中国卫星正在拍摄美国最近在中东部署的防空系统并将这些图像公开，免费给伊朗提供了打击目标的数据
正文翻译
Chinese satellites are taking images of recently deployed US air defense systems in the Middle East and making them public. This provides Iran with free targeting data
中国卫星正在拍摄美国最近在中东部署的防空系统，并将这些图像公开，免费给伊朗提供了打击目标的数据。
Chinese satellites are taking images of recently deployed US air defense systems in the Middle East and making them public. This provides Iran with free targeting data
中国卫星正在拍摄美国最近在中东部署的防空系统，并将这些图像公开，免费给伊朗提供了打击目标的数据。
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@ex0e
The difference between free and $30 for a state actor is still free. You can go buy yesterday's satellite pictures for $10/km right now from any number of companies.
对国家级行为体来说，免费和30美元其实没差，都是白送。你现在就能从好几家公司买到昨天的卫星图像，10美元一平方公里。
@koro1452
You can't if it's something "delicate", one guy on twitter tried to buy higher resolution for examination of Oreshnik strike and he had tons of issues.
如果是那种“敏感”的东西，你是买不到的。推特上有个人想买更高分辨率的图来研究“奥列什尼克”打击行动，结果遇到了一堆麻烦。
@jellobowlshifter
Ah, a bidding war.
啊，一场竞价大战。
@hit_it_early
The idea that China will publish sat data that iran can use and therefore is dangerous kinda ignores (or is ignorant) of the fact taht China could be slipping iran more up-to-date (even live) higher resolution data without telling anyone.
认为中国公开卫星数据、伊朗就能用、因此很危险的说法，其实忽略了（或者说根本不了解）一个事实：中国完全可以在不告诉任何人的情况下，私下给伊朗更及时、分辨率更高，甚至接近实时的数据。
@qunow
Like how last month they published photo of homes of Taiwanese politicians
就像他们上个月还公开了台湾（地区）政客住宅的照片一样
@superknight333
Yes but wont US know someone is buying them? if it public already well
是啊，但美国难道不知道有人在买这些吗？如果都已经公开了，那就……
@JoJoeyJoJo
Everyones a fan of OSINT until it’s their shit on the timeline.
大家都爱玩开源情报，直到时间线上被曝光的是自家那点破事。 (注：OSINT：Open-Source Intelligence 开源情报/公开信息，下同)
@transplantpdxxx
OSINT people deserve worse. Hall monitor cosplay nonsense that gets innocents hurt
OSINT那帮人活该更惨。爱当“纪律委员”的cosplay式胡闹，害了无辜的人。
@Kraligor
How dare people use publicly available information to find out things our overlords don't want us to know!
居然有人敢用公开信息去挖那些“老爷们”不想让我们知道的事，真是胆大包天！
@transplantpdxxx
That’s 0% what I’m talking about. Another OSINT W
这完全不是我在说的。又一个 OSINT 的胜利。
@Kraligor
what are you talking about then lol
那你到底在说啥呢，lol
@transplantpdxxx
People without any qualifications have used their fake research to get people killed. You can play with the info but when you make uneducated posts, it has a body count. This isn’t hypothetical.
一些毫无资质的人用他们的伪研究害死了人。你可以随便玩弄信息，但当你发出不专业、没常识的帖子时，是真的会害出人命的。这不是假设。
@can-sar
You're talking to the cosplayers. That's why they don't get it.
你这是在跟一群角色扮演的家伙说话，难怪他们听不懂。
@ParkingBadger2130
Lol I just made a comment about that not a minute ago.
lol，我刚才不到一分钟前才评论过这个。
@OP
I know I was in that thread, decided to make a post when I saw this current example.
我知道，我当时就在那个帖子里，看到这个最新的例子后就决定发个帖。
@Spout__
Lol, lMao even
lol，笑死我了
@therustler42
It only makes sense doesnt it? If US is going to arm Taiwan to the teeth and covertly support the breakup of China (East Turkmenistan, Tibet), the very least China could do is throw Iran a few scraps.
这不是很合理吗？既然美国要把台湾（地区）武装到牙齿，还暗中支持分裂中国（东TU、*Z），那中国至少也该给伊朗扔点边角料。
@ExpensiveBookkeeper3
I don’t think we are arming Taiwan to the teeth? We don’t even let them have F35s which are 2 decades old and China already hacked the details…
我不觉得我们是在把台湾（地区）武装到牙齿。我们甚至都没让他们拿到F-35，这飞机都服役二十年了，而且中国早就把相关资料黑到手了……
@MELONPANNNNN
The US is barely even helping its allies. All those "military aid" still has to be paid, they arent free and theyre certainly not cheap.
美国几乎都没怎么帮它的盟友。那些所谓的“军事援助”还是要花钱买的，并不是免费的，而且一点也不便宜。
@ParkingBadger2130
If US is going to arm Taiwan to the teeth
We really arnt.... You could argue that the US is barley even arming itself to fight China... if what you asserting were true, they would have Burkes, F-35's, Bradley's, way more Patriots and THAAD etc. But no, they get bread crumbs... Just beacsue it costs a lot doesnt mean its good or performative. Idk maybe what you think "Arming to the TEETH" is different but it certainly is pretty mild imo. They drastically need cruise missiles, TEL, and Air Defense at LEAST. No hand me down Abrams and M113's.
Anduril sold like what? ~300ish Lancet drones for $300mil(?) That puts the price tag for 1mil a pop for a KAMIKAZE DRONE. We are just high way robbing them but it looks all fancy so its fine hehe.
