日本称中国在泰国的电动汽车热潮对其汽车市场构成巨大威胁(一)
2024-10-08 遐怪 9104
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@donvongprachanh1484
We Thai people don't care about Japanese cars. We want what best for us and our country.

我们泰国人不在乎日本车。我们想要对我们和我们的国家最有利的东西。

@sunshinesun121
Not ONLY Thailand. Malaysia , Singapore, Indonesia, Philipines, LAOS, Cambodia, Vietnam, etc. Why ... Chinese EV are BETTER Quality and Features, Slightly more expensive , Much Cheaper to Run and Maintain, Longer warranties . CONSUMERS now have a wider choice and better quality.

不仅仅是泰国。马来西亚、新加坡、印度尼西亚、菲律宾、老挝、柬埔寨、越南等。为什么……因为中国电动车质量更好、功能更强大、价格稍贵、运行和维护成本更低、保修期更长。消费者现在拥有更广泛的选择和更好的质量。

@michaelbedard7859
Welcome to the real world Japan.

欢迎来到现实世界,小日子。

@donkeykong516
Have to say that not having to inhale ICE tailpipe exhaust is a new & refreshing experience

不得不说,不用吸入燃油车 排气管废气是一种全新而令人耳目一新的体验

@kevinlin4895
Japanese automakers have had a stranglehold on Asian auto market for decades. When you have like 90% market share, there's nowhere to go but down.

日本汽车制造商几十年来一直垄断亚洲汽车市场。当市场份额达到 90% 时,就只有走下坡路了。
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@grahamf695
This will be a Harvard Business School case study for decades to come - alongside Kodak, Nokia and IBM.

这将成为未来几十年哈佛商学院的研究案例——与柯达、诺基亚和 IBM 并列。

@Victic005
For all the lies they spread about EV. They had it coming. They can build hydrogen vehicles.

他们散布了有关电动汽车的所有谎言。他们自找的。他们可以制造氢动力汽车。

@cwspirols
We have to keep in mind all the times the Japanese car makers deliberately did the wrong things with regard to adopting electric. Over and over again. Even crossing over into criminality. At this point, you just have to say they have it coming. They asked for it.

我们必须牢记,日本汽车制造商在采用电动汽车方面总是故意犯错。一次又一次。甚至越过界限走向犯罪。现在,你只能说他们罪有应得。他们自找的。

@defrigge
Toyotas CEO team obviously have completely lost their marbles.

丰田的 CEO 团队显然已经完全失去了理智。

@jgarbo3541
Thailand: Subaru quits. Honda halves out output. Toyota and Suzuki cut back. BYD making Dolphins locally, batteries coming. More EVs every day. EVs everywhere...

泰国:斯巴鲁退出。本田减产一半。丰田和铃木减产。比亚迪在当地生产海豚,电池即将问世。电动汽车每天都在增多。电动汽车无处不在……

@sbl17jackson37
Let the Japanese automakers go out of business in Thailand. Chinese made BYD EV's are superior to Japanese ICE vehicles.

让日本汽车制造商在泰国停业。中国制造的比亚迪电动汽车比日本的燃油汽车更胜一筹。

@bricolagefantasy7291
Indonesia is next. Just like thailand. Byd is eating toyota and hondas lunch.

接下来是印度尼西亚。就像泰国一样。比亚迪正在蚕食丰田和本田的市场份额。

@yaobin1
competition is always good for consumers.

竞争对于消费者来说总是有利的。
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@sarahkhan2310
China EVs industry is incredibly impressive. Well done China ️

中国电动汽车行业令人印象深刻。中国好牛

@kckfen
For the consecutive 5 months this year, Japanese auto car sales in Thailand have dropped compared to the previous year.... even they still make a large percentage of thai market, but the rapid market sales down is hitting them until Subaru manufacture cease production in Asean, and Honda has stop one of their car assembly plant in Thailand and convert to part manufacturer only. And toyota Corolla's new PHEV model will use BYD DMi hybrid system, Toyota use to be leading in hybrid technology now have to use BYD hybrid system. This tells us a lot about why the japanese auto market is in decline.

