是悟空的风格。
@drasilisk2895
@shuaibkamedien2203 Yeah, it was cool how you couldn't take damage in the intro fight against Erlang due to Wukong being immortal
是的，开场与二郎神的战斗中，因为悟空是不死的，所以不会受到伤害，这真的很酷。
@shuaibkamedien2203 Yeah, it was cool how you couldn't take damage in the intro fight against Erlang due to Wukong being immortal
是的，开场与二郎神的战斗中，因为悟空是不死的，所以不会受到伤害，这真的很酷。
@Jay9966
@drasilisk2895 It's a tutorial and Erlang is also an immortal. So, no. It's not because he's immortal. It's because it's a tutorial.
这是教学关，而且二郎神也是不死的。所以，不是因为他是不死的，而是因为这是教学关。
@drasilisk2895 It's a tutorial and Erlang is also an immortal. So, no. It's not because he's immortal. It's because it's a tutorial.
这是教学关，而且二郎神也是不死的。所以，不是因为他是不死的，而是因为这是教学关。
@drasilisk2895
@Jay9966 There are a million tutorials that don't have the player be unkillable lol, I think it was pretty clearly intentional.
Erlang just isn't that guy I'm afraid.
有很多教学关并不让玩家无敌，我认为这显然是有意为之的。
恐怕二郎神并不是能杀死他的人。
@Jay9966 There are a million tutorials that don't have the player be unkillable lol, I think it was pretty clearly intentional.
Erlang just isn't that guy I'm afraid.
有很多教学关并不让玩家无敌，我认为这显然是有意为之的。
恐怕二郎神并不是能杀死他的人。
@Jay9966
@drasilisk2895 So? There are also a lot of tutorials where you are invincible.
LMao.
那又怎样？也有很多教学关让你无敌。
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@drasilisk2895 So? There are also a lot of tutorials where you are invincible.
LMao.
那又怎样？也有很多教学关让你无敌。
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@drasilisk2895
@Jay9966 Don't care, I'm seeing this one as being invincible to reflect Wukong being immortal
我不在乎，我认为这里的无敌是为了体现悟空的不死之身。
@Jay9966 Don't care, I'm seeing this one as being invincible to reflect Wukong being immortal
我不在乎，我认为这里的无敌是为了体现悟空的不死之身。
@CodeMilkMan
really doesn't know how strong Wukong really is. That's so cute to compare him to Kratos.
显然没有意识到悟空的真正实力。将他与奎托斯（Kratos）相提并论，这种想法显得有些幼稚。
really doesn't know how strong Wukong really is. That's so cute to compare him to Kratos.
显然没有意识到悟空的真正实力。将他与奎托斯（Kratos）相提并论，这种想法显得有些幼稚。
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