如果美国真要把台湾（地区）武装到牙齿的话……
其实根本没有。你甚至可以说，美国连为和中国作战把自己武装好都谈不上。要是真像你说的那样，台湾（地区）现在应该已经有伯克级驱逐舰、F‑35、布雷德利步战车，还有更多的“爱国者”和“萨德”系统了。
但现实是没有，他们拿到的基本都是些“面包屑”。贵不代表就好，也不代表战斗力强。
我不知道你心里“武装到牙齿”是个什么标准，但在我看来现在这点装备相当温和。
他们至少迫切需要巡航导弹、机动发射车（TEL）和防空系统，而不是二手的艾布拉姆斯坦克和 M113。
还有 Anduril（注：美国国防科技公司），卖了大概三百架左右的“柳叶刀”式无人机，就要 3 亿美元？
算下来一架自杀式无人机要 100 万美元。我们这简直就是公路抢劫，只不过包装得很高大上，所以大家就觉得“还行”了，呵呵。
@S_T_P
. if what you asserting were true, they would have Burkes, F-35's, Bradley's, way more Patriots and THAAD etc.
You are assuming there is enough to share.
如果你说的是真的，他们早就会部署伯克级、F-35、布雷德利战车，还有更多的“爱国者”和“萨德”等等了。
你这是在假设他们手里有足够的东西可以分出来。
@jellobowlshifter
Being unable to do so doesn't change that it isn't happening.
做不到也改变不了这件事根本没发生的事实。
@S_T_P
The point was that US is openly supporting one side in conflict it isn't directly involved in.
重点是，美国在一个自己并未直接卷入的冲突中，公开站队支持一方。
@DisastrousAnswer9920
Taiwan is the most democratic country in Asia, by far, I'm ok if we support that.
Iran on the other hand.
台湾（地区）无疑是亚洲最民主的国家，（民主程度）远远领先，我们支持它就对了。
至于伊朗，那就另当别论了。
@nikkythegreat
This guy is just spitting out propaganda. It is never about being a democracy or the system of government it is about interests
这家伙就是在满嘴灌输宣传。事情从来不在于什么民主或政府体制，而是在于利益。
@pendelhaven
It's got nothing to do with that, it's all about the 2 big dudes fucking with each other.
这跟那没啥关系，说白了就是两个大佬在互相对着干。
@haggerton
Taiwan is [...] country
Even Western propaganda isn't this flippant with the truth.
台湾（地区）是一个[……]的G家
就连西方的宣传也没这么随意地歪曲事实。
@2in1day
I was going to argue that assertion but I can't think of a country in Asia that really is more democratic.
我本来想反驳这个说法，但想来想去，确实想不出亚洲还有哪个国家真的更民主。
@jerpear
DPRK. Has the equal most democratic in its name in Asia. More than non Democratic Republic of Korea.
朝鲜，名字里号称“民主”程度在亚洲并列最高，比那个“非民主”的韩国还要民主。
@S_T_P
I can't think of a country in Asia that really is more democratic.
38 years of uninterrupted martial law (a record that wasn't surpassed until 2000 by Brunei), with White Terror lasting until 1992. Nothing speaks democracy quite like two generations of psychotic anti-communist pogroms.
Note that democracy remains a priority even today. For example, recent Constitutional Court Procedure Act was a low-key attempt to abolish Constitutional Court.
我实在想不出亚洲还有哪个国家能比它更“民主”。
连续38年的戒严（这个纪录直到2000年才被文莱打破），白色恐怖一直持续到1992年。没有什么比持续两代人的反共清洗更能体现“民主”了。
而且要注意，直到今天，“民主”依然是优先事项。比如，最近的《宪法法院诉讼法》就是一次低调地试图废掉宪法法院的操作。
@DisastrousAnswer9920
That stuff ended in the 80's and they had a truly democratic election in 1996.
You still haven't mentioned who is more democratic, there are also NGO's doing researh on this.
https://freedomhouse.org/country/taiwan/freedom-world/2025
那种事在80年代就结束了，1996年他们还举行了真正的民主选举。
你还是没说清楚谁更民主，而且也有一些非政府组织在做这方面的研究。
https://freedomhouse.org/country/taiwan/freedom-world/2025
@S_T_P
Freedom House is a nonprofit organization based in Washington, D.C. ... Most of the organization's funding comes from the U.S. State Department[4] and other government grants.
自由之家是一家总部位于华盛顿特区的非营利组织……该组织的大部分资金来自美国国务院以及其他政府资助。
@DisastrousAnswer9920
You'll be hard pressed to find a source that can say that Taiwan is NOT a democracy.
https://www.ocac.gov.tw/OCAC/Eng/Pages/Detail.aspx?nodeid=329&pid=73118137
你找不到任何资料可以说台湾（地区）不是一个民主G家。
https://www.ocac.gov.tw/OCAC/Eng/Pages/Detail.aspx?nodeid=329&pid=73118137
@jellobowlshifter
Straw man. Nobody claimed they weren't at all, just that they weren't #1 by a mile like you claimed.
稻草人论证。没人说他们完全不是，只是说没你说的那样遥遥领先、稳居第一。
@DisastrousAnswer9920
They're #1 in Asia for sure, 1000%.
他们在亚洲绝对是第一没跑了，1000%肯定。
@jellobowlshifter
Based on things unrelated to democracy.
基于一些和民主无关的因素。
@nikkythegreat
Im from the Philippines and I find this insulting. Name one thing that makes them more democratic than us.
我来自菲律宾，我觉得这话很冒犯。说说看，他们哪一点比我们更民主？
@2in1day
But you haven't listed a country in Asia that's better...Israel?