今年已连续 5 个月,日本汽车在泰国的销量与去年相比有所下降……尽管日本汽车在泰国市场仍占有较大的份额,但市场销量的快速下滑对他们造成了沉重打击,直到斯巴鲁停止在东盟的生产,本田关闭了其在泰国的一家汽车装配厂,转而成为零部件制造商。而且丰田卡罗拉的新款插电混动车型将采用比亚迪DMi混合动力系统,曾经在混合动力技术上领先的丰田现在也不得不采用比亚迪的混合动力系统。这在很大程度上解释了日本汽车市场为何会走下坡路。

@frankcoffey
Toyota had their chance, they were working with and investing in Tesla early on. They decided to bail and sell their stake.

丰田曾经有机会,他们早期与特斯拉合作并投资特斯拉。后来他们决定退出并出售所持股份。

@stelp7617
Japan auto industry is in trouble, it's too rigid in its own ways, really don't like change or admitting they got something wrong.
Honda for example, they're so deluded they think selling a base model Civic for $48k is a good idea. No more Jazz, no more City, no more Odessey. Basically, nothing under $40k if you want a Honda vehicle, with piss poor options, and one of the lowest warranty on the market, then they wonder why people look elsewhere.
I loved my little 2013 Civic hatch, zippy little 4 banger that was cheap and cheerful motoring with a 6-speed manual box. Now that it's time to move it on, I'm saying hello to a BYD Seal soon.

日本汽车业陷入困境,它太固执己见,真的不喜欢改变或承认自己做错了。
例如本田,他们太自欺欺人了,他们认为以 48000 美元的价格出售基本款思域是个好主意。不包括 Jazz(飞度海外版),不包括思迪,也不包括奥德赛。基本上,如果你想要一辆本田汽车,价格不会低于 40000 美元,而且选配很差,保修期是市场上最低的之一,然后他们确还想知道为什么消费者会把目光投向别处。
我很喜欢我那辆2013款的思域敞篷小轿车,配置小型 4 缸发动机,6速手动变速箱,价格便宜,驾驶体验极佳。现在是时候把它开走,我很快就会入手比亚迪海豹了。

@jimmiecox3183
I went to the large annnual auto show in Bangkok, EV sellers every popular. toyota did not have one BEV. they are sleeping

我去了曼谷的大型年度车展,电动车卖家都很受欢迎。丰田没有一辆电动车。他们正在睡觉

@user-nj2vv2xm4j
The writing is on the wall, nobody can compete with China and their gov with cars except Tesla.

显而易见,除了特斯拉,没有人能在汽车领域与中国及其政府竞争。

@johnmanderson2060
The 3 generation rules :
1 gen. Founds a successful business
2 gen. Run and expand the business
3 gen. Dunning-Krugger effect idiot runs the business into the ground.
Akio Toyoda’s long list of strategical business errors will be teached as the perfect example of not what to do in a car business management. In the future he will be labeled the most destructive man in Japan’s industrial history.

(富不过)3 代规则:
1 代,创立成功的企业
2 代,经营和扩展业务
3 代,邓宁-克鲁格效应,白痴将企业经营得一团糟。
丰田章男犯下的一系列战略性商业错误,将被视为汽车业务管理中不该做之事的完美范例。将来,他将被贴上日本工业史上最具破坏力的人的标签。

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@polysporin8332
The world has been paying for overpriced cars for decades, because they had no alternatives

几十年来,世界一直在为高价汽车买单,因为他们别无选择

@davidrichards1741
Yes, the SAME is true here in Singapore and Malaysia.

是的,新加坡和马来西亚的情况也是一样的。
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@mrmawson2438
AITO M9: Best Back Seat EVER

问界M9:史上最好的后座

@awabooks9886
Feel very sorry for Japan,
Prime example of what happens when big business dictates national policy

为日本感到非常遗憾,
这是大企业左右国家政策的典型例子

@PD55_
Many countries recognize that foreign oil dependence and the resulting trade deficits is undesirable for economic autonomy over the long haul. Thailand is a net oil importer, mostly from the UAE and Saudi Arabia. It makes total sense for these countries to move away from fossil fuel imports ASAP. One would think that Japan, a huge importer of foreign oil, would lead the way with high tech EV adoption. But this resistance to progress underlines the massive global economic and political power that the oil cartel and multinational legacy automakers exert to maintain their current profits and "business as usual" existence.