但你还没列出一个在亚洲更厉害的国家啊……以色列？
@S_T_P
This isn't necessary when the intent is to point out that "Taiwan is the most democratic country in Asia, by far" isn't exactly indisputable claim.
Especially when I don't believe that there is some unanimously accepted "democracy" scale (or that Taiwan is being supported because it is at the top of it).
没这个必要，目的只是指出“台湾（地区）是亚洲最民主的G家，遥遥领先”并不是一个无可争议的说法。
尤其是我并不认为存在一个被普遍认可的“民主”评分标准（也不认为台湾（地区）是因为在这个榜单上名列前茅才得到支持）。
@2in1day
Ok who cares
好吧，谁在乎呢
@DisastrousAnswer9920
arguing with shills never pays off, so irritating lol.
跟水军吵架从来没好处，真是烦死了，lol。
@DisastrousAnswer9920
There isn't, South Korea and Japan are the only ones that would contest Taiwan, this sub is filled with shills for China. Human rights, LGBQT rights, the list is long for Taiwan's democracy.
并没有。会在台湾（地区）问题上较真的只有韩国和日本，这个版块里全是给中国洗地的水军。人权、LGBTQ 权利……台湾（地区）民主的优点一大堆。
@jellobowlshifter
This is a discussion of democraticness, not rights. Quit conflating them.
这是在讨论民主属性，不是权利。别把两者混为一谈。
@DisastrousAnswer9920
The 2 go hand in hand together, they are conflated.
这两者是相互关联的，经常被视为一体。
@jellobowlshifter
That is an obxtive falsehood.
那是明显的扯淡。
@jellobowlshifter
India? Israel? Asia is a pretty big place.
印度？以色列？亚洲可大了。
@jellobowlshifter
I wasn't saying either of those are for sure more democratic, just that the obviously undemocratic Thailand isn't the only comparison.
我不是说那两个国家肯定更民主，只是想说，明显不民主的泰国并不是唯一能拿来对比的对象。
@DisastrousAnswer9920
Are you confusing Thailand and taiwan?
2 separate countries. Thailand is a monarchy, Taiwan a thriving democracy.
你是不是把泰国和台湾（地区）搞混了？
这是两个不同的G家。泰国是君主制G家，台湾（地区）是一个发展良好的民主社会。
@jellobowlshifter
Are you drunk? Why would me contrasting Taiwan and Thailand as governmental opposites suggest that I can't tell the difference between them?
你喝醉了吗？我把台湾（地区）和泰国在政府体制上作对比，怎么就说明我分不清它们了？
@DisastrousAnswer9920
Nobody mentioned Thailand in this thread.
这个帖子里没人提到泰国。
@jellobowlshifter
It's a discussion of the relative democraticness of countries in Asia. Is Thailand not a country in Asia?
这是在讨论亚洲各国民主程度的高低。泰国难道不是亚洲国家吗？
@yeeeter1
One of the ways the us knew where Iran was attacking after the solemani strike was because they were buying satellite time
美国之所以能在苏莱曼尼被击杀后知道伊朗的打击位置，其中一个原因就是他们购买了卫星侦察使用时间。
@OP
Yeah, they were calling their shots, as a gesture.
是啊，他们这是在提前放话，算是一种姿态。
@yeeeter1
The copes that IRGC fans will invent never cease to amaze me
IRGC （注：伊斯兰革命卫队）粉丝们能编出的各种花式自我安慰，真是一次次把我看傻了。
@yeeeter1
I can't tell which part of the conversation this is related too
我看不出来这是在指哪一段。
@can-sar
One of the ways the us knew where Iran was attacking after the solemani strike was because they were buying satellite time
Mind sharing sources?
——“美国之所以能知道苏莱曼尼事件后伊朗从哪里发动攻击，其中一个原因是他们购买了卫星侦察使用时间。”
能分享一下消息来源吗？
@yeeeter1
“The report said that Iran purchased satellite images of the base on the day of the attack, and U.S. Central Command was aware of it. According to CBS News national security correspondent David Martin, USCENTCOM Commander Gen. Frank McKenzie timed the evacuation of al-Asad Air Base around Iran’s purchase of satellite imagery of the base.”
https://www.navytimes.com/intel-geoint/2021/03/01/report-iran-used-commercial-satellite-images-to-monitor-us-forces-before-attack/
报道称，伊朗在发动袭击当天购买了该基地的卫星图像，而美国中央司令部对此是知情的。
CBS新闻国家安全记者戴维·马丁表示，美中央司令部司令弗兰克·麦肯齐上将正是根据伊朗购买该基地卫星影像的时间，来安排对阿萨德空军基地的人员撤离。
@Childoftheway
Time to setup some decoys.
是时候布置些假目标了。
@Every_West_3890
Decoys made in the USA is still more expensive than the cheap shaped drone.
美国造的诱饵还是比那些廉价的拟态无人机更贵。
@D3ATHTRaps
But cheaper than losing a fighter jet. Nevermind the time to build one
但总比损失一架战斗机便宜。更别说造一架要多久了。
@Every_West_3890
True true
没错没错
@Low_Sir1549
The LEO satellites that take these pictures only get coverage once every few hours. The air defenses can just be shuffled after each pass.
这些拍照的近地轨道卫星每隔几个小时才能覆盖一次。防空系统完全可以在每次过境后换位置。
@OP
How do you know the Chinese don't have extras?
你怎么知道中国就没有备用的呢？
@Low_Sir1549
Extra what? Satellites? It wouldn’t change anything. Orbits are still orbits. A pass for a LEO satellite lasts about 5 mins max, and the useful part of that pass is around 2 mins. Afterwards, it can take several days before that same satellite is visible again. Even with a constellation as numerous as Starlix, it’s several hours between passes of different satellites in the same constellation.
额外的什么？卫星吗？这根本改变不了什么。轨道还是那些轨道。近地轨道卫星一次过境最多也就5分钟，真正有用的时间大概只有2分钟。
之后，同一颗卫星要过好几天才能再被看到。就算像星链那样数量庞大的星座，同一星座里不同卫星之间的过境间隔也要好几个小时。
@OP
They have satellites at all altitudes and orbits
他们在各个高度、各种轨道上都有卫星
@Low_Sir1549
Again, that’s not how orbits work. You could have thousands of spy sats (they don’t, the number of obxts in LEO is up on the Space Surveillance Network website and you can make API queries) and it would still be hours between individual passes. Secondly, higher orbits give you worse resolution, and aren’t suitable for spy sats. Every spy sat is in LEO, even the modern KH-13s.
又来一次，这根本不是轨道的运作方式。就算你有成千上万颗侦察卫星（实际上并没有，近地轨道的目标数量在太空监视网络网站上都能查到，还能用 API 查询），单颗卫星两次过境之间也还是要隔好几个小时。
其次，轨道越高分辨率越差，根本不适合做侦察卫星。所有侦察卫星都在近地轨道运行，包括现在的 KH‑13。
@OP
Yeah so they just have 15 minute coverage instead of live feed, who cares
也就是说他们只是每15分钟覆盖一次，不是实时画面，谁在乎啊
@Low_Sir1549
Why do you keep making things up? You get 2 minutes of coverage every few hours. It would be trivial to relocate the battery after each pass.
The point is, you’re overstating the value of the intelligence being posted.
你为什么老是编故事？你每隔几个小时也就只有两分钟的成像覆盖时间。完全可以在每次卫星过境后把防空系统转移走。
重点是，你把这些情报的价值夸大了。
@OP
Stop making things up then if you don't like other people making things up.
那你要是不喜欢别人胡编乱造，就先别自己胡编了。
@Low_Sir1549
I’m not. Unlike you, I’ve actually plotted the orbits of satellites before as I’ve worked on satellite surveillance. I also have a degree in physics and understand basic orbital mechanics. You’re welcome to take the TLE of known spy sats and figure out their pass durations. The U.S. Space Surveillance Network publishes the data openly, and you can grab the data from a site like N2YO. You can start with a spy sat like USA-338. If you actually know what you’re talking about, pass determination and orbit propagation from a TLE shouldn’t be difficult for you. Hell, there are websites that will determine the pass duration for you.
我不是。跟你不一样，我以前做过卫星监视工作，真画过卫星轨道。我还有物理学学位，懂基本的轨道力学。
你完全可以拿已知间谍卫星的 TLE 数据，自己算一算过境时长。美国的空间监视网络是公开发布这些数据的，你也可以去 N2YO 之类的网站获取。
可以先从 USA-338 这样的侦察卫星开始。如果你真懂自己在说什么，用 TLE 做过境判定和轨道推算对你来说不该有难度。
再说了，网上一堆网站都能直接算过境时间。
@OP
You counted every Chinese satellite?
你把所有中国的卫星都数了一遍吗？
@NatalieSoleil
To make it 100 % clear.... the Chinese regime is supporting the current regime - against the free will of the majority of the people of in Iran. So, the situation in the world will 2026 turn into a giant mess even further. We are walking into ' Guernica test ground momentum' like it is in Ukraine
说得再明白点……中国政权是在支持伊朗现政权，而不是伊朗大多数民众的真实意愿。
所以到 2026 年，世界局势只会变得更加一团糟。我们正一步步走向“格尔尼卡式的试验场”，就像现在的乌克兰一样。
@Equivalent-Claim-966
These photos are from some chinse company and are not gifts to the iranian regime, there is no evidence to suggest China is giving targeting data to Iran. They havent done so last time as far as i know, and theres nothing to suggest they will this time either.
这些照片来自一家中国公司，并不是送给伊朗政权的“礼物”。
没有任何证据表明中国在向伊朗提供打击目标数据。就我所知，上次也没有这么做，这次同样没有任何迹象显示他们会这么做。
@NatalieSoleil
not responding directly on shown pictures
没有直接针对展示出来的图片作出回应
@Vinylmaster3000
That's like telling the heroin addict to not go for the stash of heroin, like if Iran gets pictures of recently-deployed air defense systems then they'll use that data.
The entire point of a war is to use everything in your favor.
这就好比劝海洛因瘾君子别去找毒品一样。伊朗要是拿到了最近部署的防空系统的照片，肯定会拿来用。
战争的全部意义就在于把一切能用的东西都变成自己的优势。
@Perfect_Towel1880
the us supports the Qatar and Saudi Arabia and Egypt regime
美国支持卡塔尔、沙特和埃及的政权。
@haggerton
The free will of the majority of the people in the world is for Trump to croak. Guess that means we should support whomever wants to bomb the fuck out of the USA, amirite?
If anyone within Iran has a "free will" that calls for Iran to be bombed by the US, they are fucking morons and proof Iran does not have a smart enough voterbase for democracy.
全世界大多数人的“自由意志”就是希望特朗普赶紧死。那是不是意味着我们就该支持任何想把美国狠狠干一顿的人？对吧？
如果伊朗国内真有人“自由意志”是希望美国来轰炸伊朗，那他们就是彻头彻尾的傻逼，也只能证明伊朗的选民素质还没高到能实施民主。
@nikkythegreat
What in the CIA and Mossad paid shit are you yapping about? If the USA did not support regime change in like a dozen countries we would be living in a world that is a lot safer.