许多国家认识到,长期依赖外国石油以及由此产生的贸易逆差不利于经济独立。泰国是石油净进口国,主要进口自阿联酋和沙特阿拉伯。这些国家尽快摆脱化石燃料进口是完全合理的。人们会认为,日本作为石油进口大国,将在高科技电动汽车的普及方面处于领先地位。但这种对进步的抵制,凸显了石油卡特尔和跨国传统汽车制造商为维持其现有利润和“照常营业”,而发挥的巨大全球经济和政治力量。
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@aureliancozma251
The Japanese are too conservative, I would say stubborn, 4 Japanese companies or an ally should make the engine on cylinders even more efficient, but this is a big waste of resources - the future is electric and if you haven't received the train, you're dead and the Japanese, what can I say, are making their own harakiri )))) - I don't understand why it's so complicated to make an electric car - battery £5,000 - engine £1,000, 4 wheels, a steering wheel, 5 seats, body, glass and a tablet and that costs £80,000 - you're only dreaming money and this will be the end of them - China knows the direction and no one can stop them))))

日本人太保守了,我想说他们很固执,4 家日本公司或一个盟友应该让气缸上的发动机更加高效,但这是一种巨大的资源浪费——未来是电动的,如果你没有赶上火车,你就死定了,而日本人,我能说什么呢,正在自己切腹自尽。我不明白为什么制造一辆电动汽车如此复杂——电池 5000 英镑——发动机 1000 英镑,4 个轮子,一个方向盘,5 个座位,车身,玻璃和一台平板电脑,总共值 80000 英镑——这只不过是你在做梦,这将是他们的末日——中国知道方向,没有人可以阻止他们。

@medschoolvisual6954
Here in Aruba, I see every day Neta, Haval, BYD, and a bunch if other Chinese EVs, they are slowly but surely taking over. I own a Honda civic and a CRV, I love both of these cars, but my next car will be an EV, not even a hybrid.

在阿鲁巴,我每天都能看到 Neta、哈弗、比亚迪和许多其他中国电动汽车,它们正在缓慢但稳步地占据市场。我有一辆本田思域和一辆 CRV,我喜欢这两款车,但我的下一辆车将是电动汽车,甚至不是混合动力车。

@willeisinga2089
It is not only BYD Everywhere. Wuling Bingo in Indonesia. They just like it. 10.000 Dollar Wuling Bingo in Indonesia. In Salvador Bahia Brasil BYD Factories. Work for 10.000 Baianos. Clean Air Blue Sky Health Better Life.

不仅仅是比亚迪无处不在。印尼五菱宾果。他们就是喜欢它。五菱宾果在印尼卖 10000 美元。在巴西巴伊亚州萨尔瓦多的比亚迪工厂为 10000 名巴伊亚人提供就业。空气清洁,蓝天健康,更美好的生活。

@dominicwild3189
New Nissan Leaf in Australia: $40,000, Panasonic 39kWh battery, no thermal control, 270km range.
BYD Dolphin and MG4 51kWh, both cost also $40,000! MG4 51kWh CATL battery has 370km range or 100km more for the same price, so who is going to buy a Leaf as they will no longer be made anyway??

澳大利亚新款日产聆风:40000 美元,松下 39kWh 电池,无热控制,续航里程 270 公里。
BYD 海豚和 MG4 51kWh,两者的价格也都是 40000 美元!MG4 51kWh CATL 电池的续航里程为 370 公里,价格相同,续航里程多 100 公里,所以谁会购买 Leaf,因为它们无论如何都不会再生产了?

@captainchokdee1039
As an Aussie who lives in Thailand for the past 10+ years, you can take it to the bank that Thai’s LOVE EV’s. As with everything novel Thai’s jump at the opportunity to be the first & consider it a status symbol which is very important to them…

作为一名在泰国生活了 10 多年的澳大利亚人,你可以确信泰国人喜欢电动车。就像对待一切新奇事物一样,泰国人抓住机会成为第一个电动车制造商,并将其视为对他们来说非常重要的身份象征……
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@kennyego9264
I think it is a good thing that Chinese EVs are flooding the global car market. For years, we have had to put up with stupid, money-hungry, and now low-quality European vehicles. Although Japan produces high-quality cars, they are also overpriced. Now that Chinese EV cars are entering the market with gradually improving quality, better design, and lower purchase prices, I believe this is a good thing and a game changer. I see some European and Japanese car manufacturers going bankrupt if they do not exercise caution and begin to consider competing with Chinese car manufacturers, as Tesla is currently doing. So European car manufacturers, such as Mercedes-Benz, which currently produce very low-quality engine cars, must get their act together. I believe BMW and the Volkswagen Group will be the most likely European car manufacturers to be around for a long time. I don't see Mercedes-Benz surviving for too long due to their poor quality, cost-cutting of their engines, and now too many plastic interiors. My advice to Mercedes-Benz is that it is one thing to design a beautiful car, but what lies beneath the hood is very disappointing to many of your customers around the world. Electric vehicles are the next big thing, and the Chinese car manufacturers are doing an excellent job of developing them.

我认为中国电动汽车涌入全球汽车市场是一件好事。多年来,我们不得不忍受愚蠢、贪财且质量低劣的欧洲汽车。虽然日本生产的汽车质量很好,但价格也过高。现在,中国电动汽车正以逐步提高的质量、更好的设计和更低的购买价格进入市场,我认为这是一件好事,也是一个改变游戏规则的因素。我看到一些欧洲和日本汽车制造商如果不谨慎行事并开始考虑与中国汽车制造商竞争,就会破产,就像特斯拉现在所做的那样。因此,目前生产发动机质量很差的欧洲汽车制造商(如梅赛德斯-奔驰)必须团结起来。我相信宝马和大众集团将是最有可能长期存在的欧洲汽车制造商。我认为梅赛德斯-奔驰不会存活太久,因为它们的质量很差,发动机成本缩减,而且现在塑料内饰太多了。我对梅赛德斯-奔驰的建议是,设计一辆漂亮的汽车是一回事,但引擎盖下面的东西却让世界各地的许多客户非常失望。电动汽车是下一个大趋势,中国汽车制造商在开发电动汽车方面做得非常出色。
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@308_Negra_Arroyo_Lane
Toyota: "Don't worry, we have hydrogen."

丰田:“别担心,我们有氢气。”

@justme6275
BYD = VALUE = consumers want

比亚迪=价值=消费者想要

@raymonddon8875
bravo china on all your success in EV cars.

为中国在电动汽车领域取得的所有成功喝彩。

@Ahoooooooo
I think the biggest lie is hybrids.
Owners have to service, maintain, and repair 2 systems to keep that car on the road .

我认为最大的谎言是混合动力车。
车主必须对两个系统进行保养、维护和维修,才能保证汽车可以继续上路。

@eish3291
Sam , Mazda does not sell well in africa as well because they are too expensive relative to Haval or Chery.

萨姆,马自达在非洲的销量也不佳,因为与哈弗或奇瑞相比,它们的价格太贵了。

@JoelBergmark
This is simply a fact of reality vs Japanese Big Auto that mixed reality vs fantasy...

这仅仅是现实VS日本汽车巨头(混合了现实与幻想)之间的事实......

@doomolit
Samething happening here in Indonesia (Hello there Thai Neighbour), in terms of EV, Toyota's most affordable EV option BZ4X costs 80,000 USD compared to the cheapest Chinese option BYD M6 is only 23,000 USD. Toyota is currently not competitive at all in the EV market, dark days are coming for Toyota.

同样的事情也发生在印度尼西亚(你好,泰国邻居),就电动汽车而言,丰田最便宜的电动汽车 BZ4X 售价为 80000 美元,而中国最便宜的比亚迪 M6 售价仅为 23000 美元。丰田目前在电动汽车市场上毫无竞争力,丰田的黑暗日子即将到来。

@luciferdevil4725
China is next level it gaint cant be stopped

中国是下一个级别的巨人,无人能阻挡

@rodneyblackwell7477
I live in a condo in Thailand about 250 km east of Bangkok. Two of our visitor parking spots have been converted to EV charging so we have lost visitor parking so now visitors park in the street when spots are full. I have never seen one car use the EV charging. There are EVs parked here but they dont charge here. I susoect they charge at their work.
I can walk to a new byd showroom.