你在胡扯什么被 CIA 和摩萨德收买的狗屁？要不是美国在十几个国家支持搞政权更迭，这个世界现在会安全得多。
@ConstantStatistician
Satellites are the first things that need to go in a war.
战争一开打，卫星就是最先被干掉的。
The difference between free and $30 for a state actor is still free. You can go buy yesterday's satellite pictures for $10/km right now from any number of companies.
对国家级行为体来说，免费和30美元其实没差，都是白送。你现在就能从好几家公司买到昨天的卫星图像，10美元一平方公里。
@koro1452
You can't if it's something "delicate", one guy on twitter tried to buy higher resolution for examination of Oreshnik strike and he had tons of issues.
如果是那种“敏感”的东西，你是买不到的。推特上有个人想买更高分辨率的图来研究“奥列什尼克”打击行动，结果遇到了一堆麻烦。
@jellobowlshifter
Ah, a bidding war.
啊，一场竞价大战。
@hit_it_early
The idea that China will publish sat data that iran can use and therefore is dangerous kinda ignores (or is ignorant) of the fact taht China could be slipping iran more up-to-date (even live) higher resolution data without telling anyone.
认为中国公开卫星数据、伊朗就能用、因此很危险的说法，其实忽略了（或者说根本不了解）一个事实：中国完全可以在不告诉任何人的情况下，私下给伊朗更及时、分辨率更高，甚至接近实时的数据。
@qunow
Like how last month they published photo of homes of Taiwanese politicians
就像他们上个月还公开了台湾（地区）政客住宅的照片一样
@superknight333
Yes but wont US know someone is buying them? if it public already well
是啊，但美国难道不知道有人在买这些吗？如果都已经公开了，那就……
@JoJoeyJoJo
Everyones a fan of OSINT until it’s their shit on the timeline.
大家都爱玩开源情报，直到时间线上被曝光的是自家那点破事。 (注：OSINT：Open-Source Intelligence 开源情报/公开信息，下同)
@transplantpdxxx
OSINT people deserve worse. Hall monitor cosplay nonsense that gets innocents hurt
OSINT那帮人活该更惨。爱当“纪律委员”的cosplay式胡闹，害了无辜的人。
@Kraligor
How dare people use publicly available information to find out things our overlords don't want us to know!
居然有人敢用公开信息去挖那些“老爷们”不想让我们知道的事，真是胆大包天！
@transplantpdxxx
That’s 0% what I’m talking about. Another OSINT W
这完全不是我在说的。又一个 OSINT 的胜利。
@Kraligor
what are you talking about then lol
那你到底在说啥呢，lol
@transplantpdxxx
People without any qualifications have used their fake research to get people killed. You can play with the info but when you make uneducated posts, it has a body count. This isn’t hypothetical.
一些毫无资质的人用他们的伪研究害死了人。你可以随便玩弄信息，但当你发出不专业、没常识的帖子时，是真的会害出人命的。这不是假设。
@can-sar
You're talking to the cosplayers. That's why they don't get it.
你这是在跟一群角色扮演的家伙说话，难怪他们听不懂。
@ParkingBadger2130
Lol I just made a comment about that not a minute ago.
lol，我刚才不到一分钟前才评论过这个。
@OP
I know I was in that thread, decided to make a post when I saw this current example.
我知道，我当时就在那个帖子里，看到这个最新的例子后就决定发个帖。
@Spout__
Lol, lMao even
lol，笑死我了
@therustler42
It only makes sense doesnt it? If US is going to arm Taiwan to the teeth and covertly support the breakup of China (East Turkmenistan, Tibet), the very least China could do is throw Iran a few scraps.
这不是很合理吗？既然美国要把台湾（地区）武装到牙齿，还暗中支持分裂中国（东TU、*Z），那中国至少也该给伊朗扔点边角料。
@ExpensiveBookkeeper3
I don’t think we are arming Taiwan to the teeth? We don’t even let them have F35s which are 2 decades old and China already hacked the details…
我不觉得我们是在把台湾（地区）武装到牙齿。我们甚至都没让他们拿到F-35，这飞机都服役二十年了，而且中国早就把相关资料黑到手了……
@MELONPANNNNN
The US is barely even helping its allies. All those "military aid" still has to be paid, they arent free and theyre certainly not cheap.
美国几乎都没怎么帮它的盟友。那些所谓的“军事援助”还是要花钱买的，并不是免费的，而且一点也不便宜。
@ParkingBadger2130
If US is going to arm Taiwan to the teeth
We really arnt.... You could argue that the US is barley even arming itself to fight China... if what you asserting were true, they would have Burkes, F-35's, Bradley's, way more Patriots and THAAD etc. But no, they get bread crumbs... Just beacsue it costs a lot doesnt mean its good or performative. Idk maybe what you think "Arming to the TEETH" is different but it certainly is pretty mild imo. They drastically need cruise missiles, TEL, and Air Defense at LEAST. No hand me down Abrams and M113's.
Anduril sold like what? ~300ish Lancet drones for $300mil(?) That puts the price tag for 1mil a pop for a KAMIKAZE DRONE. We are just high way robbing them but it looks all fancy so its fine hehe.
如果美国真要把台湾（地区）武装到牙齿的话……
其实根本没有。你甚至可以说，美国连为和中国作战把自己武装好都谈不上。要是真像你说的那样，台湾（地区）现在应该已经有伯克级驱逐舰、F‑35、布雷德利步战车，还有更多的“爱国者”和“萨德”系统了。
但现实是没有，他们拿到的基本都是些“面包屑”。贵不代表就好，也不代表战斗力强。
我不知道你心里“武装到牙齿”是个什么标准，但在我看来现在这点装备相当温和。
他们至少迫切需要巡航导弹、机动发射车（TEL）和防空系统，而不是二手的艾布拉姆斯坦克和 M113。
还有 Anduril（注：美国国防科技公司），卖了大概三百架左右的“柳叶刀”式无人机，就要 3 亿美元？
算下来一架自杀式无人机要 100 万美元。我们这简直就是公路抢劫，只不过包装得很高大上，所以大家就觉得“还行”了，呵呵。
@S_T_P
. if what you asserting were true, they would have Burkes, F-35's, Bradley's, way more Patriots and THAAD etc.
You are assuming there is enough to share.
如果你说的是真的，他们早就会部署伯克级、F-35、布雷德利战车，还有更多的“爱国者”和“萨德”等等了。
你这是在假设他们手里有足够的东西可以分出来。
@jellobowlshifter
Being unable to do so doesn't change that it isn't happening.
做不到也改变不了这件事根本没发生的事实。
@S_T_P
The point was that US is openly supporting one side in conflict it isn't directly involved in.
重点是，美国在一个自己并未直接卷入的冲突中，公开站队支持一方。
@DisastrousAnswer9920
Taiwan is the most democratic country in Asia, by far, I'm ok if we support that.
Iran on the other hand.
台湾（地区）无疑是亚洲最民主的国家，（民主程度）远远领先，我们支持它就对了。
至于伊朗，那就另当别论了。
@nikkythegreat
This guy is just spitting out propaganda. It is never about being a democracy or the system of government it is about interests
这家伙就是在满嘴灌输宣传。事情从来不在于什么民主或政府体制，而是在于利益。
@pendelhaven
It's got nothing to do with that, it's all about the 2 big dudes fucking with each other.
这跟那没啥关系，说白了就是两个大佬在互相对着干。
@haggerton
Taiwan is [...] country
Even Western propaganda isn't this flippant with the truth.
台湾（地区）是一个[……]的G家
就连西方的宣传也没这么随意地歪曲事实。
@2in1day
I was going to argue that assertion but I can't think of a country in Asia that really is more democratic.
我本来想反驳这个说法，但想来想去，确实想不出亚洲还有哪个国家真的更民主。
@jerpear
DPRK. Has the equal most democratic in its name in Asia. More than non Democratic Republic of Korea.
朝鲜，名字里号称“民主”程度在亚洲并列最高，比那个“非民主”的韩国还要民主。
@S_T_P
I can't think of a country in Asia that really is more democratic.
38 years of uninterrupted martial law (a record that wasn't surpassed until 2000 by Brunei), with White Terror lasting until 1992. Nothing speaks democracy quite like two generations of psychotic anti-communist pogroms.
Note that democracy remains a priority even today. For example, recent Constitutional Court Procedure Act was a low-key attempt to abolish Constitutional Court.
我实在想不出亚洲还有哪个国家能比它更“民主”。
连续38年的戒严（这个纪录直到2000年才被文莱打破），白色恐怖一直持续到1992年。没有什么比持续两代人的反共清洗更能体现“民主”了。
而且要注意，直到今天，“民主”依然是优先事项。比如，最近的《宪法法院诉讼法》就是一次低调地试图废掉宪法法院的操作。
@DisastrousAnswer9920
That stuff ended in the 80's and they had a truly democratic election in 1996.
You still haven't mentioned who is more democratic, there are also NGO's doing researh on this.
https://freedomhouse.org/country/taiwan/freedom-world/2025
那种事在80年代就结束了，1996年他们还举行了真正的民主选举。
你还是没说清楚谁更民主，而且也有一些非政府组织在做这方面的研究。
https://freedomhouse.org/country/taiwan/freedom-world/2025
@S_T_P
Freedom House is a nonprofit organization based in Washington, D.C. ... Most of the organization's funding comes from the U.S. State Department[4] and other government grants.
自由之家是一家总部位于华盛顿特区的非营利组织……该组织的大部分资金来自美国国务院以及其他政府资助。
@DisastrousAnswer9920
You'll be hard pressed to find a source that can say that Taiwan is NOT a democracy.
https://www.ocac.gov.tw/OCAC/Eng/Pages/Detail.aspx?nodeid=329&pid=73118137
你找不到任何资料可以说台湾（地区）不是一个民主G家。
https://www.ocac.gov.tw/OCAC/Eng/Pages/Detail.aspx?nodeid=329&pid=73118137
@jellobowlshifter
Straw man. Nobody claimed they weren't at all, just that they weren't #1 by a mile like you claimed.
稻草人论证。没人说他们完全不是，只是说没你说的那样遥遥领先、稳居第一。
@DisastrousAnswer9920
They're #1 in Asia for sure, 1000%.
他们在亚洲绝对是第一没跑了，1000%肯定。
@jellobowlshifter
Based on things unrelated to democracy.
基于一些和民主无关的因素。
@nikkythegreat
Im from the Philippines and I find this insulting. Name one thing that makes them more democratic than us.
我来自菲律宾，我觉得这话很冒犯。说说看，他们哪一点比我们更民主？
@2in1day
But you haven't listed a country in Asia that's better...Israel?
但你还没列出一个在亚洲更厉害的国家啊……以色列？
@S_T_P
This isn't necessary when the intent is to point out that "Taiwan is the most democratic country in Asia, by far" isn't exactly indisputable claim.
Especially when I don't believe that there is some unanimously accepted "democracy" scale (or that Taiwan is being supported because it is at the top of it).