我住在泰国曼谷以东约 250 公里的一所公寓里。我们的两个访客停车位已改建为电动汽车充电停车位,因此我们失去了访客停车位,现在当停车位满了时,访客只能在街上停车。我从未见过有车使用电动汽车充电。这里停着电动汽车,但他们不在这里充电。我猜他们在工作的地方充电。
我可以步行到新的比亚迪展厅。

@chillfluencer
Not China's problem.

这不是中国的问题。

@ottmanchader5430
A lying company like toyota deserves more than that. Their agency here in jordan are selling the Chinese version of toyota bz4x under the table. It's not a respectful company with a non respectful agencies.

像丰田这样撒谎的公司应该受到更多的惩罚。他们在约旦的代理机构正在私下销售中国版丰田 bz4x。这家公司不值得尊重,其代理机构也不值得尊重。

@stevennelson7518
Similar solar installation "mirror solar concentration" right here in Tucson was abandoned and dismantled. I believe a huge similar installation was also abandoned in the SW US Mohave desert..

图森(美国亚利桑那州南部城市)的类似太阳能装置“镜面太阳能聚光”已被废弃和拆除。我相信美国西南部莫哈维沙漠也废弃了一个巨大的类似装置。

@colddiesel
Toyoda the grandson of Toyotas founder was CEO for more than 10 years. He has now been appointed as President of the company. The new CEO is one of his people as are almost the entire senior management of the company. Toyoda has made one outrageous and unfulfilled promise after another for more than a decade.Toyota has made negligible new developments, it has all been advertizing, marketing bulldust, and no substance for the past 10 years at least. Toyoda himself is China's greatest asset in Japan; his answer is always the same: another absurd press release to Toyota compliant motor journalists. Nothing of any substance ever. It would not surprise me if one of the Chinese companies offered a very low price for one of the smaller J companies. It would be rejected of course, but would show the world what the future of the Japanese motor industry is really worth

丰田创始人的孙子丰田章男担任首席执行官已有 10 多年。他现在被任命为公司总裁。新任首席执行官是他手下的人,公司几乎所有高级管理层都是他的手下。十多年来,丰田章男不断做出一个又一个荒唐且未兑现的承诺。丰田汽车公司在过去 10 年里几乎没有取得任何新进展,都是广告和营销的胡说八道,没有任何实质内容。丰田章男本人是中国在日本最大的资产;他的应对总是相同的:向丰田汽车公司的忠实记者发布另一份荒谬的新闻稿。没有任何实质性内容。如果一家中国公司以非常低的价格收购一家较小的日本公司,我一点也不惊讶。当然,这会被拒绝,但会向世界展示日本汽车行业的未来真正价值
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@etienne6641
Even Suzuki transferred a big part of its manufacturing to India with a EV also in the works.

甚至铃木也将其大部分制造业务转移到印度,并正在研发电动汽车。

@user-os4fd4yl8z
Shit, now Japan knows how the US felt about their car and electronic dominated our US industries in the late 70s and 80s.

妈的,现在日本知道美国对他们的汽车和电子产品在 70 年代末和 80 年代主导了我们的美国工业的感受了。

@MarkMaxwell-author
Japanese asleep at the wheel for the past decade.

日本人在过去十年里一直处于昏睡状态。

@zyanide
I live in Thailand and in the market for a new car right now. We trust the Japanese cars to be very reliable and could last decades.
However, we chose Chinese car instead because it provides all the features we want. It is not cheap, but it could cost 1.5-2 times more if we choose Japanese one.
Also, it looks better too. All Japanese cars look like they have been designed in the 90s and never really wanna change.
The Chinese really go all in with everything at cheaper prices.
I don’t mind if the car is hybrid or purely electric. But the Japanese must really up their game in terms of price, looks and features in order to compete.

我住在泰国,现在想买辆新车。我们相信日本车非常可靠,可以使用几十年。
然而,我们选择了中国车,因为它提供了我们想要的所有功能。它并不便宜,但如果我们选择日本车,价格可能会高出 1.5-2 倍。
而且看起来也更好。所有日本车看起来都像是 90 年代设计的,而且从未真正改变过。
中国人真的全力以赴,以更便宜的价格做所有事情。
我并不介意汽车是混合动力还是纯电动汽车。但日本汽车必须在价格、外观和功能方面真正提高水平,才能参与竞争。

@bobwallace9753
The last time I was in Thailand (2019?) I saw a lot of Korean cars, especially taxis. My guess is that Japan was already losing market share prior to EVs.

我上次去泰国(2019 年?)时看到了很多韩国汽车,尤其是出租车。我猜日本在电动汽车出现之前就已经失去了市场份额。

@robanzzz5124
i dont blame the ceo for not wanting to own another petrol car. I'm also over it, topping up the oil, 100 dollars a week on petrol, 3-4 services per year due to how many km i do yearly

我不怪首席执行官不想再买一辆汽油车。我也受够了,加油,每周 100 美元的汽油费,由于我每年行驶的公里数,每年 3-4 次服务。

@yofiesetiawan
I use japan gasoline daihatsu car since 2012, still have it until today. But i just bought Chinese ev car for about USD12,000. Why? Because the oil price is getting crazy, ev car can run in the same range as gasoline car for about 10-20% less cost.

我从 2012 年开始使用日本汽油大发汽车,至今仍在使用。但我刚刚购买了中国电动汽车,价格约为 12000 美元。为什么?因为油价越来越疯狂,电动汽车可以与汽油车运行相同的里程,但成本却低约 10-20%。

@marinoint
There are more than 100 car brands in China, making it the most competitive market, which force companies to make better cars and offer lower prices. Consequently the consumers benefit the most. It's not rocket science.

中国有 100 多个汽车品牌,是竞争最激烈的市场,这迫使各家公司生产更好的汽车,并提供更低的价格。因此,消费者受益最多。这并不复杂。

@futo
13:07 setting up plant in Turkey?? ... I thought they're building their plant right now in Hungary

13:07处,在土耳其建厂??我以为他们现在正在匈牙利建厂

@SpaceBound-1
Our market share good, their market share bad.

我们的市场份额好,他们的市场份额差。

@hardi.howdy.983
Japan Shocked
Really?
What about Tesla investors?
Tesla on Tuesday reported its lowest profit margin in more than five years and missed Wall Street earnings targets in the second quarter, as the electric vehicle maker cut prices to revive demand.

日本震惊,
真的吗?
特斯拉投资者呢?
特斯拉周二公布其利润率创五年多以来新低,第二季度未达到华尔街盈利目标,因为这家电动汽车制造商降价以恢复需求。

@athompson8976
Also you missed one major point; Chevy, Ssangyoung and one other manufacturer shut down their operations in thailand and sold the plants to GWM/Haval, SAIC/MG.

您还忽略了一个要点;雪佛兰、双龙和另一家制造商关闭了其在泰国的业务,并将工厂出售给了长城汽车/哈弗、上汽集团/名爵。

@malalachernobyl5594
Hey man, Price is the key

嘿,伙计,价格是关键

@jeffbangkok
Thai banks cut way back on used car loans. My old Mazda truck and CRV are mostly boat anchors till Geely gets the electric truck here.

泰国银行大幅削减二手车贷款。我的旧马自达卡车和 CRV 主要当船锚用,直到吉利在这里推出电动卡车。

@skywire5595
South East Asia weather bake like oven , time to switch to EV's

东南亚天气酷热,是时候换用电动汽车了

@havencat9337
' if you could read the Japanese comments on anything videos in Japanese about EV, it’s overwhelmingly negative. ' - this is why, becasue they dont care about EVs

“如果你能读一下日本人对任何关于电动汽车的日语视频的评论,你会发现它们都是负面的。”——这就是为什么,因为他们不关心电动汽车

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