没这个必要，目的只是指出“台湾（地区）是亚洲最民主的G家，遥遥领先”并不是一个无可争议的说法。
尤其是我并不认为存在一个被普遍认可的“民主”评分标准（也不认为台湾（地区）是因为在这个榜单上名列前茅才得到支持）。
@2in1day
Ok who cares
好吧，谁在乎呢
@DisastrousAnswer9920
arguing with shills never pays off, so irritating lol.
跟水军吵架从来没好处，真是烦死了，lol。
@DisastrousAnswer9920
There isn't, South Korea and Japan are the only ones that would contest Taiwan, this sub is filled with shills for China. Human rights, LGBQT rights, the list is long for Taiwan's democracy.
并没有。会在台湾（地区）问题上较真的只有韩国和日本，这个版块里全是给中国洗地的水军。人权、LGBTQ 权利……台湾（地区）民主的优点一大堆。
@jellobowlshifter
This is a discussion of democraticness, not rights. Quit conflating them.
这是在讨论民主属性，不是权利。别把两者混为一谈。
@DisastrousAnswer9920
The 2 go hand in hand together, they are conflated.
这两者是相互关联的，经常被视为一体。
@jellobowlshifter
That is an obxtive falsehood.
那是明显的扯淡。
@jellobowlshifter
India? Israel? Asia is a pretty big place.
印度？以色列？亚洲可大了。
@jellobowlshifter
I wasn't saying either of those are for sure more democratic, just that the obviously undemocratic Thailand isn't the only comparison.
我不是说那两个国家肯定更民主，只是想说，明显不民主的泰国并不是唯一能拿来对比的对象。
@DisastrousAnswer9920
Are you confusing Thailand and taiwan?
2 separate countries. Thailand is a monarchy, Taiwan a thriving democracy.
你是不是把泰国和台湾（地区）搞混了？
这是两个不同的G家。泰国是君主制G家，台湾（地区）是一个发展良好的民主社会。
@jellobowlshifter
Are you drunk? Why would me contrasting Taiwan and Thailand as governmental opposites suggest that I can't tell the difference between them?
你喝醉了吗？我把台湾（地区）和泰国在政府体制上作对比，怎么就说明我分不清它们了？
@DisastrousAnswer9920
Nobody mentioned Thailand in this thread.
这个帖子里没人提到泰国。
@jellobowlshifter
It's a discussion of the relative democraticness of countries in Asia. Is Thailand not a country in Asia?
这是在讨论亚洲各国民主程度的高低。泰国难道不是亚洲国家吗？
@yeeeter1
One of the ways the us knew where Iran was attacking after the solemani strike was because they were buying satellite time
美国之所以能在苏莱曼尼被击杀后知道伊朗的打击位置，其中一个原因就是他们购买了卫星侦察使用时间。
@OP
Yeah, they were calling their shots, as a gesture.
是啊，他们这是在提前放话，算是一种姿态。
@yeeeter1
The copes that IRGC fans will invent never cease to amaze me
IRGC （注：伊斯兰革命卫队）粉丝们能编出的各种花式自我安慰，真是一次次把我看傻了。
@yeeeter1
I can't tell which part of the conversation this is related too
我看不出来这是在指哪一段。
@can-sar
One of the ways the us knew where Iran was attacking after the solemani strike was because they were buying satellite time
Mind sharing sources?
——“美国之所以能知道苏莱曼尼事件后伊朗从哪里发动攻击，其中一个原因是他们购买了卫星侦察使用时间。”
能分享一下消息来源吗？
@yeeeter1
“The report said that Iran purchased satellite images of the base on the day of the attack, and U.S. Central Command was aware of it. According to CBS News national security correspondent David Martin, USCENTCOM Commander Gen. Frank McKenzie timed the evacuation of al-Asad Air Base around Iran’s purchase of satellite imagery of the base.”
https://www.navytimes.com/intel-geoint/2021/03/01/report-iran-used-commercial-satellite-images-to-monitor-us-forces-before-attack/
报道称，伊朗在发动袭击当天购买了该基地的卫星图像，而美国中央司令部对此是知情的。
CBS新闻国家安全记者戴维·马丁表示，美中央司令部司令弗兰克·麦肯齐上将正是根据伊朗购买该基地卫星影像的时间，来安排对阿萨德空军基地的人员撤离。
@Childoftheway
Time to setup some decoys.
是时候布置些假目标了。
@Every_West_3890
Decoys made in the USA is still more expensive than the cheap shaped drone.
美国造的诱饵还是比那些廉价的拟态无人机更贵。
@D3ATHTRaps
But cheaper than losing a fighter jet. Nevermind the time to build one
但总比损失一架战斗机便宜。更别说造一架要多久了。
@Every_West_3890
True true
没错没错
@Low_Sir1549
The LEO satellites that take these pictures only get coverage once every few hours. The air defenses can just be shuffled after each pass.
这些拍照的近地轨道卫星每隔几个小时才能覆盖一次。防空系统完全可以在每次过境后换位置。
@OP
How do you know the Chinese don't have extras?
你怎么知道中国就没有备用的呢？
@Low_Sir1549
Extra what? Satellites? It wouldn’t change anything. Orbits are still orbits. A pass for a LEO satellite lasts about 5 mins max, and the useful part of that pass is around 2 mins. Afterwards, it can take several days before that same satellite is visible again. Even with a constellation as numerous as Starlix, it’s several hours between passes of different satellites in the same constellation.
额外的什么？卫星吗？这根本改变不了什么。轨道还是那些轨道。近地轨道卫星一次过境最多也就5分钟，真正有用的时间大概只有2分钟。
之后，同一颗卫星要过好几天才能再被看到。就算像星链那样数量庞大的星座，同一星座里不同卫星之间的过境间隔也要好几个小时。
@OP
They have satellites at all altitudes and orbits
他们在各个高度、各种轨道上都有卫星
@Low_Sir1549
Again, that’s not how orbits work. You could have thousands of spy sats (they don’t, the number of obxts in LEO is up on the Space Surveillance Network website and you can make API queries) and it would still be hours between individual passes. Secondly, higher orbits give you worse resolution, and aren’t suitable for spy sats. Every spy sat is in LEO, even the modern KH-13s.
又来一次，这根本不是轨道的运作方式。就算你有成千上万颗侦察卫星（实际上并没有，近地轨道的目标数量在太空监视网络网站上都能查到，还能用 API 查询），单颗卫星两次过境之间也还是要隔好几个小时。
其次，轨道越高分辨率越差，根本不适合做侦察卫星。所有侦察卫星都在近地轨道运行，包括现在的 KH‑13。
@OP
Yeah so they just have 15 minute coverage instead of live feed, who cares
也就是说他们只是每15分钟覆盖一次，不是实时画面，谁在乎啊
@Low_Sir1549
Why do you keep making things up? You get 2 minutes of coverage every few hours. It would be trivial to relocate the battery after each pass.
The point is, you’re overstating the value of the intelligence being posted.
你为什么老是编故事？你每隔几个小时也就只有两分钟的成像覆盖时间。完全可以在每次卫星过境后把防空系统转移走。
重点是，你把这些情报的价值夸大了。
@OP
Stop making things up then if you don't like other people making things up.
那你要是不喜欢别人胡编乱造，就先别自己胡编了。
@Low_Sir1549
I’m not. Unlike you, I’ve actually plotted the orbits of satellites before as I’ve worked on satellite surveillance. I also have a degree in physics and understand basic orbital mechanics. You’re welcome to take the TLE of known spy sats and figure out their pass durations. The U.S. Space Surveillance Network publishes the data openly, and you can grab the data from a site like N2YO. You can start with a spy sat like USA-338. If you actually know what you’re talking about, pass determination and orbit propagation from a TLE shouldn’t be difficult for you. Hell, there are websites that will determine the pass duration for you.
我不是。跟你不一样，我以前做过卫星监视工作，真画过卫星轨道。我还有物理学学位，懂基本的轨道力学。
你完全可以拿已知间谍卫星的 TLE 数据，自己算一算过境时长。美国的空间监视网络是公开发布这些数据的，你也可以去 N2YO 之类的网站获取。
可以先从 USA-338 这样的侦察卫星开始。如果你真懂自己在说什么，用 TLE 做过境判定和轨道推算对你来说不该有难度。
再说了，网上一堆网站都能直接算过境时间。
@OP
You counted every Chinese satellite?
你把所有中国的卫星都数了一遍吗？
@NatalieSoleil
To make it 100 % clear.... the Chinese regime is supporting the current regime - against the free will of the majority of the people of in Iran. So, the situation in the world will 2026 turn into a giant mess even further. We are walking into ' Guernica test ground momentum' like it is in Ukraine
说得再明白点……中国政权是在支持伊朗现政权，而不是伊朗大多数民众的真实意愿。
所以到 2026 年，世界局势只会变得更加一团糟。我们正一步步走向“格尔尼卡式的试验场”，就像现在的乌克兰一样。
@Equivalent-Claim-966
These photos are from some chinse company and are not gifts to the iranian regime, there is no evidence to suggest China is giving targeting data to Iran. They havent done so last time as far as i know, and theres nothing to suggest they will this time either.
这些照片来自一家中国公司，并不是送给伊朗政权的“礼物”。
没有任何证据表明中国在向伊朗提供打击目标数据。就我所知，上次也没有这么做，这次同样没有任何迹象显示他们会这么做。
@NatalieSoleil
not responding directly on shown pictures
没有直接针对展示出来的图片作出回应
@Vinylmaster3000
That's like telling the heroin addict to not go for the stash of heroin, like if Iran gets pictures of recently-deployed air defense systems then they'll use that data.
The entire point of a war is to use everything in your favor.
这就好比劝海洛因瘾君子别去找毒品一样。伊朗要是拿到了最近部署的防空系统的照片，肯定会拿来用。
战争的全部意义就在于把一切能用的东西都变成自己的优势。
@Perfect_Towel1880
the us supports the Qatar and Saudi Arabia and Egypt regime
美国支持卡塔尔、沙特和埃及的政权。
@haggerton
The free will of the majority of the people in the world is for Trump to croak. Guess that means we should support whomever wants to bomb the fuck out of the USA, amirite?
If anyone within Iran has a "free will" that calls for Iran to be bombed by the US, they are fucking morons and proof Iran does not have a smart enough voterbase for democracy.
全世界大多数人的“自由意志”就是希望特朗普赶紧死。那是不是意味着我们就该支持任何想把美国狠狠干一顿的人？对吧？
如果伊朗国内真有人“自由意志”是希望美国来轰炸伊朗，那他们就是彻头彻尾的傻逼，也只能证明伊朗的选民素质还没高到能实施民主。
@nikkythegreat
What in the CIA and Mossad paid shit are you yapping about? If the USA did not support regime change in like a dozen countries we would be living in a world that is a lot safer.
你在胡扯什么被 CIA 和摩萨德收买的狗屁？要不是美国在十几个国家支持搞政权更迭，这个世界现在会安全得多。
@ConstantStatistician
Satellites are the first things that need to go in a war.
战争一开打，卫星就是最先被干掉的。
